Agree! Professional, but not over produced or fake.

Exactly!

what is a recluse?

And dont know about you but not to mention serious reliability issues with GS. I am considering throwing away my 2017 GS to get a bike that will not cost me 2000 euros every 6 months

@@karoloskoutsogiannopoulos9481 ... what was wrong with your GS?(

So what your opinion about both of it? A little comparison from you will be great.

How is it so far? Im on the fence about one also.

@@ShooterMedic1818 I absolutely love it man. Dct is different but I injured my foot a few years ago and made shifting terrible, the Rev matching is a symphony to my ears and so smooth. The bike is easy to ride extremely safe and while I haven't done to much single track yet, the suspension is great and I think will be fantastic. It's tall and at 5,10 I am on my tippy toes but getting used to that. The lower seating position helps. Overall good bike and a lot of dealers are giving great prices making room for the 2019s I got my a few grand under msrp

My adventure, touring will always be dct and my commuter electric.

Congrats. I got one too here in Iceland too. Being an owner of BMW GSA LC, that I live, I must say that the Honda is so much more fun....and the DCT is awesome. I hated the idea before I tried it....and bought it. Nothing compares

It does that just fine if you have the throttle control. Maybe not as good for a expert rider with a clutch, but we'd bet most could loft front wheel easier, without stalling, on the DCT bike. Over logs we'd be more concerned with the stock skid plate than with performance of the DCT.

You won't regret your choice..... AT ♥️

Did u ride the ktm 1090r and 1290SAR?

@@awakeadventurer9198 I was really looking forward to test riding the 1190 (looking so bad ass with so much power) 3 years ago but lost interest with increasing concerns about reliability and annoying details. Went for zzr1400 instead. I know, quite a jump. But I got my AT on Friday and started doing some grand debutant green laning and negotiating holes, ruts, etc in the dry on the stock Dunlop tyres. All I can say is: absolutely amazing. Perhaps they'll come up with a 1150 or 1200 version but there is nothing I would change on the AT as it stands apart from having a full crash bar from stock.

@@xontheweb2376 dude, very interesting. So funny....I had a 2013 ZX-14R til I traded it in for the 2015 R1200GSA. Very unique coincidence. I understand your concerns about the ktm. I've had them too. I hear two different experiences from different people, but my friends who own n ride them say just get one and you'll fall in love. Anyway, it's great to hear about your experience w your AT. Is it an ATAS? I'm looking for two things: the toughest off road capable adv bike and the one w cc, quick shifter and the TFT screen too. And it's all for practical reasons/needs. So it narrows the field for me. Watch, the ATAS will come with cc and other options next year, after I've bought another bike. In 2015, I was considering the AT, but it wasn't coming out for many months and wasn't gonna have cc etc. Really neat bike otherwise. So close to being the ultimate bike for me.

@@awakeadventurer9198 yes, I've got the ATAS. they may make a 1100 or 1200 version at some point. I'm sure the 1190 would be great to ride, not sure about ownership. The 1290 is not attractive to me. Loads of bikes are great. But I wanted total freedom so the ATAS is the one that will make it happen. In all situations, I have fun and don't miss the zzr at all.

We have not put enough time on one to comment on this. But only believe 22% of what you are reading on the internet...

More specifics and the reason you'd disconnect the power?

We have ridden the manual as well. Everything is 99% the same. Manual feels just a little bit more nimble (not 40 pounds though, maybe 20) and the shifting and clutch action of the manual is just fine. Clutch action is smooth and has a long through, not a lot of bite in comparison to a hydraulic unit on a KTM.

People are very interested and it’s the direction bikes will be going in the next decade, especially for ADV. Several manual reviews. I’ve got a manual AT, awesome bike off road. Rode a DCT recently and it’s amazing how well they have it set up

Kenda Big Blocks

In what way? And why? For sure anything is possible. How it would affect the DCT and shift points would be interesting for sure.

I personally think Honda is pushing the dtc

I've got a ktm 1290 sar and I'm sure the africa twin is a great bike whether manual or DCT it's just most reviewers seem to prefer a manual but always say Honda gave them a DCT. Can't blame them I guess if they want to sell more DCT's

I am riding manual Africa over 1 year over 24.000 km. Now I tried DCT version to have an comparision. Believe me, there is no comparision. DCT is absolutely gorgeous. Now I am thinking about changing to DCT.

Maybe a demo bike with DCT has a less down to the toilet money for the dealer because you can't fuck up a DCT in his RPM... for his brake in period. (Ok manual is possible) so i rather buy a dct demo than a manual one. Maybe the dealers think this also

I am in agreement. I like the feel of clicking that shifter lever.... tired of all these bikes built for casuals.

Ive seen 132 on mine so far . Cruised with the traffic in Tennessee on the interstates at 90 to 95 for two days ending up at deals gap .from there back to Indy in one day riding and it didnt wear me out doing it ! Believe it or not the moose racing wind shield really works , wearing the honda arai helmet i didnt get any wind buffeting at the speeds i was cruising at ..i dont know what people are thinking ,but in southern Kentucky and Tennessee on the way to the tail of the dragon , if you aint running at around 90 miles an hour you are getting pasted about every 15 seconds with someone on your tail too close .so i kicked the ol' africa twin up in the triple-digits for about a half hour at a time to get clear out of the packs they like to run in

I have ridden big bore xr's on the street since 1985 and i always found that if you gave them more damping rebound on the rear leaving all other settings default they handled great on or off the road ..and my africa twin is no different, so i gave it about 5 clicks heavier on the rear rebound , now it lands on the rear wheel first after a jump and it does not fell like in wants to endo going down steep hills like it did before ..but be careful if do this cause too much rebound will cause the suspension to pack down and bottom out before it has time to recover from the last technical sections

He is referring to its application in motorcycles...duh.

At 70% road, there are better bikes with more road focus. But for a bike with so much off-road ability it will not ever disappoint you when on pavement.

@@DirtBikeTest What would be the choice in this case?

Aggressive riding, KTM1290R, relaxed BMW 1200GS

Im riding both std africatwin and adventure sports... i did my trip alots on road and i never got any trouble cause the bike is relaidble comfort and stable with hight speed

@@DirtBikeTest Ktm 1290R isn't a lot better offroad than the BMW? And why not put Suzuki Vstrom 1000 there, isn't it ok for 70%?

We spend the time riding the bike and learning about it more than shooting a lot of running video. That takes a fair bit of time. Maybe in the future we'll try for a bit more.

I don't understand the question? Seat height wise? First I need to know how much you ride with your feet touching the ground, then discuss the reason seat height is such an important sales feature but not practical for riders above the beginner level.

Axel, I’m the same ht as you and have owned the ATAS since June. I also purchased the lower seat which helped considerably. No issues for me.

At some point traveling to and from your destination you’re going to encounter stop lights. With that weight plus luggage and everything in it, that’s when seat height will matter. I can see why he’s asking that question.

@@leroyjones769 yeah, this KZfaq channel is full of dicks. Unsubbing.

I'm also 5' 7" and use me seat on the higher position, you need time to adapt but it's really not a big issue, you'll get used to it. Adjust your position (move your ass left or right) and take notice of the ground below before you stop it. If the ground isn't leveled be aware of it prior or else you're going to loose your footing. My AT has only falled stopped because of the unleved ground. Another advice is, put your foot in front of the footpeg if you're sttoping going up and vice-versa if you're going down. I think that 5' 7" is the absolute minimum height to use the higher seat position. Riding there are no problems for me, stopping is when you need to be aware of whete you stand.

Explain a little more please?

After the original? Which was based on a Dakar model? Note that back then Dakar used to actually take place in Africa :)

It's 23 lbs iirc

No, The Honda is way better in every aspect from ergonomics to suspension and moatly not feelng so top-heavy even with a larger motor.

Is it as good as a DR650 offroad?

@@JayBee-se8ou no, because of the weight, two different animals.

Hate to say it but we agree with you.

Main tester is 5'10" and his wife, 5'8" also has no issues with bikes like this being too big. It (they) are the right size for the job of adventure touring.

RC - I’m 5’ 10”, thin (except for my gut), sparsely muscled, with a 30” inseam, 72 year old guy who’d never ridden an adventure bike nor dirt bike. I understand your apprehension surrounding the Africa Twin . I’d much the same fear of such a high seat height. I’d owned a couple of standard bikes, sport touring, Luxor’s tourers and my last bike was an Indian Chieftain. However, comfort and slow speed handling became an issue along with the desire to ride something different and something lighter than the 700-800 lb bikes I had been. All it took for me was a 20 min test ride on the standard Africa Twin with the DCT to overcome most of my fears. I’ll admit that 32 years of riding experience added to my confidence in being able to adjust to my physical shortcomings when riding the AT and realized there would be a period of time before I would feel comfortable riding it. I don’t know why I’m able to ride for extended period of time on the AT without getting a sore ass or a backache that were always plaguing me with most bikes I’d been riding. Ergonomics I suspect. Having some arthritis in my hands dictated I go with the DCT and I could not be more happy with that choice. RC, just take a test ride and I think you’ll find that you’re more capable to ride the AT than you think. Don’t forget to put the sear in its lowest position.

I'm only an inch taller than you and I didn't find it to be too tall at all.

They don't...We requested it. We know how a regular transmission works and the AT with the normal transmission is just fine. It might feel just a little bit lighter, but not much.

Dirt Bike Test Thanks for the response! It wasn't anything bad directed towards you guys. Legitimately one of the best reviews I have seen on the AT, its just that I have not seen any review at all with the standard transmission.

Jimmy Lewis rides more like a girl, we know.

I wouln't have minded having the little shift-gnome for lazy evenings or city riding. You can provide passive or active input to the DCT and even do it manually via pedals or foot shifter if you so please. The only thing not to like is the way it accellerates from a standstill.

"real men ride Haley's and never tell anyone about that time they made out with a dude at Sturgis because... I'M NOT GAY, HE WAS GAY."

The review is an accurate review of the bike for its intended market. And some of us like looking at ourselves...

@@DirtBikeTest I appreciate what you guys do, because WE all really need real detailed reviews. However, I struggle to believe this is entirely honest because you guys don't show any real passion or excitement about this bike w the DCT. And CLEARLY Honda is pushing this bike big-time since they seem to give the DCT version to most reviewers. I'm not interested in it so it's a bummer. I know I'm not the only one since I watch n read everything I can find. Just my experience n perception. Maybe you're just being fair n giving it a chance. That's cool. I have to say I love your response to Robson Enduro. Made me laugh out loud! Thank you!

@Robson Enduro: exactly what I think, Jimmy Lewis if I'm not mistaken was a Dakar rider and he is promoting DCT ??? come on...

You are correct there for the average KZfaq viewer, but for someone interested in the information, they will listen. You should try a Tech Talk Taco Tuesday that we do, you'll hate that!

Your time worth that much.....