This Silverado was only towing 7600 lbs but the Ecodiesel towed 8700 lbs. Is that a fair comparison? How is this Silverado even eligible for the contest when it's towing over 1,000 lbs less than the the other trucks?

@@yogiyoda What does it even matter. It is what it is...not everything has to be a Brand compition. I enjoy the videos for what they are. 🙂

Bob Allen I would like to see the difference in sport mode and normal with the same run 🏃‍♀️

@@deltadcrouse interesting thought but not applicable for towing. I'd like to see it for everyday driving thou. Plus more fuel mileage comparisons. These guys do make the videos entertaining. 🙂

Bob Allen um, seems like scoring things and giving medals makes it a competition. They even mentioned the ecodiesel’s score in this very video.

Or all manufacturers for that matter.

I think that is to help the dealers sell us stuff we don't want, often only a specific optioned truck will have the max advertised towing capability. It is all to easy to get lost on the confusing endless options lists; meaning usually the ugly single cab dually only available in white.

The weight is the gvwr minus the payload, it's nice to have but you really don't need one

I agree. Sure is a nice looking truck too.

There's more to that sticker than that. My 2019 Silverado has one and I think it's a great idea that should be emulated by every other manyfacturer. And I'm sure it will be within the next few years.

Its very simple you set the cruise control and the exhaust brake and trans will keep your speed...

I agree, shift it down and let that exhaust brake get to work.

I was thinking maybe it needs Deeper in to the brake application and it will detect grade shifts better if not it needs manual mode

@@mjl325is you may be right. Surely there is a way to get the rpm up so the exhaust brake is effective.

Agreed.

Good luck! With the chip shortages its gonna be a while...

@@stevenmedina9393 Prices are already looking like they're coming down towards msrp, but I'm not sure how far off we are until they go back to what they realistically should be worth used

Agreed great couple.

Agree

Thanks

Not just cruise. You have to use the brake pedal. The software is trying to make you not have to think about it and so you have to use the brake pedal. I can get mine to downshift and you can feel the exhaust brake kick in. The way TFL does their test (60 to 50), won't always activate it. But once it's active, it will keep the RPMs high until you touch the accelerator pedal again. I think it probably works for most people (grocery getters + towing on the weekend) but I would really prefer to have more control over it like they offer on the HDs.

I literally just posted a question about this. I figured cruise control was needed for it to really work. Great that my intuition was right

These geniuses haven't figured it out. They do it wrong on every Ike review...

@@cborbon82 But they sound authoritative, and pound out videos full of bad information.

What’s the temperature inside? Need to cover the rad to get more heat? Any city mpg?

PAY ATTENTION!!! This is not some subject assessment. Whenever I tow downhill (GMC 6.6 DMAX) using the cruise control has a definitive and positive impact on engine braking. This Needs To Be Done!

Agee, I pulled my 8k lb camper over this pass w/ my 2014 5.3 and didn’t have to touch the brake by running the cruse. Use the cruse on the downhill!

But, is the cruise control then applying the breaks as well?

@@fifthcircle1 No it only uses engine, transmission and exhaust to slow the truck.

Great feed back!

If you get the Diesel off-road package it comes with the 3.73 axle.

03 SVT Cobra I would also be interested in the ten to see if it is shift happy

Not liking the next generation that's why I bought a 18 High Country 6.2L. The 10 speed did absolutely nothing to improve MPG and apparently has issues already like the 8 speed. I test drove both seen no difference. GM pull your socks up please.

Anthony Macneil My 2017 LTZ Z71 6.2 got slightly better fuel economy then my 19 does. I had zero complaints with my 2017 but my new 19 seems to tow better with the 10 speed and the infotainment is leaps and bounds better. Hoping this one will be trouble free like the last.

The newer 8speeds are a lot better since they reformulated the trans fluid at the beginning of the year.

Around The Ground Landscaping LLC. I’ve been saying the same thing, they must have a reason for not doing it though

I would guess that there isn’t a gas station at the bottom and the top of the Ike. Could be wrong though.

This Silverado was only towing 7600 lbs but the Ecodiesel towed 8700 lbs. Is that a fair comparison? How is this Silverado even eligible for the contest when it's towing over 1,000 lbs less than the the other trucks?

yogiyoda they did a max tow rating for each.

@@yogiyoda They used to test using the same weight for each truck, but every year, one truck would claim it could tow 1,000 lbs more, or claim it could tow just a little bit more than its competitors without changing the drivetrain, just to be able to claim "Best in Class". So (in my opinion) it's actually more of a fair test to test each truck at their claimed max towing capacity.

Untill you hook it to a trailer and get 250miles on a tank #fail

If you can get 12 mpg towing.

@@brentvance3958 that's exactly what they got on there towing loop on flat ground.

@@jamespenner1412 Well for 3 mounts of the year towing, still not an issue!

So what happens when we have to hit the brakes ( which will happen based on our many years of experience ) and it disconnects cruise control and voids the test?

@@TFLtruck I didn't think of that. Embarrassing on my part. That would take too much manipulation to reapply cruise control every time, when the test is suppose to allow for the truck to do all the work. In that case you guys are right. However one negative to forcing the truck to do all the thinking, my RT Durango with cruise control on downshifts on every hill to maintain speed, and it's annoying when not towing and trying to get good fuel economy. I can't find a way to turn it off without manual setting it to 8th, and I feel it's because of tests like these that make manufacturers tune the transmission like that.

@@TFLtruck - to be fair across all vehicles, follow the instructions in the owner's manual regarding maximizing engine braking. From there the viewers can decide whether they are or are not ok with the amount of manual intervention (like msnually downshifting) required.

@@TFLtruck start every test exiting the tunnel at 50 mph, set the cruise to start the test. For the trucks that are designed to work with cruise control, and have enough engine brake capacity, this will result in 0 brake events on the downhill. However, if the driver needs to apply the brakes to keep the truck below 60 then you don't get to reset the cruise, it would be business as usual for you guys after that. You give each and every truck ONE chance with cruise control. This would help the trucks that are designed to utilize cruise control but the biggest point is it wouldn't hurt the trucks that are not. You are still letting the truck do its thing, so it shouldn't be against your stated and consistent rules thus far.

@@ttank1994 that is pretty simple solution there tom, I like it. or they can just brake back down to 50mph and reapply the Cruise Control.

This or using cruise control. I can tell judging my 3.0s behavior in a downhill vs what they show on here they aren't even getting the exhaust brake and related down shifts to engage at all.

Doesn't the 3.0 Duramax make peak torque (460 lb-ft ) at 1500 rpm?

What "GM V8 diesel" are you referring to which makes 160 peak HP at 3,600 rpm from 285 lb*ft peak torque at 2,000 rpm?? The old 6.2L Detroit from the late 80s? The new 3.0L I6 diesel being reviewed in this video has 460 lb*ft peak torque at 1,500 rpm making 277 peak HP at 3,750 rpm.

Almost certain that GMC has far more engine braking (especially in Tow mode) when tied to the Cruise Control. I do wish these guys would address this. It's almost unfair to evaluate something based on how you use it and not how it was designed to be used.

TheGreazmonky I agree especially being 2wd. Was hoping a little better $.

Stephen Zerfas and it’s only extended cab not crew! You’d be around $55,000 easily. Yikes!

They do have other videos on this truck that show that. They just don’t show that in every video.

The Chevrolet is quieter than the ram

Dan Atkinson - I’m liking this Chevy! I never keep a personal pickup long enough to care about the longevity,,,,,,,,,,, means I like almost everything! Haha

This engine is very quiet. You have to be outside the truck with the hood open in order to tell the difference between it and a direct injection gas motor.

Also if you are using a tablet or your phone to watch the video, put on some good headphones (Bose etc. ). You can hear the engine note at 3 to 3.5k rpm. Sounds really nice.

The gm trucks exhaust brakes work with the cruise, if they set it to 50 it would down shifted and held them back much better if not totally fine, gm know sometimes when you have a trailer on going down hill you want to use the momentum to get you up the next coming climb so the exhaust brake/ down shifts only kick in when you start to get on the brake pedal OR when you have cruise set and it knows you want to maintain a speed

Ya, that looked like a nightmare to me too... just imagine trying to change out a dead battery in the cold and having to go get your entire socket set to unhook all that crap

I don't really see an issue, theres more than likely jump points that are easy to access. I also replace my battery every 4 years so I never have to worry about a cheap part leaving me stranded.

It looks harder than it really is , my wife’s Cadillac has the same case on it . It pops off easily for access to battery terminals.

With proper care I get better than a decade from my ac delco batteries. They are expensive but they serve me well in everything.

2wd and 4x4 duramax use the same gear ratio 3.23.

Plus with the 10-speed, the truck should have no issue finding the best gear for the job.

Don't forget the 4wd parasitic loss is also helping in downhill braking.

killercan10 didn’t know that, I hope they offer a different gear ratio with a max tow package maybe??

We really need to see what this truck will do with the same weight as the Ford and Dodge, let’s get a 4x4 and same weight. Great work boys!

They do. It's in the nissan titan

@@resharddurdley6987 that is a V8 and the latest "automotive" Cummins are NOT very good compared to the "B" model in the RAM

@@jasonriddell Aghh my bad. Gotcha

Reshard D thats actually a 5.0L V8, not a smaller version of the B series.

they should just saw off 3 cylyders and make a 3.35 liter

Hell yeah. Unlike ford and ram that stay in shop for days

Or its a perfect excuse to stretch your legs and check your load.

I agree. 30-35 gallons would be about right imo.

@@danatkinson6698 I'd rather choose when I want to stretch my legs, rather than have the truck tell me I need to when that might not be the case (or when a better gas station, vista point or notable landmark are just another 50 miles to go).

@@TheMEXICANBEEF agreed. My Tacoma has a 21.5 gallon tank. For a full size to only eek out another .5 gallons is pretty sorry. I'd at the very least was 25-27 at a minimum. 30+ would be great.

@@ALMX5DP that's when you trip plan for these things so you can choose where you want to stop.

Harlan Durant I bet so. The 10 speed learns your driving habits and it changes shifting a lot.

It doesn't make sense to use a timing chain up to the cams and a belt down to the oil pump. Why not use a chain? belts are typically used to make a quieter engine, but all of that is lost when your using a chain in the same location. Besides being mounted on the backside any noise they create is much closer to the cabin. At least it has 150,000 mile service intervals. Probably beyond what most people will even own the truck.

@@hogrod , definitely don't buy a higher mileage used one.

Why not skip the chains and use gears like a Cummins? 🤔

True, It’s crazy, but if the price is ~$600 or less then I don’t mind paying since i will perform all the routine maintenance myself! If it is priced at $1k or higher then forget it!

craig contofalsky all I know is whaveter you critical dicks say that is a huge problem is never actually a problem. Are you saying chains are perfect without flaws??

v6 is more compact,lighter for adr,s.or your u.s requirements,.best engine light truck,is the ford mazda 3.2 tdi.5 cyl..

Agreed, my diesel Canyon has the same tow rating. Although I'd rather pull that amount of weight on a full size. It's surprising that adding 4x4 increases the towing capacity on this one by 1700 lbs

@@BrandonHughes This might be the effect of the tall rear axle on the test truck. A shorter axle ratio would help overall towing capacity.

It’s because it has 3.23 gears in it.

This Silverado was only towing 7600 lbs but the Ecodiesel towed 8700 lbs. Is that a fair comparison? How is this Silverado even eligible for the contest when it's towing over 1,000 lbs less than the the other trucks?

GM doesn't currently offer their max tow package on the 1500 diesel. The 5.3L and 6.2L gain 2500-3000lbs to their rating with it.

The colorado is the minimax, this one is more like the middlemax

@@fc3sluis thanks man!

Does that mean that if Ford put a small diesel in the Ranger it could be nicknamed the mini-stroke? Hehe😁

@@trp2413 All 3.0L I6 Duramaxes have 3.23:1 axle ratio and 10-speed transmission, for 2020 model year anyway. I too am wondering why the 4WDs have so much higher tow rating and GCWR than the 2WDs.

@Zesty Meatballs The max tow package comes with lower axle ratio. The 2wd currently has 3.23 ratio but the 4x4 3.0L diesel has 3.42 and can already tow 2000lbs more than this truck they tested. Max tow also has larger coolers which I'm sure the dodge already is utilizing to get a higher tow rating. Power wise the dodge has 260hp@3600rpm and peak torque 480lb-ft@1600rpm dropping off from that point. It's also backed with an 8 speed auto. The 3L duramax has 277hp@3750rpm and 460lb-ft from 1500-3000RPM with 95% of that available at a low 1250rpm. Backed by a 10 speed auto. So you somehow think 20lbft of torque gains 4000lb+ to the tow rating for dodge?

@Zesty Meatballs The GM 6.2l gas engine is only rated to tow slightly more than 9000lbs with the same gearing as this truck. With the max tow package installed with its included lower gearing, it tows 12,000lbs.

closer ratios certainly do effect towing, less rpm change between gears keeps the engine more in its sweet spot. still haven't addressed any reason the dodge can tow more than the Chevy with dodges less useable power? Just a claim chevys somehow engineered for mpg, even though it clearly makes its torque over a much broader rpm range. Only thing possible that's different is cooling.

Reason why it tows much less is because of too much heat. The reason was to chase MPG over max tow. They chose to alter emissions exhaust architecture to achieve this! Emissions equipment was packaged very small and close to the exhaust manifold. This allows exhaust to run hotter than conveniental designs, specifically reducing the need for post fuel injection which slips fuel pass the compression stroke to burn off soot build up in the DPF for a hotter exhaust will reduces soot build up, thus mpg improvent can be made since fuel wasting is reduced over standard emissions intact configuration. Duramax EGT's can't go over 1560F before it de-rates via de-dueling to protect the engine from too much heat. High temps can literally melt pistons. If they stick with their exhaust emissions design they will have to drastically cool intake temps much greater than normal to tow the same weight. I'm not sure if larger intercooler can do it alone... Most address high EGT's with deleting which they can't do, or pairing higher capacity intercooler, compound turbos, and high flow intake elbows. These approaches drop EGT's by ~300F. Making max power for a Dyno certificate is not the same as sustainable max towing power with acceptable heat tolerance. This is the same issue with Dyno/Dragstrip bragging rights vs real world work!

I would say an issue with the trucks computer for the trans. My ‘04 Dmax with Allison down shifts aggressively with one or two brake applications, sometimes just touching the brakes with no actual brake action. One or two gears depending on where it started. Actually downshifts shifts past redline when needed, near 3800 rpm. So the trans didn’t look like it downshifted at all. Steep angle down and brake applications should command a control shift. Some issue with the TCM parameters is to blame.

Hows your fuel economy? Want to pick up a 4x4 sierra but don't trust the numbers out there.

My fuel economy is good, I average 19 city 23 highway with a very heavy foot. I have the 6.2

The 2.8 has a 6speed not 8speed, also the exhaust brake for the 2.8 works in tow haul and cruise control

I can tell you exactly why it was such a poor showing. I have a 3500 Duramax and the exhaust brake will not engage unless two criteria are met. 1.) The brakes are pressed. 2.) The cruise is set. If they would set the cruise at 50mph, the truck will try to maintain that speed by downshifting and exhaust brake engagement. Simply trying to coast down the hill will not engage the grade holding algorithms.

@@genek121973 They've tested the GM HD pickups on this test without cruise, and the truck was able to hold it's speed on the slope. I have a GMC Canyon with an exhaust brake, and it works just fine without cruise as well. It also holds the speed well going down hill. Applying the brake pedal it does more for sure, but with no brakes the exhaust brake and grade shift does a good job holding speed for me

@@BrandonHughes you're correct that the HD was able to hold the load on the test but, that was after one brake application. Once they hit the brakes it downshifted and set the exhaust brake. Not to mention the HD trucks have a much larger turbo and more aggressive exhaust brake. Do me a favor next time you're towing and on a downhill. Set the cruise and see what the difference is. I haul for a living with my Duramax and have tested every scenario you could think of. With the cruise series by far the best results.

@@genek121973 I believe you. I use cruise all the time and see it holding it's speed well going up and hills . They never use cruise on these tests though, and some trucks have done very well holding their speed without cruise. Maybe it would better with cruise, but I'd hate to rely on cruise for effective speed hold going down hill, ya know?

@@BrandonHughes I understand your apprehension at depending on cruise but, it seems to work best. I've been doing it for over 750k miles in my current 2011 Duramax and have never had an issue. It was a little nerve wracking the first time my rpms went all the way up to 4500 though.

You could even add Cruise Control performance to your testing. Rolling hills are where you can really tell the difference of modern transmissions and tuning verses older autos, which won't downshift as often. Which consumes more gas? How noticeable is the downshift? Does it upshift to soon?

Jerry Allen ..They are optional this year on the 2020 half tons.

Duramax isn’t for towing. That’s why it doesn’t have them.

Tahoe and Suburban would be amazing with this engine/trans combo.

Guardrail whys that?

@@jorgeosorio8459 Necause the HD is atrocious. Most of the posts I read say how ugly it is.