Absolutely 💯 percent correct the offensive player is causing a lot of that extra contact on most of those plays but it was a few hits that were flat out blatant

Yess

Phoenyx 787 fr bro

@@Halfcocked1222 a 6'5 QB in a full squat is about 3 feet above the ground, but go off

That's an instinctual reaction that does not warrant a flag

Yeah but u can’t lead with ur head and clash into his head I get what u saying but I mean it’s still head to head contact

Take off the helmet and im pretty sure guys will stop leading with there heads. No one uses there head in rugby as first contact as you will injury yourself, shoulder and wrap up really isn't hard.

@@chillzzz3513 Yeah but would you rather get a concussion and be back in weeks or would you rather have knee ligaments torn and be out for a year or maybe for your career.

BigBoy D yeah but I mean if they let u keep getting hit to the head it will cause ur brain to be damaged severely plus will effect u later on plus could cause death if u had brain problems and didn’t know or u did

@@chillzzz3513 Yeah but that is the price you pay from playing a collision sport plus those hits don't happen all that often plus every hit you take or give will have some damage anyway.

Norman Hopkins or penalize them, because the defense/offense can’t do anything about that

i agree

The helmet is so bulky with both collide, the defender is just gonna catch the blame regardless...

Honestly, you don’t want to get hit in the head the don’t dip your shit into the defenders shoulder

You do realize the reason players lower their heads when they are about to be hit is instinct? This is because you lower your own center of gravity and make it more possible to either survive the hit or slip the tackle. As an offensive player that is how you avoid taking more damage as well, as your head and body doesn't fall from as high up as if you were standing straight up, not to mention the posture also usually ensures the butt or base of the back will hit the ground first rather than a shoulder head or neck (This is why blindside hits are an issue as players cannot get into this defensive posture in time). When people keep saying players who lower their heads are the issue, it frustrates me. The helmet should not be used as a weapon on offense or defense, but I want you to try and run a 40-yard dash or another similar activity while keeping your head upright, it will prove to be much less effective than if you did the same while lowering your head. It's how our bodies function, you can hate the rule all you want, and in my opinion parts of it need to be changed to ensure the helmet is used less offensively, but we shouldn't be blaming offensive or defensive players for lowering their head to make a play or keep themselves safe, all that should be punished is hitting people with the crown of the helmet, offense or defense.

Exactly They want them to go low but that’s just going to end a players season

Torn ligament vs brain injury...hmmmm

@@brianschaffer9220 You must never have torn a ligament before. I would honestly take multiple concussions over a torn ACL any day, especially as an Athlete. Torn ACL’s ruin careers.

@@Hydrant_Hero brain injuries screw up your entire life. But yeah, let's be more worried about an injury that, at worst, messes up your walking, and possibly can be corrected...

@@Hydrant_Hero You must have not realized that hitting on the head/neck can create whiplash strong enough to snap the neck. Yeah, let's risk paralysis or death. Good idea.

That because cop know is bullshit that why he laughed everyone know call was bullshit

@@wilfordfootball79 That was actually the right call. Although he delivered the hit with his shoulder, it was to the head or neck area. Any time a player delivers a hit to the head or neck area, that is targeting and has grounds for disqualification.

led with head down, obvious targeting

That's by design. They want high scoring games that are geared to offenses favor. That's why a WR can shove and push to get open in todays game but the defender can't simply put his hand on the back of a WR while going for the ball. Hell might as well turn on WWE at this point their hits are more real than Football.

@@martinmccormick2166 nope. Football would be sued into oblivion if they didn’t stop this. Literally covering up and hiding the facts that using your head as a weapon will directly lead to severe brain issues with a significantly increased risk of life shortening elements with a large desire to kill oneself.

Plenty of defenders do their job without getting these calls...what are you even talking about...you make it sound like this happens every second play.

Jake N Bake dude same I miss the old days where college athletes could absolutely rail someone right in the noggin or lead with their head into a tackle 👏 brain damage and possible spinal injuries are overrated who needs a properly working brain or a fully functioning spinal cord anyway

David 1298 no I miss the old days when football players were warriors. When you could touch the QB and not get ejected. Before players were taught to launch like missiles at each other. I played when we actually TACKLED the ball carrier. Sure there were injuries but it’s football, there will always be contact. First they start selling pink jerseys to you fruitcakes and before you know it they have changed the game to an almost unrecognizable point in just 15-20 years.

@@david-bo2mo Dude, if you don't want to get injured, don't play the game, it's that simple. Of the hits shown, how many of the defenders were actively trying to injure the opposing player. I'm gonna say MAYBE one or two. Most if the others, they're turning trying to lead with their shoulder, but there's another person who's also moving. It's not always a defenders fault when he goes helmet to helmet. It can also be the quarterbacks fault for hanging his receiver out to dry or even the receiver when they conveniently turn/duck into the hit. Idk how a 6'6" DB is supposed to hit a guy who's 6' if it's not in the head.

Nathan Schlenker if you shoot someone trying to injure them but they end up dying it’s still murder just because you tried doing something that ended up having consequences you didn’t intend because of some other factor doesn’t mean you shouldn’t still be punished for it

@@david-bo2mo So, why not just penalize everyone who injures someone? Your analogy is terrible

The hit heard around the world

Today Clowney would have immediately been handcuffed after that hit and been charged with a crime...

He lowered the crown of the helmet and made contact to Lawrence's head, by rule that's targeting

Not targeting in my opinion. By the rules wording it is targeting but when you watch the play Trevor Lawrence lowered his head causing Wade to hit him in the head. If Lawrence stayed up that would have been a clean hit straight to the midsection. I firmly believe they need to look at the offensive player as well in the replays. A lot of times if the offensive player doesn't lower their head then it's a clean hit.

Shouldn't be an ejection too much flying around and such. Why can't they just sit for a drive or a quarter even? Make it the second time an ejection maybe?

@@raywhichway1790 true

@@mrglass1637 targeting is not just hitting someone in the head. Targeting is any contact made with the crown of the helmet. If he lowered that helmet and Trevor didnt(it was an instinctual reaction anyway not on purpose) it wouldve still been targeting

If you dip your head, you won't see the duck. If keep eyes up, you can adjust.

@@nahhfam7678 Agreed that tackles should be made heads-up, but things happen way too quickly for the defensive player to react and adjust to a split-second pad drop.

Nahh Fam it’s pretty hard for anybody to react that quickly. A lot of the time the defender has already committed to the tackle when the ball carrier ducks

The targeting calls are getting out of hand, and then in college it takes "clear and convincing evidence" in order to overturn the dumbass refs call. They are now just calling it on any hard hit.

Somebody get a hold of David Rooks, we got another "idiot" over here. 🤣🤣🤣.

They've changed it so much that it's now basically any time the offensive player ducks, the defensive player is thrown out of the game. Doubly so if the offensive player is a QB. Triply if he's a star QB. There used to be more elements of intent to it, like "launching" yourself at a receiver, or hitting a defenseless player.

It all depends on how stupid the tackler is!!!!!

@@leifjohnson617 Grown ups are talking here, so calm down slowhead. You are clearly a TROLL. LOL

All calls are subjective.

@@walterarrit5511 Yea, subjective to the rules. American Intermediary 9/20/23

Yup gruesome ass leg injuries. Like them lil ass kneepads gonna stop a blow from a 200lbs guy.

@@RunRandolphRun what’s next they aren’t allowed to tackle them at all?

@@whywhyerson9910 don’t be dumb . They wanna lower the target so you’ll get those injuries. I don’t mind seeing hits up top🤷🏾‍♂️ besides you can clearly see a “target call” when the player launches his helmet. Some are incidental and still penalized.

@@RunRandolphRun I was just joking. I was just making a point that targeting is just a overall dumb thing to have

Might as well play flag football

I think the NFL is script

@@marshalllogan2368 No, college level refs are trying to work their way up to being professional ones, which is why they're stingy on a lot of calls.

@@Horible4 wow this comment is very underrated. I never thought of it that way.

@@marshalllogan2368 DING DING DING finally someone got it! Yes the NFL is scripted, if they actually let these players play and make the refs be neutral and not make bad calls on PURPOSE then things would go so differently. F'k the NFL

The NFL, as with College and even at the High school level officials are coached what they are to be looking for and what they want called and what they don’t. In the NFL I have never seen targeting called on an offensive player. I’ve seen it called in College but it wasn’t called on a ball carrier. At the High school level while it is called on the defense more, I have seen it called on the offense as well, including on ball carriers. Personally I don’t blame the referees. Those officials are graded each game. The administration over the officials are instructing them on what they want to see called and not called. Anything outside of their set parameters gives them a down grade. I think they are putting the bigger responsibility on the defense because it takes the judgement out of the call. As it is, for the referee they’re not really judging if the runner lowered late. It’s just a matter of where was the contact and with what? Now is that fair for the defense? Not usually. However if the defense knows this going in, and they would lower their target zone to the belt line and not lead with the crown of the helmet they would see the number of targeting calls go down significantly.

No need to prove you wrong because they lost. Ohio state stays getting robbed.

I felt that call changed the momentum of the game and was a key reason we lost

@Brandon what are they supposed to do give qb a hug and wrap them up in baby blanket launching should only be targeting the rule sucks

@Brandon How can a quarterback who is ducking still be in a passing posture?

Ha, you were already proven wrong at game time dumbass.

I agree. I've seen quite a few times where it looks like the ball carrier deliberately lowers his head to try and draw the targeting flag.

True, that's a big sportsmenship, Shaun Wade couldve ended his career

Yeah Shaun Wades career has taken a dip though sadly. He was projected first round but now he’s slotted 73rd overall to the Jets for the 2021 draft.😔

Crown of the helmet into an ear hole. It’s a lot more targeting than a lot of them that are called.

dude how was that b.s? The dude literally led with his helmet?

Clemson was handed that game, poor Tracey took a hit and the whole SEC/ ACC refs came together for a common "fuck you" cause

He literally hit him helmet to helmet. That’s to a t the rule

That's what needs to be changed ots all defenses fault when sometimes if the offensive player didn't lean head first into it it wouldn't have been helmet to helmet

Blow out knees every single time and the rule will change. This nonsense has to stop.

Still dirty either way since he knew the QB was gonna slide... two defenders infront of him and he was already in the stance to slide and he still dove for the tackle.

@@enkica123 I seen the QB dodging and serpentine pattern weaving through the defense. Nothing in my head is telling me he’s gonna slide.

“You gotta come up” Lmfaooo shits retarded man

this is why you are wrong, targeting is called usually when a receiver is catching a ball, he is looking at the ball, the defensive player is looking at the offensive player, which means he has longer to react, if the defensive players would STOP using their helmets to hit with there would be no targeting, the offensive player is ALLOWED to protect themselves

David Rooks broooooo ur trippin Ford hit him with his shoulder. He didn’t lower his head at all. The reciever lowered his head so what was Ford suppose to do not make the takle

@@aidancamerota9524 do you even understand the rule?? you can NOT hit to the head, this means a shoulder is still targeting

@@aidancamerota9524 which targeting call are you talking about, let's make sure we are on the same page, talking about the same thing

@@davidrooks3274 If a player is able to assume a defensive posture (ie. defending himself) he is not defenseless. The act of lower you helmet into a defensive player initiating helmet to helmet contact when he would at best have hit you in the ribs means you are not defending rather you are attacking. The first two plays of the video that is exactly what the offensive player did. Deliberately aiming for the head and neck particularly when the opposing player is in a position of vulnerability, or can not see you is what this penalty is supposed to protect against. If your going to call it on every play where head to head contact is made then it needs to apply to offensive players as well. How many times have you seen an offensive player lower their head to initiate contact when a defender is hip level yet they don't get called for targeting. "THE RULE AS ENFORCED IS BIASED".

I didn't think so at first until they showed they other angle. Idk though most of these calls are bs

That was the worst targeting call I’ve seen in a while. Ended up sparking a comeback from Clemson. Game changing call that was absolutely awful. Like apparently defenders can’t make someone feel a hit anymore. Like what’s next, defenders can’t hit the QB at all because they might be sore the next day? Terrible call.

K Pasa you are taught at a young age to lower your head to protect yourself as a defender, but to move you head to the side so that you hit them with your shoulder. Helmet to helmet should be a flag, unless the offensive player ducks down into it. But there is a difference between the player tucking to protect themselves, ducking to try and go through you and ducking to slide or go down.

@@trueterror3099 I get it...no argument here- other than your taught to lower your head as a defender...you're never taught that if someone has a clue what they are teaching. You're taught low man wins, not duck your head and lower it

There are plays when I ask how the officials expect the defender to make any play. The one you mention is one of those. Another is a targeting call against Kentucky when they played Florida. Similar situation. QB drops head forward all but diving forward. If the defender lets up, he is getting juked or bowled over. Also, did you see the offensive linemen holding AND hands to the face?

sheldy86 yes

idc what anyone says if ohio wins its bs

sheldy86 I’m a Bucks fan so I am biased, but that game was so poorly officiated for OSU it still hurts. OSU didn’t play perfect by any means, but the refs kept Clemson in the game on multiple bad calls.

@@kelleyboy3 Yeah, I think LSU would have still won the title, but as an Iowa fan that was among the most furious I have ever been about a game that didn't involve my team. Sadly, I think some crews actively try to swing games so that certain conferences or media stuff will benefit.

Why play brand the football business anymore?

It's not on the refs they're doing their jobs. The NCAA is the one making the rules that the refs are forced to enforce

Gage Jernigan they’re garbage rules. The truth is u can’t draw a line with these thing so in my opinion if someone isn’t blatantly speaking into another players head then all hits like these should be legal

Maybe you shouldn't lead with your head than. Also maybe you shouldn't cheap shot a defenseless player. Just saying. 🤷‍♂️

noname that’s the issue.... some players are going for the big hit regardless of where the Offensive player gets hit.... but on the flip side.... Ed McCaffrey and a lot of other players give themselves up too late and it somehow falls on the defender to pull up and keep from making that offensive player pay the toll.... and a lot of times, it’s all just angles and instinctual reactions that put players in bad positions to get hurt... Defense is a lot harder to play when it comes to the officiating.

@K A apples and oranges buddy. If a quarterback is sliding down the defensive player MUST back off. Theres no reason to play dirty if you do then get off the field simple as that.

Just to add, while I understand the importance of a good targeting call, the amount of times that a bullshit targeting call is called its just doesn't balance out. Remove targeting so players are not afraid to hit and maybe institute a new separate call that is only used for blatant and non arguable targeting

@XzMattBonkerzX so if a player comes and hits a player so hard that he passes out he shouldn’t be accounted for it?

@@ImBackHEHEHE that’s just football man 14 years ago I seen a guy get hit so hard his helmet flew off and went 15 yards I enjoy the old school football before this bs

The game would be so much better if they just removed the ejection. The rule is dumb and has many flaws, but the ejection is dumber.

@@jantzenallen3077 Ya its like..why did they invent seat belts? What about those good old days where people would constantly fly through the windshield when they collided with something? Or all of those new pesky work safety changes/updates they have made over the years. God..when a man lost a limb or something else it was just so manly and hot...bring those days back.

Andrea Liskovec second one was targeting tho

Alot of these are bs there getting hit in the chest and shoulder

@@dylanthomas4370 That doesn't matter if they get hit in the chest and the shoulder. If the defender leads with the crown of the helmet, that is textbook definition of targeting.

I disagree that it was a bad call. It was helmet to helmet. When that happens, it is almost always a targeting penalty with an ejection that follows. It was the right call.

targeting was called because Wade lowered his head and made contact with the crown of his helmet, watch the video again and see where Wade is looking at the point of contact, it wouldn't matter if LT hadn't tried to protect himself, Wade would have still made contact up high with the CROWN of his helmet, is his head looking at LT when he contacts?? no, he is looking down, BAD TECHNIQUE, watch some of Wade's other videos, he ALWAYS lowers his head and it with the crown, this time it cost him

@@davidrooks3274 it wasn't called...there was two refs right on top of it and no flag was thrown...the call was made in the booth because of who it was and how it looked

@@kylew.4896 there are a LOT of targeting calls that are called from the booth, why? because they have the advantage of replay, it still doesn't change the fact that Wade lowered his head and made helmet to helmet contact with the CROWN of his helmet, this was a GOOD targeting call, watch some of Wades other videos, you will see he ALWAYS lowers his head, this tie he got caught

I don’t know about Wade getting called, but Chase Young’s lucky he didn’t get ejected for the literal chokehold takedown he did at the end of that play.

@@wiscy4306 that I can agree with, people here talk about targeting requiring intent, it doesn't, but LT could have had a career ending injury because of Chase, that actually looked like he was trying to injure

I always thought the final score told you need to know.

@@Seattle-2017 that tells you who advances to lose to LSU. Nothing about targeting tho.

49-28

They have to change it to contain flagrant levels as the NBA does

They called it because he led with his crown of his helmet. That's the first thing that touches TLaw.

Dorian B it doesn’t matter if the shoulder does the hitting if it’s the head of the opposing player getting hit. They are trying to minimize head injury.

It doesn’t matter if it’s helmet to helmet or not, if you hit their head it’s targeting

Read the rule my guy. Launching into head or neck.

@@seamus1956 he made forcible contact to the head or neck area

I agree. Defenses in the NFL should go on strike.

Yes it was

By rule it was because Lawrence ducked into it last second. They do it on purpose when they're screwed to try to draw the flag. Until the offense is penalized for obviously trying to draw the flag, this will lead to more injuries.

It wasnt. Trevor lowered his head.

He was clearly aiming for the chest and Lawrence lowered his head. Not targeting, unfortunate accident. Targeting should only be called when it's blatantly clear the player was attempting to hurt another player.

@@Kana-vx2ec he lowered his head, about 6", it WAS targeting because he led with the crown of his helmet, and no, targeting doesn't require you to be actively trying to hurt the player, it's called for using bad technique, which is what this was, you should NEVER lead with the crown of the helmet, this would have been targeting even if the hit was at the shoulders, why?? crown of the helmet

@@dre10blood he lowered his head about 6", but it was still a hit with the crown of the helmet, good call

@@davidrooks3274 He bends completely over. 6'' ? No way. Any the CB's crown never even makes contact with Lawrence if he doesn't bend over. His crown would go completely to the front of him. This was a garbage call, championed by soft fans.

Ryan Waid that may be the most factual statement ever said

There are two types of people who would disagree. Clemson homers and people who hate Ohio State. Everyone else can see it. It made what was otherwise a great game unwatchable.

cry... cry baby

The call was correct and that’s clearly targeting. Ohio state fans just mad they lost . Go Clemson Tigers

@@logansimpson305 Correct, obviously. They are sad pathetic coping whiners

Plenty of bad calls in this video, but the Lawrence one was definitely correct. Defender had a stationary target and still managed to go helmet to helmet.

No he wasn’t laying on the ground because he got targeted chase young twisted Lawrence’s body when he was making the tackle

@@papi3466 fr that's what Ohio fans don't mention

Bolby Ballinger, you mean by Lawrence lowering his head? When you're a safety and going for a tackle full speed, if the qb lowers his head while you're going for his torso, it's bound to be a helmet on helmet collision. Nothing the safety could've done while going that fast trying to make a tackle. The targeting calls as a whole were a joke and glad they adjusted them for this year on out.

@@zacharyhewlett4648 You do realize the reason players lower their heads when they are about to be hit is instinct? This is because you lower your own center of gravity and make it more possible to either survive the hit or slip the tackle. As an offensive player that is how you avoid taking more damage as well, as your head and body doesn't fall from as high up as if you were standing straight up, not to mention the posture also usually ensures the butt or base of the back will hit the ground first rather than a shoulder head or neck (This is why blindside hits are an issue as players cannot get into this defensive posture in time). When people keep saying players who lower thier heads are the issue, it frustrates me. The helmet should not be used as a weapon on offense or defense, but I want you to try and run a 40-yard dash or another similar activity while keeping your head upright, it will prove to be much less effective than if you did the same while lowering your head. It's how our bodies function, you can hate the rule all you want, and in my opinion parts of it need to be changed to ensure the helmet is used less offensively, but we shouldn't be blaming offensive or defensive players for lowering their head to make a play or keep themselves safe, all that should be punished is hitting people with the crown of the helmet, offense or defense.

Speak💯 agree100%

Ok sure just give everyone concussions then

@@gagejernigan5277 not everyone gets concussions lol calm down soccer mom

@@mrsaturdaytm7558 but they are at a higher risk of concussion if targeting is never enforced bc defensive players will do what they want and intentionally try to take people out

@@gagejernigan5277 WICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE GAME these grown men KNOW the risks ECT ect I knew the risks when I played ECT ECT

It has nothing to do with whether or not Lawrence was defenseless. Wade initiated contact with the crown of his helmet into Lawrence's head. Even if TLaw didn't duck it still would've been a targeting call by the definition of the rule.

@@Jcon-gy1pb wasn't targeting

The most dangerous thing about the play was chase young coming in after the fact, and that was a perfectly legal hit

@@michaelkirshner3099 the funny thing is, if the Clemons QB DIDN'T lower his his head, chase would not have to grab so low and pull him like that, the irony of that is by Trever tring to get a call he put his heath in real danger where if wade head him tighter chase could have snapped him all around or broke his leg.. just man up and take the hit or toss the ball i hate how QB get treated like babies, its the only thing making me hate football

As of 2022 lot of players getting their legs broken because of this and there's mostly in college right now

Are you stupid or something?

Matthew Hall Are you stupid for thinking that it’s funny?

@@RedCard94 im serious... this aint a joke. no helmets dudes would not be leading with their heads.. rugby anyone?

“Safety” gear is more often than not “Unsafe” gear. Prime example: MMA gloves. They protect the delicate hands, allowing full power punches to the head. Or Boxing gloves. Again: protecting hands so more force can be delivered to head. When a punch power meter tested bare fists , MMA gloves, and boxing gloves, the boxing gloves hit hardest. The same principle in football. Helmets allow harder and more dangerous hits. They’re a weapon. If you take away fight gloves and helmets, then the players are much more careful to not hurt themselves in the process.

Ben Freeman I’m down for some rugby

he was called for targeting, and it was a good call

Wade or Young?

David Rooks I don’t think so. Most of these calls aren’t good as the offensive player was lowering themselves to the defenders level. If the offensive player leads with their helmet and causes me to hit their helmet then I don’t think that should be targeting and I think that is most of these calls

@@theswitch1028 here is the reason for this rule, the offensive player is paying attention to the ball, the defensive player is paying attention to the offensive player, that is why they include "defenseless" player in the definition, if you hit helmet to helmet while a RECEIVER is in the process of catching a ball it IS targeting, LT only lowered his helmet to protect himself, and he didn't lower it as much as everyone is claiming OR the contact with HIS helmet would have been with his crown, if Wade does NOT lead with the crown this wouldn't be targeting, watch the video again, they show several angles, and one clearly shows he lowered his head, is looking DOWN and made contact with the crown, I have watch other videos of Wade and he ALWAYS leads with his crown, this is using the helmet as a weapon, if he keeps his head up guess what?? no more targeting calls

@@davidrooks3274 so 95% of all tackles are targeting? Got it...