Dan Smith completely different customers but I’m with ya

Or buy an F250 with the old 7.3L or 7.5L in it and still be on the road in 20 more years....and save yourself $40k+ LOL.

or just get a cummins ram

It don't get anywhere near 30mpg, mid 20's if you are lucky. With all the electronic shit and emissions shit they put on them they're not going to get anywhere near 30mpg...well ok maybe downhill in neutral with the engine shut off...or when being hauled away on a flatbed wrecker as I'm sure they'll be having a lot of given the initial test fail of these things.

No thanks, after they added all the electronic shit and emissions those new diesels regardless what emblem you buy are just garbage. You see them sitting on the sides of the roads all the time broke down because of that garbage...I'll take the old mechanical diesels without the emissions, I'd actually like to get home every day.

Robert Montgomery that’s how you saw it eh?

There's nothing nice about it, it has a engine in it that belongs in a car not a work truck.

William Todd Most F150 are not work trucks. They are daily drivers. They rarely see work. Now a F250 or F350, those are serious trucks!

William Todd go enjoy your 4 cylinder chevy truck

Sorry can't find a Chevy in my driveway. Maybe you can park your's here and I'll haul it to the scrap yard for you.

Or pick a benchmark like 50 and measure mpg

Dilly Dally you can find a built cummins or powerstroke or dmax and fix any future issues for cheaper than 68k

If you’re paying $68k for it you’re dumb. Just picked one up for $54 fully loaded lariat.

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My 95 OBS 7.3 Powerstroke w 367K gets better MPG and will last way longer than that $68K truck. New trucks make me sad, you almost can't daily a new truck. I daily my 7.3 and I get great mpg like 13-15mpg, but I've changed all the sensors on the truck.

@@jeffm8882 I wouldn't pay that either.

DanielJaegerFilms it was a pre production vehicle so in other words still being finalised. Was a simple calibration not a hardware issue.

Rushed, no. This has been in the R&D stage for years, It's also why they decided to not release it for the 2017 model and held off to halfway through the 2018 model.

DanielJaegerFilms The 6.0 problems were physical- weak heads, egr, turbo, etc. This was a pre-production computer issue. This motor has been around for years; just not in the F150.

DanielJaegerFilms they rushed it because ram was putting the ecodiesel in their 3/4 ton trucks and ford got butt hurt about being behind them when really that where they have been the whole time. They rush things at the possible expense of the person driving getting into an accident over a vehicle malfunction. My mom got a pretty much brand new platinum edition ford suv and was so excited, within three days it threw a transmission code and went into the same limp mode as the 150 did and the sales rep told mom it wasnt a safe idea to continue trying to get that car so now she has a hyundai elantra GT. But yeah thats why they rushed the f150 diesel project and its a flop just like the 6.0( i liked that reference a lot...good job lol)

The difference is this is a time proven engine from Europe that is rock solid,unlike the 6.0 navistar, which was a clean sheet design that was only built to be an entry level diesel for the price point sales trucks , it was the lowest bidder engine ,they talked it up but it was a piece of garbage that did get the truck down the road long enough to take a truck sale from a freight liner or other that used the more expensive but way more reliable 5.9/6.7 Cummins.

I would be too if I had his job!

Yep I'll keep my vehicles that don't have a computer in them to tell them what to do.

the best and has NO timing belt!!

EGR alone will destroy them in 150k miles. After that all diesels are time bombs

Kyle Riegle Top trim fully specd. You can get Supcrew F150 for under 40k after rebates.

Kyle Riegle good point, things are getting too expensive.

The same inflation that hit the housing market 10 years ago seems to be hitting the car market now. I would rather not give that much money for any vehicle, but at least with a 3500 people use them to make massive amounts of money. This is why I will not buy a newer vehicle until I absolutely have to. My other ones are getting rough looking but they still run and are paid for.

But the Diesel only comes in the higher trim unless you get a standard cab work truck, long bed. It seems to me they only did this because so many people have a hang up over a v6 gas motor being so good. The eco boost is proven technology by now. It is just better. And you can get a 3.5, xl crew cab 4x4, with max towing, and stx package for under $40k with a 6.5' bed. There is no way you can recoup the extra cost you would incur with the diesel.

its only a lariat, there's a king ranch , platinum and limited above this one.

Dave Lusk because Ford knows people are stupid and will pay it

Because this will get better mpg and ride smoother. But I'm with you if I bought a diesel it would be the big one.

Its for people who want to look cool at the Walmart and to show off to their family and friends. $60k+ for a 1/2 ton truck is about $30k too much. For that price I'll buy a real truck that can actually handle the weight and workload. 10k+ behind a 1/2 ton truck is asking for a wreck. Cool your cute little truck got that 10k+ trailer moving but just hit the brakes in an emergency and see what that trailer puts your truck.

70k is way to much for these trucks they are in no way nice enough and comfortable enough for that asking price and b4 someone says its because of their capability then why is a work truck version 20k less

An 80's F250 was about $20k or less, and was far more capable than the junk they're building today. I'll have to check again but last I recalled my 88 F250 4x4 super cab long bed with the 460 V8 and 3 speed automatic was getting close to 900k miles on all the original drive/power train...only things done have been regular maintenance, belts, hoses, batteries, that type of stuff, engine & tranny have never been opened up. The junk they build today will be lucky to be still on the living side of the world in 10 years.

You do realize that was a computer calibration issue and not a mechanical one correct?

My 3.5l will make a 5.0 look like a peach

@@rustypliers74 until the turbo shits the bed at about 100k been there done that I'll stick to a good ole v8

It's purely a limitation of horsepower. Everyone always likes to salivate at the torque numbers, but seem to forget that horsepower is the measure of the rate at which the torque can be applied. It's all math and doesn't take much work to see where the diesel is going to lose it's advantage to the gas engine, in respect to putting power to the ground. There is actually a point in which the little 3.3L V6 base engine will put more power to the ground and walk away from the 3.0L powerstroke. It's purely a matter of engine speed and how the torque is multiplied through the transmission and final drive ratio. It's not rated to pull that much (why Ford?) but the 2.7L Ecoboost would walk away from the 3.0L pulling the same weight.

I agree with you all the way, just expected a little more....Thanks

This is true I've had my 7.3l for 18 years and have had many new f series trucks and they out perform the old 7.3l ten fold in stock form. However in the last 18 years the 7.3 has watched many trucks come and go and fail doing things it's done on a daily basis, my kill count is (2) 6.0 (1)6.4l my favorite of the trucks and (1) 6.7 , meanwhile I'm 500k on a modified 7.3 still going strong

@@desertdieselgang7985 that's why "there's no replacement for displacement". It's not the same thing to have a 250hp 3.0 liter engine vs a 7.3

Yes, I bought new several of those 454s and still have two today. One is a 1995 Chev HD 3500 dump truck with 82k original miles and another is a 1994 Chev regular duty 3500 service body with 78k miles both stock were junk! Since these were for commercial use they only come with a 12 month 12k warranty so after that we started the upgrades IE HD transmission coolers and engine oil coolers plus added elc fans, full exhaust replacement from the head to the tip, new cam, cold air intake, lower temp thermostat, reworked heads and valves. Yes it all helped but not enough so tried a couple complete engine rebuilds with all high performance parts,,,,,still not worth it and too many issues so bought a couple crate engines from Chev IE low compression 502 ci with 450 HP and one HD 502 ci 500 HP both were given better exhausts, and intakes which on the dyno put out 15% better than rated. This was now getting better until we had people unable to use this power who broke everything from front to back including the engines plus the fuel bills were worst than our full sized dump trucks with 15 liter diesels pulling trailers. The moral of the story is the new Ram 3500 Cummings or Ford 450/550 diesels we run now are light years ahead of any gasoline engine today in towing, long lasting durability and MPG. The lightest truck we use is the Ram 3500 and as for those two old low mileage chebbies,,,they are the garbage, fire wood and junk clean up rigs plus the ones the workers or friends can borrow anytime.

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Shawn Hudson where do you see what the payload is for this truck?

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I have a 2017 max tow 3.5 and my payload is just under 1600lbs. It would be over 2000 if I didnt have the 20" rims. I wonder if something similiar is at play here? Or is a Diesel just that much heavier?

3 inches of squat before they even went in the truck. Not while they were in the truck. So it wasn’t even fully loaded yet.

You aren't a Pro if you need ABS, traction control, stability control, 10+ airbags, park assist, backup assist, trailer backup assist, etc. You shouldn't be driving at all if you need any of those things.

William Todd My '92 Dodge has nothing on it and tows my Toy Hauler all over the US. Can't even tell you how many newer trucks I see on the side of the road with their hoods up.

I took the name to mean it helps average people backup like a "pro". Not a bad name.

No it just gives people who have no business pulling a trailer the idea that having a knob that will backup their trailer will make them capable of handling a vehicle and trailer...and neither have a good outcome. Common sense and IQ tests should be requirements of getting a license, a vehicle, and being able to do anything with that vehicle.

I'm sorry Dave, I cannot backup right now, my sensors are dirty. "WHAT WILL WE DO!?!?!?!?"

Now you know why they stopped making cars, they fail to compete in a reliable lasting manner.

It was not able to. It seems to be consistent with all I have read about the F150 diesel. Unloaded, it is a good engine, but it performs poorly under even a moderate trailer weight.

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It's a Fiat diesel thats the problem. I agree diesels are higher maintenance but I have the diesel Colorado and I do the oil and filters myself. I buy everything online and save money versus buying the stuff at the store. My Colorados fuel filters doesent have to change until about 30,000 miles or 50,000km, and I did those myself it was easy

Especially for the price, this truck would be a good if it was in the 35k range and came in an xlt

Needs about 280-300hp and it would be perfect. It's only a little short on power for the 11,500 lb towing

And you get a cheap, piece of shit peasant truck...

Kevin Gentry Pre-production truck that they didn’t have to send at all.

The Real John Smith pre production doesn't mean SHIT. You fan boys just use it as an excuse. This is the truck that ppl will be buying in a few months!

John Doe last time I checked pre production means it’s not in production and they’re still working out the kinks I don’t think you know what pre production means

Anyone that has worked at a car dealer has seen many new model release vehicles in the last few years that arrive and already have service messages to reflash this module or that module before sale. The assembly plants have to run and early builds often have software known to not be final and will be fixed before customer delivery. Obviously the software can get revisions at any time in the vehicle’s life. If you have your head up your ass and want to hate then stick your head back up your ass and disregard the truth from someone that works in the business (but not for any of the brands selling half ton PUs).

JynxxRebels it's in production you idiot! Have a reading comprehension problem?? This is what ppl will be getting in a few months!

stf-ran exactly. All these people crying about the retest obviously don't understand "preproduction" apparently. I work at KTP and we've ran a few 2019's this week. The window sticker says "NOT FOR SALE" across it. I know there is at least one new color, a new trim option, and a weird 450 option that may be coming as well.

Pennywise has nothing to do with testing the truck it's the fact that it's points for gold hitch. Test the truck all day that's great for consumers but to bring it back to up the score is wrong. Who says they can't run the truck the third time after ford fixes it's squatting issue as they stated , there's a few more points for gold hitch if they beaf up the suspension for test number three.

No worries until the truck goes to limp mode on the freeway at 80mph and you get your ass ran over by the semi-truck you were in front of when your sissified truck decided to shut itself down.

William Todd my 6.7 powerstroke shut me down on the highway with fifth wheel on. Dirty particulate filter. Why can't they give you a 500 mile warning, that way you can get home safe and make appointment at dealer. They would rather risk your life than pollute the air for a few miles.

stf-ran why test a preproduction vehicle then? Just curious because if it's nit a finished product why would you test it? Not trying to argue, to me it just doesn't make sense.

Yeah, this is an extreme test and is quite indicative of all the minor corrections that come out (software updates) for systems in vehicles once they get released to the public... Mfg'rs try to hit these points in testing, but still have to fix things like "vehicle won't restart after being started for a short period below -20f". From the video they were going downhill and off the throttle, so the grade shift logic probably told some system to do something it didn't expect or like, like the tcm allowing a shift (if they said the exact situation I missed it).... I personally don't see it as a big deal, even if it were a gm. Software fixes are inconvenient, but it's fixable and all human error in cause.

Oh paying customers will get the same piece of shit they "tested" in the video. There's a reason you are starting to see people pulling their old vehicles back out and getting them back on the road, they've got tired of all the electronic control nannies breaking and emptying their wallets.

Jay P then they shouldn't be comparing to the other production trucks thou then!

I doubt you'd be so vocal if it this truck was a Ram or GM that went into limp mode the first time around.

why try and absolve ford and the crap they put out. anything with your name on it should be good to go no matter what surcumstances

Southern Nevada offroading and back country I hear ya.I love my 1st Gen 3.5 eco.got 150k with a decent chunk towing Max capacity.

Biggest piece of shit ever!

Plastic oil pan and turbo no thanks. Let's see what it costs to maintain after 30 years like my idi . Or if it is even on the rd

@@robh6638 lol.....you definitely deal with oil leaks 🤣🤣

MPG is where these shine, we get 33-36 highway without effort and 25-28 city

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Get the 50 and throw a blower on it. Done and done

@@boho3785 The one advantage to the 5.0 is reliability but once you bolt on a blower that goes out the window plus they're prone to overheating. The EcoBoost will get better fuel economy, cheaper, and more reliable than a blown 5.0

Mark thanks. I assumed unless you went high boost some reliability stuck around. But since ecoboost has factory warranty....will probably win economically

Of course not, they're 1/2 ton trucks they're built to show off not be towing heavy loads, maybe your little boat, popup camp trailer, or a small travel trailer, but not huge 7k+ trailers...that's what 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are built for. Ford as well as other manufacturers love to play the towing/hauling numbers game but in reality they don't give a shit because once they have your money they're out of the picture, so when you hookup to that 12k trailer because Ford says that little 4 cylinder F150 can tow it and you go plowing through a line of cars that's your fault.

You're right but people here in the US are dumb enough to pay the price so automakers will continue to artificially inflate prices until people stop opening their wallets.

Well you are truly ignorant of the product. This truck has more options than the average Lexus. It will steer, stop and drive itself. Lane keep assist, auto stop, radar cruise, Has air conditioned seats, the only glass that isn’t power is the windshield. Tail gate is cool, 10 speed, power step. I’m not saying it’s a good idea or a good value but to SOME people having all this stuff is important and Ford is way ahead of dodge or Chevy in the technology department. I sat in a 50k Lexus and the f150 had more options more cache and guess what? It was faster off the line.

@@clintmullins4406 I know this is a long time ago but... thank you!!! Alot of people don't understand this!!

I got a great deal on it :)

Literally just watch a video on 3.0 duramax and someone comment on how my problems he is going to have with the chevy and how his 3.0 ford is bulletproof and has never even heard of any issues with them at all so i sent him this link...

For some it's a size issue.. super duty trucks are huge..

Price difference is extreme too vs 6.7

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Mike how are they biased?

Complexity let's send all the trucks back to the manufacturer for adjustments and fine tuning. TFL should re test all trucks because this here proves bias. And a large amount of it.

Mike hmmmm. They had to get a score for it, right? The truck is a preproduction model meaning something would more than likely go wrong as supposed a truck that’s already been out. Biased is a strong word. If any pp truck had a little glitch I’m sure they would get that fixed and actually test it, which is what they did. You act like the truck overheated or make it seem like it was a major problem😂😂 Again remember it’s a pp model, we know you wouldn’t be giving tfl shit if it was your favorite truck brand. Overall this was the right thing to do. Stop complaining.

Mike they are not biased, they needed to give it a score. ....unless you expect them to give it zero which helps no one

OneOneNineFilms that’s true. There’s no jake on these small diesels

Or a 125$ on a good day for oil change and fuel filters. Yeah gas trucks are the way to go unless you tow constant heavy weight that 13mpgs vs 8 mpgs a gas truck gets

timing belt!!

30+ mpg pays for allot of things. If you can't afford $100 oil changes you need a used and cheap truck, not a new one. The Eco boost has 2 turbos to fail and still has water problems in the intercooler etc etc

Matt Lopez no one is paying that much after all discounts. People are getting a $10k minimum discount for these models and 0% financing.

FORD4LIFE73 lariat at that!

14mpg vs 24mpg, F-250 much heavier truck and also larger if you don’t need a super duty.