Bruh, I really need the confirmation I have tried EV before and I gotta say. I simple dont like one pedal operation, it just not me This Honda Hybrid system, from what im getting: 1. Ev only 2. Engine fed electric motor 3. Engine drive the wheel when clutch is closed What I need to know, from point 1 - 3.. There is no point when this system feels like CVT/Automatic Tranny yeah? All point will feel like one pedal operation yes?

@@davidjones3520 I did get the maintenance rolled into the lease both times. However, when I had a flat tire or anything outside of that maintenance package it was ridiculously expensive. Hopefully this doesn’t come off as bragging, but a good friend of the family works for Honda and I get all the maintenance done through him. If he didn’t work for them, I’m sure I would still be smiling at how much lower the cost would be. I’m still in love with this car 14 months later. Especially with the rising gas prices. Such a smarter buy. If in time finances get better I’ll be looking for an all electric car, preferably a luxury-super-fast one :)

What are you paying for it monthly?

@@Bheji07 $450mo

@@DavidMatthews84 I am actually going to check some numbers on 2022 version of this one. For lease I wanted to be around 450 too. Any advice you got for me?

The key to Honda hybrids is speed limit driving. Even Alex had mentioned that before.

Agree. I own a 2018 Hybrid EX-L and the 17" wheels get pretty good mileage, best when driving in the city and on country roads about 60 MPH, in which case you can get 50MPG. Any situation when the demand is increased has a relatively bigger impact on mileage compared to other hybrids because it keeps the engine on more frequently - this includes higher speeds, winter conditions, and increased rolling resistance and wind resistance. The Touring grade got the big 19" wheels for 21M likely for marketability purposes, and this is a big hit to mileage. I myself fitted aftermarket 19" wheels with 245 width tires to my Accord and it has a drastic MPG impact of about -5 MPG compared to the 17", but I wanted the increased grip levels. I think the Accord Hybrid is an excellent car, but don't get the 19" wheels if you value fuel economy.

Goes without saying, but the stock tires are absolutely terrible on even the smallest amounts of snow. I always wind up getting a set of snows for all my vehicles anyway, but I was surprised at how bad the all season/hybrid low rolling resistance tires were in cold weather with 1-2 inches of snow on the road.

Just be aware that Alex gets the details about power a little sideways. These details *affect* conventional cars, with one power plant, but without the complications of a hybrid that has two. Understanding them in detail has never been critical. Alex incorrectly applies that common misunderstanding of conventional cars' power to this one. By "power plant," I mean a device that converts stored energy into power that can be used for *everything* the car needs. The conventional car has an ICE that converts gasoline into mechanical power. The ratings you see for such cars is the how much power the ICE produces at the crankshaft; that is, before it is split between the transmission, the alternator, the fuel pump, various compressors and fans, etc. It is also before any losses in those devices, mainly the transmission. The amount of power that can be sent from the transmission to the wheels has never been available. There is no easy way to say how much, because it depends on too many other factors. But a common estimate I've seen is that it is at most 85% of the ICE's power. All hybrids have two power plants, and the electric motor is *_not_* one of them. Other hybrids combine their power in some very complicated ways, but the Accord's is simple: Its two power plants are the ICE-driven generator, and the battery. There is another device called the Power Control Unit (PCU) that mixes them. Its rated output is 212 HP of electrical power. The reason I said that the electric motor is not a power plant, is because it doesn't "produce" any power. Its job is to convert some of the power, produced by those two power plants, into mechanical power to be sent to the wheels. So it is analogous to the transmission in a conventional car in every way except the form of the power that it takes as an input. Its 181 HP rating is analogous to the power figure I said is unavailable in conventional cars. And to achieve that power output, it needs the PCU to produce 181/0.85=212 HP. My point is that 212 HP is the requirement that engineers used to design the PCU, not a limitation on what the two power plants can produce. That's why the Clarity (which has a smaller ICE, a larger battery, but the same PCU) has the exact same 212 HP rating. That's why every Honda iMMD hybrid (CR-V, Insight, Fit/Jazz) has a motor rated at 85% of the PCU's power rating. In every video where he mentions the power of an iMMD hybrid, Alex points out that the power to the wheels is different than the total combined power. What he gets "sideways," is that this is true of every other car he has ever reviewed. But these are the only ones where he has been told both numbers.

He sounds like a South Park character when he says it.

lol i literally just commented the same thing before i saw yours!

@@KarlLetcher some say yes but some say Toyota can’t compete w Honda which I think is just extreme

It’s just half an audi

@@thatpersonsmusic Exactly what I was thinking but did not dare say.

Yes, I agree. I have a 2019 EX and I get 46 mpg.

I have a '19 touring hybrid and I'm getting 47.3 mpg according to Fuelly. The rims and tires have everything to do with mpg here

2-3mpg

I swapped them out because those tires are terrible at grip level and wet traction! A few mpg loss is worth the handling improvement

That’s exactly what it is. Tourings with the 19s are rated at 44/41/43 city/highway/combined vs 48/48/48 for the lower trims which all ride on 17s. You pay a big mileage penalty to ride on 19s. The 18-20 Tourings also got 48 MPG across the board because they used to roll on 17s.

But the 19 look so much better lol I think that’s why they added them

#SaveSideWall

A PHEV needs a MUCH bigger battery and electric motor(s), and that usually requires planning for that from the start. That's an advantage Toyota has - they plan for hybrids from the start, including possibly Prime PHEV models. I doubt this Accord could be retrofitted with such a system. That may happen on the next generation.

That's my thought as well. I'd break my bank to bring one home.

They do. It's called the CR-V Hybrid. ha

Make it a wagon, and give it some sport. You'd have the cargo space of a CUV, but it would still drive like a sedan.

Thanks for that! Was looking at the CR-V Hybrid to possibly replace my RAV4

@@mrTopherB13 no problem we thought there was something wrong with it and had honda check it out to make sure and everything checked out fine. So on a 65-70 degree day we ran it down the highway here for about 50 miles at 75-80 and it was doing 31-33mpg. I just can't figure out why it does so bad when it is cooler out compared to the sonata. I have also driven both the sonata and cr-v to Colorado and back to Arkansas and like I said at 75 the cr-v did 21mpg at the lowest and 27mpg at the highest. The sonata I ran at 77 and averaged 40-45mpg and it was roughly the same temperature on both trips

The Clarity sells so few units I think you're right, add the PHEV to Accord and kill Clarity, and I'm a Clarity owner. Might make it too expensive though. Word on the street is Honda loses money on every Clarity they sell. Last month (Feb.) only 420 were sold in the entire U.S..

There's NO good trade-off for reduction in range.

I doubt the Accord has room for the larger battery of the Clarity. It won't fit under the back seat, that's for sure.

@@markmiller3279 they would probably have to utilize the room under the load floor where the spare tire well is currently. It wouldn’t be an as-is thing.

The Clarity was primarily designed to be hydrogen fuel cell powered and is still available that way. The Accord would probably be severely challenged to house a 17 kWh battery.

This is very true. I owned the 1.5 Accord for about a year and when I got to about 20,000 miles on the clock I was getting 42-44 MPG highway miles. The 19” wheels don’t make much sense on the hybrid.

@@chrissimmons9969 Even the Malibu 1.5t is quicker than the Accord 1.5t in Motor Trend handling test: "The Malibu lapped our figure-eight course in 27.4 seconds averaging 0.63 g through the process and managed 0.84 g average during lateral acceleration tests" 2018 Accord 1.5t only registered a lateral grip of 0.81g versus 0.78 and a figure-eight time of 27.7 seconds at 0.61g A Malibu 1.5T can be had for US$13,000 good luck finding Japanese competition that inexpensive.

As a reference I own a 2017 accord hybrid with 111,000 miles on it. I average 37mpg. I recently had a 2019 accord 1.5t as a rental for 3 months when my car was in the body shop. I got 30mpg over the 3 months.

@@Joepaq too bad you couldn't compare a Malibu 1.5t in your daily drives. Motor Trend got 37 mpg in their highway test of a Malibu 2.0T 9-speed.

@@normt430 I should have mentioned that I tend to drive aggressively. Also, the mpg of the hybrid increases in the warmer weather. The prefer the hybrid over the 1.5T. The hybrid is just more responsive and has more power.

What is it missing from the touring?

@@legacy416 Touring will have bigger wheels, slow speed auto break when parking and adaptive suspension system. These are 3 big differences to me.

@@TerrySitu The Touring trim also has cooled front seating that none of the others have which a major feature for me in the Summer. Too bad that can't be had on the EX-L.

The 2018 Touring model that I have, the differences are heated and ventilated front seats, heated rear seats, heads-up display (which is awesome), 17" wheels, and probably a couple other things. I don't think the earlier models had the bigger wheels, started with 2021.

The way things are going. They would be getting rid of rear seats and moon roofs too!

As long as you can still mount a spare, it doesn't really bother me. I just wish Honda weren't so stupid about the parts for the spare. You almost have to argue with the parts people to get the ordered.

I ordered a donut tire for my wife's Bolt. She doesn't need to be trying to fix a flat by the side of the road. Hopefully she will never use it. I am not a fan of filling a tire with synthetic booger as a means of repair.

no its not for either of those, it's for $$$, in almost all cases. to save on production, thats at least $200 off of production. The 30 pounds is not going to make a difference in the mpg. Then they will gladly sell you the spare tire kit for $500, yea what used to be free. Having said that you may never use your spare, but I consider that one of the biggest safety features of any car, along with brakes. If you only use it once in your life, it has paid for itself, and may save your life. But what do I know, I still like analogue gauges, volume/tune knobs, ac buttons, aux input, and sdcards on phones. even my laptop, has upgradeable memory and ssds, and I drive a manual. I guess I am a relic of the past, I even enjoy live music, and homecooked meals from scratch.

@@Tigerex966 You forgot " a girlfriend/wife that is natural beauty not the one with a boob and butt job. I am only 30 years old and i am just like you prefer Analog over Digital, real over fake, old school over new school.

So how do you like the way it drives, the sound system, and the comfort? What mpg you getting? Is it fairly quiet?

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The Honda Accord 2.0T has an approximately 5 second zero to sixty mph time. That is one of the fastest times in the segment compared to the Kia K5 GT, Toyota Camry TRD, and Hyundai Sonata N-Line. No hybrid in this segment comes close to hitting the 5 second zero to sixty. The Toyota RAV4 Prime is nowhere near those speeds because it needs 8 seconds to sixty. Most other hybrids in this segment from Toyota and Honda hover around a similar 8 to 9 second zero to sixty time. Watch Alex on Auto’s videos on these vehicles for proper information and correct statistics in the real world, or do a search on Google for Car and Driver reviews, instead of spreading misinformation.

@@SilverScarletSpider Speculating and hoping that Honda will make a quick plug-in hybrid Accord is misinformation how? Seems you’re the one spreading misinformation.

Even the Malibu 1.5t is quicker than the Accord 1.5t in Motor Trend handling test: "The Malibu lapped our figure-eight course in 27.4 seconds averaging 0.63 g through the process and managed 0.84 g average during lateral acceleration tests" 2018 Accord 1.5t only registered a lateral grip of 0.81g versus 0.78 and a figure-eight time of 27.7 seconds at 0.61g A Malibu 1.5T can be had for US$13,000 good luck finding Japanese competition that inexpensive.

@@normt430 no one is talking about Malibus, nor the 1.5T engine. GM’s malibu can’t hold a candle to the Accord in terms of quality, resale, and safety.

@@Ryan57Garr Malibu 2.0T 9-speed has higher 1/4 mile trap speed, quicker handling time, and 37 mpg highway in Motor Trend testing. Plus it costs less and won't depreciate as fast as a more expensive economy Accord.

Yeah, cars in general are more efficient at lower speeds since it takes exponentially more energy to go faster!

This is true of non-hybrid cars, too. At high speeds aerodynamic resistance is the main factor in efficiency, and it increases rapidly as vehicle speed increases. A car doing eighty will always be far less efficient than one doing sixty or seventy. For most cars the greatest highway efficiency will be around fifty mph, with mileage dropping off quickly the more you exceed that by. A car at 60 or even 75 might still be close to EPA highway ratings, but at 75 or 80 they will always be way below. Idaho having lots of mountain grades doesn't help any.

The only reason you're not getting near the advertised mpg is either very short trips or you're driving too fast- this is a driver behavior issue, not a problem with the vehicle. Most likely you've got a heavy foot and aren't looking for the sweet spot in the rpm band and driving in the right lane on the highway. It's not just a hybrid thing either- with all cars you see people claim that the average MPG is false when its very plainly their own driving habits that bring their numbers down. Yes, my F150 is capable of getting 18 city and 21 highway but the way I personally drive it, I get 15.5. That doesn't mean Ford is lying, because I can in fact hit those numbers if I am very gentle and conscientious with it... I just don't care enough about the difference.

My ‘18 Hybrid Touring produced similar mpgs until I learned how to drive it. It has averaged 46 mpg over its lifetime, but in the city it averages over 50. I’m sure yours will too once you’ve learned it’s sweet spots.

It depends how fast you go

Exactly!

See SavageGeese review. They were pretty brutal! But to compare on fuelly the Camry is within a mpg or two, while HiHY is at 30 mpg. Meanwhile a Pacifica Hybrid S is doubling Toyota hybrid suvs and minivan. www.fuelly.com/car/chrysler/pacifica/2017/robbw/616831

Passengers cannot tell when the 2.0T engine in our Cadillac CT6 2.0E plug-in.

Clarity is a disgusting monstrosity. You are nuts.

With you 100%. My daughter bought an '18 three years ago and I bought a '20 last fall. I'll end up buying gas maybe once a year, outside of road trips.

hybrids are wasted on the highway. The point of a hybrid is Improved efficiency in town, stop and go, on hills.

Just hope your Sonata doesn't catch on fire like so many other Hyundais. No joke, this is something you need to be aware of and careful of.

@@mrsj1417 I’m aware that older Sonatas from 2016 both the HEV and the gas Theta II engines had problems. There are not reported problems with this gen Sonata. Recent model problems have been with the full EV Kona. I’d still buy a Sonata Hybrid over the Honda Accord and I have a Honda sitting in my driveway as well.

Imo the Camry isn’t dated. I actually prefer the screen integrated into the center stack. Makes for a cleaner looking dashboard

Hard to believe you lost value in this market.

@@captured_agent5714 that Edmund's vehicle they purchased and sold around 2018. Sedans were dieing which explain why the domestic brands stop selling them. And this was a newly redesigned Accord. Not even the Japanese can beat people into buying their sedans back then and today.

Agreeed, the stylings are the main factors. Slap a battery on It and boom you get the best of both worlds

Engineer: "Smaller wheels will give better fuel economy, a better ride, less road noise, and better hydroplane resistance" Marketing: "Car magazines like big wheels" Executives: "Ok, I'm convinced. Let's go with the big wheels"

If you want the most efficient car, get a prius. If you want a fun car to drive and save gas at the same time, this is the car.

Yeah but think of how more money you can spend on the bigger tires!

19" wheels means you only have room for thin tires in the wheel well. Same delima you have with the Camry XSE and the Teslas.

Even the Malibu 1.5t is quicker than the Accord 1.5t in Motor Trend handling test: "The Malibu lapped our figure-eight course in 27.4 seconds averaging 0.63 g through the process and managed 0.84 g average during lateral acceleration tests" 2018 Accord 1.5t only registered a lateral grip of 0.81g versus 0.78 and a figure-eight time of 27.7 seconds at 0.61g A Malibu 1.5T can be had for US$13,000 good luck finding Japanese competition that inexpensive.

Still better than every other midsize sedan that's not hybrid or electric.

If I had a dime for every time some guy in the internet claimed some absurd real world mpg on a car or truck, I'd... well, I'd have enough dimes to get my whole gang to Rock Ridge, and then some. That Honda hybrid engine system will deliver performance on par with sports cars 40 years ago, and fuel efficiency better than a little econo box 20 years ago. If that doesn't suit you, buy elsewhere.

@@toyorobo Sure you do. And it runs on pixie dust, not gas. Why do people make up stories?

Please explain why a car that gets upper 40's in mpg (49 in perfect conditions) deserves a rating below B. I was getting 50mpg in my 2017 accord hybrid with highway driving all day, excluding cold weather seasons when it dropped to upper 30s or 40. While you're at it, please be sure to list all of the cars above it that fall into the A ranking- lets see how long that list is.

Are you pumping 87? Or 91?

@@bbbt8090 no he bought an EX with 225 width tires

Bingo !

Camry Hybrid doesn't drive like a Prius but gives Prius-like economy.

@@pdd3 The Camry's drivetrain is very closely related to that of the Prius and the driving experience has a lot of similarities. I suspect Honda is just trying to make a hybrid drivetrain that more easily fits into a car where it was an afterthought. The Toyota system has very different packaging requirements.

@@pdd3 the Camry Hybrid powertrain feels very similar to the Prius. The difference is the Camry is a little more refined and quicker

Alex’s last review on this car he was getting 47 mpg!

Indeed, most people do not know how to drive a hybrid. Including many who think they do. Some of the most common misconceptions are: (1) They gain net charge in the battery using regenerative braking. They actually use more charge getting back to the same speed (or climbing that hill), than they recovered while braking. They gain net charge by running the engine at a higher level of power that is also more efficient. (2) EV mode saves gas. The truth is that it uses the most gas; it’s just gas that you burned earlier. The extra trips though inverters, converters, and batteries all add in extra losses. I ignore any tricks to improve mileage in my 2018 Accord Touring, and drive at the average speed of the highway, in any lane. The car is "supposed" to get 47 mpg. Over the last two years, so it is representative of all seasons, I've averaged 48.2 mpg.

@@jeffjo8732 at constant low cruising speeds, EV mode makes up for the horrible inefficiency of a typical gas engine at those speeds and load levels. The internal combustion engine is horribly inefficient doing 25-35 mph because it is incurring significant pumping losses when the load is light. EV mode allows the car to shut off the gas engine, and then use it later at a more efficient load level to charge the battery.

@@aspecreviews The engine doesn't drive the wheels at those speeds. When it runs, it drives a generator at 34 HP and 40.6% thermal efficiency. Whatever electricity is needed to power the traction motor is sent there directly (this is called Hybrid Drive). The excess is stored in the battery. It suffers an additional 25% (or so) loss when it is eventually used in EV Drive. The point is that the energy used for EV Drive ends up being about as "horribly inefficient" as the driving the wheels directly, at low load. The savings come from the portion of the of the 34 HP that was used in Hybrid Drive. Forcing the car to use EV Drive changes the proportion of time it spends in either, for the worse.

@@jeffjo8732 why does the Accord Hybrid have EV mode anyway? Is it just a gimmick?

@@aspecreviews Because the general public doesn't understand the concept of Conservation of Energy. It has to come from somewhere. It was an unprecedented move for them at the time. Toyota did not include the wasteful "EV mode" button in the original USA version of the Prius. They did include it in other parts of the world. And the firmware to implement it existed in all Priuses ("Prii" is not the Latin plural of "Prius"). When naive hypermilers discovered it, they invented home-brewed buttons to turn it on. So Toyota did what any unethical, market-driven corporation would do: they added it to the car sometime around 2010, and hyped it as a great mpg-saving device. So that forced other makers of hybrids to add one. Get this straight: *_all_* of the energy used to propel a (non-plug-in) hybrid comes from burning gasoline. There are four paths it can take to get to the wheels (and here, "ICE" means the internal combustion engine): Gas->ICE->Transmission->Wheels Gas->ICE->Generator->Motor->Wheels Gas->ICE->Generator->Battery->(time)->Battery->Motor->Wheels (Any above to wheels)->Regen Brakes->Battery->(time)->Battery->Motor->Wheels Every step in these paths includes some loss. The more steps in a path, the more loss. There is one efficiency factor that is missing here. An ICE is most efficient when it generates about 1/4 to 1/3 of its maximum power. This is too much for cruising, but not enough for acceleration. So, while regen braking helps a hybrid not *_waste_* energy, the main benefit of a hybrid is that it reduces the loss in the "Gas->ICE" step. After that, anything that takes the path through the battery wastes more than those that don't. Since the "EV mode" button encourages such paths, it reduces mpg.

They do offer a grey and black bar as well

Nobody is. I do wish they'd realize what a mistake they made with that corporate grille design, because that chrome beam has never looked good. The rest of the Accord is quite handsome (I don't mind the taillights), but that nose ruins an important view.

I replaced mine with black.

to be clear I do not think the Accord competes with the Avalon - the avalon is obviously much more luxurious. Just sayin that they’re pretty damn close in terms of dimensions - and shouldn’t appear to be in different leagues as the graphic implies

Even the Malibu 1.5t is quicker than the Accord 1.5t in Motor Trend handling test: "The Malibu lapped our figure-eight course in 27.4 seconds averaging 0.63 g through the process and managed 0.84 g average during lateral acceleration tests" 2018 Accord 1.5t only registered a lateral grip of 0.81g versus 0.78 and a figure-eight time of 27.7 seconds at 0.61g A Malibu 1.5T can be had for US$13,000 good luck finding Japanese competition that inexpensive.

I saw that noise too.

No Hybrid option with the K5 as far as I know in the U.S.. For that you'd have to find previous gen Optima's on the dealer lot.

@@ragweedmakesmesneeze Strange, but true. So far just the Sonata gets the hybrid drivetrain. Not sure of the logic, but lately Kia and Hyundai do seem to be reducing the overlap in their models.

@@ragweedmakesmesneeze, that's true, but I was only commenting on Alex comment about the looks of the car. But you're totally right on your point.

Beware, the manufacturer-to-dealer rebate is only available in a few states, primarily California. For most of the country it simply isn't available.

Btw, I get 46 avg in heavy city, short highway drives, and short trips in the last 2,500 miles. Probably not great for hills but everything else, its hard to get bad fuel economy! I've get around 60mpg in slow and go freeway traffic in LA, very relaxing to be in traffic xD

Incorrect. Accord with factory sport wheels is superior

It's definitely not tiny in there, if no competition for a Sienna. It's still one of the most spacious mid-sized sedans, with gobs of rear-sear space.

@@markmiller3279 You missed his point entirely.

@@markmiller3279 the Pacific Hybrid gets +80 mpge!

@@normt430 No, the Pacific hybrid does not get 80 mpg. The Pacific PLUG-IN gets that, and only if you go full EV. Once the juice is up, it operates as a regular hybrid and then the mpg's is much worse than the new Sienna

@@Imran-Shah that was +80 mpg(e). See this PacHy and others get better than Sienna Hybrid mpg. www.fuelly.com/car/chrysler/pacifica/2020/1tpg1/990739

Even the Malibu 1.5t is quicker than the Accord 1.5t in Motor Trend handling test: "The Malibu lapped our figure-eight course in 27.4 seconds averaging 0.63 g through the process and managed 0.84 g average during lateral acceleration tests" 2018 Accord 1.5t only registered a lateral grip of 0.81g versus 0.78 and a figure-eight time of 27.7 seconds at 0.61g A Malibu 1.5T can be had for US$13,000 good luck finding Japanese competition that inexpensive.

From what I've heard, it has to do with other hybrids having an actual transmission in between the wheels and the electric motor. As the car downshifts, it impacts the feel/response of the brakes. Honda's system has no actual transmission involved in the regenerative braking process (or anywhere else), so the overall feel is smoother.