I'm a Dodge and Ford fanboy and I say buy the one you can get the best deal on with a dealership that'll take care of you if you have any warranty issues.

Mike Cady I completely agree with you. There are a lot of YT channels related to vehicles, but most are goofy vlogs for Millennials, and the vast majority of the rest simply don't hold a candle to this channel/these guys. I'm a firm believer in giving praise when due, and the TFL guys deserve it.

KZfaq is a cesspool of misinformation

sorry this is old but ford definitely DOES NOT have their act together. especially after the 7.3 diesel and 5.0 gas motor. they went to complete shit with reliability.

@mtrujillo1973 still, nothing beats the good old 7.3.

Thank You!

No real excellent

Thanks for the note and thanks for watching!

Might be most comfortable, for sure not the best. Ford lives up to their acronym. Watched plenty of testing videos on them

Maybe it's just my local dealers but it seems as if Dodge has the market as far as price is concerned. Ford and Chevy seem roughly similar when you're shopping for similar-spec vehicles. I agree that the price of these things is outrageous, the time to buy is at the year-end clearance when they're knocking $13k off the price. If they can discount them like that then you know they're overpriced to begin with.

Leonard Carr Nah they pretty much closed all the plants around here😔😔

I agree with the end of the year sale. I bought a 17 quad cab Lariat sticker was 69500 paid 54,900 for it out the door taxes and all. Super nice truck well worth the money had a 5.4 triton before and about killed it towing my camper in mountains this thing will tow in the mountains like the trailer isn't even there. Crazy powerful super comfortable truck

Idk I just priced out a 2020 F250 on Ford’s build your own tool and was actually surprised at the price. I was thinking around $80k. I built a XLT, 4x4, FX4 package, crew cab, short bed loaded with options including the sport package and landed at $65k. I think that’s a fair price.

Travis Robinson Which means you are a stupid guy.

Ramon Carter look up death wobble happened to mine id have to disagree

This one is maxed out with payload with this trailer hitch and passenger weight.

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Barbara Schenck has wear out too fast for HD applications, by 2025 all HD 1/2-1 ton trucks will be gas and the standard 1/2 tons will be the only remaining gas truck

IrishSavage87 your comment makes no sense. Read it

There is no HD truck with a gasser!! You want an HD, you'll need a diesel!

www.fuelly.com/ ... driving a truck that burns twice the fuel twice the tires and twice the brake pads is stupid...price a full set of brakes and tires that you will be buying every year then decide if its worth the extra inch of manhood

They do fuel economy loops unloaded with trucks as they're able to but, realistically, I wouldn't expect more than 18 MPG highway at best. These are working trucks, despite all of the luxuries they pack into them they still aren't built to be a daily driver for people who don't have anything more than an occasional (at best) use for a 3/4 ton diesel truck.

emmanuel estrada I have a 2018 Power Stroke and am averaging 18 mpg so far. Not bad compared to the Duramax I did have.

Stephen Saul thanks. I have a 2012 f150 ecoboost and average about 18. I think im going to trade in for a new powerstroke for the added capability Thanks.

emmanuel estrada I think you will be very happy with the power stroke. I love mine.

Or the height of the bed sides it's an fx4 4x4 truck get a 2wd of you want a low truck smh then they bash the GM because it's to low make up your minds

Yeah same. I mean you can always use more hitch to haul less trailer. IOW put a 2" or smaller ball on a 2.5" ball mount if that's what you need. Most trailers of any note use the bigger 2 5/16 and 3" ball anyway. Both my 10k trailers are the former. That just leaves the tow dolly in the small size.

I think they criticize it based off of towing capability and don't keep in mind the duel capability of off-roading. Plus that's the truck Ford sent them but oh well. TFL Seems to always have little weird inputs.

Based on the video I think he deducted the points because he did not like having to use the adapter. Silly reason in my opinion has it makes it more versatile not less, it was just a small inconvenience in this particular case.

I said in the Gold Hitch video that I SHOULD have taken off points for having to use two reducers to get to our 2 in hitch. I didn't take points off for it.

Michael Benoit No point. The old 7.3 had 2.4 HP and almost 5 Ft pounds of torque. I like the old rigs as much as anyone, but there is no comparison.

@@JJR1371John, I disagree. There is a comparison. one has emissions junk, and one does not. one can burn WMO, WATF, & WVO and one cannot. One will just keep on going with regular maintenance. And the other will quit at 300K and one will not.

Michael Benoit Nah. No comparison. A modern day F150 has more towing capacity and horsepower than a 7.3, and damn near the same amount of torque. The new 6.7 is a semi in comparison. Emissions are emissions. Even with them, the truck puts out basically double everything, and triple the towing capacity. I like the old trucks too, but I wouldn’t compare them the same way that I wouldn’t compare a mustang to a Prius.

The 7.3 has the longevity/reliability factor in it. The 7.3 can make over 600hp and 1000ftlbs of torque, but engine is dialed back for longevity and reliability.

Michael Benoit We aren’t talking about what they “can make”, we’re talking about what they do make. You can easily double if not triple the numbers on the 6.7 as well. A few simple mods puts these new trucks numbers in well over that of most tractor trailers. Longevity blah blah blah. These new trucks are lasting quite well! Tons of people with 400-500+ on the forums going strong. The only reason there are higher mileage 7.3’s out there is because the 6.7 hasn’t had 30 years to rack up the miles. There is no indication these new rigs won’t be as, if not more reliable. All the need is time.

Okie Rider not mine!!! Full air ride no springs at all it stands right back up lol. Pisses everyone off at the loading docks !!

In my 06 I have 1000lbs of dirt. Squat some didn't care it ran and rode fine.

Some have self level.

Unless you have an air bag set up, you’re going to get some squat. But, then you have to deal with leaks and air bag failures later down the road.

Okie Rider I think their main concern is this could be a problem at night with people getting blinded by headlights with the truck squared but even then higher end trucks like this one come with self leveling projector headlights which won’t blind people when your truck squats

Which Ram truck video?

The Ram 2500 and Chevy 2500 were tested in the same video, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/frtzlJN1rJfeeYU.html

Smh

Well if you know something at all about the runaway lanes and it appears by your statement you don't, is that yes they have the steep angle to take off the speed plus the lane is soft, usually filled with loose gravel about 2 feet worth along the whole lane, this combination helps stop the vehicle safely in a short distance. Plus the gravel will help hold the vehicle so it will not roll back into traffic. Been there done that...Hope this explanation helps, And for the love of God,,,Do Not stop at the entrance of these runaway lanes for any reason...which people have done and have had there vehicle destroyed when a truck has lost their brakes....

Plus Jake, the lane is placed on a curve so the drive off angle is low.

7.3 last great motor they ever made. 6.0 was decent and the 6.4 6.7 are complete crap.

SLICK THE AVERAGE GUY your obviously clueless. The gen2 6.7 is turning out to be an extremely good engine.

William Heinsinger *Lb*ft is the correct unit of torque. A common misconception is that the units are interchangeable but ft*lb is a different unit

Aison more than likely so should be a good transmission

grimvaper 69 Uhm... No... Ford designed their tranny in house. Same with the engine. They don't have to outsource like the bitches over at GM and Ram.

$76,000 👎🏾

You are right ! I can't afford it, but I didn't say anything vulgar ! I can comment you know .

Ram

Now that's funny. A 1/2 ton is great for a 12500 trailer if you buy a new truck every year or have a transmission savings account. All the big 3 have about the same payload which I guess in your opinion doesn't say much for any of them lol. Maybe you have an xtra super duty that has a 6k payload thats what mine is it was a limited edition experimental model and it will tow 85,000 pounds at 25 MPG. Came from the factory with a 2,000,000 mile limited powertrain warranty and you never have to change the oil. EVER...........

ford power-Joker..!!

Mayito 17 shush

@@Jmayito17 - cheby humper

Like I said they're shills for the MFG. KZfaq dis information is there bread and butter

I have same thing going on . Anyone know how to fix this ?

Just seen on f150 site you need to deselect the trailer . Going to try it tonight .

The only way it goes back is if you disconnect the trailer while the truck is still on. The display will say “trailer disconnected”. Then you got OK in the display. It’ll go back to the pre-tow display. It was driving me nuts too!

AkaAndyKnuckles I’d assume so...plus you never know when a semi may need to use it

No, it's not legal. On the return to Denver, ski traffic can be a bear. Especially if ice and snow, sliding down hill, moisture in tractor-trailer brakes will freeze at least the trailer brakes, about the time the ski traffic in front of you slows or stops.

I think they make up for it in the transmission. Especially in these days of 6+ gears being standard in an auto trans.

Not a bad point, but did this F-250 have the 10-speed? I don't think Ford has HD-ified that transmission yet. On the F250 configurator there are only 6-speed transmission options, so I don't know that the 3.55 gears are so much a result of the 10-speed. I could be more of an MPG play with the existing drive train.

Don’t need 3.73 or 4.10 with the amount of torque the diesel puts out. The gearing of the 6 speed transmission helps too. My 2013 F350 has 3.55 gears with the 6.7, and it pulls my 24’ enclosed car trailer like it’s not even there.

UMM They're actually higher ratios. 4.10 is way lower than 3.55

e harris its a top spec truck, people dont buy these specs for working, they buy them because can afford them, and a 3/4 ton isnt exactly the average family car.

Yeah ,,agree. Just not on the people can afford them , most people in these days are going into debt to their eye balls and very small percentage can afford to pay cash for a new vehicle. Also they have made 6 and 7 year car loans so common to try and keep the monthly note the same as if you bought a $45k vehicle with a 5yr payment option , they figured out that if the consumer can afford the monthly payment they don't think about or care for how long it takes to pay off just long as they have it , because people just want what's new or to make a statement to try and keep up with the jones' , also banks really need vehicle loans to keep the system working, I have a video in my "realtalk" playlist about how the bank system fed reserve and so on works its very professional and well put on educating on that subject .. we are living in the times lol !

The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind - Hidden Secrets of Money 4 ,its in my real talk playlist, kinda sheds some light on our system in play

Agree, decade ago a king ranch was about 55-60k maybe a little more but this thing close to 80k. 1400-1500 payment no thanks.

I work hourly, $17.25 to be exact, my wife, $14 an hour, I’m 43 she’s 33, together we managed to pay off our house in just under 5 years, have kids, enjoy life, have a fifth wheel, camp with our kids, have ONLY utilities and insurance for bills, zero debt, over 400k in a Roth IRA, $61k in savings, 16k in checking, she paid cash for a Ford Explorer 2014 limited, I just paid cash for a 2018 Ford F-250 xlt premium package diesel crewcab, so life can be rewarding with zero education and hard work, being responsible with your income, zero debt, I only get about 50 cents pay raise every year for COLA, we don’t believe in debt, we believe in cash, don’t finance anything and your monthly freed up cash income is incredible with an hourly pay, especially if you hit the overtime, stop complaining and get out of debt, and if you finance you can only afford the payment for as long as your employed, and you have no right saying I BOUGHT A CAR TODAY, cause YOU didn’t, the bank did, if you don’t play on your emotions and be diligent and save you can afford most anything within reason, then you can say, I BOUGHT A CAR TODAY. just wanted to clear up any misconceptions within your comment

Its all about gearing bud less torque with 4.10 ratio vs. more torque with 3.55. All these trucks are about the same dodge,ford, duramax. I dont know 1-guy that times his truck to the top of a hill bottom line is Ford has Wayyyy nicer interior than dodge or chevy I would buy a ford before either of the others especially a dodge. Cummins is a great motor but everything that surrounds it is standard Chrysler crap

Agreed

Mark Jones on the transmission, yeah

Terrible

K bomb diesel engines are not good for short trips, you’re better off with a petrol, diesels are better for long trips in the long run

The 3 in receiver makes since for the F350, but the capacity of the F250 is not near the capacity of a 3 in receiver

MrTruckTV no but it doesn't hurt either just gives you more confidence in knowing everything behind the truck is more than capable

I'm betting it came down to cost and complication. It's cheaper and easier to carry a single hitch in the factories and parts warehouses than to have separate parts for everything.

I'm sure this does fine for offroad but look up the ground clearance numbers for this and older f250s. It literally doesn't change more than .5 inches and the one I checked from 2007 actually has more clearance

Rear axle in F250 is Dana M275 10.8" ring. F350 SRW gets Dana M300 11.8" ring and extra leaf with overload.

We are running a fully-loaded Super Ike within the next couple of weeks.

Awesome! Can't wait to see it!!

Dylan Condo nothing wrong with 221

Why not a larger radiator, boiling is 212, what would the temp be in AZ with outside temp at 100+? What is the pressure (PSI) to keep the temp at 221?

Forward Plans 50/50 coolant boils at 220 f. - 250 F. at 16 psi.

Forward Plans many modern engines run hotter than normal.to help with emissions as well as burn off in the engine. The truck has no problems with hi temp. It's allowing itself to run that hot.

The boiling point of water at atmospheric pressure at sea level is, indeed, 212 degrees. Coolant is not just water, though, and antifreeze is not just there to reduce the freezing point--it also raises the boiling point. Cooling systems have been pressurized for decades to further increase the boiling point of the coolant and engines have been engineered to run hot for emissions reasons for at least 30 years now. Perhaps they can re-run the test with the same load on a steep hill in Arizona in August and compare coolant temps? I'd bet 227-231 degrees, which is still within nominal operating temperatures of these engines.

i am a jabroney. The 7.3L would not do it any better. But smiles per gallon.

Agree ,the 7.3 may not perform as well and have all the torque and horsepower has 6.7 , but 7.3 probably have better longevity under a work load over time, it just chuggs along kinda slow , and the 7.3 fuel system may not be so sensitive to moisture causing expensive repairs, and not dealing with them expensive pesky emission problems , other than that the 6.7 power stroke is one bad dude it packs some real power ,

Reg Sparkes You're absolutely right. I guess it would be hard for them to have multiple trailers and drivers (who would do the camera work?), but it would be the only fair way to test them. But on the other hand, at least these guys are putting out something and measuring it. It may not be 100% accurate but it's close enough.

Cheers, 88tcoupe, but they could do the test's during good weather days, with the guys they have there now. Thanks for your reply. I subscribed to TFL just for those reason's , because they do more than just 'talk'. They try to prove the point, don't they?

R u smoking crack? There is no wheel slip when they are cruising up the hill at steady 60mph with proper tongue weight. Snow build up on the trailer?! Come on dude get serious. These r journalists who get paid peanuts. Think before u speak.

Strange how the 'uneducated' have to resort to personal insults to TRY to make a point. Why not just check your statistics again before you comment, Andy?

Unfortunately, these guys only get these press demonstrator vehicles for a short period of time so they have to take the truck they're given and do the best they can while they have it. Ideally, we'd see an objective test performed all on the same day but TFL Truck does the best of anyone I can name at being objective and trying to minimize variables. At the end of the day, I think we need to be objective in our analysis of their data and the conditions and make an informed decision based off of that. With the way the truck market is now, I think people are down to either buying based on brand loyalty or which dealer will work with them the best.

12,500 lbs

It should use 13500 lbs trailer.

I believe they use 12,500 pounds so that they can test against the maximum capacity of the gas trucks as well.

Any heavier trailer would overload F250's GVWR of 10,000lbs. Payload on this high optioned Platnum is only 2,000lbs. This incudes all passengers/cargo and hitch weight. Hitch/tongue weight on this trailer is over 1,200lbs.

Since there is a gas powered F250 it helps to specify diesel vs gas.

But Cummins doesn't make a tow vehicle... They do make a great engine, though. The Dodge (or Ram, as they're called these days) trucks are great trucks, particularly when they are equipped with a Cummins engine. I don't care about the lower HP number or the lower rated torque, etc. because when the rubber hits the road their time up the gauntlet isn't that much slower than Ford or Chevy but their MPG is better and I would rely on the Cummins engine to outlast a Duramax or PowerStroke, the rest of the truck is the tricky bit though.

Rxonmymind I have same truck and tow 6500. A little more than your 5000 but with the 6500 I average 12-14. It’s pretty impressive. Unloaded I get 19-22 on the highway.

@@LGBFJB46 Thank you!

Rxonmymind welcome sir. Awesome truck hope it stays that way 😀

@@LGBFJB46 I just purchased an Airstream trailer, my first trailer. With that weight do you experience any sway or bucking even with a weight distribution hitch? Do you have enough power going up steep grades? Would you recommend that I upgrade to a f350 if down the road a move up to a 30 ft trailer that tips the scales at 8,000 pounds? I appreciate the feedback thank you for taking time to respond.

Rxonmymind very little to no sway even at 80 mph on long trips. As a matter of fact I can’t even tell the trailer is back there I have to keep looking in my mirrors lol. The ride and comfort is the same unloaded as it is pulling my 6500 lb camper. Mine is a 28 ft Jayco bumper pull travel trailer. Some squat like you see in this video but not bad at all, the truck still level. As for a F350 for 8k I would say no and stick with the F250, unless you get in that 10k plus weight or move up to the big fifth wheels. As for power, this thing is a literal beast. Tons of power and torque. It laughs at steep grades and big hills. Also, these trucks have the engine breaking system that is amazing going down big steep grades. I put mine in auto mode on trips towing the camper.

That is what it says at 4:12. A gas XL F250 2WD Reg Cab will have twice the payload capacity. The diesel engine and all those Platinum goodies weigh a lot.

Yes that is low, too many options which ads to curb weight

Haha, my 2.0l TDi Volkswagen Amarok has more payload than that.

AkaAndyKnuckles well why dont you go ahead and pull 12500 pounds behind it then?

Derek Ortiz Haha, no, it is only rated to tow half of that. The towing capacity of the Ford is great, but the payload is low.

Nathan McLaughlin Ford runs the same exact power train for all Super Duty models. The 350 DRW will more than likely have 4.10's and the 450 only comes with 4.30's.

Nathan McLaughlin actually the heavier duty models typically have less power for longevity, these 3/4 tons sit right on the edge of commercial vehicles that people still buy for personal use.

I got my nicely equipped F-250 XLT with a Diesel for $52,000 where the hell you shopping?

$89k is F-350 Platinum territory. Might even get a platinum dually for that price.

Bro that is msrp, you can sctually get them for at least 10k off

mohammadkwt , that was an April fool's joke. Guess it got ya

Johny Bylund will.....crap !!