In 4 voices at the same time, MEEEE TOOO

That's globalization for you.

They both think it’s an American car and are both wrong

Yes, and those companies didn’t take a bailout from taxpayers.

@@oldcountryman2795 Good point! GM outsourced or off-shored production, then took my tax money to keep foreign jobs.

@@oldcountryman2795 Toyota and Honda got help from Japanese banks. Q: Are Japanese automakers receiving state aid? A: While Japanese car companies like Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. are in better financial shape than their American counterparts, some have sought help from their government, though indirectly www.manufacturing.net/home/article/13055701/how-does-the-us-auto-bailout-compare-with-others

@@hereigoagain5050 GM leads the ICE to EV revolution in North America today, not the Japanese. Many North American facilities are preparing for EV production and let the foreigners make ICE to extinction.

@@normt430 actually Tesla does. GM might catch up in a few years. GM is on the right track for a lower price, but Tesla has more EV sales and are more desirable regardless of build quality issues.

"...Pulling 0.84 average lateral g on the skidpad and putting up a 27.1-second figure-eight lap at 0.63 average g puts the Envision(2021) in good standing with the competition. The Acura RDX zipped around the bends almost as quickly, in 27.3 seconds at 0.62 g, and the Corsair 2.0 used 27.7 seconds at 0.67 g. Cousin XT4 recorded 26.3 seconds at 0.66 g....Needing only 116 feet to stop from 60 mph is a shade better than the XT4's 118 feet and is also better than the 2021 Acura RDX SH-AWD, which needed 120 feet, and the Lincoln Corsair AWD, which needed 126 feet... " Motor Trend

But is it comfortable? It's supposed to be a luxury SUV, not a sports car. I'm looking at them because I have a bad back and neck and take Tylenol daily because of it.

@@christhornycroft3686 with the 2021 model, the Avenir trim comes with lumbar support adjustment and massage. Not so with the 2023 as they are not including this feature. I suppose it is due to the chip shortage. I have driven my Buick to Florida and back to Canada and the seat is excellent for these long trips. To answer your question, the answer is yes.

Josh - same here, just bought a 2021 Envision Preferred AWD w/ Sport Touring & Technology Pkg. Cinnabar Red. LOVE it. Coming out of an Audi Q3 Quattro. Exact same power (228hp/258 lb-ft torque), but uses Regular fuel. Similar gas mileage.

@@richardzohn6810 I'm also looking at the ST package on a grey preferred, with comfort and convenience package. I've loved these since I seen one and test drove it and even though its on the top of my list as I'm in the market for a new car, I have three others I need to check out. Equinox RS AWD, Blazer FWD(2.0 ltr turbo, midnight edition) GMC Terrain FWD. I drive an hour to work so I want the best gas mileage possible from my choices. With that, and you owning thr Envision for a few months, are there any pros and cons you could share? Still love it? Is the somewhat loose suspension really noticeable in town or on the highway? How is the handling in winter? Thanks in advance!!!

@@PatrickJTezak Hi Patrick - Interesting, you are looking at the exact same vehicles that I too considered! Really liked the Terrain except for the visibility out of the rear quarter windows is basically non-existent as the windows point upwards from the drivers seat & in traffic dense California, that was a no go. Ruled out the Chevrolet Equinox since it only came w/ a 6-speed automatic & unless you got the Premier or RS, you can't even get roof rails. So I ended up w/ the Envision Preferred ST. The only real "Con" I can come up with - and it's not much of a Con is that the turn signal audible tell tale is exceptionally soft/quiet. Cannot hear on the freeway at all. Wish it was a bit more prominent. The ride is terrific! Loose suspension - . Especially w/ the ST Package & 20" wheels. The car handles wonderfully, and IMO, the suspension is perfect! Sporty enough to handle corners well & be secure, soft enough to give a luxury ride. Speaking of luxury rides, the car is exceptionally quiet & I had to set the speed alarm at 80mph. Without looking at the speedometer, I cannot tell how fast I'm going due to the serene ride & quietness. WRT winter - I'm in San Diego, so I've not had any snow experience. I do have the AWD Envision since I plan to tow a small boat (Boston Whaler Montauk 150). From what I've read, the Buick AWD system is a twin clutch setup so it can send 100% of the power to just one wheel if necessary to keep you going. In the rains we do have, the AWD system works flawlessly on slippery surfaces, just like my previous Audi Q3 Quattro. I stress tested the AWD on wet pavement w/ the lane markings & directions. From a stop, I floored the Envision in a downpour, not one bit of slip. Nada. I have high confidence that I can take it up to the mountains in snow w/o any problems. Some additional observations/experiences: 1. I replaced the paper air filter w/ a K&N Cotton gauze filter in the factory airbox. I'm averaging 26.3mpg long term (60% freeway/40% city driving), mostly w/ AC on. Actually beating the sticker w/o really trying. On longer freeway stretches, I get into the low 30's. I think that's great for a car of this size & capability. 2. After the 90 On-Star trial was over, I only subscribed for $15/mo to the App Connect service. That gives me unlimited data streaming for music apps such as Spotify or Pandora, and it give me Buick Maps+. So for $15/mo vs. $1500+ up front, I get built in GPS navigation! 3. The 10.2" screen resolution is unbelievable. Day or night. VERY impressed. 4. For me, I actually prefer the feel & longevity of the cloth seats (super comfortable) & they are heated. In summer, not as hot as leather, in the winter, not as cold. 5. The A/C is extremely strong! When on, I rarely leave the climate setting on low as that is too cold. Same w/ the heater, exceptionally strong & quick! Heated seats & heated steering wheel is nice too. Where do you live? Please let me know what you end up getting. Best of luck in your car search!!

@@richardzohn6810 Thank you so much for all of that information!! It really helps! I watched a few videos on the envision on wintery roads and they all said the AWD handled quite well. I'm glad you are lucky enough to not have to deal with that though😁. I keep checking the local dealerships to see if they have one so I can go drive one again soon!

GM facilities to be EV within a decade or two. They let other countries handle ICE production.

@@normt430 So you want all ICE production moved to China, then imported to the USA, while we wait for two decades for electric vehicles to become a thing.

GM sell’s way more Buick’s in China than in the U.S. Then if your rational about the Toyota Thundra makes sense for Toyota then, Buick building vehicles in China makes sense for GM. Just saying.... Plus my iPhone is designed in the U.S. and built in China and I don’t plan on giving up my iPhone anytime soon. My N95 respirator mask is made in China too and I trust it too!

@@spanglerjoe4602 most of the electronics are not made in the US now. But EVs are being sold today so GM will be right there in a few years.

@@elnumerico8444 ^^^^post of the day^^^^

We really liked our 2016 Envision 2.0T. It was super quiet and refined. Worth a ride for 2021 model but 2020 base models are low $20's!

That's funny because like you I drive a 2010 Buick Lacrosse and I'm trading it in for this new Buick Envision😍

The Mazda is far nicer than a Buick.

@@memecoco1626 That depends on the person, I test drove the mazda6 because I thought the interior was really pretty, but the cabin features like deactivating the touch screen while driving and having the screen above the dash is not good for short people. Im 5'2.

@@memecoco1626 meh… totally subjective

Hopefully Consumer Reports rankings are correct that Mazda is tops in quality.. But Buick has proven to be reliable and sometimes for even less than the competition. www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/06/top-20-highest-quality-cars-by-segment-2018.html

@@normt430, Thanks, I have always liked Buick. In fact my first new car in 1980 was a Buick Skylark I ordered from the factory and I think it is the best of the GM and USA brands. Over the last 45 years I've owned Buick, Chevy, VW, Honda and Mazda. Currently I've been very happy with the Mazda's I've owned. I wish Buick was making/selling the Regal sport back and wagon. I really liked that design.

Yes, the Mazda is far nicer than a Chinese Buick.

@@mitchellc2723 Even a GMC can run rings around Mazda today. Motor Trend magazine figure eight test measure not only grip but accleration, braking power, along with shock dampening, sway bars, spring rates. It's the recipe that has the 2018 GMC Terrain/Equinox one full second ahead of the 2018 CX-5 in that test. You see, the Japanese cook the books in making a lightweight, small, and great handling cuv that journalist rave about and get fuel economy as a result. When the buying public review the Mazda it is loud and rough riding and a turn off with just a ride around the block. So 2018 Mazda adds to the CX-5 missing sound deadening and adds heavier acoustic glass. Now the suspension is taxed with sway bar and spring rates from the previous updates along with shocks that need revalving. Braking performance has suffered with the extra weight with longer stopping from 60 than a 2018 Terrain by over 10 feet. And if you want to compare real world economy, fuelly.com-which are owners reporting, has the new 2018 Equinox 1.5T besting the CX-5. Sorry to burst your Japanese bubble but most everyone is on the same playing field today and many have passed them up and especially on the cost to buy front thanks to dealerahips advertising on places like cars.com. It is public perception that lags because of you and the journalist want to protect their internet clicks and keep inflated resdiuals as the prices are higher to buy than non-Japanese, negating any excellent resdiuals value. The auto auctions thank you guys. This is especially the case for the Honda CR-V. Regarding pricing and value the 2018 Terrain and CX-5 are dead even today and 3 year, 36,000 miles from now. The Subaru is $2,000 less today and $2,000 less in the same time period. This all based on info gathered from cars.com. It favors the Terrain if I used 2017 values as it is an out going model and the best deal here. Though the base 2018 Terrain doesn't have dual zone climate control it does have rear seat upper vents. The Mazda does not until you go up to the Touring model. The Terrain SLE has dual zone and the CX-5 Touring has rear seat vents starting the last two years or so. Both cars are the same price on cars.com Early Mazda models do not have rear seat venting. The 2018 Honda CR-V is the most expensive at $6,000 more than comparable 2018 Equinox. The Honda still offers the old 2.4l and is $5,000 more than a 2017 Equinox 2.4l. It is just over priced at all levels. And at 3 years, 36,000 miles later the CR-V cost less than a Equinox. Which means the more expensive, new Honda has dropped more in value than the Equinox. The Terrain 1.5T receives the 9-speed transmission and has not been tested. Only the Equinox 1.5t 6-speed has been timed.

@@mitchellc2723 Our Mazda CX-5(Edmund's) had a sticker price of $34,505 when it was new. After a year of driving, our odometer had about 17,600 miles on it. Assuming clean condition, the CX-5 had a private-party appraised value of $24,818. This is a 28% depreciation, which is worse than our long-term fleet average of 22%. Edmund's

Ha! The 2020 Envision is down to $22K range, well below invoice that Japanese car buyers pay!

In China, Buick is the only American car company that Chinese love.

Yes, this Envision holds it's value well. We traded our 2016 Envision in 2018 and they gave us $2,500 than we owed/KKB value and $9,000 off on a TourX.

GM’s main brand marketed in China is Buick

Correction the Chinese still ( ... encore ) do buick

Buick sells more than Acura...

We need Buick to balance the trade deficit.

@@JMay-og6mr So importing Chinese Buicks helps whom?

I'd mark two of those off your list for quality problems: Passport and Ascent. Both have lost their recommended status by Consumer Reports. You can get a 2021 Envision Avenir for $39K on autotrader. Wait for March Madness and summer sales for 20% off MSRP and you could get a 2021 Envision FWD in the upper $20's. Plus you would look the part of +$40K driving in as everybody watches!

Most American built vehicles are Hondas, not GM or Ford.

@@mitchellc2723 Especially when GM Ultium EV platform underpins Honda and Acura suvs this decade!

I always liked how GM cars handle but these days would probably buy a Honda or Mazda. Buick & GMC are the only GM brands to grab my attention but I'm more a sedan driver and Regal is toast

@@stephenmarcus9601 the +2018 Regal Sportback 2.0T with torque vectoring AWD was faster around 'ring than the previous GS! Plus you can a Sportback AWD for about $26K or the same price as an Accord 2.0T FWD 10-speed. But the Regal has twice the trunk space.

Our 2016 Envision Premium ll with panoroof and Driver Cofidence package(adaptive cruise and headlights that also swivel) was $35K with 2,500 miles on it. This retailed for $49,320 and was quite the saving over new. You are right about the more modern Twin Clutch AWD with torque vectoring and it quite a hoot to drive regardless of conditions. Super quiet and refined ride that none other can match for rhe price and warranty. This new one is missing some nice features that our old one had like the rear seat that slides and reclines. Also missing the Hyperstrut front suspension that make it very responsive in emergency lane changes

@@normt430 More changes than that. The 2.0L turbo is standard now but only makes 228 hp, down from the 252 hp yours makes. It makes the car 0.8 seconds slower and gives it 3 better mpg. Still a reasonable 7.5 seconds 0-60 but not as fast as the 2020 at 6.8 second and slower than our 7.4 seconds on the 6 speed. HiPer strut is only a GM Branding name for a modified McPherson strut that they came out with in 2010 on other Buicks first. Now it is called in 2021 "Sport Touring " package but is still the same technology underneath if you look at the Buick Envision web site. I did not hear that the rear seat movement is no longer permitted.

@@Buc_Stops_Here Hi Sam! Sounds like you still have your Envision Prem. We were looking to get another at one time. Now the aunt has her Encorr coming off lease and is looking at an Envision. I looked through allot of pictures and see no evidence of the adjustable seats by the tell-tale handle on the side. Poop! Not sure about the HiPer strut on the new one but it looks to be putting down the power just fine. Motor Trend: Pulling 0.84 average lateral g on the skidpad and putting up a 27.1-second figure-eight lap at 0.63 average g puts the Envision in good standing with the competition. The Acura RDX zipped around the bends almost as quickly, in 27.3 seconds at 0.62 g, and the Corsair 2.0 used 27.7 seconds at 0.67 g. Cousin XT4 recorded 26.3 seconds at 0.66 g. Braking And Steering Results Needing only 116 feet to stop from 60 mph is a shade better than the XT4's 118 feet and is also better than the 2021 Acura RDX SH-AWD, which needed 120 feet, and the Lincoln Corsair AWD, which needed 126 feet

@@normt430 Hi Norm, yes, still have it and like all my cars will keep it at least a decade if it holds up like I expect it to (buying older platforms built for a few years before I buy it so I get the six sigma corrected technology and not the new unit like the 2021 Envision). How my 2006 Saab 9-3 15 years later now with its second owner has 225,000 miles on it with a new alternator and pretty much nothing else needed over the 15 years. Probably around 2028-30 I will look for my next car at that point. When I have to buy a car in two years when my twins start driving our 2013 Subaru Legacy (which by that point will be 10 years old with about 150,000 miles on it) not sure what I will do. Might buy a used 2017 Regal which the newest of the older generation Regal which avoids the issues with the new model... or might go somewhere else. Sorry to hear about the seat. How does it fold down without the handle? Any demo of that? Those acceleration stats were confirmed by Car and Driver over time and the GMAuthority website, so I think the new engine is marginally slower than our car and substantially slower than the preceding model year in straight line acceleration.

My aunt has her 2018 Encore lease ending in April. She hinted she wanted an Envision and looked on autotrader and they are down to a jaw dropping $22K for 2020 models! That is much quieter than Encore, we had a 2013 Encore after having a Buick Verano - the Encore was never as quiet as the Verano, We had a 2016 Envision and it was solid and my aunt liked it.

@@normt430 Thanks for your help...

@@bobnelsonfr I can vouch for the 2020 being library quiet. My wife has a 2019 Hyundai Tucson, and my Buick, even being a base model is more refined in every way. The 2020 base models have features that you have to go up in trim level for on the 2021 models. Features like heated seats, dual zone climate, hands free lift gate are all standard on the 2020.

@@joshualeblanc3833 Thanks for your help

IIRC the 2.0L in the equinox is a much rougher engine, so when they redesigned it to run smoothly it ended up with less power (balancing shafts, maybe?). On a higher note, this is one of the few turbo engines that gets comparable gas mileage when compared to an n/a 4 cylinder, where the equinox isn’t.

This 2021 looks the part and smokes the Acura RDX in 30-50 mph, 50-70 mph and best the 60-0 mph stopping 15-feet shorter in C&D teating... Such good price too!

@@normt430 True, it's gonna be cheaper than competitors (especially after incentives) but, apart from looking handsome in and out......IDK, such a snoozer

@@brenrob7403 Buick is conservative premium. See Tesla as another conservative premium brand.

@@normt430 Buick is not premium.

The top spec Envision Avenir is $38K on autotrader. When are you buying it?

I'm very happy with my 2019 CX-5 Signature Turbo! Already have 33,500 trouble free miles and not made in China!

@@rdm925 all cars should go through warranty period without needing repairs, infotainment glitches, or returned to thr dealership for warranty work. Our 2016 Envision never had any problems ans never had to go back to dealership. There is a reason it won most reliable model over Koreans and Japanese. www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/06/top-20-highest-quality-cars-by-segment-2018.html

@@normt430 , You are right. My last car was a 07 Mazda 6 hatchback made in the USA at the Ford plant in Flat Rock, Mi It had over 164,000 trouble free miles on it when I traded it in. The original Ford Fusion was based on the Mazda 6 unibody chassis. Reliable cars are made in the USA.

I am 6' tall and the CX-5 doesn't seem to have enough leg room for me at the dead pedal. Otherwise Mazda has great quality although my 2011 CX-7 that I loved was a bit firm. Again the CX-7 was just a bit tight on legroom for my own personal taste. I sat in the Envision Preferred model and the legroom is very plentiful. I'm looking for a replacement for my 2014 Jeep Cherokee 3.2 V-6 that I also love. Love driving I guess.

I've scheduled a test drive for an Envision Avenir tomorrow morning. I just tested the RDX, and came away unsettled by it. The Acura's numb and disconnected "touchpad" infotainment controller is a disaster to use - while in motion. Further, Acura's transmission does some herky-jerky stuff at neighborhood speeds, especially when coasting along and then applying light throttle input again.

I’m not sure, but the twin clutch awd can basically lock the center and rear diffs as needed. I know the enclave has the same system, and they showed demonstrations where the enclave could move off rollers with only one rear wheel on the ground pretty easily where a Highlander couldn’t without the locking diffs.

@@joshuarodrique2096 the Highlander top 3 trims have torque vectoring AWD now as well

@@naveenthemachine that is brake based torque vectoring that all FWD based Toyota/Lexus have. They never send more than 50% power to the rear wheels and fail the 3-roller test. The GM Twin Clutch can send power to the rear wheel with traction and spins the outside wheel faster in turns like Acura SH-AWD.

@@normt430 huh. From what I heard the regular Toyota AWD systems are brake based but their new dynamic torque vectoring is supposed to send power mechanically side to side. That’s what I heard from Alex

@@naveenthemachine Ale on Autos doesn't do roller tests. Go to 2:30 to see the failure on a RAV4 where others pass. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pd6cqNif25-pkps.html

Made in USA with parts around the world.

Especially with XT5 2.0T!

From GM's website: Assembly: Spring Hill, Tennessee, United States, Shanghai, China (Shanghai GM). They are made in both the US and China. Most sold in the USA are from the US plant, but not all of them. Some are made in China as well and shipped here. I take it yours is one of those made in Tennessee in the old Saturn plant.

So you don’t like your Buick?

@@johannesfranck1770 love my Buick. Hate GM for putting a target on the back of anything that's not an SUV, CUV, or truck.

Yes, Honda doesn't compete as it is a economy brand and competes with Chevrolet. Especially when these are as low as $26K why even consider economy brands?

Which motor do you have in your Blazer? The 2.0T in our 2016 Envision was pretty quiet and very smooth.

@@normt430 I have the V6, which is a GREAT motor. The Blazer fully loaded is $50K before discounts. That's just way too much...it's not a $50K car. Their packaging is terrible. In order to get what you want, you need to get it almost fully loaded. Or...maybe they know what they're doing. :)

You can get something else that looks this good for $26K as that is what 2021 Envision 2.0T is going for on autotrader.

A lot of Buick’s previous generation cars were opel/vauxhall imports with slightly different front ends. Makes sense that they would continue to use a similar design language despite GM selling off those brands.

@@insainllama Thank you!

Probably nothing based on what they have done. I’m looking forward to seeing the next gen CX9 with the straight 6 engine.

The Envision Avenir is $37K on autotrader. But wait until the 20-30% off sales for the best deal. These hold their value really well as we traded our 2016 Envision for a TourX and got more than we owed and more than KBB. Might not get that in a Mazda product today.

@@normt430 no, GM does not hold its value. More than a few GM dealerships up here sell one year old Cadillac xt6s for $30,000 Canadian. Down from nearly $50,000 with 30,000 kms. They end up shipping them overseas because no one wants their crap used cars.

@@kevinW826 must be Canadian math. We bought 2016 Envision and traded it for $2,500 more than we owed/KBB value including sales tax for TourX that was $9,000 off MSRP. You cannot get that value in any of your economy Japanese cars brands. The domestic and Korean brands are eating the Japanese lunch today! They offer up to date infotainment and more power/torque and a fraction of the costs. You can take your "Toyota Tax", stuff it in your pipe and smoke it!

USA is not Buick targeted market.

Gonna miss that sliding and reclining back seat in our 2016 Envision.

We had a 2016 Envision 2.0T and never had a problem. They are very solid and offer a very refine ride. We even had a ECU tune on it make 350 lb-ft of torqye.

@@normt430 Oh yea, you drag race Lamborghinis with your "tuned" buicks. LOL

No,our Acadia has it behind d the wheel and it is so much better than using your thumb!

These are down to $26K where no Acura is. The Envision Avenir is low $40's while this out handles the Acura RDX.

@@normt430 Heck, that's entry level Honda pricing with the HR-V and Civic. I guess cheap chinese pays off

@@blackdynamitebd1947 the sister car Chevy Blazer is even a few grand less than that. GM makes their money in trucks and suvs and can support deeper discounting on some models. Something the Japanese cannot do.

The Venza a Toyota Buick. Just not as premium as a Envision but probably as nice a Lexus NX.

@@normt430 True, the Venza is as nice as the Luxury brand Lexus.

@@memecoco1626 no, nice Toyota maybe. But Toyota is a economy brand. So that is not saying much.

That'll be a Toyota competitor. Will Genesis ever have a hybrid?

@@normt430 No idea. Aside from a bigger engine, not sure why you'd pay more for this instead of a RAV4, Tuscon, or CX-5.

@@Erigion the 2021 Envision is down to $26K on autotrader. Not sure why one would consider a Japanese brand as they are very expensive and not that good of quality today. Korean's are close with excellent warranty.

Saying Equinox three times is the same as saying Candyman 3 times but your wallet gets murdered instead of you😁

Q: Are Japanese automakers receiving state aid? A: While Japanese car companies like Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. are in better financial shape than their American counterparts, some have sought help from their government, though indirectly Toyota's financing unit is in talks with a government-backed bank in Japan to get loans to help finance its lending activity. Japanese media have reported that Toyota Financial Services has asked for 200 billion yen ($2 billion) from the Japan Bank for International Cooperation, though the automaker has not publicly discussed the amount sought. Nissan also has said that it is considering various types of government aid, but it declined to say whether it, too, was requesting aid from the Japan Bank for International Cooperation. Ma nufacturing.net

..and that is a good thing! We liked the Envision so much we bought one. It is the $49,320 version with everything but with only 3,000 miles was $35,000. Cannot you buy a Japanese CUV with surround camera, Safety Seat, and heads up display for that much? Even Lexus doesn't offer a HUD or Safety Seat. We rented a 2017 Ford Escape SE AWD for a 6 hour trip to another state to pick up the Buick Envision. I was asking myself what Ford does to the Lincoln to make it quieter, better handling, and better seat cushions. I thought I was going to get tinnitus it was so loud. The throttle was responsive and the brakes were very good, but the steering and and handling was terrible. We did manage 33 mpg with the cruise set at 65 mph though, which was great for AWD and torque converter transmission. My butt was so sore from sitting on 1.3" of seat cushion. When we traded the Envision on Regal TourX they gave $2,500 more than we owed plus the taxes that were financed and we got $9,000 off MSRP on the TourX.

@@normt430 It's GOOD that this is built in China with slave labor, then imported to the USA. Just the other day you were bitching on Autoblog that people were not buying UAW built vehicles. Now you are promoting Chinese built is a good thing.

@@mitchellc2723 Slave labor? Where does such weird twisted mind come into your brain?

@@timbercg Hum, the fact that China uses slave labor.

The power stays the same, probably torque reduction at lower rpms do to knock. Our 2016 Envision made advertised 260 lb-ft of torque but at 5,000 rpms on 87 octane. I'm sure peak torque would be lower rpms on premium.

No

No. The Santa fe is waaaay better.

@@nichowolf congratulations, you just compared them

The Sant Fe is more of a midsize SUV and I would pick it over the Buick. Just a better all around vehicle.......

We had a 2016 Envision and if in the market again would pick up another. They are solid feeling and very refined and quiet. Funny when 2019 RDX was tested by Car & Driver the 252hp/ 260trq with the old 6-speed was faster than RDX 2.0T from 100 mph on up! This 2021 looks the part and smokes the Acura RDX in 30-50 mph, 50-70 mph and best the 60-0 mph stopping 15-feet shorter. Such good price too!

@@normt430 Good info . . . thanx!

That and the hybrid Limited trim. No reason to buy this neutered imported Buick.

Never listen to someone who hasn't owned late model GM vehicles. They don't know what they have been missing.

@@normt430 - you either work for GM or have not actually owned a GM car? Having had two leased GM vehicles through work over the past 5 years, both had issues - my first Cadillac left me stranded on the side of a highway and the service experience at two different dealerships was simply awful. I wish anyone who chooses to give their hard earned money to GM, Good Luck!

@@andyb8005 we buy about one vehicle every 18-months. I want a quiet cabin, refined ride, excellent handling, gobs of torque, and efficiency. GM offers some of the best discounting and hold their value really well when trading for another and haven't found any full line manufacturer that can match them!

@@andyb8005 he works for GM and he’s everywhere. Talking down Mazda, Lexus, Acura, Toyota, and Honda, just to try to make Buick sound appealing.

The trouble with GM is their "legacy costs," which must be rolled into the price of everything they sell. Gm CEO Mary Barra made $21.3 million dollars last year. Why? While GM was sleeping, the Japanese, and now, the Koreans are eating their lunch. The under forty crowd knows nothing of GM's dominance in the post war period. Their dominance came to an abrupt halt in 1973 with the first of two oil embargoes. They've been playing catch-up ever since, with most of their success coming from trucks. Many GM components are made in China now, so it makes sense to buy a Hyundai or Kia.

We had a 2016 Envision and then a Regal TourX. Currently a CT6 and like thr handling in the sedans but trying to see around suvs to make a left turn is one of thr biggest draw backs.

No, you're thinking of 2.5 "parts per million." PM2.5 is "particulate matter" of 2.5 μm or smaller. www.epa.gov/pm-pollution/particulate-matter-pm-basics

Thr $33K 2021 Envision 2.0T is down to $26K on cars dot com. Why sacrifice for economy brand when you can get a premium brand for less? Plus at that discounting will give you free depreciation for a year or so as Buick's hold their value really well.

@@normt430 Venza is far more luxurious than anything Buick has ever sold.

I wouldn't want to deal with the fueling issue the RAV4 Hybrid and Venza owners are experiencing. Toyota claims they have fixed the problem, but even Venza owners are starting to report the problem and Toyota is basically washing their hands of the issue and leaving owners with a frustrating issue.

@@RysterARCEE Toyota definitely let their hybrid owners be paying beta testers on this one!

@@normt430 yeah, like the Chinese beta tested you.

Already returned in a more efficient 2.0T.

as a Man who's own six Saab's , I could live with that..

@@reserva120 still have our 2004 9-5 Arc wagon too!

This runs circles around the Cosair! Motor Trend: "...Pulling 0.84 average lateral g on the skidpad and putting up a 27.1-second figure-eight lap at 0.63 average g puts the Envision in good standing with the competition. The Acura RDX zipped around the bends almost as quickly, in 27.3 seconds at 0.62 g, and the Corsair 2.0 used 27.7 seconds at 0.67 g. Cousin XT4 recorded 26.3 seconds at 0.66 g...."