Hilmar Kleinschrot How about the BMW i3? Are those popular in Germany?

James Mohler ... Not really ... the car itself looks to strange 😜 And at the same time very expensive 💵

@@jamesparson THE i3 IS A TROLL CAR, NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

@@jamesparson the i3 gets like 80 miles of range while the Model 3 gets 315 for a similar price point.

No other manufacturers come close to Tesla's seven year old modle.

RIGHT? NO SWOOPS OR CREASES OR FAKE GRILLES THAT WILL QUICKLY DATE TODAY'S CARS.

And still does. As of now .

i just bought one in February - a 2014 P85+ - same color and rims as the one here. i'm loving it!

still true in 2023

The hyundai elantra

front end conversion and headlight refresh and it would look like a 2019 model s

The software looks super dated but other than that it looks modern.

People still turn heads after my 2013 P85 even in a country where everyones got em :D Still a great car, great to drive, fast af and good looking. Couldnt ask for more!

alternatively, tesla designs their cars all the same so it's either always modern looking or always looking dated and in perpetual stasis.

It’s pretty much the same lol. The angles of the headlights actually look better on this model in my opinion

+798unionpipeliner Yeah why don't they just give us the car for free?

+Emil Johnsen i just wish it was more affordable!! crosing my fingers for the incoming model 3!!!

+john dillenger Same. Let's hope that they make the Model 3 as sexy as the Model S, even at a lower price point.

+James Bong..?

+Dark Matter The 80% available power for consumption is already factored in to the maximum range, you're doing it twice.

Instagram @NoGripE90 and you'll hear the quietest gas burnout

+jdac22 Or not heard.

Thomas Christopher White That too...LOL

It's "quietest," as in conjugation.

The excitement is addictive but remember you are putting a lot of stress on the battery pack so cool it and drive it normally and reward your wallet instead!

i was going to say that. i saw the pictures and early reviews and didnt think it to be anything more than average semi-luxury sedan (strictly visually) but i saw one for the first time on the streets a few months ago and it was absolutely beautiful

i agree. THe pictures don't do this car any justice. In real life, its like really really beautiful

Yeah, pictures doesn't do it justice. It looks really well made. Fit and finish is incredible. Granted it is a $100k+ vehicle, but you really see it. Made in the USA. More American at this point than GM/Ford/Chrysler, etc.

Zepper2019 Now starts at $70k :) and model 3 at 39k

Bet you see a lot of them now

srinitaaigaura - both the P100D the S and the X.

He should try the new model S performence 2020 raven with the lunch contorel

He should try the plaid model lol

@@FranklinSpicer he did

No he should try the Plaid

HE'S ADORABLE.

Vikas V he is very cute I must admit

+Nice and easy Koenigsegg

+The nextinline thats not exactly a practical car Tesla has the potential of becoming a big brand like Toyota or ford Koenigsegg does not

doesnt matter though... Koenigsegg is still a success story by all standards

I wouldn't call someone or their company a success when they needed multiple taxpayer funded subsidies to stay in business.

did you magically forget about auto industry bailout just few years ago? 10$ billions were never recouped. hows that for subsidies

Oh the naivety. I really wish you were right. In reality what's more likely to happen is people get cosy again paying slightly cheaper gas prices, companies like Tesla go bust because the demand for high price, low range cars trough. In a year or two (after OPEC stops being used as a economic weapon) the oil industry will be back to fucking us in the ass again. At that point electric cars will be back benched again for another decade or more as no one will risk investment. Also, We are not going to "finally beat the big oil system". unfortunately the US economy is intrinsically linked to the oil market, and a failed oil market means a failed economy. non the less, I really want Tesla to succeed as its genuinely a great car.

Dennis Richards Well, that's exactly why we need to keep it first and foremost in the public consciousness that "Efficiency Makes Energy Cheaper." That needs to be on a thousand billboards all across the country. As long as people get that through their heads and keep it there, we stand a chance. But you may be right. Probably. I disagree, though. We need to eventually face the fact that an ever-expanding economy isn't necessarily a good thing. We should be shrinking and concentrating our economy, focusing on buying longer-lasting, higher-quality goods instead of loads of cheap crap. China will always win that game.

Dennis Richards I have to agree with you. Invention and change come from need. Cheap oil will only serve the status quo.

Richard Rowe "Efficiency Makes Energy Cheaper." If we reduce our energy usage, we've got two possible outcomes. They accept that people are using less and pass that loss on to share holders or (more likely) they will keep raising the price to recoup any losses and make more money. "ever-expanding economy isn't necessarily a good thing" I agree its not a good think But it is a necessity using the current economic system unfortunately. Even a static economy is classed as a bad thing because we're all at war (in a financial sense). We are in a perpetual currency arm's race where the victor reward with a powerful exchange rate and defeated and develop a weak currency (it more complicated than that but that's the general trend) standingwave73 I agree keeping the pressure is definitely a driver for more efficient technology but it all comes down to money at the end of the day. In an ideal world they would keep oil prices high and use the profit to invest in science and technology rather than already wealthy shareholders in order to move beyond the oil dependant financial system, but our feudal monetary systems are easily corrupted hence the pan global problems we have today. I could imagine any first world country legislating away any disruptive technology that threaten the status quo. expect to see aggressive legislation against things like cheap home manufacturing (3d printers/CNC machines), home energy generation (hydro wind solar etc), automation, robotics (like drones), water storage and refinement (they say waters is tomorrows oil. . . happy days) free communication (Internet) and anything else that is hard to tax and/or control. most of these technology are already under fire before they get into the mainstream public market so the future doesn't look too bright . . . Come to think of it, I might just be a pessimist.

Low crude prices are by no way impacted by electric cars. ZERO. I've taken a number of graduate-level economic classes and we've discussed the many myths and reasons behind lower prices. I'm all about getting away from gas engines, but lower crude prices have nothing to do with electric vehicles. Theoretically, even if 20% of the USA switched to electric in the next 5 years (impossible), even that wouldn't change the oil market.

Tacos Mananeros Network there's a huge flaw in there. A backup tank of fossil fuel would ruin this car. You'd need an ICE, an exhaust system, a drive shaft and a gearbox. You'll add a lot of complexity, bulk and cost for what...

Tacos Mananeros Network Yes. Beautiful, don't you think? Small motor yet far more powerful than a 'traditional' ICE. And fast! Boy, this beast is fast!

Tacos Mananeros Network electric cars with backup gas usually end up ruining the car, it sits for a long time and goes bad and the moment that they need they need the backup the bad gas ruins the engine and its a very costly fix, more than a simple toe-truck if there isnt an outlet available. Plus a gasoline engine would make the car much more expensive. Also on average, the Tesla would cost less money a year to recharge than you would pay for gasoline. Drop you fossil fuel safety blanket, this car wont need it, who drives more than 300 miles a day anyway? not the average city commuter.

Mejevoli No hate here. The cost is FAR too high on the Teslas, however. And for now the range is a sticking point since the battery packs cannot be swapped out and if you run the car down to very little, a recharge even with the "Super-charge" station if quite a lot longer than stopping to refill a tank on an I.C.E. car. 40 minutes to get a full charge. So a quick 'pull-in-pull-out' is not possible. Will they overcome this? Who can say. I sure hope so. I would like to see us move off of fossil fuel.

ganzano More like 20 minutes to charge it at a super charge station. We have one in the next town over, I see it pretty frequently and I never see a Telsa there for even a half hour before they drive off. With that twenty minutes or so, you could go to the bathroom, get some water, and relax a bit before you get back on the road, because I dont see someone going over 300 miles a day just driving around town so the super charge station is very useful if your on a road trip or something, which is nice because it forces drivers to take breaks

Let's not forget,all electric cars are fossil fuel burning cars. The fossil fuels are just burned somewhere else, not in the car. In the US, electricity is generated as follows: Coal 45%, Natural Gas 24%. Coal and natural gas are fossil fuels. Next in line, nuclear generates 20% of the electricity and has it's own issues with the generation of toxic waste. Then, there is the issue of managing the highly toxic batteries for these vehicles as they move through their life cycle. Environmentally friendly? No. They just shift and cloak the environmental effects so they are less visible on a day to day basis. I'd need to see a "cradle to grave" analysis of energy usage and environmental effects before I could say if these vehicles have a smaller impact on the environment than traditional vehicles. I'm guessing they do not.

Darin Pearson I drive an electric vehicle and I see it more as an extended arm ready to shake hands. It says to energy producers "I'm ready, are you?". Besides, I think there's reason to believe electric cars are more environmentally friendly. Fossil fuel motors have maximum energy-efficiency around 40%. Usually you get 30%. Electric motors easily score over 80% of the battery energy converted to kinetic energy. Which I think means that even if all of the energy that electric vehicles use came from dirty sources there'd still be less of an environmental impact than there is today. And when you take into account that part of it comes from renewable energy it's already starting to look much more friendly.

All good points Hannu. The point I'm trying to make is, there are a lot of unanswered questions regarding the aggregate environmental impact on a "cradle to grave" basis which, after all, is the only metric that matters. For example, hypothetically, if an electric car takes 1.5 times the resources to build and dispose of at the end of its life cycle than an equivalent combustion based vehicle, then the resource savings during the e-car's life cycle needs to exceed that extra 0.5 or else one could argue that the e-car is less "environmentally friendly" than the traditional vehicle because it consumes more resources. I realize my example is overly-simplistic and not based on actual data but I am simply trying to point out that, unless we actually know the type and total of the resources consumed over the life cycle of each vehicle, we are only assuming that the e-car is more "environmentally friendly". I would like more information about this but I haven't been able to find it. It's good that there are people like you thinking about these types of issues and willing to offer well reasoned responses to my postulations. Perhaps this will eventually lead to more and better information so we can each make better decisions.

Darin Pearson I totally agree with you. Though I really like electric cars and reallyreallyreally want to own one, anybody who says that e-cars are 100% green doesn't think ahead...or backwards, as you mentioned (actually doesn't think at all) A plus for the electric vehicle would be that an internal combustion engine uses only 30% of its energy to make the car go. An electric motor is way more efficient than that, its at around 90/95% efficiency, but thats again not the whole process. Yes, I also would prefer to have numbers that are really honest and are telling the truth and not just showing the tip of the iceberg but there were companies that have calculated the overall CO2 emission for 100km/60miles. AMG for example said (Chris Harris testing the SLS AMG Electric) that the SLS E would produce something like 20g CO2/km and the fossil version would produce about 300g of CO2 (can't remember the numbers correctly, but something about 1/10 I think) Concerning the energy source (nuclear, cole, solar, wind etc...), the average usage etc... therefore driving electric would still make you more efficient...well the mobility. but as you said, I also havent seen one calculation of the whole process of energy production so its still a complicated. When we take for example the i3, and look at the process of the production of the car we notice that almost only BMW and Tesla have developed a process that actually makes a car greener from the very first screw up to the finished product. BMW has invested something about 3 billion euros to achieve this goal (I will say greener not green. green is pretty relative to what you would expect the world should be like. technology doesn't really allow 100% emission free traffic, but since we are at ...I don't know how efficient a cole plant is, surely not 100%/90%...and maybe not even 80%. and then all the other parts of the process where energy is wasted up to the car where we are at 30% which is pretty bad. so greener than that should easily be possible, but to think that we can achieve 90% the first time we try is a little bit over the tops. anyway, "green" isn't something you can put your finger on. what? greener than now? greener than china? greener than germany? greener than solar panels? ) this car, even if it would produce (looking at the whole process) as much CO2 as other cars, it would still be greener because its production process is environmentally friendly. more friendly than any other car that is produced, in china or where ever it is. If you have a look at VW, they only rip out the engine of the car and put some electricity inside...thats not how we should be doing it, they just don't want to invest to much money, but I say they will lose the game if they wait much longer because they won't have the time to catch up concerning technological know how. Then we have tesla and they are producing in the US which is pretty great so they don't have to fly every part of the car around the world, than in the end it wouldn't matter if it was emission free. Right now they are building a huge batterie factory in the US so they can make their 4th car in mind, the tesla something something (not talking about the Model X, the car after that) They say it will cost less (a lot less) and is aimed at the middle-class, so that more people will be able to buy a decent set of wheels that is probably green. then you mentioned the battery and its production/waste. thats the biggest problem right now. The thing is all cars need batteries, not just electric cars. Obivously its not as big as the one in e cars, but its still a battery that is producing waste. So I know that I don't have all the numbers (or hardly any number) and I don't know how the entire process works and where the pros and cons are but if the energy I'm using primarily comes from regenerative energy sources my e-car (lets take the i3) should probably be greener than most other cars.

Darin Pearson You're right to mention the electricity sources aren't green yet.. but to me I think it just proves we need to improve the way to produce more eco-friendly electricity. Not only for cars, but also for the increase of electric products (tvs, computers, smartphones, tablets, etc...). We should get to a point to only have no more than 20% of electricity produced from fossil. Between Solar, Winds, Water, and Geothermal, there's a lot of way to produce greener electricity. It's not impossible at all, it's just not done yet and will be done sooner or later. And then, the electric cars and bikes would make even way more sense. One another thing that needs to be solved, as mentioned above, is the batteries waste. So we can't say yet it's "perfectly green", but at least, it moves in the right direction.

I'm sure he'll review the Model 3, in like 5 years when it finally ships lol

iHitchiti I think they would make an exception for Jay

They should do a review of the Chevy Volt since Jay drives one

danwat1234 I think he has

Agreed. Or a review of the Model X

you can now drive it from LA to NY to Miami. More Supercharging stations are coming on line in the next 2 years.

thooke222 the newest model s has the fastest 0-60 of any super car out now

+Obyvvatel 20 years and 20 times the power

It's 25000 USD to replace the battery when it's old. Who wants to pay that much on repairing a 10 year old car??

Marauder252 With the advent of lithium sulfur it would likely only cost around 3k.

Even IF it costs that much to replace this battery now(questioning the price you gave) It definitely won't cost that much in 10 years to replace a bunch of 18650 batteries. I mean I use 18650 batteries in my flashlight and my vaporizer and they are only about 7 bucks a piece.

HeavyMetal The actual number for the full price of the 90kwh hour battery is 50k. Or 50,000 USD about half the price of the car. The issue is the batteries use rare materials, that and they lack energy density. But what you said is very true with newer batteries the cost can fall dramatically.

Yes those cars are absolute beasts! I cant believe they generated 1000+ft/lbs or torque!

And jeremy's P45

+Lajcsi Vagyok thats funny also cause the name on the care display is also jeremy

+Demon50 over 1000ft-lb torque ? Where did you read that? www.Teslamotors.com claims 713 ft-lb torque on the P90D

+Ray Walker The engine maximum(without software impediments) that doesn't make the car fly is ~1000. The real maximum is Infinite.

WackoKillerDan or autopilot

+Pepe Autopilot wasn't "invented" yet

The torque is real and immediate but your behavior is being recorded for the various dot state agencies so you can determine your fate by the driving style

AND the safest car on the road !

Then why doesn't the Tesla sell enough to be profitable? Tesla is just an exercise in liberalism--it will be finished (failed) soon.

jmshaw357 They are selling, there are more than 25,000 Tesla Model-S cars on the road, exceeding their target figure. Why do you hate American ingenuity and entrepreneurship? People working hard to deliver a superior product to make it rich, employing thousands along the way. A car which does not pollute the air, does not contribute to America's dependency on middle eastern oil and delivers on everything a car should do in terms of performance and aesthetics while being made in the USA. Whats not to like?.

jmshaw357 i dont think you understand this company is very new and will i repeat will be a huge success your gas cars are failed and always have been they are complete garbage every single one i love too see all gas cars dumped into a shredder

MY "gas" cars are a failure?? You're an idiot. Look around you, fool--ICE cars are used daily by billions of people. That's hardly a failure. You are a worthless dope.

yes they are a failure just look at the planet full of smog and pollution

The247th - I call Chevy VOLT a trash car.

The first rule of car sales is that test-drives sell cars, and that's never been more true than it is with Tesla. If you drive one, prepare to be impressed.

***** actually the first automobile was powered by steam ;) inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarssteama.htm

Thats what i thought...steam

+T1000AX hahahah!

+T1000AX Challenge accepted.

😂 haha

Activate Bioweapon defense mode.

dudududu. Ahh. Others: what was that. Nothing...

GO TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND DO A SEARCH...HE ALREADY DID.

That wouldn't be exciting though. 88 mph would be reached in just a few seconds!

Eloderung haha!

Eloderung yeah, rather then the like 15 seconds it took marty, it would only take like 5 or 6 seconds in this, especially in the P85D

Eloderung , in about 5-6 seconds flat

***** and it would never not work!

Your statement was true until the Tesla electric car hit the road. My dream car is the Tesla but it is too expensive now; I dream of no other car in the entire planet. The price of Electric cars will come down where a big market will gladly invest in them, as well as improving battery technology and range. You wait and see, the ultra conservative dinosaurs are now fighting renewable technologies and trying to bash electric cars in the States, but the new technologies like Tesla will leave them in the dust by pure economics. Many Americans like myself can't afford a Tesla, yet, but we really cheer them on for a better future. Tesla battery technology will give us the energy storage to make American homes independent with renewable but intermittent solar and wind energy harvesting too, so we can buy sell and store electric power on a smart grid network, a power internet, instead of receiving electric power from an old utility with old power plants and be at their mercy. A lot of us do realize what you fear we don't, the time is closer than you think and it will come for us 21th century thinking Americans.

americans are too slow to realize that we could be the forefront of something. and we would probably waste even more time making an unnecessary political conflict over it. and by the time we realize we have something good, it is when other countries are already marketing it in our faces.

Amen to that, my friend. (no religions hurt here!)

rpf276 I heard they are designing a Tesla that will cost around 30 grand or so in a few years. Don't worry, you may have your Tesla yet!

But when there is no choice because you petrolhead have burnt it all trying to impress folk; then what happens?

Jose Ledesma ME

Crazy how much better the plaid is now for $40k less!

Rob W the futur will be very boring and an Electronic car isnt the future for me but hydrogene you can power a v8 with it

@@tobiaszistler Nothing says boring like 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds amarite

im with you, id much rather buy the fastest sedan in the world than a fast but noisy sedan

+Srečko Lavrič Tesla Model 3, being revealed on the 31st of March. Its at 8:30 pm PST on tesla's website. Starting price of the model 3 will be $35,000 before tax credits... however the tax credit stops when tesla produces its 200,000th car. Hope this helped.

+Kurt Foster Thanks for your info. It's very interesting price, to say the least... Unfortunately (in this case) I'm from the EU - Slovenia so I guess it doesn't apply to me. Thank you again and - I will have it one time :)

I’ll take a e92 m3

Srečko Lavrič

+Maarten van Rossem Lezingen Fronk

+Dave M "frunk" :)

xxcrysiscgx _ Same

#SubaruWave - I too drive a WRX but once I'm finished with my house I am going to try and work on obtaining one of these. Which is not that far away.

TheAegisClaw Would have been awesome! But he was probably busy, as always. CEO of both Tesla AND SpaceX, plus still involved with Solar City... he must be working 100 hour weeks, I don't know how he does it.

TheAegisClaw Elon too busy in North Korea with Schmidt

Jay Leno could've went to him.

Yes that would be cool. I want an import fart can sound..

It is possible with aftermarket fittings

This fake engine sound will sound really FAKE and pathetic on interior speakers (silent electric motor whine is much more cool than fake motor sounds in some bmw - compare it). You will need whole extremely complicated subwoofer system located in exhaust pipe dummy to really mimic the experience, i think. And this will waste a lot of energy (yes, loud and nice exhaust means a huge loss of energy), cost a lot and complicate the whole construction. And it will somewhow send a message like ,,Electric cars are not true cars, thus they must imitate classic cars, etc"....

njdevil281 german cars have are more quality with better quality materials not like the hard plastic in FORD.

Harris Anwar But German cars cost more to buy and a lot more to run than domestic brands. You pays your money and you takes your choice!

but american car are not reliable AT ALL my dad used to drive a ford then one month later it had a oil leak and many more problems but now since we buy japeneze cars we had no problems and we know german car are even better but like you are saying german cars are pretty expensive unless its volkswagen

Yeah RENTS not buys if he buys it it will break in a month or 2

Alex Rodrigues If we charged what Germans charge.. we'd have better quality.. my VW Jetta doesn't stand up to your "quality" standard..

Tesla is working on delivering that with Project Bluestar.

Just wait a few years and get it used :)

eno

They are currently making 1 or maybe 2 gigafactories for battery manufacturing to bring the price down to around $35000 to $40000 for their gen 3 car the TESLA model E

they are currently working on that, then let's buy. yahoo!

Jonathan Collison why?!

whats the use??? electricity is still produced with fossil fuels!

If you use a home gasoline generator, it's about twice as efficient as an engine in a car. Roughly. So, this car, if gasoline, would get, what? 20-24 mpg? If you charged it with a home gasoline generator, it would get about 40-50 mpg. Again, that's the rough idea. It's the same reason a Prius gets better gas mileage, but this thing isn't lugging around the gas tank and engine. But a big utility grade electric generator is much more efficient than a home generator. So the point is, less fossil fuel per mile with the potential for zero fossil fuel.

Well Tesla model 3 will be out soon at 35000$ so yaaay!! I can't wait. I'm scratching my head and thinking why none of the big auto makers haven't done this yet. Tesla did it with 0.000001% of the big car companies budget. There is not really any excuse. If they don't act fast company's like Tesla will start to take over. It's silly that we still use fossil fuel.

+sasajungic89 Right! Stupidity, hope there will come more cars like that

If you have solar panels at home or use wind turbines, you basically have free "gas" for your Tesla.

BashMonkeyRC - see Tesla Roadster 2020.

Nah that's Toyota

+Donald E. “Don” Riley Wouldn't that be a potentiometer since a switch would just be full on or off?

Wouldn`t it be a hoot for Jay to say "Stepping on the potentiometer"!

Old fashioned terms like that are used for plenty of new things that don't match the word.

+Donald E. “Don” Riley accelerator

+Donald E. “Don” Riley throttle

C'mon Ted, you can extract electricity from potatoes if you really wanted to. Let's not kid ourselves, electricity can be generated from multiple sources. The point I'm getting at is that the post production or post contribution to the environment is minimal. I would safely kneel behind an EV and breath in its zero emissions, but i wouldn't wish anyone to kneel behind a gasoline car and breath in the emissions it produces. Again let me stress that I'm a fan of all automobiles so this is definitely a non-biased opinion.

@Ted D Mielke yeh 100 years after tesla discovered zero point energy. in which there is enough energy in a coffee cup to boil away the worlds oceans, and were driving round on a ½ton slab of batteries. c'mon people, the first electric car was , what? 1876 or thereabouts, this is alredy archaic.

Deante Haney I think it's funny to say "I got to fill my car with decomposed dinosaur poop"