2017 Opel Ampera-e/Chevrolet Bolt 153k km/5 year degradation test

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@plugandplayEV 2 жыл бұрын

Great to see the Ampera-e/Bolt EV getting some long-term testing and positive results. Thanks for keeping an eye on older EV models as well for us, Uncle Bjørn.

@apocrypth 2 жыл бұрын

great insight as usual Bjorn, it is important, just as you said, to speak also about losing efficiency in fossil cars, plus also, loosing power output too.

@josepablomolinacarrillo3621 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing series of videos. Thanks Bjorn! Could please do an ID3 58 Kwh battery degradation test please??

@leokowalski 2 жыл бұрын

Have a look here, and you will start to cry! This is one of the reasons I will never buy a German car from VW, Audi , ... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a7apfMuW3cC-nJc.html

@sacharanc 2 жыл бұрын

Good one ☝️

@ThaGeezus 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2018 Chevy Bolt in Canada and I had similar results before the battery change. I estimated around 8% degradation after 4 years/146k km. With the new battery, now I have negative degradation 🤣 It is just sad that the fast charge is so slow. In Canada you can't sell electricity by the kWh, so the price is by the charge time. So, letting the car plugged for a long time is expensive. And the charge rate is even worse when the battery is cold, sometimes I can't get more than 17kW when the battery is less than 30%. And the battery heater takes forever. In cold weather (-15C, -20C) the battery heater will stop at 15C and the fastest charge rate is at 20C, at the car charge so slow the battery cannot reach 20C.. Don't do a Geilo test! Otherwise if you don't mind the seats and you don't need to fast charge the car often, it can be a good deal use (even more with the new battery)

@71johnf 2 жыл бұрын

Great test! At least there's one positive result from that very conservative DC charging curve.

@yingmustang67 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Björn, I really like your content. One of the best in KZfaq Word! I know you never can test a car in the Netherlands. I've got a classic Ionic electric 28 Kwh on your recommendation and I love it. Today at a sunny weather 18 °C my board computer says that my estimation = 249 km on a full charge. The consumption = 1 KW to 9 km average. So 9 x 27,5 = 247,5 km. How good is my ionic 2018 and 100.000 km? I always charge my car at home from March this year, other owners I don't know. And I drive proximity 800 km a week.

@newscoulomb3705 2 жыл бұрын

The trend isn't linear, so you'll get more accurate results the lower you go. I only have high confidence in readings from when the battery is less than 10%.

@robertpopek6063 2 жыл бұрын

Meany thanks for your degradation tests! They are very interesting. Still I got a question, does the car report SOH- state of health? If it does, what did it report?

@antster7 2 жыл бұрын

Ours had over 100k miles and only lost 5kwh capacity before the battery was replaced.

@cwilsonpa 2 жыл бұрын

Which app are you using to monitor the CAN bus via the OBD2 adapter on the Ampera-e/ BOLT EV ? Did the app include the necessary scale factors?

@alaznispireli7481 Жыл бұрын

Very good and informative vid if knowns have a question, I’ve Volt 2014 with 155k-km and resent in cold weather used Kwh get low from 10.2 to 9.7 is it degradation or just weather cause??

@Marvin-ii7bh 2 жыл бұрын

could you make a video about how much it costs to exchange the battery of such a vehicle? it would be very interesting to know!

@opc0101 2 жыл бұрын

Nominal capacity of the original battery is 57 kWh. The new generation, that he will get has 64 kWh. So the Ampera-E will getting even more range :)

@bjornnyland 2 жыл бұрын

I measured 58 kWh on my test.

@michaelnilsson8400 2 жыл бұрын

Could be good to know how many km your reference car have runned Björn so we can understand where the 58kWh comes from. Reason is that the batteries (modules) are marked 57kWh (clearly understated, but anyway...).

@mister_jon_jon 2 жыл бұрын

I charge daliy when I commute to work, charging with a slow charger 3,7kw up to around 70% and then when back home the car sits with around 50% to next trip to work. And when I'm free I don't drive the car so much and I let it stay with 50% SoC, DC charging mostly only from 5-10% up to 50%... The car has now traveled 50.000km and obd says 97% SoH... I wonder which way to obtain best SoH is... ?

@300rivers7 2 жыл бұрын

Bjorn, have you revisited the i3? I have a 2015 and I still really like it. It still charges "like a boss" too. I can get from 10% to 85% in about 30 minutes.

@jurgen71s55 2 жыл бұрын

Yes please, BMW i3, the german legend, unreached by other german e-Autos till it's end. Yes I know the design, but that's not the point. How useful it is with the newer cars to have nearly 80kWh battery size when you consume 250Wh/km? BMW i3: 37min for 200km recharching very robust!

@eSUBA94 2 жыл бұрын

This ampera from 2017 has software from 2019 chevrolet volt. Ampera-e stopped being produced immediately in 2018 due to Opel sold by gm

@swedenevguru8483 2 жыл бұрын

But you can find 2019-2020 Opel Ampera E on Finn in Norway

@eSUBA94 2 жыл бұрын

@@swedenevguru8483 then I do not know why the new Opel owner closed the production of the 2017 Ampera (RangeEtender EV)

@erikstephens34 2 жыл бұрын

@@eSUBA94 Under the deal of GM selling Opel to PSA, GM continued to produce cars for Opel under PSA. So the Opel Ampera-e continued to be sold for a couple of years after the sale.

@andreac7389 2 жыл бұрын

Bjorn, sorry for the question, why Ioniq has 26kwh new and not 28kwh? Thanks

@bjornnyland 2 жыл бұрын

28 kWh is nominal claimed capacity. Actual energy you get out of the battery in real world is 26 kWh.

@andreac7389 2 жыл бұрын

@@bjornnyland My brother has the 28kwh model with 57000km, 100% gros charge are more than 31kwh so i don't think that net capacity is only 26kwh. It is not certain that the on-board consumption indicator is correct. Indeed, it is easier, as everyone does, than to make people believe that the car is very efficient, cheat a little on real consumption. For me real net capacity is 28kwh, gros charge is more than 31kwh and onboard trip is a little optimistic

@uwehopfner7435 2 жыл бұрын

Dear Björn, thank you for that video. Do you know why the owner will replace this battery soon? In my opinion it is not necessary to do this whis such a small degradation.

@bjornnyland 2 жыл бұрын

It's a massive recall due to battery fire. It was all over the news.

@uwehopfner7435 2 жыл бұрын

@@bjornnyland Thanks alot for the information. When it was all over the news, I missed it in germany

@SMGJohn 9 ай бұрын

If people treat the battery in their car like they would in their smartphone, it would last four or five times longer, stop charging it to 100%, max 80% or 90% during winter, preheat as much as possible even in summer temperatures below 20 degrees this can actually be beneficial, precooling is a feature in some cars as well. Stop hard accelerations, stop discharge to below 30%, do not charge the car constantly, keep using it until the battery drops to 60% and then charge to 80%, then repeat this, why? Because the battery is a liquid cell, it needs to be exercised if you will regularly to prevent degradation, this 20% use case has been found to be excellent for longevity, since all lithium batteries behave the same, with a solid state battery, this is not needed, almost all solid state batteries have far higher abuse rate, you can easily just discharge them to 0% and then quick charge to 100% as much as the cooling solution allows for anyway and then repeat the test again several thousand times, since solid state batteries are pretty much 10 years away, stick to a stricter battery use case, its not much of a hassle but rather change of habit, its kind of like how you need to idle diesel cars in the winter a bit before you start roaring away.

@paulinchris 2 жыл бұрын

How do you find out the number of cycles charged for each vehicle? does Car Scanner tell you?

@Djudge01 2 жыл бұрын

Bjorn explained in one of his previous videos, I'm not sure which one. He does a calculation using odo, capacity, efficiency, .... Also, 10 x charging 10% is 1 cycle, for example.

@EV_OBD 2 жыл бұрын

Bjorn calculates it from odometer. Car Scanner shows the number of charging events in Ampera-e.

@paulinchris 2 жыл бұрын

@@EV_OBD Thanks I will check it out.

@paul-exist 2 жыл бұрын

When this car gets a new battery, it will be interesting to see if the new battery has the larger capacity as promised.

@dennislyon5412 2 жыл бұрын

Just had my 2017 (Bolt EV) updated last week (US) - definitely a larger battery now vs about 8% degradation in 77k miles on the original. Capacity test coming soon.

@MRsLove999 Жыл бұрын

@@dennislyon5412 did you manage to do capacity test with new battery?

@dennislyon5412 Жыл бұрын

@@MRsLove999 - yes - for my car, it was like adding 20% more capacity. About 62 kWh from 52.x kWh.

@stefanbololoi7110 2 жыл бұрын

Any plans to review the 2022 Chevy Bolt Euv ( not sure the name in Europe)?

@swedenevguru8483 2 жыл бұрын

GM doesnt sell that car in Europe today but heard that they consider to begin to sell Evs again in Europe. When it happens they will most likely be sold with same names.

@stefanbololoi7110 2 жыл бұрын

@@swedenevguru8483 thanks

@antster7 2 жыл бұрын

This should get a new battery as well

@gvi341984 2 жыл бұрын

Wish this channel was in high heat climates to test out these cars

@bjornnyland 2 жыл бұрын

I test hot weather when in Thailand. There are some videos about this topic in my channel.

@peteglass3496 2 жыл бұрын

The InsideEVs guys, Tom & Kyle, do good tests in the USA - some will be summer ones. Of course they report in miles and mph not km and kph.

@colla555 2 жыл бұрын

These tests show cycles are more important than battery age. But how should a buyer know the number of cycles?

@bjornnyland 2 жыл бұрын

Look at odometer.

@colla555 2 жыл бұрын

@@bjornnyland OK, but a car can have 100k km and have 1000 cycles (because was on average charged every 100km and only used half the battery between charging sessions. Or it could have only 500 cycles because it could make 200km between cycles.

@EngineersFear 2 жыл бұрын

@@colla555 That's not full cycles then

@sydjaguar 2 жыл бұрын

Why is the owner replacing the battery?

@erikmller8454 2 жыл бұрын

Factory recall, The high-voltage battery may fail at full charging capacity. This will increase the risk of fire. The Opel Ampera E models affected by this recall were manufactured between 27 June 2016 and 5 September 2019. Opel recall code: E202008501 (20-C-189) Affected models: Ampera E Vehicle numbers (worldwide): 9 555

@mahuckschlag 2 жыл бұрын

There is an worldwide battery problem withe the LG Battery. GM replaces all for Ampere-E and Chevy Bolt. The New Battery has more capacity. I am waiting also for my new one (Germany)

@AllanSustainabilityFan 2 жыл бұрын

LG's "pouch" cells from back then - and used in some EVs like Kona, Bolt, etc - had a technical problem that caused battery fires. So that's why many of the EVs using them got major recalls. This was one of the affected models, so it's getting a new battery pack.

@rui569 2 жыл бұрын

Little degradation, why change the battery?

@cfwelectronics4789 2 жыл бұрын

There is a factory recall on the batteries.

@bjornnyland 2 жыл бұрын

It might catch fire.