how's the handling? im hearing bad things

Have you gotten used to the tech? I have the exact same car, and it took me months to sort it out. But I think I've discovered most of it by now; the touchscreen in place of that infernal pad is a great help to doing so.

I also have a 2017 ES 350...love the heck outta that car...hope to keep it until I can pick up a 2022 CPO in a few years.

I might keep this for 10 years. It's not the best looking from the outside, but it's glorious when you are driving it.

Worth noting for readers that the 2017 was on a completely different platform than the 2019 and newer. No carryover mechanical fundamentals except the engine. Testers agree that the 2019 has a tauter feel and better handling, although a less comfortable rear seating position for taller passengers.

Impressive! 👏

Appreciate it! 😁

Awesome car! Congrats! 😁

AWD doesn't fit on V6 3.5 with the TNGA platform - the 2.5 4cyl is no slouch - I own one and prefer the stability over the power :)

@@rjohns25 Exactly. There is always a compromise with Toyota products. But V6 AWD not fitting TNGA platform is a lie Toyota is telling to mask its lack of effort as the Hilander is using the same platform and V6 and AWD. Their mindset is that as long as ppl will buy their subpar products no matter what in name of "perceived reliability" they don't put any engineering effort into better products.

@@kizo172 BS, Ki Zo. It's not "perceived reliability." As Consumer Reports survey data continues to prove, it delivers ACTUAL reliability. You're free to think that shouldn't be their priority, but your bias is showing if you claim they simply aren't making "effort' and their products are "subpar." They simply have different engineering priorities than yours.

@@tonysterbenc How many Toyota products you had so far? We had a big bunch and right now there is a NX200 parked in our garage. And man when you start that car and that engine vibrates you like you are sitting on a jack hammer then you realize what you read and hear on those mostly paid "repords" are biased. One year toward Toyota one year toward GM! Thats enough said LOL yeah the Lexus dealership told us the Toyota 4 cylinders are "deliberately" designed to work rough to to give off tough persona! Priorities?!

@@kizo172 Ki Zo, I have two Toyota products. One in the left side of my garage, and another in the right. No, Toyota 4 cylinders are not "deliberately" designed to run rough. You got a salesman who's a liar, and I'm very sorry you had to put up with that. But the salesman is not even an employee of Toyota; dealerships are independent franchise businesses. So your anger is better directed at the dealership's service department, because yes, your engine probably needs to be fixed. It happens.

That was a minor refresh, the next major refresh is in 2025. The last major one was for the 2019 year. So in 2025 they will have AWD but knowing them it will also have a Turbo V4 giving around 300hp, the NA v6 will be gone for good

Awesome car! Congrats!

Thank you.

They can’t engine replacement. Check is

You can go for IS 350 F sport as it comes with AWD drive.

@@niyiayoolatitus4260 yes, thank you, that is a beautiful car! 👍

Buy Bridgestone Blizzack snow tires on their own rims from the Tire Rack. Better than AWD. My ES350 wears them from November to the end of April, and it never goes in the ditch, and stops on ice. AWD cars ride worse, get less MPG, and if they don't have snow tires, they can't stop either, because the tires don't grip the road surface.

Costlier to build. They did it on the GS 350. Great car that was canceled because nobody bought it.

If only they made it RWD or AWD like the IS. I like the V6 and AWD, but sadly they don’t come together.

If your leasing them then no!

Yes. My mother has a 2010 model. Looking to replace with 2022 model - and reliability and ride comfort are the reasons she’s buying another one.

Varies. Those who do, often choose Lexus. Those who care more about other factors often choose BMW, Mercedes or Audi, often with a lease.

Quite possibly! 👍

Not quite -- its reliability scores aren't quite reaching the stratospheric levels of the 2013-18 -- but it's up there.

I have the 2015 ultra luxury panoramic

How does the suspension feel going over dips and bumps in the road? How loud is it on the highway?

@@jeffs70chevelle My only recent frame of reference is having driven my wife’s 2020 Highlander Limited, my 2012 Camry hybrid and a 2019 ES 350 F sport model prior to buying my UL trim. I’d estimates it absorbs bumps and road imperfections about as well as the Highlander. however, the Highlander weighs more, and the tires have thicker side walls so I would expect it to be a little more “floaty“. Compared to my Camry, the ride is definitely smoother over the road. Quieter? Yes, but That’s hard to say as my Camry is a hybrid and it’s pretty quiet (sitting still, but not in motion) all by itself. The ES F sport I test drove, in my opinion, was way too stiffly sprung, and not worthy of a Lexus badge. Road noise was also worse than my trim. However, the UL trim comes with “acoustic glass” though I don’t know how much difference it really makes versus standard Glass. All that to say that your experience will vary, depending upon what vehicle or vehicles you currently drive or have had extensive drive time with in the past. Best of luck to you. These are great cars in any trim in my opinion.

@@umat6991 thanks for the detailed reply. I think road noise is my primary annoyance with some cars especially at highway speeds; would you say your ES is not much different than the Camry or Highlander? That's also good to hear is smoother than a Camry, but by how much? My Civic is like being on a jetski after rebounding from every little dip in the road. I'd also like to test an older G90 for that suspension smoothness, but those are harder to find.

@@jeffs70chevelle Sorry for the late reply. Life's just too busy these days. Yes, I would rate the ES quieter than the others. At speed, there's no comparison to the Camry (much louder) and the sound in the ES isn't "cavernous" as it sounds in the Highlander. The ES doesn't absorb the road like 1960s Cadillacs, but that, IMO, is a good thing. It's smooth and comfortable, but you still have some feel of the road without it being intrusive or distracting. In the end, test drive all your options at varying speeds. Hope you find "the one" that makes you happiest. 🙂

Thanks!

Avalon and Es will be made in Japan now

They sell too many for it to be canceled lol

Avalon has been cancelled after this model year. ES lives on, although as xtac said, it will become a Japan-built car in a year or two.

@@tonysterbenc I don't care where ES is made, as long as I can get one with 3.5 V-6 engine. I can't ever see myself with a hybrid; would consider going totally EV if they still let me keep a license and a key fob when EV Lexus ES is available..LOL!!

@@alanhumphrey4198 ES V6 will die forever in a year or two. It's one of the big reasons I picked one up now. They will be very reliable and durable used cars for years to come, though.

I don’t see that looking very good. It’s got to be one or the other.

Facts…because I’m in the market.

That is the difference between Lexus and it's rivals. Lexus isn't about performance and "sport" handling. However, Lexus is caving into that by offering the F Sport stuff. Reason why Lexus is reliable is because they don't complicate their drive train thus it has less chance to break down. Plus 0-60 IRL, unless you drag racing or a car enthusiast, isn't that important for most people.

I think all people that review cars on here do the 0-60 it's standard across the board even though the car isn't designed for sportiness

Damn! You really became angry, huh???

This is the most ridiculous comment ive ever seen lol.

Exactly, this car is for comfort and luxury. That’s it.

I never use 'em, but they occasionally help and basically never hurt. You can't say that for auto start/stop, which is obnoxious and intrusive.

Lol that's funny! Sorry about that! 😆

@@goldpony No need to apologize. Us new car folks are pretty well used to seeing how cheap vehicles and general merchandise is there. We are paying the equivalent of $4.32USD/gal here in oil country Alberta.

@@Michael_Livingstone 2.97 USD for a gallon of gas today in North Carolina, sunny, 70 degrees, shorts weather, leaves changing colors slowly. Life is good!

Yes, Luxury and Ultra Luxury have it standard.

Not great, but most cars aren't. The best thing you can do is replace the awful traction-free OEM tires with either dedicated winter tires like Blizzak or with Michelin CrossClimate II's, which have shown stunning snow performance in independent testing.

Not in US Toyota Camry.

@@WaheedKhan-mm3pw I can custom build one with heated and ventilated seats on Toyota's website.

My mother-in-law rides back there so I don’t need it…

@@rmwright11221979 yeah the front seats not the rear ones. The es also has heated and ventilated seats in the front.

Most say no.

Just gotta get some good tires and you'll be fine without AWD. You'll actually be better off in the snow with good winter tires and FWD then with all-seasons and AWD.

AWD is offered with 4 cyl only

@@limpunsing224 yeah and that 4 cyl is severely underpowered

@@GearboxCarReviews had a friend who thought the same thing until his car slide off the road

@@GearboxCarReviews what about in the rain?

Independent, but very few choices. Dash cams, you're on your own.

You might have more luck getting this answer if you ask the question on an LX video.

I believe you might have a serious problem if you hear rattling.. Something is coming loose?. I'm not sure and I'm not a mechanic. Just would be worrisome in my opinion.

A serious problem ? Come on . I brought it to dealer they heard nothing .

The ambient lighting on models that have it is a real anticlimax, so dim you can barely see it even in the dark. You can almost picture the argument in the conference room with somebody objecting, "But if it's bright, it'll distract the driver!" The FWD is fine in routine use, but this is not a corner carver even in F Sport trim. My gut is that you'd be happier with the Germans.

Yes. But according to Car and Driver, that meant 0 to 60 in 5.8 seconds, so that's no disgrace at all. That's a fine car in its own right you have there, with a durable and highly respected J Series V6. Don't be in any hurry to sell it.

@Tony Sterbenc I traded it in June for a Mercedes-Benz C300. I only had 30,000 miles on it but I was getting a little bored, having had it for 6 years.

Not quite. This one has more wheelbase for a smoother ride. It also has much more sound suppression, especially as you move up the price ladder. And the transmission is tuned differently; some testers have said it's more responsive.

No, the car and engine are the same as the Toyota Avalon. It is NOT based on a Camry! Check the dimensions of the two and they are virtually identical. Note they say they tweaked the engine just a little to get it up to 302 hp so they can say it has more than the Avalon @ 301 hp which no doubt is tweaked to be greater than 300 hp quoted by some other cars!! But it's an Avalon for sure. Yes, 302 > 301 > 300 if you compare raw numbers.. But silly...

@Joe Bidumb Heck no, I better win a IS 500

This is ridiculous. The 302 horsepower completely overwhelms the front tires as it is, and this is completely inconsistent with the mission of the car. How old are you, anyway?

You must mean the ES 250 AWD or the hybrid. The 302-hp V6 ES 350 sure as hell has power.

Better? Depends on what your priorites are. Mercedes more reliable? Uh... no.

If you think its agility is good, you'd be blown away by the 2019 and newer, which are on an entirely new chassis that enables fundamentally better handling.