Zophix - no it allows them to see crowds to aim for, there is not "potential collision", it's gonna happen.

Clearly they still hit the crowds so.......

Only the lamest of the lame would make such a comment. Learn to be original.

Yeah true I love to see the fear in the eyes of the Camaro drivers in driving into lots of fun lol

Lol

after 3 years was it worth it?

Thinking about to get 16 one.....to me Camaro interior looks so much better.

@@birdyos6303 bought it 3 years ago. worth it.

Totally worth it , all around amazing car. Drives like a super car .

Stick or automatic

Well said.

FYI: The Track Performance pack on the Mustang will compare and compete with the upcoming 2017 Camaro with the 1LE package: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7KAqdtylpmVpGQ.html

+The Fast Lane Car Chevy claims their cars always have the track pack with all the coolers and big brakes they threw on the car stock. thats why the dang base price is 37 to 38k with no options vs 32 for the mustang.

You can't get around the fact that the Camaro is a lighter better sports chassis. I hate the interior but there is no denying its a pretty solid sports car with this generation.

the camaro has no track package either the mustang just got killed .I think the regular ss not 1le still beats the mustang track package .

+The Fast Lane Car the regular ss still beats the mustang pp.

@RcLoko agreed lol, just being sarcastic

Mile above sea level, each car is a second faster at sea level

You are right my friend ! But I think the mustang still looks better n sounds better 😎🤙

@@tacticalbt1023 Looks-wise The mustang is for people who wish the ford fusion was a coupe

TheAow4321 well it sure must look n drive good to out sale the Camaro n never have been out of production but yea whatever ya say brother 🤔

TheAow4321 the Camaro is about to go out of production I’ve been hearing they will never sale as good as charger challenger or mustangs those look great n sound much better then any Camaro...

@@tacticalbt1023 Bigger trunk, better visibility, lower entry price. Doesn't make it a better car, it is a better value though. The Camaro is for people who want the best most aggressive platform. Most people like yourself require a softer car as a daily driver, the mustang is softer and easier to live with than the camaro. While the camaro eats it alive on the track.

Soo..... you're gay?

Check out the 2018 now, pretty sure you’ll go back

Barry Broman I think Ford needs to change this mustangs price and the interior/ gauges the 60’s look is so f ugly.

The 2018 was a good year for ford, but not good enough to get me back😂

That statement is true even if you do the RS vs the EcoBoost

exactly

I can see out of it because I am not a wide old man.

Yeah, but its really not a problem. You can see out of it fine if you learn to drive it and use your mirrors.

A modern road car shouldn't require you to "learn to drive it". And whether or not you get used to it or not, I still consider it to be a safety hazard.

Nighthawk2112 Every car is different and requires a hour or two to get used to it, same with the Camaro. Its not a safety hazard, I own a Camaro and its totally fine if you are a competent driver and know how to move your eyes to look at the mirrors. The only safety hazard with this car are bad drivers.

***** LOL. True!!!! but they did put down a faster time.

***** LOL. okay bro. must drive a mustang. Hit any crowds lately? Jk.LOL.

I sat in a Camaro and thought the visibility was terrible until I adjusted the seat height. Your eye level has a very small sweet spot in the camaro and you have to raise or lower the seat to get there.

Jeff K What year was it? I heard it's a lot better on the 2016 model. But Never sat it one myself, Only sat in 2013 or 2014.

***** LOL. I actually don't drive any sort of muscle car. But I'm sure the mullet could be said for both mustangs and camaros. LOL.

+CareerFireman better daily driver? Because it has bigger windows? What a joke. That logic the Nissan Cube should make car of the year. Camaro out performs the mustang in every way. Hey can go buy a mustang, that's fine. It's a great car. But to not admit the Camaro is the better car is a joke.

+Jay Breeze Dude you can barely see out of the Camaro. And like they said it's not comfortable for a lot of people too .

***** Oh I watched the vid. I also watched previous vids where he mentioned he has owned and has a soft spot for Mustangs. You should go watch those vids and come back with some perspective.

+Maxwell Schlotter I have one.. Yea, it's like anything else. After 20 minutes of driving you don't even think about it. It's a non issue. I don't understand when people complain about it.

Everybody has a favorite. It's human nature. If you don't have a favorite car (for whatever reason) you're not a car fanatic and have no business making or watching videos like these.

i thought the same thing. Both interiors are nice. I have the s550 mustang i should know

romanatwood

they look cheap compared to euro cars which is probably what that dude drives all the time

i agree. you cant go wrong with either car when it comes to interior its up to what you like more. Both have something nice to offer its just up to the likes of the buyer

Although The Mustang Is The Calif. Special, It's Only the GT. The "GT" Is a Mid-Range Trim; In The Mustang's Trim Line-Up. Compared Camaro SS's Which is The Top Trim Level For The Vehicle, To Be 100% Fair The GT350R Is Fords Top Trim. So In A Way Its Kind Of Embarrassing That The Mid-Range Mustang Can Come Within 0.4 Sec. In 0-60 and 3.8 - 4.2 In Lap Time(s) To A Trimmed Out, Top-Of-The-Line Camaro SS. Also, The Camaro Looks Like A Toyota Corolla/Camry In The Front I'm Not Being Butt-hurt, Im Just Stating The Obvious Here

I've owned a 5th gen for 5 years and I hate the visibility and I actually want to get rid of my Camaro. I love Chevy. I love cars in general. Just wasn't for me.

+Austin Wilson the Z28 is the top level trim for the Camaro you moron , before that is the ZL1 that isn't even on floors yet just like the gt350 wasn't at first. Ford fanboys I swear.

***** Well Its Sad When Your Saying Im Incorrect, But In Reality Im Not. If You go to "www.chevrolet.com/" then "Vehicles", "Performance" , "Camaro" , "Build & Price" then choose a body style and look! its says "1LT, 2LT, 1SS, 2SS" So Either Your Wrong, Chevrolet Refuse to advertise The Z28, even if it isn't available for sale there should be AD's out the ass for the Z28, Or Their Website Is So Bad That It Doesn't Include All Trim Models. So Since Im Not A Chevy Fan Boy Maybe The Other Trims Will Magically Appear When You Look. Chevy fanboys I swear, They aren't even aware of their website Offers.

+Austin Wilson I'm just wondering why every word you type starts with a capital letter...

We test them as they come from the manufacturer. BTW, Roman chose the Mustang GT.

9000 Miles on an all season tire vs 500 miles makes a difference. Those High Performance All Seasons only last about 20-25k miles. So they were already half used. That isn't from the manufacturer like that. Just a point. 15:01

Yes, they just did. They broke the first and most important rule of any comparison, without any particular reason.If they want the Camaro to win, they can also put flat winter tires and expired gas into the Mustang, to cripple it down even more.

Why didn't you get the Performance pack GT?? I'm curious to see a Performance pack, vs a non-performance pack GT around a track. And I realize you drive them "as is".........but you could at least mention "the Camaro does have stickier tires."

Off set not staggered which has to do with rim size not something they can fix unless they go after market which wouldn't be fare. Yes maybe they could have used summer tires on both, but expecting them to switch out the rims is unreachable given this was a test between versions that regular people would buy not track nuts.

to be honest your right

Well to be fair, Motor Trend is a much bigger company with their own magazine and dozens of staff.

I'm honored to be considered in the comparison, we shoot these in a few hours total including the studio and I only drive 3 laps in each car because we are little guys and don't have budget to replace tires etc.. As we grow we can continually improve what we do, thanks for watching :)

they're huge compared to tfl

Ya

wider/stickier tires and lowering really help the Mustang. props to the Camaro though. I just came to this old video to see what made them rate the Mustang at about the same as an FRS. Seems a bit off.

Unfair. The Camaro didnt have the track package and that would be the 1LE.

i own a 2010 camaro and fell in love with the new mustangs when they came out,but your right! that new camaro is a beauty

I own a mustang and will admit that I'm a little jelly that the camero is miles better performance wise than the mustang. it's a beast of a car.

Yeah but it takes Chevy to use 1.2l more and the corvette engine to compete. None the less it's faster but with some bolt on's on the mustang it should be able to keep up. I love the sound though but not a huge fan of Chevy interiors. For example the gauges on the corvette look so bland.

Mike it's true that the camero takes parts and pieces from its older sisters but it's still a sick car. As for the interior of the camero the only thing that bothers me is how the screen is slanted down wards. That being said I still wouldn't trade my mustang for a camero.

Dont forget it takes Ford a wider block, 32 Valves and 4 cams. while chevys uses half. Plz do some research at least before talking a 4cyl driver.

Both great cars-, the camaro was shit for the longest time and stepped it up to. Match the new Mustang It's subjective but the stang has nicer interior the camaro improved alot

I agree 100%. I'm 5'7" & have NO problem seeing out of it. I had a 2015 5.0 with ford Racing suspension, exhaust, tuning, CAI & it made 405 HP to the wheels here in Albuquerque which is a mile above sea level. Now I have a 2016 Camaro SS & it made 395 to the wheels STOCK up here. The Mustang with the Ford Racing suspension handled just as well as the Camaro, but with a much more harsh ride. I love'em both though...

Treed

I drive my father in laws camaro sometimes and I too have trouble getting the seat adjusted. its either too low for me to see out of the vehicle well, or when i move it up, my hair is brushing the liner. im 6ft even

nice

Same here

Yeah.. sucks Transformers...

Although The Mustang Is The Calif. Special, It's Only the GT. The "GT" Is a Mid-Range Trim; In The Mustang's Trim Line-Up. Compared Camaro SS's Which is The Top Trim Level For The Vehicle, To Be 100% Fair The GT350R Is Fords Top Trim. So In A Way Its Kind Of Embarrassing That The Mid-Range Mustang Can Come Within 0.4 Sec. In 0-60 and 3.8 - 4.2 In Lap Time(s) To A Trimmed Out, Top-Of-The-Line Camaro SS. I'm Not Being Butt-hurt, Im Just Stating The Obvious Here

+Austin Wilson I'm confused! I thought the gt and ss we're on the same level because they both introduce the base V8?

RotaryPerfection The 1SS From Camaro Is The First Trim level That Offers A V8; The Base GT Offers A V8. Which If Your Talking Cylinders This Is Fair, BUT The Issue Lies In You Comparing A Top Trim Level Camaro With A Mid-Range Trimmed Mustang. Let Me Break Down This Confusing Mess: A Good Example Is This. In This Example, The Camaro Will Be Alfa Romeo, And The Mustang Will Be A 2008 Ford Fusion SEL. Not Fair Right? But Since Both Have A V6 They Are Compared To Each-other Like They're Similar When They're Not. So A True Comparison Would Be The 2SS And A GT350R

+Austin Wilson Trim is one thing however, they are on the same levels based on engine choice options. This was a performance test so most magazines match engine per engine. If a particular suspension package gives one car an advantage over another, magazines try to also match the suspension trim to keep things even. Both last gen cars where matched GT to SS because of the available base engines. The boss was matched to the LT1 because both had the optional upgraded engines. Just because the LT1 isn't available yet doesn't mean the SS has to compare to the Gt350 as that car is Fords second / more powerfull V8 option.

RotaryPerfection The SS Is Currently The Camaro's Most Powerful Option When Building Your Own Camaro, What Has Gotten Lost In Translation Is Your Comparing Two Cars That Aren't Exactly Comparable. Don't Get Me Wrong, You Are 100% Correct About Their Way Of Comparing Cars, The Issue With That System Is Their Comparing The Best One Brand Offers, Versus The Mid-Ranged Option Of The Other. That Style Is A "One Fits All Style" This Creates A Problem When You Get Into Details Like; Weight, Steering, And Overall Performance Because I Can Guarantee That The GT Didn't Have As Much Time And Money Involved As The 2SS Has. Thats Where The Problem Originates, You Cant Compare 8,000 Man Hours To 6,000 Man Hours And Expect Better Quality Out Of Something That Hasn't Had A Chance To Be Perfected Like The Product That Has Had 2,000 More Man Hours (Im Sure There's More Hours Put Into Each) Its Not Either Cars Fault, Nor Is It Mine Or Yours. Its Who Ever Compared The Two In The First Place. Again, Love Both Cars, But They Shouldn't Have Been Compared Like This

+fatboy19831 these are two stock V8 cars equipped the way the come from the factory. It seems like many Mustang fans want us to give the stang an unfair advantage by upgrading the car with non stock tires and an upgraded performance package. Now that would be unfair. This test is completely apples to apples and we stand by our results! If you don't like the way Ford specs their Stock GT, you should complain to Ford....not us.

The base Mustang GT is there for one purpose. To simply be the fastest car you can buy for 30 grand. That is it. It is a whooping $4000 less than the Camaro SS. The GT package on the Mustang GT is an $2500 option. Not a non-stock upgrade.That includes 373:1 gears , upgraded spring, shocks, cooling,Summer rubber and Brembo brakes. Even after all that the GT would Still have a $1200 price advantage over the SS. The shorter gears would have closed the gap on acceleration. I know you can only test what is offered in the press fleet. $ for $ the two cars would have been equipped and optioned about the same. I still think the Camaro would have won. Then you would be down to less than a second difference. For your professional driver to say he thought the two cars would be closer when one is on all seasons vs summer tires? Old heads order the GT track pack all the time with no other options. Ford offers the GT package for folks that want to track their car. Most GT owners will never track their cars and are better off without the $2500 track pack. shop.ford.com/build/mustang/#/config/Config%5B%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2017%7C1%7C1.%7C300A.P8C..CI...COU.67G.MST.~YZKAA.GT.LESS.%5D

+fatboy19831 I like your BRZ, I have an FR-S. How many track shoot outs have these cars lost because of the shitty tires ? It's what the factory gave them. Can't really bitch.

+The Fast Lane Car badass response! lol

I hate all of you Mustang owners that get mad for no reason. YOUR CAR SUCKS, JUST FACE IT.

it also comes down to it having more grip, different gearing and at altitude, I was surprised as well, I did try launching it lower at first, it kept bogging until I got above 5k

Paul Gerrard perhaps it was the gearing difference. the GT has a 3.66 1st the SS has a 2.77 1st both with a 3:73 rear end.

That'll do it, good find :)

+Paul Gerrard the camaro has launch control, it would've have had a quicker 0-60 if you had used it

Dang it! I couldn't find it, the launch I had was pretty decent, only think there was a 1/10 more in it but would have liked to try the LC just to compare.

mustang looks like a frumpy soft fusion coupe ill edit this in here: i actually like the mustang, the GT350 is one of my all time fav cars, but lets be real here, the SS is clearly better than the GT, give credit where credit is due. better interior, more performance, more sound from the exhaust, more show stopping looks, far more aggressive design, better driving dynamics, and it holds it will re-sale value far better ;)

it looks like a Toyota corolla in the front

The mustang looks like 3 kids tried their best and making something faster than a bicycle.

+justin bouche I read this after the comment. But your still wrong. Camaros are actually holding their resale really great. I was debating trading mine in for a new one. So I know. Lol.

alex rivas lol, i probably did not make it very clear, i was saying the camaro holds its resale value far better than the mustang. not the mustang has a better resale value than the camaro lol.

Bigger motor vs smaller one with four cams. Don't leave that part out.

There are way smaller motors than the 6.2L that make much more horsepower. 2.4L F1 engines were making 700+ horsepower.

+Donald Weber And I'd be willing to bet none of them are pushrods but instead DOHC. In the case of N/A production engines.

The 5.0 is a physically larger and heavier engine. The 6.2L is more compact, lighter and the Liters primary affect torque.

+evilmuffen117 I'm pretty sure the OP was speaking of displacement and not dimensions. I know the Coyote is wider but the LS3 is taller. I think the Coyote is actually lighter than the LS3, someone correct me if wrong on that. Displacement effects horsepower as well as you have more volume to move more air. In simple terms, at least. This is why BBC ultimately can make more power than SBC and LSX stuff.

Wouldn't lemon to lemon be a better metaphor⁉️😐😐😐

and smaller wheels

That's what Ford and GM sent TFL,so they just have to take whatever is handed to them ;)

these cars came with what the factory puts on them. So it is a fair comparison as far as how you get the car from the factory. If the Mustang had new tires maybe it would have improved a bit but I appreciate it when the car I am buying has the tires that fit the car better. Why put all season tires on a sports car?

Agree, a more comparable test would've been ditching that pathetic California Special package and going with the GT performance pack, 255/40 and 275/40 pirelli pzero summer rubber.

The Mustang GT PP is still slower around a track.

+OmarDaily sure thing Onar. But please you tell our wives that we're moving and we have to sell our homes and they have to quite their jobs and the kids have to go to new schools and won't see their grandparents anymore because you are tired of watching mile high videos.

+The Fast Lane Car Fair enough Lol Please DM me those numbers so that I can have a chat with the whole family..

Should've used the gt350

You can also say: are we really comparing a car with one cam vs one with four cams? Its really just DOHC vs OHV. Even though it has more liters the LT1 engine is physically smaller and about the same weight if not lighter. Simplicity and performance at its best.

+Nick Henry who cares about litter to hp. I care about weight to hp. So I'd rather have a 6.2l that produces more power and weighs less than a 5.0 that weighs more and produces less power

are you honestly saying the GT and SS aren't direct competitors?

+Rob Kahla no, I'm saying it's pathetic that gm has to use a 6.2 to keep up with ford's 5.0

Ikr, they always find excuses that the mustang is better lmao

TheAllYouCan Watch Channel​ they're number one excuse is "spun tires"😂 even on a 50 mph roll lol

Exactly.

Just wait for the 1LE Camaro, which is a more far comparison. The GT350 is a $50+k car. Actually the ZL1 is closer to the price of the GT350 and will utterly demolish it

Wow, I didn't know stupidity was that evident in public, but you raised the bar for me to measure other folks that ride the short yellow bus. You have a nice day, watch out for your helmet hitting the door frame when the bus driver opens the door.

+Lorenzo Garza Take the time and state your case instead of saying random shit that is irrelevant to my post and the video itselft.

+Mark Strong I would still choose the GT350 over the ZL1. The ZL1 is the best of a GT car and a track monster but I would still not buy one simply because I prefer the high revving, naturally aspirated nature of the GT350. When it comes to the ZL1 I think Ford is going to up their game with a Twin Turbo GT500. Either way both Ford and Chevy are making awesome cars and you can't go wrong with either one, I just happen to like Fords more.

+L Haslett Paul and Tanner are good friends and both completely disagree with your comment.

Tires make a huge difference and the Mustang GT has big time inferior tires. I have MP Super Sports with tighter suspension and it handles like a race car. 1.05 Skidpad. This video needs to have a better matchup but I enjoy The Fast Lane Car's videos.

Nope. GM has recycled the LT1 name and using it for the third time.

+NuclearGrizzly 10-4. I thought Roman was having a senior moment :D

The new gen chevy small blocks are now called LT1 for the NA version and LT4 for the supercharged version found in the Z06 and CTS-V.

Aaron Fink BTW My best friend has a '70 LT1 Corvette. It's solid lifter engine that revs like mad.

+NuclearGrizzly Fwiw, the '70-72 version was LT-1 with a dash.

+CareerFireman fanboy's

I've always wanted to have a 5.0 with bolt ons

You will need $4,000 to $6,000 dollars worth of bolt on's to compete with the Camaro.

I don't care they are ugly

+julian mares You are ugly

motherfukkers think like this Pony cars have never been all about speed

Ponygt 662 I completely agree that Pony cars have never been about speed‼️😝😝😝

+MrKeyboardCommando not really pony cars anymore, they have evolved into something closer to a sports car.

no, judging from all the KZfaq videos, Mustangs have been all about pulling out of the parking lot and crashing into innocent bystanders or trees.

+ben better Ford doesnt even come in the top ten on the most reliable vehicles... I believe Gm is like #2