It’s a shame that GM is killing the Camaro. It’s truly gonna be missed..

The stock MT82 have ALWAYS been absolute garbage never understood why Ford kept them in production after so many people complained about them in 2011-2014

I took Sam's advice on the 1LE, and now it's in my garage. (2023 1ss 1le rapid blue) best bang for your buck 👌

I own a 2021 Camaro SS 1LE 6 speed. It is by far the best car for the money. It can run with any car for the most part on a track, and still run light to light with the new cars. This was a fun video to watch as a Camaro owner. Thanks...

That was a nice rolling burnout from the Camaro lol

It’s the driver, not the car 😂

As a car enthusiast, automotive worker, and 10 year drag racing veteran, this is my take. The first roll race the revs were too low for the stang, the Big Chevy V8 on the other hand was right in the torque sweet spot and pulled way. The 2nd roll race put the mustang in its sweet spot, smaller, multi valve V8 loves to rev, and it pulled away. 1st drag race the Camaro went up in smoke... which happens. (Even with drag radials on a prepped track I've done it more than once). But, the 2nd drag race, it sounds to me that he may have bogged the Mustang.... which once that is done in such closely matched cars... game over. I have heard many complain about the stock GT manual, and could see him not shifting it aggresively because of it. EIther way, nice to see both cars run through their paces.

I have had 3 camaros in my life. 13 2SS, 16 2SS, 21 1SS 1LE and i gotta say... 1LE is THE BEST bang for your buck car. The corner capability in itself is worth every penny and more.

Mustang vs. Camaro is always fun to watch. Of course automatics are going to be quicker and we need to know the gear ratio in the respective differentials, but fun to watch nevertheless.

Classic shootout between these 2 iconic muscle cars Thanks Sam Another banger 👏👏👍👍 Happy new year 🙏

Sharkskin metallic looks amazing on that Camaro 0:54

8 year old car design putting the hurt on the new mustang. The Camaro is the best muscle ever made, and it handles extremely well.

both are good American Coupe´s.

With cars so evenly matched it comes down the drive.

I love my 23 SS 1LE, the car is 🔥

The classic rivalry Camaro vs. Mustang. For me, the Camaro is the more aggressive looking & more track focussed car. When I decided 4 years ago between either Mustang (GT 350 cause the GT500 was not yet available in Germany) or Camaro (ZL1) I decided for the ZL1 as a 6-speed and did not regret it until today! With a few slight mods only it performs solid almost 700hp/900 NM and the car feels great and looks adorable!

People may complain about that first drag race but that's real life. Great video Sam!

That Camero has not change much since 2016 same hp and torque.

Wow, this was an incredibly good battle! Both are awesome cars but on that last race the Camaro really hooked up! Thanks for providing good information on the cars and leaving it up on the screen for a while. It wouldn't hurt to list MSRP based on options, etc.

Pretty impressive numbers. I was shocked by the 0-60 times from both cars.

Watching these beautiful cars is definitely something to cherish. Especially knowing the future will bring nothing but front wheel drive shit boxes and gender neutral pronouns. 😢

Should switch cars for some races too. A lot of these seem to come down to the driver more than the car.

Awesome video man this is the one I've been waiting for. And you didn't disappoint.

I love the fact you are racing these cars with manual transmissions, the way these muscle cars are supposed to be raced, on the street.

Did you run that 5.0 to red line? I have a 2018 GT and know what it sounds like at 7,500 RPMs. I just did not hear that in this video.

That Chevy sound is insane 💥

Awesome stuff brother, I just love in the way you make everything realistic. Keep on racing

Imagine If they updated the camaro like they did mustang

If you guys cant shift, bring automatics. No shade

Awesome. I was wondering if you could ever do some older cars as well Like 2003 s600 twin turbo vs 2003 e55 AMG? Or a terminator cobra 2003-2004 vs a new GT dark horse or any GT. 996tt vs Toyota supra mk4. Just throwing some ideas that I would like to see. I know I ain't shit just was wondering if those kind of drag races interests you for your channel and your fans. Great video. 😊

Why is it that no one factors in the rear gear ratio? There’s only one offered in the Camaro where in the Mustang there’s 3. Did this one come optioned with the 3.73? That would make a huge difference in a drag race and acceleration in a roll until a certain speed in the 100+

Those were some real granny shifts in the mustang.

bro said, "I was doing quick shifting" lol you can't even shift properly 😂😂

Run this shit with the 10r80 back…

Both cars are amazing but I after watching some of these shows with guys comparing two brands I feel they should use the car to its potential, if the mustang has sport, drag, and track mode and the Camaro just have sport, sport plus then show us what they do in the different modes! And compare it to one another. Especially when your drag racing the cars, now on the road race side the gearing would obviously different in certain packages. If it has a drag option on the mustang then 9/10 it has a 3:73 gear which completely changes that car performance. But I guess it’s what you can get your hands on to compare them with either way love the show.

Does the mistang prevent you from no lift shifting, use to no lift shift my Conquest, and my v8s10. Not sure why you wouldnt be able to do the same in a new and im sure much better shifting vehicle

Great video Sam. I have a SS Camaro and a S550 Mustang Gt. They are both great cars, very similar with some differences. Ford has been manipulating horsepower and torque numbers since 2022, The Camaro has been 455 and 455 from 2016 til now. The torque does make a big difference, so does gear ratios, tires and clutches. Ford offers standard 3.55 gears and 3.73 gears which also is a factor. The Camaro running a 4 second 0 to 60 with a manual is rare, 4.2 is normal and 4.3 for the manual mustangs from 2015 to 2023, invariably. Camaros usually shift well invariably, the Mustangs are inconsistent. Some shift great and others terrible, there are several versions of the MT82s that also factor in.

Fast 2-3 up shifts aren’t a thing for average drivers. In the 2nd run, the shift was much quicker though. Driver is king when it comes to MT cars. Just comparing the first two runs at that shift point shows you there 1-2 car length to lose or gain depending on how good of a shifter you are, and how much seat time you have in a car. It must be hard trying to speed shift any car if you’re only just driven it.

My guy in the mustang granny shifting 🤣

I agree the Camaro for racing is great handling car, and another channel confirms though they confirmed the Dark Horse is the only way to go on the S650...otherwise stay with the Mach1 Handling Pack. Because it's better than ALL and you can Super Charge it and it's better than the Ford GT500 and way better than the Shelby Super Snake 🏎🏎🏁🏁🚩🚩👨🏻👍🏻

Love the evenly matched Cars slotted with manuals. Low mph rolls, the camaro shine. higher mph rolls mustangs top end starts to bully. Digs are a coin toss. Love to see it

That no lift shift is crazy in the Camaro.

Great vid, the stang really needs a lower ratio diff so can stay higher in the revs. I really like the late camaro, they've got a good package there

I know people like driving manuals but for comparison sake, taking the driver out of the equation as much as possible is better.

Appreciate the video. Not apple to apples though breh. GT PP would be the minimum for that to be a fare race. You need to bring the performance pack to that fight when you can find an S650. You were handicapped with allseason tires, not the Summer tires on the PP, lower gear ratio which was really the problem with the transmission which is like 3.55 not 3.73 like the PP MT82 could still compete with GT PP Dif and ratio, The suspension was also the stock trash springs and shocks that buck like mustang literally on a manual, Not sure but I know the 1LE suspension is way stiffer and likely has Magnetic Controls shocks as well. Again grateful for the content, but please run it back when you can get a GT PPS550 , Mach 1 or PP S650 next time you race the 1le.

Race the 10 speed Mustang vs the 10 Speed Camaro

No lift shift has been a stock feature in the mustang since like the 2018/2019 model … the s650 also has it…

The 5.0 in the Mustang is a good engine, not doubt. But there's no replacement for displacement. That 6.2 in the Camaro just has torque all day long.

Please learn to shift properly that's the difference.

Why did the Camaro start braking befoe the finish line in the 2nd roll race?

My 2021 SS 1LE was unfortunately stolen a few months ago I miss that car everyday best car I’ve owned.

Missed and important spec. What are the axle ratios of each?

I'm amazed how close they are in weight.

Put the Camaro driver inside the Mustang,he would win 😂

The guy driving the mustang shifts like my grandmother

6.2 vs. 5.0. Got it.

Man I’m still not a fan of this new body style. It’s like it’s not finished or something. I’ve seen a few here around town and they still haven’t grown on me like s550 did when it came out. Even the base dark horse didn’t look like I thought it would in person. Only seen one handling pack in person and it’s a stunner for sure but the price is just crazy. In conclusion to my essay… I’d take a 6th gen SS 1LE over any s650 not named the dark horse with handling package.

You need to swap cars and repeat the tests to even out the driver factor.

Shame Ford can use a 5.0 and get almost the same result as the 6.2.😂

Soo.... Performance pack vs base model.... What was the expected outcome?

5 litre versus 6.2 is very impressive!

Should have switched drivers and see if results were same or if one driver was better that way u could see which car is actually faster not who drives better

Shift speed or torque ?

6500 RPM shift point for the panther and 7500 for the s650.. seems like you are short shifting, you're shifts are almost the same time as the panther.. 🤦🏽‍♂️

Proves I think that, like the S550, the Coyote still has the slightly better top end. In this case it was let down by the transmission, as mentioned.

Back in the 90s to get this kind of power one would need a fully built engine.

What gear ratio on the 5.0? The 1le has 373s and no lift shift.

3:17 got a better shifter or is a better shifter?

Camaro is a better looking car too as always!

Can't wait for my optioned out 24 Mustang GT premium performance night pony package. It been pulled back for quality hold on December 12th still waiting for it to be released. Suspect something major happened given the time that they are holding it.

Did S550 have no lift shift? It really does make a difference, and don’t know if it’s the extra hp on autos, gearing or what but top end pulls

If you want to be fast, get an AUTOMATIC transaction.

Let’s put this to rest The Camaro is faster, looks and sounds better. It’s sad they have discontinued it.

Low 12’s is pretty quick… my 87 LX 5.0 stick I bought new was a 14.7 car out of the box with 2.73 gears… installed 3.55’s and couldn’t hook up ever at the strip 14.5 was best… threw some slicks on and the car went 13.9… added off road exhaust homemade cai and equal length headers went 13.5 on slicks… finally replace w/aluminum heads and went 67mm throttle body and mass air conversion..rams 12.9’s w slicks…. Then my buddy totaled it :( miss that car!!!!!!

He did a drag race in sports mode when he needed to be in drag mode. 😂😂😂

Has anyone else independently verified if Ford was off on those HP numbers? Curious to see if they're boosting stats for sales purposes. 🤔

It still shows that a 7 year design of the 6th gen Camaro its a better performance choice than the Mustang

Kuddos to Chevy for making a product that can keep up with or exceed Ford's newest generation. Of course, this doesn't include the Dark Horse, which would have been a different race -- but then again, the Dark Horse is supposed to be a slight level above the typical Mustang GT/Camaro SS category. Now, on the track, I'd say the SS 1LE will give the Dark Horse a run for its money.

Is it that hard to find ten speeds? I would think it would be easier

The best part about this video is the little kid jumping up and down during the Drag Race. I wonder which car he was cheering or do he just love to see cars and it doesn't matter to him or her.... Good job Dad

I thought even the base GT had no lift shift and launch control?

Yeah I knew that would happen,the SS has too much torque for the GT.

A very cool video, and thanks for doing it. I am a fan of the Camaro and the Mustang. Understanding the economics of these cars a bit; there were two issues cited as to the alpha platform Camaro's disappointing sales; cost and cramped interior. You may not be happy about that Getrag in the Mustang GT, however it helps keep the cost down, the Tremec with rev matching is standard on the Dark horse. The Mustang interior is more open, has a roomy feel and the rear seat is usable by an adult, I know I closely checked out both. Why is the Camaro being discontinued? If you check the sales volume of the alpha Camaro, it mirrors that of 2 seat sports cars, not 2+2's, and that is because it is a 2 seater. The problem being, the business case for the Camaro doesn't support the relatively low sales volume of a 2 seater, they needed to sell 50k plus annually. Ford managed to make the rear seat of the Mustang surprisingly roomy, and the design choices keep the cost down, so more people are willing to buy the non-GT car because it's a usable 2+2. One other note; the exhaust of that 1LE did not sound stock to me.

The S197 boss 302 was able to get 4.0 second flat from 0-60 with 440hp two body styles later 46 more hp the S650 GT is slower?

Get both with Auto and also regular ss since 1le package is heaver

I’ve had multiple iterations of both cars. The Camaro is just better. More torque, better shifter, way better platform, handles way better. Until you get into the Shelby realm, the Mustang just can’t keep up with the Camaro handling, even in non 1LE form. I do like the looks of the Mustang a little better tho, not including the new S650. It’s weird.

I got a 2024 GT premium didn’t realize how the screen looks so bad with it not being connected

One thing much better about the Camaro is it actually has gauges not a digital pad.

DO NOT BUY A MUSTANG TO RACE IF IT IS NOT A 10 SPEED! 😂 THIS HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR YEARS THE 5.0 IS A SMALL MOTOR. ITS POWER IS UP HIGH AND IT ONLY WORKS WITH THE 10R80 OTHERWISE YOU ARE OUT OF THE POWERBAND.

Mustang looks and sounds way better than the Camaro.

Good video, but you should've raced automatics. That would've made things more objective (no "driver mod").

We all know if you would have went both auto trans there would have been no contest.

Its the handling on street and track where you understand the Alpha chassis from GM is superior to Fords. That is the problem with Ford vs Camaro because the 6th generation Camaro actually rides on a well thought out neutral chassis that makes it a true sports car. The Mustang is far from sports car status in the modern era. 2024 Mustangs ride on the same chassis and that is a shame.

I recently pulled up on, and then blew the doors off of a Camaro SS in a roll race, from about 60 mph, in my Dark Horse. My car has legs, she knows how to use them. 😅

no zl1 vs shelby gt500?

Just to need to be quicker with your shifts and clutch. The mustang keeps dragging everytime you shift. As mustang owners, I think we all can agree.

The Camaro is a great car, always has been and the power plant has been untouched. I’ve owned two and never lost to a coyote although I will say coyotes are incredible with boost!

If the stang had the 10 speed you would win every time

All I can say is Chevyganggang 🤙🏿 I have a A10 2020 Chevy Camaro 2ss & it's bad bleeep!! Lol love all car's but really love Chevy's...

Now try 10 speed vs 10 speed I wanna see if it’s close or not