2021 Honda CRF450RL Review of Specs + CRF450L Dual Sport Motorcycle Changes Explained
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☆ Visit Southern Honda Powersports in Chattanooga, TN at www.SouthernHonda.com for more information on how to buy a 2021 Honda CRF450RL like this one or one of their other dual sport motorcycles. Thanks again to all of the crew there for allowing me to come through and check out their inventory for these videos!
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Motorcycle in video information:
● Model: 2021 Honda CRF450RL (CRF450L replacement)
● Model ID: CRF450RL
● MSRP / Price: $9,999
● Horsepower: 41.7 HP
● Colors: Red
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● How does the CRF450RL Horsepower / Performance figures stack up against the other CRF Dirt Bikes from Honda? Here's how they all line up in comparison:
● CRF50F - 3.1 HP
● CRF110F - 7.5 HP
● CRF125F - 8.9 HP
● CRF150R - 23.5 HP
● CRF230F - 19.0 HP
● CRF250F - 22.8 HP
● CRF250RX - 43.5 HP
● CRF250R - 43 HP
● CRF450X - 44.3 HP
● CRF450R - 60.8 HP
● CRF450RX - 60.8 HP
● CRF450L - 41.7 HP
● CRF450RL - 41.7 HP
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@truss6282 3 жыл бұрын
I have absolutely no business nor the skillset to be on that that bike. I'm buying the first one I find.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Lol I like the way you think! Just let me know if you need any help finding one ;)
@utubesuxb4lls 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto I can't wait to pick It up 2022 model woot
@rocketrollsvlogs7625 3 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@LaneHadway127 3 жыл бұрын
Ya baby. I love my 2019. It rips!
@waxmanvids5015 3 жыл бұрын
reserved one today no business either...
@goodcitizen 3 жыл бұрын
62 yrs young here. Just drove 410 miles round trip to deal with the awesome people at On The Edge Honda in Amherst, Ohio to pick up a new 2021 CRF450RL....oh man what a bike. I had ordered a CRF300L in January and my dealer said it may arrive May then June and now July. I said screw it and payed to play! stepped up to the only available 450RL within 600 miles of me. Took me back to the day in 1981 when I walked into Midway Yamaha at 22 yrs. old and bought a brand new YZ465H 2 stroke! Happy Riding!
@razorsharpbt124 3 жыл бұрын
I'm looking at the 300L and the 450RL. I'm 45 years old and stand 6 feet tall. Would you recommend going up to the 450? I'm not too hardcore of a rider, I just want something that I'll stay happy with power-wise. Congrats on your new bike!
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
@Good Citizen lol now that is awesome! You ride that CRF300L now and you'll be soooo glad you made the decision to just go full send and snatch up the CRF450RL! Not even talking power, the difference in bikes once you take them off-road and really use them - it's insane. Ride safe out there and be careful doing too many wheelies!
@TheFastphill 3 жыл бұрын
i also have a 450 l and have a yz 465 as well the yz was like switching into hyper space when the powerband came in
@chainbenwa2713 Жыл бұрын
How many hr/ miles on it now? I’m torn between this and the wr450f.. both have plenty of power for me but looking at the specs the crf450l should go longer before a rebuild than the wr. Idk.. tho I want something that will go a LONG time and do it reliably. I’ll probably end up getting a 250 or 300 but I’m use to more power. I have a 02 cr250r 2t and it’s been a dream reliability wise, ya Wierd I know.. so I have more faith in Honda lol
@lidanasab9767 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for not having annoying music
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha no problem and hopefully that earned a "like" on the video lol ;)
@tosh2012 Жыл бұрын
Good info on the differences between the R and RL that I haven't found elsewhere. In my area, the dealers are marking up the 300L so much, and it's so hard to get one, that the 450RL is actually looking better and better.
@AncientAviator 3 жыл бұрын
Great job Kevin! I especially appreciate the comparative data you've listed above. Nicely done sir!
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you... The kind and supportive words are greatly appreciated!
@autocrow 3 жыл бұрын
Great review! Honda really knows what they are doing. I like how quiet it is. I like quiet. You can get on it without being heard a mile away. I'll bet this bike is a beast!
@pb7379-j2k 2 жыл бұрын
Quiet is underrated
@VikingBagsYT 2 жыл бұрын
Great content! We here at Viking Bags really appreciate your videos! Keep up the good work!
@SUPA-HERU-NAGA 3 жыл бұрын
Went and sat on one last month . Thinking I was too tall(6’3/4) it fit perfect 👌🏾. Can wait to buy it 💯 liked and subbed
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, someone your size is perfect on her. You'll love it, these things are a blast and really bring out your inner hooligan lol. Hands down one of the most fun bikes to ride that Honda builds for the street! Thanks bud, really appreciate the support...
@rocketrollsvlogs7625 3 жыл бұрын
This was a great video. HondaProKevin does it again. I don't care for my local Honda dealer and it will probably be fun to travel down to Chattanooga the next time I buy a Honda. It may be another two or three yrs, but a 450RL/ or 300L, and Goldwing are in my future.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words and support bud, I really appreciate it... That's a shame but I hear it a lot these days, thankfully not all of them are bad though. You definitely won't be disappointed if you make the trek down to Chattanooga, just let me know and I'll get you hooked up with the guys to talk to on your next Honda and they'll take care of you ;) . Be careful on the mentions of a Wing, you ride one of those things and it's incredibly hard not to "need" one in the garage lol. I used to say I'd never own one no matter how old I got and then I rode one for the first time about 15 years ago and my mind was completely changed. It was like you put a couch on a sport bike lol and that's even more true with the latest gen bike. It's wild what they can do with an 800lb couch and making it handle well. You really have to have the time to get out and log miles to enjoy one of them though.
@cesarroman9976 Жыл бұрын
I love the 450 RL I will be buying one in about a month great review best one by far
@takenotesadv 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video.
@mikeatv 2 жыл бұрын
that thing moves… you can just tell by the way it revs and your right about the maintanance people dont realize you gotta take care of your machinery…
@Unknown-bv7lv 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely review mate. Hopefully might go for this
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words bud, I really appreciate it!
@butchcassidy3562 3 жыл бұрын
I was close to buying this bike, but it is not "adventure-ready" off the showroom floor. I am an adventure rider looking to replace my KLR650 with a lighter bike as I am 61 years old and enjoy playing in the hard stuff, and I want to do Backcountry Discovery Routes (BDR's). Picking the KLR up fully loaded with adventure bags is tough, and I typically ride alone. The CRF300Rally saves me about 80 pounds in a dry weight comparison. Buying the 450RL would require a larger aftermarket tank, a windscreen, and possibly replace the still not quite right ECU with the Vortex aftermarket. While I read the ECU was improved in 2021, some feel that an upgrade to the Vortex ECU is still required to smooth out the burpy throttle response and low-speed stalling. That puts the 450RL with the requirements above nearly twice the cost of the 300Rally. I would love to see Honda make the 450RL is a Rally model for 2022, with 8000-mile service intervals (detune a little), and I think they would just kill it in the marketplace. I would love to hear what current 450RL and 300Rally riders think of my analysis above. See John T. Young's review of the 450L on U tube for some great adventure riding wisdom. Thanks for a great review with no music and only a few spliced in "funnys".
@MichaelShaw206 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I'm in a similar situation, 58 years old, like riding the BDR's (I'll finish the WABDR this year as I had to avoid some wildfires last year) and don't want to get pinned under a heavy bike when I'm riding solo. My WR250R works well on the dirt but the pavement portions can be problematic with gear, especially on hills into the wind. The CRF450RL seems like a good option and John T. Young has done an amazing build for adventure on his. Yet, your point about the amount of farkles necessary to get the 450RL BDR worthy is spot on. For the same money, I can get a Yamaha T700 for the BDRs and keep the WR250R for the single track. Just can't abide the 450+ lbs of T700 bike weight. Tough decision. I looked hard at a Husky 701 but the issues with clutch slave cylinder, the sidestand electronics and the fuel pump are hard to swallow while paying $2.5K more for the opportunity. Being stuck under a heavy bike is only a little worse than bike failure in the middle of nowhere.
@butchcassidy3562 3 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelShaw206 Good analyssis Michael!
@someguy5035 2 жыл бұрын
If they detune, there is no point in even having a 450 because it will have a marginal power advantage to a 300L/Rally at that point, but it will still be almost twice the price. The 450L/RL is the worst of both worlds. I have no idea why it even exists, to be honest. Even if they put a bigger fuel tank and a windscreen on it, it would still price itself out of the market. Might as well get an Africa Twin, T& or something else.
@lenwenzel7440 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Review. The 600 km maintenance cycle is a shocker, I enjoy riding long trips occasionally, so I can see this bike is not for me.
@smc_pilot5314 3 жыл бұрын
Good job Kevin, I've been watching tons of CRF450RL videos and you're the first one to mention the nutty maintenance interval. I've got the fever for a supermoto but had the CRF450RL at the the top of my list because of the enduro/street blend it brings to bare. Oh well, I don't care if this thing wants to wheelie in every gear, I'm too lazy to do all that maintenance (especially the valve clearance checks), don't trust anyone to do it for me, and don't like cruddy stock ECUs too. This guy's going from first on my list to number five or lower.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! I just try to bring up pieces of info that I would want to know about if the roles were reversed and that's one of those "big ones" that I think everyone should before buying. Maintenance is usually an afterthought when it comes to toy purchases like this and it can bite you quickly if you go from cross shopping a CRF300L with 8,000 mile intervals and then think to yourself that this CRF450RL has to be similar... lol! Is the maintenance worth it when comparing to other Honda models? It all depends on the person. For me, I'd choose this over the other models and not care about the maintenance difference because the performance pays off but it'll definitely be different for everyone. Thankfully we have more options now than ever, from all brands! It's definitely a good time to be motorcycle enthusiast! We just need to get this corona stuff behind us so dealers can start getting inventory again lol! If you don't mind me being nosey. What other bikes are you looking at right now?
@smc_pilot5314 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin After a bunch of research and a clear lack of product availability I started leaning towards a large adventure type bike. Inventory is low and prices are very high, so I'm getting pretty disenchanted with everything I'm looking at. I looked at a Pan America Special at a dealership near me and the markup was 50%. I've seen some excellent 3rd party reviews on KZfaq and am even looking into a Fat Bob, or Fat Boy 114 to replace my HD 1200 Nightster. I can't believe I'm looking at cruisers, OMG! I took my R1 to the office last week, and will exercise my Harley to visit the doc tomorrow. No rush.
@smc_pilot5314 3 жыл бұрын
Browsed a local dealership on a whim today and found a 2021 KTM SMC 690 R. I bought the darn thing, which was delivered two hours ago. Mission complete. By the way, the valve adjustment window is every 13k miles, and the dealership said they'd do it cheap (two hours labor tops). Anyway, I'm a happy camper.
@sachac5435 3 жыл бұрын
i have the 2019 model, just looking for an oil cooler best bike ever, my fave!!
@christopheroconnor3509 3 жыл бұрын
thinking of trading my zx14r 2014 for this ,always wanted a dual sport,mainly around town bike,back and forth to.wirk daily rider & light trails..nj
@nc.sous.8827 Жыл бұрын
about to buy this thing.
@eddiewilds1750 2 жыл бұрын
It's a freaking solid machine and its balanced well
@chrisfromkatunga6245 3 жыл бұрын
Be careful what you wish for. This bike was discontinued in Australia last year. I am pretty happy with mine. It isn’t perfect, but it does most things off road really well. It certainly is more than capable for my modest skill level.
@dirtbikekid2851 3 жыл бұрын
I’d be really surprised if they discontinued these in the USA. They are selling like hot cakes at my local dealer. Literally has a waiting list and they are sold before he gets them. With all the suburban growth over the years this bike is perfect if you have to ride 10-20 miles to a riding spot. No truck needed just get on the bike and ride and has outstanding reliability. I have 8,000 miles on a 19’ I bought in august of 19’ and I’d say it was the best purchase I ever made.
@rocketrollsvlogs7625 3 жыл бұрын
I need to get down to Chattanooga to check out all of that inventory.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, the inventory isn't what it normally is. Everyone is having an incredibly difficult time on getting units and when they do get a truck in, bam they are rolling out the door. I called this well over a year ago when it comes to motorcycle shops and what they would look like etc - people thought I was crazy lol. Definitely crazy times!
@birybenjamin3522 Жыл бұрын
Great job Kevin, the only thing to me is the price!, but otherwise its a unicorn
@Unknown-bv7lv 3 жыл бұрын
Got the 250L . Love it. Its made in Thailand awesome built qaulity
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah, the CRF250L is an awesome bike and has been a great seller since day one - for a reason!
@ramiretz 3 жыл бұрын
unfortunately it does not have a cush drive hub on the rear..........
@SmokinZen 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds awesome but the service intervals are not so good
@TheFastphill 2 жыл бұрын
hi Kevin have you heard of any problems with the 450L my broke the right hand case at the starter motor insertion point
@HondaProKevin 2 жыл бұрын
Oh crap! Haven't seen or heard of that happening to anyone yet... How bad is the breakage?
@yarpenzigrin1893 2 жыл бұрын
The CRF300L is good enough for 90% of people and because it's basically no maintenance you can be sure that it will last forever with little effort. Sure, some extra power, higher top speed and better suspension would be welcome but it's not worth the extra money and lower reliability to me.
@HondaProKevin 2 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head bud, the CRF300L is more than enough for most people's needs!
@maxflight777 Жыл бұрын
Yappen: you only tell half the story ! A road oriented soft suspension on the CRF300L means it’s only suitable for light “fire road” type trails. The 450RX is way lighter than the CRF300L For me, I like a bike around 107kg (that’s most dirt bikes such as the KTM EXC and CRF450RX) The CRF300L doesn’t have a lot of power for climbing those hills … oh and it is bloated at 143Kg !
@nejay5252 3 жыл бұрын
What is the pony power on the 2022? Can we take something from X and swap it with something in RL to get some more HP?
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
It's identical to the 2021, she comes in at 41.7. That's a good question... I'm not an engine builder, I know enough to get me in trouble lol. You can swap some R parts over to the RL to get the extra horsepower that they robbed back but at the risk of ruining what Honda did to make it more "streetable". I would start first with a piston, cams, more free flowing exhaust and a tune and she'd be a ripper!
@Reano29s 3 жыл бұрын
I would buy this bike if only the maintenance wasn't so high. Im sure I speak for thousands of riders with this same view.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, you're definitely not the only one. They've got some new stuff in the works that maybe you'll like though ;)
@MrDavidfuchser 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin New stuff? Do tell!
@ericabercrombie6780 2 жыл бұрын
What maintenance? It’s a single cylinder dirt bike. Doesn’t get much easier to maintain. Lube chain, adjust valves, do frequent oil changes. All stuff you can do yourself.
@ignacioparodi5446 Жыл бұрын
Is it a wr450f road legal better ? I mean is lighter! more power, map switch...
@sumdude240 3 жыл бұрын
I went down the rabbit hole with street and trail bikes, thinking I’ve finally found and exciting dual sport bike until i started hearing the maintenance schedule... 600 miles between oil changes? And not to mention the sketchy stock ecu. No thanks, might take the power loss and settle for the 300... it’s a shame, I really like the look of this bike.
@masjut1 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@OldeDog_NewTricks 2 жыл бұрын
600 Mike's if you're flogging it. If you're just scooting around on trails you can stretch that out
@Wi7son 2 жыл бұрын
It takes about 15mins to change the oil in this bike
@450hooligan6 2 жыл бұрын
Nice and quiet.
@Losangelesmotorcycles 3 жыл бұрын
as a honda brand loyalist ! this is the best channel .
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bud! I really appreciate the kind and supportive words, means a lot!
@adamholbrook2281 3 жыл бұрын
What is the road Fuel economy/ range ? Link didn't seem to work. thanks really nice bike.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, the link is working on my end. Thanks for mentioning it though so I could double check. Honda doesn't put a MPG rating on this model so it's difficult to say but most people on Fuelly are averaging around 45-50'ish MPG. Hope the info helps bud ;)
@gt7500 3 жыл бұрын
To start, there is NO cush drive on this model. I'd also like to see a "Map" switch with three choices, full power, as well as two lower power maps. They could of gotten rid of the "herky jerky" power delivery on tight single track by reducing torque. Lots of riders are complaining. I have gotten used to it and it has improved greatly since the engine was broke in. After a full season riding it, I'm impressed. Would like a 3 to 4 gallon "Hondaline" accessory fuel tank offered, in titanium. They used titanium because it was less expensive than plastic! It also will never rust and is very light weight.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was my bad. Honda decided to put that it does have a cush drive in their press release and it didn't even stick out to me as I was making my notes on things to talk about. It just didn't register that it doesn't have one until it's too late. I'm not making excuses or trying to pass the blame... but I am aren't I lol! Glad to hear you're enjoying yours and it's gotten better since breaking in. Oh yeah, can't disagree with you on those points! Thanks for checking out the video and for helping keep me on my toes. I try to make sure everything is spot on but sometimes that one slips away. Ride safe!
@gt7500 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin Upon first release they talked about a damped clutch, then cush drive and then the rear sprocket! You got a new sub after that video. Thanks!
@jondotcom8706 2 жыл бұрын
Two words: Throttle Tamer ;)
@lukken4020 3 жыл бұрын
I just got one on the 5th of this month.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah! How are you liking it?
@lukken4020 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin I love it. The stock seat is not very comfortable and after several minutes, it was downright painful. So I bought a Seat Concepts comfort low complete seat. Next mods are an IMS 3 gallon fuel tank, Tusk panier mounts, and Rotopax 1.75 gallon fuel cans.
@russelldesigner2682 3 жыл бұрын
You are awesome.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
No... you're awesome! Thanks for the positivity, I really appreciate it bud ;)
@grant31781 3 жыл бұрын
There is no cush drive on my 19 450L. Is this new on the RL?
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
No, that's a mistake on Honda's part in their literature and I stupidly didn't notice it was wrong until afterwards. My apologies...
@fcalin21 3 жыл бұрын
I want ABS. Can i use the ABS system found on the 300 model ? It would have been nice to have a 10:1 compression ratio . Any ideea how to achieve that ?
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
I don't want to say it's impossible as anything is possible with enough money or skill but that's a difficult once as the ABS is tied into the ECU and a lot more than you think so it's not just an easy swap from the CRF300L over to the CRF450RL. On dropping the compression, you could go with a custom piston setup and play around with it from there.
@fcalin21 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin Thank you.
@KREllis-vr1ix 3 жыл бұрын
ECU still blows FYI. Can confirm as an owner. I like the bike overall but slow, technical, stuff is VERY tough unless you buy an aftermarket ECU.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Ahh, that's no good! Is it stalling on you or something else?
@gunmachineee 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin i got the 450l and its super jerky in slow technical terrain. Throttle is an on and off button essentially
@jeffmunro7638 3 жыл бұрын
Shes bad down low, an flames out atstop signs. Mine is a 2021, 1200 miles on her
@criolloRD 2 жыл бұрын
That's a beautiful bike, and wouldn't do any modification on it!
@mattf5630 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been hearing that by 2024, all the CARB standards will be nationwide. So basically anything other than these choked out bikes will be illegal anywhere but on a race track. I got a 2019 450X for a little over 7k(new, old stock) so I’m just going to do a DS kit with it🤷♂️
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
lol there's no telling, crazy times for sure! In a way I don't want to think about what our industry may look like in another 10'ish years. Oh yeah, you've already got a killer bike with the X so I'd just do that and be done with and ride the wheels off her!
@ChristianOspina 3 жыл бұрын
Coming from a Yamaha Wr250x I was hoping this would be like the 450 version of that with better maintenance for street riding compared to the 450r. 600 Mile oil changes is so soon compared to 3000 for my bike now. :( 2000 mile valve check vs 22,000 miles as well 😆
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
The WR250X is a great bike! Oh yeah, it can definitely be a deal breaker for some but it's another option and options are always good.
@ChristianOspina 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin yeah very true, I hope Yamaha makes a street legal wr450!! My buddy has one converted and it's super sweet the maintenance seems to be very similar to the Honda so it is nice to have at least 2 Japanese bikes to choose from. The KTM 500 is another sweet choice too
@klassickingz9094 2 жыл бұрын
That's a beautiful bike
@HondaProKevin 2 жыл бұрын
It sure is!
@gsxraiders 2 жыл бұрын
Is the 450 really worth almost 2x the price over the 300? I'm a sportbike rider (SV650 & GSXR750) that's looking for my first supermoto/dually and I just want to make sure I make the right decision as I've never been on a dirt bike before. I usually ride backroads but wouldnt mind going offroad and trying new things
@HondaProKevin 2 жыл бұрын
It all depends on the person and their outlook etc... With you already having fast bikes to satisfy that "itch" so-to-say and if you are fine with your new bike not being fast, I'd save the money and get the 300. However, if you want that power that puts a smile on your face when you romp on it then I would lean towards the 450. Long story short as I could type a novel about the pros and cons on one route versus the other between these two bikes, I'd say the 300 is going to be more of your relax and take it easy bike whereas the 450 will make you want to raise hell because of how capable it is lol. Hope that's of some help bud, it's definitely a difficult decision to make and I've had customers struggle over that ever since the 450 was released in 2019 and before that it was people wanting to know if the 650 was worth the extra $$ over the 300 to which I would take the 300 over any day of the week.
@gsxraiders 2 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin thank you for the input man. I can see myself settling with the 300. If I were to drop close to 10k on a dual sport, I might just go all out and get the Africa Twin 🤣. That way I have a real bike.. bit I wouldnt dare to abuse it like I would on the 300
@gsxraiders 2 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin would you recommend the KLX300SM over the CRF300? Aside from tires
@leanit5756 10 ай бұрын
I had a CRF450L. The level of engine vibration was simply unacceptable. Been riding since 1976 and owned many dozens of bikes. The only bike that could match the Honda's level of vibration is the KTM EXC500Fs I have owned. Damn shame as otherwise I would want to own one again.
@JohnnyBoy919 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the walk through of the bike! I have a yamaha wr250r and I love the bike but I'm wanting more power. I'm stuck between the crf300l and crf450rl...I've heard mixed things on that bike. Flameouts etc, tough to ride in single track. I like the crf300l, but the wr has better suspension and is lighter. 295 pounds wet and it came out in 2008 vs 310 on the crf300l. Would have liked to see more from honda on that bike. Why can't anyone make a light weight dual sport with more power than a 250 but low maintainence. Like a modern drz400, less weight, 6th gear and fuel injection. If someone made that it would sell like hotcakes or a wr450r with maintenance of 250.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, coming from a WR250R you 100% wouldn't be happy when it comes to the performance. The CRF300L was built for more of a budget bike than a sheer performance bike if we're being honest. lol you and me both are asking the same question there as well as a ton of other people. I think it all boils down to they think it won't sell, that's why they won't do it. It has to be, right? If they think something will sell and they can rake in the profits then they'll hop right on it. This corner of the market is growing though, more than ever so we may see some new ventures out of the big guys in the field and fill some of the voids in their current lineups. Fingers crossed at least!
@itsmylife4fucksake 2 жыл бұрын
Then buy crf300L put light weight battery, and exhaust. Then its even lighter then WR250. Also note that it is 30% more strong low and mid range of RPM when compared to Yamaha. Even in top end 20% more torque. plus its geared better. then Yamaha. Add tune and air filter to above mentioned mods. :) and don't worry about weight and power :) it will feel even like 400 when compared to 250 on Yamaha. And Yamaha is 13+ years old from 2008 So don't thing that old suspension can outperform Hondas when fine tuned. Plus you can upgrade Hondas to what ever level you wish.
@JohnnyBoy919 2 жыл бұрын
@@itsmylife4fucksake I agree with what you're saying but with that same logic you can do the same thing to a wr250r to make it even lighter ie exhaust/battery etc. Yeah the wr might be old but it was ahead of its time when it came out in 2008 with modern fuel injection and 6 gears.
@itsmylife4fucksake 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyBoy919 You can never add up mid and low rpm power loss on 250wr no matter what you do. And its old :) 300L was left with tuning in mind, as it is very small power for that 300cc
@Jungleland33 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Well done, thank you. It looks like a great deal ....if you're strictly an off-roader . I would love if Honda brought out a proper rally version with a large capacity fuel tank and large capacity sump so that oil changes were in real-world time frames. I'm afraid that I'll put my money on the T7 until that happens.
@MansoyHumilde777 3 жыл бұрын
T7 is way heavier than this one. Not practical for serious off roading
@Jungleland33 3 жыл бұрын
@@MansoyHumilde777 Horses for courses. 😀
@tbgtbg6311 2 жыл бұрын
@@MansoyHumilde777 Get a Motowinch to help pick it up.
@ThatGuy-qg4ww 3 жыл бұрын
Bring back the 650r
@ebhkkc1 2 жыл бұрын
must haves......throttle tamer, Vortex, new pipe.
@razorsedgeadventures6599 2 жыл бұрын
I bought the 21 RL as the first dirt oriented bike I’ve really ridden in almost 40 years. I’m 63 now. I’d say that from the factory the bike’s sketchy fuel management, light switch throttle, tendency to flame out at low rpm, 2 gallon fuel tank, street oriented tires, not to mention the putt putt sound from the stock exhaust, made the bike not a lot of fun to ride on trails. Spend the money for a Vortex ECU, a nice after market exhaust, a good set of knobbys, 3 gal fuel tank, and the bike transforms into a blast on the trails! It does have a lot of power and probably not the best choice for tight single track riding, but for desert trails and wider mountain trails it works fantastic. For a dirt bike it’s pretty good for short stints on the asphalt, but it’s definitely not a great street bike. Costs some extra money to transform it into something the factory should have delivered, but unfortunately the factory is bound to ridiculous emissions requirements and noise limitations etc, on top of trying to produce a bike to fit a bunch of different applications. Buy one and make it your own based on what you need it to be and you won’t be sorry! Great bike!
@HondaProKevin 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the thorough comment from an owner and you hit the nail on the head with many things that I've heard from other owners as well. Hopefully Honda will tackle some of these things in the next refresh!
@mamatuja 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you put the oil cans you have to take with you Every time you go on a trip???🤔🙄😁
@HondaProKevin 2 жыл бұрын
Backpacks FTW lol!
@Timichaud 3 жыл бұрын
Correct me if im wrong but I think the 450 is 600miles maintenance but use way less oil than the 250/300L because the oil of the transmission is separated. So 1 liter of oil each 600miles is not really annoying... and a lot of guys made it go as far as 1000miles or 1200miles and the oil color and viscosity stays very good if its a soft 1000 miles of riding (not too aggresive). And if yo are going harder just flush it at 600 miles...
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head bud ;) Personally, I wouldn't let that bother me but everyone is different. To some though it is a big deal and I can understand why, sometimes the trade off isn't worth the performance gain in their eyes versus how another person looks at it.
@billyarsenault1970 3 жыл бұрын
For the Love of everything Holy- someone actually gets it. Sensible comment- nice job.
@billyarsenault1970 3 жыл бұрын
People who can afford the 450RL: “Amazing bike- love mine- going riding now”. People who cannot:” Too many service intervals- twitchy throttle and only 40hp- too heavy and the seat sucks”.
@KentwoodWarrior 3 жыл бұрын
Not exactly. I can buy multiple 450L’s if I wanted to, cash money. But it’s not what the large majority of the market wanted. I have a Tenere 700 for the same price..lol. Which is a joke cause it’s literally twice the bike with insanely longer intervals, the Honda just needs too much attention with too large a price tag. It’s not justifiable.
@billyarsenault1970 3 жыл бұрын
@@KentwoodWarrior yeah- the T700 looks like a hell of a lot lot of fun for anyone and killer for those it’s perfect for- but I’m too tall, it’s too short and too heavy and the suspension is sketchy. And why you worried about comparing price all of a sudden if you got all that cake. Just joking. Sweet ride and I’m sure you got the suspension sorted. Have a great one.
@coryjones2267 3 жыл бұрын
I love mine. Front end comes up in every gear
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
lol heck yeah!
@VinnyBoy20 3 жыл бұрын
Love the bike. Now just need the money lol
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
lol I hear ya!
@hanshan12 3 жыл бұрын
600 miles per oil change?
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@Weltbummler23 3 жыл бұрын
Honda added the extra R cause they forgot to put it there in the first place. They just made it clear its an enduro and not a dual sport like the 300L and 650L. Cant even compare them.
@cartaun5276 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe honda should throw an LC4 in there, just saying
@timbak24 3 жыл бұрын
How to order sir?
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
If you'd like to purchase a CRF450RL like this, check out www.SouthernHonda.com
@Canoneosmiami 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for important maintenance $$$ mention…
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
No problem at all. Thank you for saying "thanks" haha ;) I just try to think of information I would want to know if I was in their shoes and that's a big one. Plus it's something that is usually an afterthought for a lot of people, you get excited about that new toy and the last thing you're thinking about is how often will I have to maintain it and the last thing some people expect is to hear a number like that when some of the other models are at 8,000 mile intervals.
@dsg750 3 жыл бұрын
Annoying Clips keeps popping up , eradicate non relative clip insertion,
@moh.nasirudin7284 2 жыл бұрын
Semoga aja rilis di Indonesia 🇮🇩🥰
@mamatuja 2 жыл бұрын
Honda should make the gas tank on this bike only half a gallon so you don't feel like you have to change the oil every time you fill up😁😁😁
@HondaProKevin 2 жыл бұрын
lol love it man, cracked me up!
@itsmylife4fucksake 2 жыл бұрын
has smaller weight then CRF 300l and more power :P No brainer for who wants more fun :) Is it bigger in size then CRF 300L and CRF 300 rally ?
@HondaProKevin 2 жыл бұрын
lol yeah buddy, it's definitely more fun when you twist that throttle thanks to more power and lighter to boot! They're very close in physical size, the 450 is narrower when you're on it though and just feels smaller even though they are so close.
@t_c5266 3 жыл бұрын
600 mile oil change intervals though...
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if you're really want to log some miles then that can definitely be a deal breaker. But if you just want to do a 100 miles every other weekend on the trails etc then you're really not changing the oil that often so-to-say. It all depends on how much you use it and if it's worth it to you at the end of the day. Is it for everyone? Nah. However 600 miles is a lot when we're talking off-road fun.
@brianblack546 3 жыл бұрын
My klk 230 has 600 mile oil changes. It only has 1.1 liters of oil so I can understand it works hard
@rickshawphilippines 3 жыл бұрын
Too bad not sold in Philippines
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
It's a shame! You could definitely do some exploring out there on one!
@ODamoo 3 жыл бұрын
It sucks in durability and to much darn maintenance that is a major draw back, els from that it would have bin a swell bike but now I would prefer the 300CFR over the 450CFR for a long shot.
@billyarsenault1970 3 жыл бұрын
Clearly you have no fucking clue- Honda does not make anything that “Sucks in durability” - you must be thinking of the other brands. And this is the CRF not the CFR. Have a good one.
@dmorgan724 3 жыл бұрын
C'mon Honda..... let's make a Rally edition and increase the service intervals.. build it.. We will buy it. (and let's keep the cost reasonable... OUR reasonable.. not yours)
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
lol the last part cracked me up! It's spot on though, people are clearly wanting it - Honda just needs to pony up and build it. They can definitely do it, it's just whether or not they think it's profitable in the end.
@FreddyTroche 3 жыл бұрын
I belive a DRz or dr650 will beat this in the long run.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Those are great bikes too! It'll be interesting to see how this model does in comparison to those after a few more years.
@FreddyTroche 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin i ended buying that dr650
@just_T4U 3 жыл бұрын
Tenere700 is just about same price, which is way better
@veeayeeeceee 3 жыл бұрын
I don't have the skill to ride one. Now the experience... But I have a serious question, Is this a good beginner's bike?
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
lol good question! Is it a good beginner's bike? Nope. Could a beginner ride it? Oh yeah. If you're a beginner and wanting a dual-sport bike then I would look into something that is more "beginner bike friendly" like the CRF300L or CRF300L Rally etc. They are half the price, cheaper parts when you drop it, cheaper to maintain etc but you do lose out on performance so it's a toss up and it all boils down to what you want in the long run and are willing to pay for so-to-say.
@veeayeeeceee 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin Thanks for the advice 👌🏼
@tjmns 3 жыл бұрын
Just buy both at the same time hha
@shawnhudson3735 3 жыл бұрын
For the 600 mile oil change and nearly 300lbs. I would rather go the way of KTM, sorry! Price isn't much different either, so Honda lower the weight and extend the interval to at least 2k, but oh well...
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Fingers crossed they're working on a CRF450 Rally that will extended those intervals out as that's the biggest thing keeping a lot of guys from making the jump. They can definitely do it, it's just whether or not they think it's profitable in the long run with sinking more money in R&D.
@shawnhudson3735 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin Thanks for the response! You're putting together some great content, and yes a Rally 450 with longer intervals from Honda would be my unicorn bike.
@Tacoexplorer 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not certain but Ktm cheats and numbers are dry vs wet numbers with the Honda.
@NANA-qn8on 3 жыл бұрын
I'll pass. Too expensive for what you get. Bike needs 2k investment to address the flameouts and the weight is not in the big bore dual sport game to go head to head with Husqvarna FE500s or KTM.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and posting up your thoughts! Always interesting to hear people's opinions and takes on models.
@arioncatalan6518 3 жыл бұрын
Nice sounds like a sewing machine. 😂😂😂
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Lol! Compared to the CRF450R it definitely sounds like a sewing machine but... check out my latest Metropolitan video and there's your sewing machine ;)
@kevinnashskitchen3517 3 жыл бұрын
Still not a world travel bike. But nice to go out and get to nearby trails legally on a road. Good thing we can still get a DR650 to make a light Adventure Bike 😂Need the 450 in the 300 Rally form.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
lol yes sir, still definitely not a world travel bike. You won't be "needing" one for much longer... cough cough ;)
@MrEtnorb 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin here in Australia, Honda discontinued the CRF450L after a less than stellar introduction. The new price was ridiculous and there was no large tank available until the Nomad 20 l tank. As for the good old DR, it can’t be sold new here in a few months as it doesn’t have ABS brakes.
@bicepusmaximus 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure there’s no cush drive on this bike
@philipthomas3938 3 жыл бұрын
A low service interval version of this Rally version big tank ,rear rack and panniers and protection bars dual sport blah blah blah
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
100% it'd sell like hot cakes!
@RadioReprised 2 жыл бұрын
As a lifelong Honda guy.........I bought a KTM.
@HondaProKevin 2 жыл бұрын
KTM has been killing it lately! If you don't mind me asking, which one did you go with and how are you liking it?
@RadioReprised 2 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin I have a 450 EXC and it is awesome for me as I wanted a barely legal dirtbike rather than a Street friendly bike that can go in the dirt. I always loved Honda's fit and finish over every other bike (And I have had 23 Hondas!) but the KTM is really built well, with top quality parts and light weight right out of the box. I think there is a place and buyer for the Honda, it just wasn't ''Hard Core'' enough for Me.
@DennnisDubeau 3 жыл бұрын
Nope.. Don't want to twist a ratchet all summer... I prefer to twist a throttle grip...
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Lol that cracked me up!
@DennnisDubeau 3 жыл бұрын
@@HondaProKevin Matter of what you want to do... I'm not aiming to try to make the bike fly over mountains... so, my upcoming CRF300L RALLY will do perfectly.
@animalcrackrzz 3 жыл бұрын
way to expensive !
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
It's definitely not cheap but like they say, gotta pay to play lol!
@johnr5545 Жыл бұрын
God bless
@humair_shah 3 жыл бұрын
40 hp ... boooooooo
@jimmyzinc 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t buy Honda. Honda is straight crap. The 08 CRF450R is considered one of their best BUT mine sucked. Go KTM.
@HondaProKevin 3 жыл бұрын
Hate to hear you got a bad apple out of the bunch. KTM makes some killer bikes for sure!
@someguy5035 2 жыл бұрын
600 mile oil changes? Tiny 2 gallon fuel tank? This thing isn't a dual sport; it is an expensive, crappy dirt bike with turn signals and a headlight. Who is buying these things and why? Why not move up to an Africa Twin or down to a CRF300L/Rally? With this nonsense 450RL you get the *WORST* of both worlds.
@plantpower3048 Жыл бұрын
how tf is this a replacement?
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