You also have some hefty tires compared to the brand new one with the highway tires

@@deaa4834You’re right, that definitely explains the majority of the mpg difference. The extra unsprung mass probably isn’t helping its acceleration off the line either. Still… that eTorque packs a punch.

Just subscribed after finding you on mikes channel 👍

Don’t let your mirrors cross over to the oncoming lane or you will be liable and it gets expensive.

Good to meet you too, Mike. Did you make it home last night?? 😅

Yep! Video drops today at noon!

@@MonkeyWrenchMike awesome! Can’t wait to watch it. And glad you made it!

I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. Thank you!

Thanks Jim. 3.92 w etorque would be a great setup. No new truck for me yet, but something will be coming one of these days.

Agreed that probably made a difference. But 40% is substantial.

My thought exactly…

I have a 2020 LTD with AT tires and when I tow my Tritoon between VA and MI I get 10-12MPG going through the mountains in PA. I have the e-torque and 3.92 gears.

In my opinion, a 10 mile mpg test gives no meaningful information anyway. It’s so short that any small change from one test to the next can make big change in the results. 2nd, you mentioned having returned the one truck to stock tune, did that clear adaptive learning? Was it still going through the relearning process during your mpg test?

I haven’t tried those yet. Did they have an option between tow and non tow mirrors?

@@MrJustinWheeler yes, my 2006 had the tow mirrors upgrade. Imagine the ram dumbo mirrors that are pulled in closer to the vehicle.

Thank you! It’s in pretty good shape. Been holding up well.

I wanted to do a head-to-head race between the two trucks but we didn’t have time. I have a feeling the e-torque would have won.

@MrJustinWheeler Just for information, I enjoyed watching your video Justin from a Boise Idaho Hospital ICU, recovering from a open heart triple bi-pass operation that was done last Wednesday. Too weak to go home but always a good time seeing a upload from you my friend.

I’m thinking you don’t really understand how e-torque works at all. It’s only there for the auto start/stop feature & doesn’t add anything to the hp/tq rating of the Hemi. It’s way for Stellantis to gain a couple points with the epa & buy some time until the next engines are ready.

@jeffs2809 I listened to a Engineeer who worked on the system & what I stated mirrored his, because initially I turned it off.

@@vinniecorleone62 I don't believe you can "turn-off" e-torque. I've heard of plenty of trucks being disabled due to failures of components of the e-torque system. Now, you can disable auto start/stop. The Ram engineer I watched describing the e-torque system was specifically asked if it improved towing performance. He said the system was only for start/stop & it's only operational up to 1500 rpm. Have you ever noticed that Hemi truck HP/Tq ratings don't change with or w/o e-torque?

And it’s a nice one!

Thank you@@MrJustinWheeler

you should put a front plate on that truck

That’s true. I don’t think they would make THAT much difference.. but we may have to reconduct this test after Randy upgrades to some Nittos.

@@MrJustinWheeler You wouldn't think that, but I have a 2020 Limited with the 3.92 rear. Going from the OEM to a set of Nitto Terra Grappler G2 knocked down about 2 MPG. And that's just daily driving and highway, not towing anything. This happened with my 2014 Laramie Ram as well. You'd be amazed what the auto industry will do to make the EPS ratings and future goals on a vehicle. Next time you're under your Ram, look at the coolant lines they have running to things like the differential and transmission. They aren't meant to keep them cool, they initial warm up the fluid to make it less viscus, and therefore, more fuel economical.

I went from stock tires to all terrain tires, one or 2 sizes up. They are heavier for sure. Lost about 2 mpg with my 2013 6 speed transmission. Went from like 17 mpg to 15 mpg.

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Check for the new RAM!! They just released the new RAM in their channel they are going to use the hurricane engine for gas versions

@@emergencyrock94 don’t worry I saw it the day it came out lol. I can’t wait to try one.

Yeah there is and I wonder how much that difference that had to do with the gas mileage. My MPG's dropped about 2 mpg's when I went from the 285/45r22's stock to the 305/45r22's Justin has on. I'm sure there's some difference with the etorque but I doubt all 3 mpg difference came from that alone. Interesting comparison though! I wanted the non-etorque just because I just came from a vehicle with all sorts of electronic engine problems but it does seem to work well.

Etorques been out for 6 years now and very few people have reported issues

That’s a good point. I didn’t even realize it when I was driving.

Agree. I’d upgrade my 21 3500 LongHorn Limited but I don’t want to give up the classy steering wheel. Really sharp

No question they cut corners. I got a 2023 1500 limited longhorn, had the 2018 2500 cummins longhorn. No comparison- old 2500 totally superior.

Glad I bought my '22 Limited and this is a big reason why. Seems like they did away with several features on the '23+

How’s it held up after it’s been broken in?

@@zacharymundell8508 running like a champ. Been 15 below plug the block heater in couple hours and starts up purring!

Good info

Tires were definitely different. I have the ridge grapplers and Randy still had the stock tires. Funny you mention it, but I’m way overdue for spark plugs. I just got some new ones on a couple days ago. I’ll be installing them soon.

@@MrJustinWheeler So I’m thinking those ridge grapplers were costing you mileage compared to the stock tires on the 2023. And those old plugs likely aren’t as efficient as his new ones. My educated guess is that was the cost difference in gas mileage! It would be super interesting to see the comparison with same tires and a tune up. I’m not buying that etorque making a 3 mpg difference especially in that short trip. Now, IF you were waiting in a long McDonalds line at the drive thru a number of times, the etorque could make a difference by shutting off the engine between the stop and goes but it would take a lot of miles to actually generate any realistic difference. I Love the vids of course, but if you do a comparison it needs to be on an even keel. Swap tires with the other truck and swap the plugs with it to! Then do another comparison lol. Gotta admit, it would tell the tale!!

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Synthetic, no oil stabilizers yet (doesn’t mean that won’t change down the road)

Got it! I run synthetic also, but for the first time used one quart of full synthetic Lucas stabilizer. It raised my oil presser a little and maybe made it a little quieter. No tick before or after, just wanted to be proactive.

Thank you, welcome to the channel! The laughs were just getting started that day, Mike and Randy are good people.

I believe it. That e-torque is impressive.

You are 100% correct!

Welcome to the channel! Randy and Mike are great guys.

You'll get used to the gear knob...I like where it is, more space between seats, no big lever sticking out behind wheel

Yes

Oh, that larger engine or diesel are the way to go if you’re doing a lot of towing. Did you have some trouble with an e-torque? Thanks

‘23s are great. But if your ‘03 is running good, keep it!

He’s clearly being funny and referencing it as a dodge since it’s now “high mileage”

I can’t disagree with that. I don’t expect the Cybertruck to be able to keep up with my Ram. BUT I am curious just how good it is. If/when I do get the cybertruck, I’ll keep my Ram also.

@@MrJustinWheeler that’s good to hear you’ll be keeping the Ram truck as well.

Yep I agree with you 100% I wouldn't want to replace one of those e torque systems after warranty 😮

In long distance towing my 2019 with 77k+mi 5.7 e-torque does the the same gas mileage as my 2017 4th gen rebel with no e-t doing the same trip with the same load.

​@@Armymudder the e torque system only benefits you in city driving stop and go you will get 18mpg compared to 15 16 mpg. Thank your Democrat government and the green steal peope.

2019 ram etorque hemi.... 69k good so far... yes 69k isnt much but shit at this point the 48v system is going on 5 years

I get 4mpg better with etorque. Zero problems. Love it

Air ride too… what’s your point?

@@TruckCentral winner winner chicken dinner...

@TruckCentral by far the better ride...now u capisce

@@StariDido Still have no idea what your point is. Genuinely.

@@TruckCentral its ok snowflake ❄ most people in these latter times are blinded and ignorant to the truth...sleep well my friend...