Nice content. Please make a vid explaining running between e40 and 93 for daily use. Is it just switching the map and getting the blend right? How to achieve right blend on empty tank. Ty
@HangMan1137 ай бұрын
Would like to know also.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
For those of you impatient head to 12:18 for the final numbers 😁. Loving the new power in the car. Have you protuned your '22 yet?
@inactivemogul403 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the knowledge sharing, and the extra with the shop owner. Do you need to have an access port or jb4 to get tuned? And last what boost are you running now? Looking forward to some re races in the future 😁👍
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@inactivemogul403 hey there! Thanks for watching. I believe we were at 19.5lb I'll have to confirm. I do have an Accessport and a Burgwr Motorsport intake.
@KasamTK Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! u got me really thinking about it lol. How much have you spent so far?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@KasamTK for parts I spent about $200 on a used accessport , paid the $150 to upgrade it to the '22. Then the intake I got on sale for $350 during black Friday. The tune was free because they sponsored my build....which normally would be maybe 400-600. So potentially you're looking at $1200 or so for +100hp/tq almost. Which is a damn good price vs performance. Etune would be cheaper but the experience of going to the Dyno is worth it if you've never been.
@mooreweasel Жыл бұрын
I have the ets intake and axle back exhaust. Saving up for the full cat back. Then ill probably tune. But I notice a significant power difference once I put the intake on. All I run is 93 in mine. Idk hp or anything but it feels closer to 280 to 290 from how it felt at stock. Could be wrong. Lol
@momsbasement656 Жыл бұрын
For pump gas enthusiasts: 268hp 267ft/lbs (bone stock) 321hp 361ft/lbs (BM filter/protune) 53HP and 94ft/lbs gained with a filter and tune. On 93 octane pump gas.
@absolutelyfailz4480 Жыл бұрын
20% more displacement can do that
@clay180 Жыл бұрын
Man, something tells me the engineers in the WRX division wanted to make an STI variant but got the plug pulled early. The numbers on the VB 22 WRX are impressive.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@clay180 yes I feel like this may have happened. I really wonder if we will ever get a leak from Subaru detailing it.
@jlucas9342 Жыл бұрын
These are dyno jet #'s which are higher than mustang. My FA20 with intake and turbo back on a conservative tune made 292 and 280 on a mustang. On a dynojet that would be around 320 and 310.
@jlucas9342 Жыл бұрын
Thats on 93
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Yeah the numbers game is something that can be played back and forth but this is why I was trying to include all of the stock numbers so you guys can see more the percent difference between stock and where we ended up rather than what the end number turned out to be.
@19Herofade92 Жыл бұрын
Dynojets do read higher than other dyno's. Put it on a mustang dyno and feel the heart break lol.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
I mean the number itself isnt as important. If we just look at the % increase that is the real game, right? I know people like to discuss the difference between the two..I want to try and avoid that haha
@wage6681 Жыл бұрын
Please leave me and my ej alone 🥺 That's insane. That dyno graph shows there's quite a bit more on the table there. Wonder how much the stock motor can handle. Because it seems like a couple parts put the power up past the "safe range". I know these have been having issues with rtv in the pickup though.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
So the rumblings are 400 horsepower and 400 torque is the sweet spot so far. I actually have an interview that I'll be doing for my channel next week with someone who had direct contact with Subaru representation at the time of the WRX release. These representatives provided detailed information on what happened to the STI and what we can expect in this FA 24. I don't want to spill the beans but I'll say tune in next week. It's going to be a doozy 🙏🤘
@wage6681 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX hell yeah man. Sad to see the ej go, but in terms of efficiency, this is pretty great. The ej just suffered so much from emissions related equipment and decisions to keep the car from getting the EPA axe.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@wage6681 It's okay man. To be fair, it's been out 30 years. It was an absolute workhorse and it it was still live on through aftermarket blocks. That's for sure
@wage6681 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX after seeing what this thing can do, I might actually get one as a daily 😂. I love my STI but it's a little too aggressive sometimes when I'm just trying to chill. I'll probably turn it into my weekend/track car. This seems like the best of both worlds when it comes to sub 400hp. Easy to make power and pretty safe. Past that, any Subaru engine requires a lot of modification to achieve it and be reliable. The nice thing about the ej was just the port injection. But I'd bet we'll start seeing some port injection kits for the fa24 soon 😎. I always love to see a Subaru hurt someone's V8 feelings lmao. Can't believe I just found this channel too. Amazing content for 1500 subscribers. Big sub.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@wage6681 honestly, that's not a bad idea. The STI definitely is more suited for the track and a lot of good. It can do there with some extra suspension mods and some good tires. The VB is fantastic for the road and honestly with a few more mods it can also be an absolute track beast. My friend whether I have 1500 or 15 million subs. I will always put my all and have fun with these videos. 🙏🤘
@Acrimoniousbear1 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome. I had 4k into my ‘20 wrx before selling. All bolt ons cept a turbo and was at 335hp on 91. Your numbers are excellent for just a intake and tune. Keep up the content and thanx for sharing
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I had a '21 that had intake and jpipe and made just shy of 300. I spent almost $2400 for that. Here I spent $350 and I made more on 93 haha. Ethanol was also just crazy how much more we got.
@ravrav4523 Жыл бұрын
I hate to be the cynic here but there is no way an intake adds 30 hp, 10 max. there had to be something else.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
You're allowed to believe whatever you want. All I can tell you is what we did. Without intake we made 289. A baseline tune with the intake ( which is a corrected map to include the extra airflow from the intake) was 319. We didn't just put the intake on and rerun the car with the previous map. This was a corrected map to account for the added part. Could you be under the impression that we just installed the Intake and reran the car with the previous map?
@ravrav4523 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX yes that is what i thought.
@DoubleOSevan Жыл бұрын
Earned a new sub! Love that you're exploring what this car has to offer. The new WRX has really flown under the radar for a multitude of reasons, but Subaru made a lot of engineering improvements that result in a MUCH better car. Enthusiasts really have a treat with this thing and I'm curious to see how these play out reliability wise. Though the STI is gone (for now), I'd like to see a performance package to alleviate some of the concerns in the braking department and make this a better all-around car for street/track duty.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I am a firm believer in this car. I feel like reviewers really did this car wrong...there was so much to talk about beyond just "3 more horsepower" and they failed the community. I will do whatever I can to show others that the new WRX is worth their time. Stay tuned as I'll have tons more. 🙏
@Enrgz115 Жыл бұрын
Damn that is a huge power increase for just an intake and a tune! Sounds great too
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Yea intake and e40 blend but even just an k take we made 321/360 on 93.
@ArturoAlvarez16 Жыл бұрын
he should rematch the 2013 STI with these new numbers!
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@ArturoAlvarez16 oh yes my friend with the double STi hatchbacks is ready to go hahah
@ArturoAlvarez16 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX lets goo! hahah
@Darylrb1983 Жыл бұрын
Love that the tuner kept the torque in check and flat
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Even the stock torque curve is like that. It's incredible what the new engine can do and how it does it. Right now my car has a tune for 400hp/450tq. I have a daily tune at 362/374.
@Christosan88 Жыл бұрын
Love your energy and perspective. Car speaks for itself too. Amazing.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. Glad it shows through the video. I'm usually not nervous but when I start recording videos sometimes I get a bit of nerves 😂
@zukashake9717 Жыл бұрын
great job these videos. These are all the dynos that I've wanted to see
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I'm glad you were able to get some good information out of this video. 😎
@soohighneedair Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the amazing tune! Thank you for another great video!
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Of course! Thank you for watching 🤘
@soohighneedair Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX I think we all need a round 2 against that VA 😉
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@soohighneedair haha I talked to my buddy in the VA. He isn't ready for this much heat 😁
@aldair1294 Жыл бұрын
What's the name of this song? 7:20 Thanks for the video tho. I have a forester, thinking on buying this wrx next
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Hey! That's actually my track. It's not a full song, just a little backing track with some freestyle noodling I recorded on reaper. I can send you the track if you'd like to listen to it in it's entirety.
@bryanallendorf7064 Жыл бұрын
That's awesome. I'm working in Altoona Iowa about 25 min from Boosted Performance. Can't wait till I get my replacement Accessport. 😩
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
That's awesome! I actually just did an interview with Graham over at Boosted Performance. He's such a great guy and does absolute magic with Subarus.
@conanrussell7458 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this vid up. It’s great to have a reference point for these mods.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Of course! I'm happy to be the guinea pig for the community 🙏🤘😁
@716Flat411 ай бұрын
What did you do to your fuel system to get on corn? these arent flex fuel and I thought we could only put 3 gallons per tank in for a max of e24 assuming you find perfect e85.
@HeavyMetalWRX11 ай бұрын
Hey there! So far no fueling updates have been necessary for e85. Many tuners have confirmed that the entire system is rated for E85.
@PJs_Rage2 ай бұрын
Sorry for my newbie question. So no flex fuel sensor needed?
@LAdumpsterbaby Жыл бұрын
WOW! Thats over 100hp/tq to the wheels with intake, protune and e40 blend. Time to get out there and hurt some feelings 💪💪💪
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
yes...where are all the STis at hahaha
@brianboguski3962 Жыл бұрын
In addition to the JPipe, I would also suggest a new charge pipe, when they come out. The FA20s had some decent benefits with a CP, and I would assume that the FA24 would be the same.
@LAdumpsterbaby Жыл бұрын
Perrin has one out 👍👍
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
That's the plan! I didn't know perrin had one out already. The stock intercooler is actually incredible. All the back to backs we did the intercooler never went over 115. Adam was saying that a VA in the same spot would have been 150 easy.
@brianboguski3962 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX I didn’t see one on the Perrin site so it must be super new. I would check to see if it has a GESI cat. Since the 22 TMIC is “close” in design to the STI, I’m not surprised it does so well.
@ArturoAlvarez16 Жыл бұрын
DUDE now you need a rematch against the 2013 STI!
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Ohh yea he knows it's going down 🤣
@ianholmquist8492 Жыл бұрын
And a driver mod for the sti so they can't falsify the results this time.
@LymaxVisuals Жыл бұрын
Why is it only being revved out to 3,800?!
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
What do you mean? The redline was raised to 6400rpm.
@LymaxVisuals Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX oh, I just noticed on one of the pulls the engine rpm on the dyno was saying 3,800
@Christiian1k Жыл бұрын
Do you need any fueling upgrades or sensors to run ethanol on the 22’ wrxs?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Nah. We can run up to e55 I believe with no extra pump changes.
@guitaradam2000 Жыл бұрын
FA24 has a lot of potential. Clearly a better engine than the FA20. But the FB WRX is just soooo ugly it makes me want to cry
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
It's definitely a subjective issue that keeps coming up and that's ok.
@seebassark-illa4860 Жыл бұрын
You got any plans for the RTV in the oil pick up/pan issue?👀 Deff gota keep an eye out now that you making all this extra HP 😬
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
We talked about it. At this time we're just gonna wait and see if Subaru makes any moves. If not when Killer b releases an aftermarket pickup well install that when we drop the pan.
@seebassark-illa4860 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I think the Killer B route will prob be available first and good plan of action.. With Subarus Track record with "admitting/fixing known faults" 🙄😅
@lauriedooker1031 Жыл бұрын
It’s a killa wrx in white
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
🤍🐻❄️ the best color
@lauriedooker1031 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX I got a gr Yaris rally au in white and it just works 👍❤️🇦🇺
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@lauriedooker1031 I wish I could get my hands one any of the GR cars to try out.
@andrez4486 Жыл бұрын
🤯OMG
@ninjaboy2000 Жыл бұрын
Great content…appreciate what you’re doing
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed. Thanks !
@Holtenstein Жыл бұрын
I dig the music on this channel. Want to see this engine swapped into an older STI. Seems like it would be a better upgrade than a JDM EJ.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much ! I've been writing music for a long time but never shared it with anyone really. Now it has a place to be. As the FA24 gets more exposure as a performance engine and blocks become available I think it's definitely a possibility to see other Subarus with blown engines do the swap.
@pekpekplz Жыл бұрын
Subaru really made this engine tuner friendly. The old EJ and FAs had trouble with tuning and would require more mods just to get these number alone. The real question is how reliable it is. Only time will tell if these stock blocks can handle all this power for longer term.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Well we know of the prime motoring FA24 from the ascent they put in a Crosstrek. It made 550 on the stock block and, allegedly, after 50+ Dyno pulls it was still great. This was with stock internals. So we're thinking if we can even get away with 400hp everyone would be happy.
@N3RF4LIF3 Жыл бұрын
I saw the short the other day. First time seeing a new WRX on the dyno. I think I was spot on with the whp guess. I think I said 350. I would've thought you had more done to it. At least FBO.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
That was the plan but the jpipe wasn't ready. Also we discussed the intercooler and the factory one is super efficient. So I am going to hold off on that for now. The biggest thing I'm excited for is Cobb said that there may very well be a CARB compliant flex fuel kit coming very soon....running higher ethanol count is going to help power significantly. The price vs performance value for ethanol is very high compared to hard parts. It's gonna be another $2k to get a jpipe, intercooler, and hard pipe where as flex kit is probably gonna be $400-500. We shall see how it goes.
@Ieatzboltz Жыл бұрын
Only reason I haven’t traded up is that I enjoy the flex fuel ability on my VA. I wouldn’t want to deal with the headache of getting the right ethanol mix.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
I hear what you are saying. There are rumors that we might have carb compliance for flex soon from Cobb. Let's see what happens!
@SeanMPrice-oo7id Жыл бұрын
better check the oil pick up, these are having the same problem as the brz with 2 much rtv on the oil pan and its getting sucked into the oil pick up
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
That way we are going to Dela with this is just let it roll for now. I know there are a few aftermarket pickups coming soon. If we're gonna drop the pan we're gonna change the pickup at the same time.
@AntonioHernandez-bp3mx Жыл бұрын
The cvt version can't get pro tuned at all right ?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
At this time, it can not. You can use the JB4 tho but I'd be careful with the transmission.
@AntonioHernandez-bp3mx Жыл бұрын
@HeavyMetalWRX thanks for the advise I'll keep it in mind I'm just looking into dial in the ets intake and help it run safer than just slapping it on and making the engine run too lean, not looking for crazy numbers it's just I bought the intake and it's been sitting here for 2months now I feel like it was a waste cause I really can't use it. the only things I've done to the wrx is ets mid pipe and cut off the small box resonator under the drivers side and axel back exhaust and dual oil catch cans feels nice so far
@tear728 Жыл бұрын
Dude I bet you're so glad to have traded in the VA for the VB. You would crush some of those other cars you pulled against now. All with like 1500 bucks in mods
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Hell yea it's amazing how much power we ended up with. I am for sure going to be doing rematches hha
@maxtynuv5536 Жыл бұрын
Did you notice any heat soak after tuning session? I understand the temps are much cooler now but a nice intercooler upgrade would be an icing on the cake.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Dude we were surprised by that. No heatsoak during those runs. Now it is a different kind of Intercooler and a little bit bigger than the last one.
@CSHracer Жыл бұрын
With the new rod design in the FA24, 400-450 torque wont be an issue at all like it was on the FA20.. The transmission will easily be the first weak point in this car. Just look at what Prime motoring did years ago with an FA24..
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Yea I think I'll start saving up for my STi transmission swap. What I really want is the DCCD.
@CSHracer Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX Exactly, that and it's ability to hold like 1k hp, haha. I'm just waiting for someone to tackle the job and we can see what it really needs. Some have suggested that the VB axles will work, and you'll just need either a slightly longer driveshaft or a small spacer. Will be interesting. And if you want the 6-pot brembo kit the rear bolt up, but up front you need to either get some custom offset rotors (I've already seen a couple) or run spacers inside of 18-21 rotors.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@CSHracer ohhh really ? I heard the front axles were too short.
@CSHracer Жыл бұрын
@HeavyMetalWRX I could be wrong, just reiterating something someone was speculating. Problem is it's going to take someone willing and able to jump into this conversion who has deep enough pockets. If custom axles are needed, in sure we'll see a company start making some.
@grantwiersum7394 Жыл бұрын
When I saw the stock boost pressure my first thought was "I wonder if, they nerfed it in software to please the emissions gods.". Cool to see that was, in fact, the case.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Yea it's possible that is the story. Or the idea was to keep the boost low to make a WRX and raise boost for a STi. I'm hoping we get a leak from Subaru one day detailing all this.
@GamerMaster250 Жыл бұрын
Oh damn in St. Louis? That’s a short drive, I’m here in Chicago. Might have to go to them for my tune.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
You can get an etune from Boosted Performance as well. Check out their website. If not you are more than welcome to come down to St. Louis! I'd love to meet you here at Ecotech I'd you do.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Actually if you do that I'd even make a video for my channel detailing your adventures 😁
@pullinstringsarchery Жыл бұрын
Hey Awais, Dropped a Sub! There are a few reasons why I don't think you are doing the STI justice. Now granted I haven't seen any other videos but in this one you mentioned that at some point people have to realize Subaru made a better car. I would say Subaru made a more tunable car. The only fair comparison imo would be a 21 STI and a 22 WRX. The 2 liter FA is never gonna have the torque that a 2.4 Liter FA does just because of displacement. Now that being said apples to apples the VA STI is still a better car than the VB WRX, there I said it. You mentioned the WRX as a "package". While I can see shorter gear ratios being better at some point that trans case is gonna show some weakness more than likely before the engine goes boom. The carbon 1st and 2nd gear synchros will help but that case is still a modified 5 speed case and doesn't compare to the STI case with regard to strength if I recall correctly. Your comparison is also related to numbers, which in the case of this car are wildly skewed from the factory and for sure don't tell the whole story. I'd like to see both the STI and your WRX on track and see how they do. The STI as a whole package is a far superior car imo. With better suspension components, a six speed, and brembo brakes the STI is gonna outperform the WRX. The STI also imo has a nicer interior than the new WRX, maybe not the GT but you can't get that with a manual so... I appreciated the content and look forward to more, but don't think that you adequately acknowledge the best aspects of the STI and only related the WRX and it in straightline speed. To which I would say, the STI has never been an easy car to make fast in a straight line. Good luck and hope to meet you on the roads someday. Once I swap my six speed into my 207 swapped bugeye and have Adam tune it maybe we can go for a ride. Old school to new school style!!!
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
I appreciate everything you said here and keeping me honest to my words. I think it's very important when having these conversations online to stick to what we believe. I went back and watch my video again(becuase even I didn't remember what I said 😂) and I said "Subaru made a better WRX". I have nothing but love for Subarus and I wanted a '22 STi. Since we didn't get one and I test drive a '22 WRX it really was better than a VA WRX in every way. On a track I do believe the STi has a much bigger advantage for the reasons you listed, no doubt. I would also be curious how a STi does on the track and will be conducting those tests this spring for sure! When it comes down to the straight line speed the new WRX is much closer to a STi than older WRX. I have noticed that the gearing for 1-4 is almost the same ratio as a STi. The engine is making close to the wheel what a STi makes. Of course the brakes are doodoo on a WRX and we don't have a center diff (I'm gonna sti transmission swap as soon as my transmission blows hah) and a few other things like the stiffer suspension. I am willing to bet that it's cheaper to graft a SIMILAR experience to a STi with the '22 than it was with the 15-21. The power numbers we got on the Dyno are on par with what everyone else has been getting. The car is definitely not making 271 to the crank which Subaru definitely pulled a Volkswagen and underreported. I am going to continue as much real world testing I can between the two cars. So stick around and definitely continue to keep me honest. I'm here to further the conversation 😎
@pullinstringsarchery Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX For sure bro appreciate the content and the reply!!! I agree that the VB is a great tunable platform. The FA 24 was impressive from the moment that Prime swapped it into the crosstrek and beat the ever livin daylights out of it at close to 500 WHP. I think as a "package" the STI is better, but I am a bit biased having owned a 17 STI for a year. I have had the internal debate STI vs WRX for many years just thought I would share my thoughts. On another note any concerns over the recent prime post of RTV clogging the oil pickup?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@pullinstringsarchery don't get me wrong if they released a WRX and STi for 22 I would have gotten the STi haha no bias here! The WRX has always been a fun alternative to throw some money at and watch it grow into its own. As for the RTV issue there have been so many pics and videos showing the different style of pickup than the BRZ. We talked about it at the shop and basically it's not a MAJOR issue. Subaru should fix it imo, but if they don't we think whenever an aftermarket pickup is available that's the time to have a reputable shop drop the pan , clean it up and I stall the new pickup. For now there's no issue...especially when we were on the Dyno, nothing looked out of the ordinary. Still ...time will tell but if something happens believe me, youll know haha
@Kc-kr6qs Жыл бұрын
The only thing I wish my '22 had (I have an 18 as well so I can be a pretty fair judge here), is the STI transmission cause that thing is stout. I have a feeling that the weak point on these cars is going to be that transmission. That being said, the suspension in the VB feels better, the interiors much more comfy...and I will be addressing the Brembo issue in the summer :)
@nathandaviau2769 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the capabilities of a 22 with the performance cvt transmission power capabilities
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
My local shop is actually installing parts on a CVT. They are going to ask him to get in touch with me so hopefully I'll get that on video.
@nathandaviau2769 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX sweet man . I wanna twin charge my 22 cvt
@ianholmquist8492 Жыл бұрын
You probably wouldn't actually. Every cvt subaru i have known of (2 outbacks a legacy and a crosstrek). The transmission eats itself before 70k miles
@RevO-One Жыл бұрын
Whats the tuning software/ecu ?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Stock ECU and tuned with Cobb AccessTuner.
@RevO-One Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX Thanks, whats the max injector duty cycle ? (approx) gas vs eth ? (if available) Could ethanol keep the valve train cleaner ? We are having some crazy carbon accumulation on 89 over here!!
@GR8GUY54 Жыл бұрын
Nice, bro! Damn! Us 2021 STI boys gotta drop in a bigger turbo with intercooler for anything past 350ish. And like $5k more we are kinda fast. That Torque is nice though. Looking forward to the Jpipe...definitely a game changer.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Yea that's the case for the WRX as well. Some major things we have going for VB is thicker rods, beehive valve springs, metal turbo inlet, ecbs from factory, and electronic wastegate. These items combined really allow tuners to push a bit further than we could before.
@ianholmquist8492 Жыл бұрын
I don't care what all the power crazed knuckleheads can squeeze out of it. You could not pay me to own one. It feels soft, wet, and slow compared to a 21 sti. Sti is an icon and a real sports car. The vb is a misscarriage at best
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@ianholmquist8492A lot of people keep making the mistake and not understanding that STI and WX were trims. The real icon is the Impreza. All the WRX and STI are impreza with performance packages. The STI is great. Don't get me wrong. The WRX that came out in 2015 was a good contender to the previous WRX. This new one is not meant to replace the STI which is what everybody keeps thinking and that's wrong. It's made to replace the old WRX and the generational gap between the two has risen as it should with new technology. The point of the conversation between the STI versus the new WRX is how much that gap has been closed. The STI is now going on 30-year-old technology. You can hate the way that it looks but mechanically denying what it can do is only ignorance.
@GR8GUY54 Жыл бұрын
@Ian Holmquist I have both the 21 and the 22 and know exactly what you mean. I had to pay for my fun and will not cross over. I just hate all that speed n Torque they get for hella cheap!
@momsbasement656 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for these great videos. Subscribed. Can't wait to see what a downpipe does in terms of power and also sound. Do a decibel meter before and after!
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! When I get the jpipe I'll find an audio meter to get good readings! People always ask for that but I don't have one.
@momsbasement656 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX Soundmeters are cheap. There are even free apps on your phone. I'm far more interested in the power. People on Facebook groups have been saying COBB won't allow ProTuners to tune single-cat downpipes!
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@momsbasement656 really ? That's very interesting about the cat. I thought the ETS jpipe only has one cat. Also the jpipe my shop is making me is also only a single cat
@momsbasement656 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX Yeah, I've never seen a JPipe with multiple cats. I suspect it's a BS rumor.
@ScotlandSaint5 ай бұрын
Need a tuner in St Louis. Anybody know of one?
@HeavyMetalWRX5 ай бұрын
Come to ecotech. That's where all my Dynos have been done. You can use Graham or you can use the local tuner Adam who is fantastic and has been tuning Subarus for some time.
@chrischarles9218 Жыл бұрын
Another AWESOME video! Time for more dig VS vids.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
You are correct! Just gotta get some better weather. Summer tire digs in 30 degrees ist fun haha
@MrGsxrme Жыл бұрын
Here's the next question. How's the clutch making out?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
It's still new. But I'd say things are going to start looking bleak for it now that it's tuned. Might need to switch over to aftermarket in a few months. I tend to make a lot of race videos and plan to do more in the future. Clutch is just an innocent bystander 😂
@SonikJesus Жыл бұрын
STi owners’ egos are not hurt. You don’t have the sound, the legendary engine, the tranny, the brakes, and the badge. The WRX tranny will limit any possible power gain. And there will be no STi based on this WRX.
@iakpwnzjoolol Жыл бұрын
legendary EJ that blows up when you look at it wrong 🤣🤣
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
This right here shows it all. It's not about hating on the old , it's about embracing the new. Subaru had a great run with the EJ and they designed something new for the future. I love all Subarus but the hate that the new WRX gets from the community is , as usual, misplaced. Instead of lifting up the next generation certain members of the community just show up to start shit. The tranny is great , the engine was great but had many shortcomings. The brakes anyone can buy brembos. The badge wouldn't exist without an Impreza...same goes for WRX. Plus the badge lives on more cars than just the STi. Embrace change, accept the future.
@SonikJesus Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX Bro, you’re the one who said STi owners’ egos are hurt. No one showed up out of nowehere to start shit; it was a response to you and a pretty logical one too. So who started the shit?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@SonikJesus STi owners egos were hurt the second Subaru canned the new STi and brought out the WRX. "It's not a Subaru, it can't be a STi, it's not better, it's garbage". This is what was said right out of the gate when the new WRX was announced. To this day a STi owner still hates on a WRX owner for putting a wing on. STi owners forget that we are all driving upbadged modified Imprezas. It's time to accept the reality that the STi had a great run and will be back later with an improved engine...probably a FA24. Accept the future.
@SonikJesus Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX I had none of those thoughts as an STi owner. Hell, my ego might’ve even been boosted because I know I got the last ICE STi. Your responses clearly sound like your ego is hurt because the WRX will never be an STi. You sound butthurt af.
@straitupstaticx Жыл бұрын
Why did your tuner go with e40? E30 seems to be the norm. I wanna see if it's good for e50/E60. My tuner said we can start there. Hell yea. No mods yet. But once I have $ and I like the products. Catback and j pipe, maybe intake.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
E50/E60 is still not fully mapped out on the ECU. We know it can be done but for daily driving my tuner has been sticking with e40 maximum. Once I go back for the Jpipe if there's an adjustment to be made on the fueling we will make it then.
@straitupstaticx Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX my cousin ran E60 on the VA WRX. I guess that was the best blend? Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that most VA owners were running E60 and not E85. So I guess we will reach a threshold point we're increasing ethanol percentage doesn't increase power anymore. I'm guessing it will be the same about. And my 2005 STI run straight E85 but that's apples to. That was a 612whp beast.
@Mr_Spool8550 Жыл бұрын
VB for the Win!!!!!!
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Yes! The VB is proving to be a great tuning platform.
@McRex203 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s time for a few rematches 🤣
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Hahaha you are 100% right! It's gonna happen 🤣
@jedwin4816 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX yes- this is what I'm waiting for as well. Every car you've raced before here rerun them in the same order and let's see how the tables have turned. Excellent video work 👍.
@builtvisions Жыл бұрын
Wow, that’s very impressive! The WRX officially makes more power for cheaper compared to an EVO, lol. Subaru went out with a bang with this engine.
@momsbasement656 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Subaru finally makes something that can hang with my old 4g63 DSM. Only took 30 years. Putting my order in today for Solar Orange WRX.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@momsbasement656 yea something to remember is it's great for a Subaru..but when compared to other cars they have been doing it longer. We still love our subie's 🤣
@builtvisions Жыл бұрын
@@momsbasement656 Eh, better late than never I would say. EJs were always great engines with a ton of aftermarket support. It's just now the new FAs can make power MUCH easier with little work done.
@momsbasement656 Жыл бұрын
@@builtvisions Yeah, I just remember dropping $80 on a filter and turbo bleeder valve on a 4G63 and gaining 40HP. When the WRX arrived, I was disappointed how careful you had to be with it when tuning. The EVO kicked it's ass in every way. I'm so happy we have a excellent WRX now.
@diallo1347 Жыл бұрын
Went out with a bang? This isn't the last wrx, probably got another decade or at least 5 years
@NoMatoes. Жыл бұрын
Rad stuff. This makes me want to do this to my 22 now. What happened to the JB4? Not worth it over the Cobb AP?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
YESSSS come to the dark side 🤣I liked the jb4 but there is inherent risk in changing things at home if you don't know what they do haha. It still made good power but my local Subaru shop sponsored this tune so it was a no brainer. Plus in the future we will get launch control and hopefully flatfoot shifting and that's something the jb4 can't deliver. They are both good just different ways of tuning.
@NoMatoes. Жыл бұрын
Woooord. I’ll save up and make the jump this summer. My next mod is better break pads. The stock ones just ain’t cutting it.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@NoMatoes. OMG yes that is my next upgrade as well
@Wrx.Saddie Жыл бұрын
Let’s gooooo! Car must be a blast do drive now
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Dude it is! The flat torque curve and how instant it is makes it fun. I love it !
@straitupstaticx Жыл бұрын
I take it you spoke to both tuners & shop's about part recommendations and power. With that being said I was wondering if you could answer a question I have regarding that. I see a lot of results ranging from 300 horsepower to as as much as about 500hp. My goal is over 400 wheel horsepower and even more torque (400-500). This seems very doable with the right tuner shop and parts and I already have the first two. That being said here is my question: which parts generate the most horsepower? Namely but not only, in terms of increasing airflow and removing restriction. Cannot confirm but word on the street is that j pipe is one of the biggest restrictions. I don't want to waste my time with a top mount intercooler a blow off valve in a boost controller it's none of those are actually needed to meet my power goals. I want to start with the bare minimum. So yeah parts that make the biggest difference. If you do not know the answer the question that is okay you could ask your tuner and shop and get back to me.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Well there is another part of the equation you are missing here. Some of the cars that are over 400hp are not customers cars or are cars the customer has said "ignore all warnings and go for max power". My car could have made more hp and torque but we kept it here for now to see how things go. You've seen videos of Mike Botty with intake, fmic, turboback and e50 hit over 400hp but Mike is going to destroy that car. That's the point, to find the weaknesses. So long answer short, you want any intake (burger and ETS perform the same), any turbo back (Only ETS is available but there have been people with custom made ones) and a front mount intercooler(of your plan is to go absolutely balls to the wall). Then it comes down to who is tuning. I know that people are saying 400tq is ok but the REAL answer is no one knows for sure yet. The numbers will come based on your ethanol and sometimes even how well put together your car was at the factory( think CPU/GPU binning). This may not have been the answer you're looking for but I don't want to bullshit you and say "yea just put this on and you'll make 4xx HP". I plan on doing a whole video about this with my tuner as well so we can answer some of these questions from the community. Stick around and I may have more answers for you in the near future
@straitupstaticx Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX they can handle 400whp dynojet safely. The engine is beefed up for it. In the fa20 it was rods as the first failure point. They were weak. The new ones are literally TWICE at thick, and so are the cylinder walls. Twice a thick. Beehive springs give us an extra 500rpm and better valve train efficacy. The engine is naturally torquey. With ft/lbs almost always higher than whp. I've seen +50 torque on the regular and +75-100 at times. I agree about finding the bugs and tuner shops pushing to the max to find failure. I haven't heard what our safe max is. Or what fails first. You would think prime might know by now. They've been at the fa24 for well over a year now. I also agree that to a degree it depends on the exact car. Most are the same but on the small variable fringe you will have hp freaks and some earlier failures. But the vast majority will fall under the same umbrella. An agreed upon safe max, and a initial mechanical component of failure. I even wonder if the injectors can fit the safe max without maxing out IDC. It wi be close but I think they will make it. I've run a stock motor STI at 450whp with no issues for years. Then an IAG stage 2 in it. Only rated for 495ft/lbs brake HP. I made 513ft/lbs to the wheels. And it was my DD and only car. And yes I drove spiritedly often. But never put anyone at risk. My engine never failed. I but 40k on over 500whp. Point is what manufacturers, tuner, shops, and staged short block manufacturers are going to err on the safe side. This could very well be the difference of 50-100whp. Now Corbin, of Johnson tuning, is a >12x world record holding tuner for Subaru and Ford most famously. Out of turn in concepts, and fathouse fabrications. He's a top 3 Subaru/Ford tuner in the nation. I've been with him, and Subaru's for over a decade. I trust him completely. He's likely going to push a safe early findings max and then a revision for a safe max once we have more data on failure. But his tune will be stronger than most. It always is. And yet he knows exactly how far to push it and stop. And the safe max is not measured in horsepower but in ft/lbs of torque. Happy tuning! Keep me posted! I'll do the same. Wish you were local. I'm in Phoenix. Plan to move to Florida, or Cincinnati (family) sooner than later.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@straitupstaticx man I love comments/ posts like this. I learn so much! I have not heard of those individuals and companies but now I will be doing my research to get familiar with them. I am enjoying watching everyone push the engine further and further. I agree with you about everything related to the engine. The rods being 40% thicker is the biggest hurdle we had to overcome from the FA days. Right now 400tq is basically being handed out freely with ethanol and an intake. I could have made 400tq but we came down a bit with e40 instead of e50. Probably erring on the side of caution. I will be following a lot of tuners and actually have a video planned collecting all the numbers I've seen so far so people can have a good idea of what offerings are on the table ( whether conservative or max powaaahh). Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge. 😎
@straitupstaticx Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX thanks for always replying. Follow up on a KZfaq channel in terms of comments is huge for channel growth. Interesting I'm seeing E30 and people making 400 ft lb but I would say generally that's intake plus cat back and another bit like a j pipe. I'm of the opinion letter j pipe shouldn't cost $1,000 so I'm going to hold off on the ETS Jay Pipe which is the only one I'm aware of. Yeah my tuner said he wants to start with e 50 and see how it does play it by ear. Easy tuning for me so lots of testing and data logging. But make no mistake Corbin give some of the vesi tunes of the world. I've personally hit Dino days where his vdr was within 1 horsepower of actual. That's AMAZING. Anyways does your tuner say that an intake is necessary to create that power? I know generally it is but nowadays you can't just make that assumption even in the old EJ 400 horsepower to the wheels and under an aftermarket intake was considered superfluous because the stock one could handle that. Thoughts?
@Greatwrx Жыл бұрын
Now we just have to wait to see how much power it can hold for how many miles that’s what counts because we don’t need haters talk junk about then blowing up
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
This is the truth. The belief right now is 400-450 tq is safe but yes long-term will tell.
@ezimm81 Жыл бұрын
What spoiler you rocking? Looks good in white
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
That's actually the factory trunk lid. What I want is the double bill STi style oem one in black
@ezimm81 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX I’ve been debating myself about this car and been watching a lot of your videos on it and i think this one just sent me over the edge. Amazing how far this platform has come over the ej and fa20 platform. Good stuff. What exhaust you running?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@ezimm81 hey! I saw that we talked on Facebook too haha. I am using my MAPerformance catback exhaust from my '21 WRX. I actually cut the midpipe, rotated the flange, and rewelded it. Custom, baby!
@ezimm81 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX sounds good dude. Thanks for the info also can’t wait o see what you got going on next. I’m stopping at Subaru tomorrow to put in my order for the car. So hopefully it’ll be a good purchase
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@ezimm81 I think you'll love it. If you get a chance I would still drive it before ordering. You might not like the way it feels or drives since everything is subjective, regardless of how much I sing it's praises haha. In terms of what it can deliver with after.akret support ..that part we can all vouch for 😁
@momsbasement656 Жыл бұрын
So, Subaru *did* give us a new STI, they just detuned it and slapped on a WRX badge. Just unlock with AP.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
This is exactly it. Or rather they knew a STi out of this was gonna be bonkers but maybe didn't want to drop the mpg or something. There is some emmisions stuff happening here because the Catalytic converter they use is very efficient. I can't wait to see what happens with the jpipe.
@ianholmquist8492 Жыл бұрын
You little vb guys, keep telling yourself that
@14bayareakid Жыл бұрын
Is there a reason why they couldn’t get more torque and not tune on a e50 blend? I’ve seen other tuners safely pushing about 360-380 whp and 420-430 wtq just from an e50 tune and nothing else. It looks like most tuners are staying around the 410whp and 460wtq range with bolt ons and e40-e50 tune as well. I hope to see you getting an intercooler and downpipe soon to get close to those numbers and gap most of the cars out there👌🏽
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
I think it has to do with each individual car and the temperature , air, sea level. There are different factors. Maybe they saw something on my car that made them not want to push it higher. I can definitely find out more.
@14bayareakid Жыл бұрын
Ahh I see. Forsuree thanks for the reply. Also, when racing do 20 (first gear) and 40 rolls(2nd gear) instead! 40 rolls are better since you are putting a lot of stress on the car at 20 even so more with your new power and some cars can’t get good traction. Looking forward to more races!
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@14bayareakid yea with this much torque we're gonna have to increase the roll speed for races haha
@davidzebar6876 Жыл бұрын
Any of the tuners moving up the redline on these cars? 6800 rpm would be nice
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Yea I believe Cobb moves theirs to 6300. I did not check what it is now I'd imagine it's 6500. But that's a good question.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@Boosted Performance Tuning I have to really train myself to let it hit 6500. I've been really conditioned for the past few months of hitting right at 5990 haha
@kiritowow2736 Жыл бұрын
FA24 is so good,imagine STI VB,but so much torque may be too harsh for the trans in WRX which actually is still that old 5 speed,leta see what will happen in the future,hope they don't blow up
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Yea if there is ever a VB STi it will be CRAZY good
@vincerodriguez255 Жыл бұрын
have you noticed any rtv when you do oil changes?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
I actually did my second oil change the day before my tune. Absolutely nothing in the oil but that doesn't mean the pickup doesn't have RTV. At this time we are just gonna wait and see what Subaru says..if anything. Then get a killer b oil pickup when they make one hah.
@ravrav4523 Жыл бұрын
Was your baseline done on 91 octane.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Baseline was 93 octane.
@donnavanbromfield5870 Жыл бұрын
Did you have to upgrade the fuel pump to use E40?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
No pump upgrade needed.
@donnavanbromfield5870 Жыл бұрын
@Heavy Metal WRX wow that's crazy good. Transmission must be stronger in these yrs as well. I figured anything about 360 torque and the clutch goes out
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@donnavanbromfield5870 still waiting for someone to crack the transmission open. The engine for sure is beefier than before so it'll hit 400tq+ no problem...according to tuners right now. There may be more headroom but no one really knows 100% yet.
@donnavanbromfield5870 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX thank you for responding and answering. 🤝🏾
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
@@donnavanbromfield5870 of course. If you look at my videos I work hard to answer every comment...positive or negative 😂
@agonatas Жыл бұрын
Impressive numbers, the torque numbers would scare me on a FA20 on stock rods. I had a FA20 running 330whp on a mustang dyno, having multiple Subaru’s I knew right away the stock 2.4 with the butt dyno felt like a OTS Stg1 or Stg2 depending on EJ or FA. Did you happen to look to see what MAF g/s numbers your engine was pulling?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
No I did not but let me get those numbers today!. Yea we are all still learning about what the stock engine can handle. The current consensus is 400tq is still safe and anything over is risky. So we went up about 50tq generation over generation.
@imapaintballa Жыл бұрын
The stock tune pulled about 220 g/s near redline. It was also about 8% lean after the CL/OL transition. So with a correction to the stock tune, the airflow would actually be reading around 240 g/s. As for the revisions of maps afterward, I don't have those logs and honestly can't tell you.
@kida9598 Жыл бұрын
Do you know how to mix e85 and 91? Been wanting to try this but im not sure about it.
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
There are actually calculators online you can use to figure out the ratio. Google "ethanol calculator" and you should find something that lets you enter your gas and the ethanol content.
@davidsmith4186 Жыл бұрын
So he saves the tunes to your accessport after he fine tunes them? The e40, 93oct.?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
That's right. I can then switch between them depending on the situation. It does take about 5-6 minutes to flash between them so it's not a fast process.
@davidsmith4186 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX have you dropped your oil pan to see if the RTV issue is still happening? I got my 22 wrx on Dec.31st. But wonder if they have corrected the issue by now or if it still exist. Thanks
@momsbasement656 Жыл бұрын
@@davidsmith4186 It's a non issue. The oil pickup has a 5 sided strainer. It's designed that way so even if RTV clogs one side, it has 4 other sides with full flow. They have built these engines for years like this on purpose. It's a made up problem with no evidence of failure from it.
@davidsmith4186 Жыл бұрын
@BTo TheA that eases my mind! Wonder why people are blowing the issue up if it's no big deal?
@momsbasement656 Жыл бұрын
@@davidsmith4186 A bit of ignorance. A bit of need for clicks.
@link4eva10 Жыл бұрын
What that tune run you?
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
It was actually free. The shop sponsored my car because it's the first one tuned in St. Louis.
@link4eva10 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX no "on the way home" video?
@link4eva10 Жыл бұрын
Rematch that Playboy with the Mustang!!!!??
@HeavyMetalWRX Жыл бұрын
Hahaha yes he already asked when are we running 🤣🤣. That's still gonna be a tough one I think. It's still 400+ to the wheel so I look forward to seeing how that goes.
@link4eva10 Жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalWRX that mustang is heavier too. It's going to be a close one
@iakpwnzjoolol Жыл бұрын
mustang gonna get murdered from a dig, but from a roll, it'll be close until probably 60+ and the mustang will easily pull away with more horsepower and less drivetrain loss since it's RWD. not hard to predict ;)