2023 BMW M3 Touring (G81) | PH Review

2023 BMW M3 Touring (G81) | PH Review | PistonHeads

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Жыл бұрын

The new BMW M3 Touring then, at last. There have been great M3s in the past, and great 3 Series Tourings as well, but never have the two been fused together - until now.
One of 2023’s most highly anticipated new cars, the G81 M3 xDrive Competition Touring - to give this BMW its full name - not only brings a long-held enthusiast dream to life, it also promises to breathe new life into the fast estate segment. After all, the first all-wheel drive M3 has proven itself a formidable fast car already, and with the Audi RS4 not long for this world and the Mercedes-AMG C63 now down to four cylinders, it appears to be an open goal for the 510hp, straight-six Touring - so does it deliver? Over to Matt (and a couple of special guests) to find out...
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@nab5018 Жыл бұрын

#TEAMALPINAB3HERE...An Alpina B3 review would be beyond lovely. Glad that you mentioned the elephant in the room😂

@JoeAchilles1 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video Matt and co 👌

@stephenw7298 Жыл бұрын

Lovely little one, great car and excellent review. Enjoyed it, thanks!

@SuperTerminator50 Жыл бұрын

Fab review , Brilliantly presented.....

@camtait Жыл бұрын

Awesome review Matt and Harry! 🙌🏻

@wasdwasdwwasd Жыл бұрын

Fantastic review, I’d take it over the B3 in a heartbeat but in fairness I’d probably save up for the CS.

@andrewgalloway647 Жыл бұрын

Excellent review 👍

@tepes141 Жыл бұрын

Loved the fact how Alpina B3 was introduced into the equation ✌

@doggiehowzer Жыл бұрын

In the Nissan GTR world, there were 2 specs - M Spec and V Spec. I can imagine they could have the same base M3 and have one tuned for outright performance (V Spec) and one tuned by Alpina for comfort and touring (M Spec), but both with the same M3 underpinnings. It doesn't have to be M Spec or V Spec of course, maybe a CS and a GT variant in keeping with the older monikers just repurposed

@Wellspicedchaffinch Жыл бұрын

The way he was jumping around in his seat tells me this is very stiffly sprung. Can't do it. Wish I could - but my back couldn't take that on a long trip. I've gotten old :-( Was yearning for this. But couldnt afford it (of course). Settled for an XC90 T8 2016 used and have fallen in love with its comfort (and safety record). The complete package for my needs.

@Bmontepeque11 Жыл бұрын

This is such a great car ❤️😩 This is the besy alternative to performance SUVs! 🙌🏻❤️ Really among the best one car garages! As an enthusiast, I wouldn't even consider the Alpina, dynamics > comfort in my case 🌚❤️

@deputydd4364 Жыл бұрын

Heart says get the M3 but head says a 340i is actually a better car as I’ll never take it on a track so just for road use

@intelligentcarreviews8592 Жыл бұрын

Always worry about resale values as the m3 will retain its value better

@edwowen Жыл бұрын

I've done 12,000 enjoyable miles in my M340i Tourer. Its really all the car you need on the UK's roads. The secondry bonus being its not got the M3's gopping face and mine's averaging 34mpg over 12,000 miles without trying which is a nice bonus. The £50,000 saving over this chav monstrosity went on a Caterham 420! 😄

@jasonleon1976 Жыл бұрын

The wallet might say it also😉

@jahudini Жыл бұрын

The beauty that is this car.

@definedcoding Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love these, all it’s missing is some CSL/CS software and it’s a touring CSL. Epic baby carrier too!

@Eric-qi9us Жыл бұрын

when i saw that "PH Review" on the title it reminded me of something i shouldn't think of

@jamieoconnor1916 Жыл бұрын

Savage M3 wagon ,but the alpina b3 is just a cooler machine 😎great review sir respect

@peterhammer4644 Жыл бұрын

Having driven multiple Alpinas (not this one) they are so soft always. I understand many want those but I would never ever take any Alpina over an M-car.

@jamieoconnor1916 Жыл бұрын

@@peterhammer4644 thanks for sharing your opinion peter😀, both cars are fantastic 😎

@roygardiner4002 Жыл бұрын

Nice museum piece in the swansong of BMW.

@jamesj97370 Жыл бұрын

£100k is too much for any BMW. The fact that there is 77 brand new M3's and 200 (yes 200) M4's sat on Autotrader at the time of writing this tells you these cars are too expensive. BMW as a brand always struggle once they tip of the £80k mark and this is just proving it. The market needs a readjustment!

@tacodias Жыл бұрын

Tell that to the people that still buy it….

@samcourt6228 Жыл бұрын

How to Audi get away with it on their RS cars? People say that about M cars but not their equivalent RS or AMG product.

@fbf01 Жыл бұрын

Can’t get a decent car now for less than 100k sadly. The M8 is stupidly over priced. The X7s also. Way of the world, sadly

@deenoc3622 Жыл бұрын

Its all about whether you can afford the monthly PCP payments. Personally just get a 340i touring and with the spare cash buy a sunday morning sports coupe i.e. GR86 and you'll still have change from 100k. Thats how ridiciously expensive the m3 touring is.

@soulmaster63 Жыл бұрын

The fact that 258 M3/M4 are for sale on Autotrader doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re too expensive .Owners sell their cars for many reasons.Boredom,upgrade, downgrade, fuel economy, practicality , and desire are also factors.

@joemclaughlin995 Жыл бұрын

Save a huge whack of money and buy the six cylinder diesel Touring. This diesel car is shockingly good with huge torque, 60s mpg and the best resale value of any car. BMW's best kept secret !

@peterhammer4644 Жыл бұрын

I might have waited for this, if it would have a dual clutch. I just can't stand the torque converter, I feel I am always too late with my gear changes.

@anotae Жыл бұрын

I love M3s ... I'm a BMa guy. But the new C63s 4 cilinders ahhhh

@soulmaster63 Жыл бұрын

Wow! It seems that every commenter is an expert on design, performance, suspension dynamics and economics. It’s nearly impossible to find many positive comments on any new car these days. Can’t we have some pure unadulterated enthusiasm for an M3 estate without getting too granular?

@MrKenn93 Жыл бұрын

have you seen the buck-toothed front on it? I'll take the B3 every time, sadly.

@trevornies2989 Жыл бұрын

Great review. Such a beautiful car. Too bad the US doesn't get it😢

@AlteredBaron Жыл бұрын

I was like please please don't put the dog in that trunk. Huh, what a relief.

@sionbonkwok6937 Жыл бұрын

fast car we love , cool bmw

@ibookje Жыл бұрын

Yes please !

@iantownsend500 Жыл бұрын

All the car you’d ever need

@amospizzey1 Жыл бұрын

I’ve owned an E46 CSL ( great ) and an F80 competition ( ok ) Worn I drove the latest M3 ( G ) it really wasn’t very good

@sandyvalentin3072 Жыл бұрын

They need to bring this car to the U.S

@nomadic_mind Жыл бұрын

Wish we had this in the US

@mspeed2441 Жыл бұрын

Sublime.

@paulshepherd5649 Жыл бұрын

You can buy a brand new M5 comp for around £80k right now. Makes £100k+ for this looks a bit expensive. I'll wait for the M5 touring and see if it tempts me to change. I'm really glad they built it though, and that people are buying it. Estates over saloons every day for me

@Praticus Жыл бұрын

I don’t think there will be an M5 touring, I think they made this one instead

@adogmcdizzle Жыл бұрын

Will never get used to that front end.

@alisakhr4260 Жыл бұрын

Let's see if i got this right; first they disdain the segment benchmark, the Audi RS4 saying it feels old(ok,it is old), and then says the car to beat the new BMW is another BMW, because it's more discreet, more comfortable and the better all-rounder, exactly what the RS4 is... i just love these auto journalists...

@stuartlloyd-jones9583 Жыл бұрын

ride looks very very choppy. He's bouncing around all over the pace. Got the new rs5 sportback competition package with oem coilovers. Doesnt react like this. Does it feel twitchy like the m3?

@fredc9655 Жыл бұрын

I'll pick G81 M3 Touring for that bulk rear-end and bucket seats, Alpina B3 just not look as special.

@richardraybould6928 Жыл бұрын

B3 all day long for me - in Alpina Green 😃

@wally07 Жыл бұрын

Would have bought one of these but I just can’t get over that horrible busy new screen and lack of driver specific display. It’s a deal breaker for me. That being said, if I could only ever have one car this would come very close to being it..

@deancostello14 Жыл бұрын

One day, I'll have one.

@00Seven1000 Жыл бұрын

How about spending 25-30k on a nicely specced 335d Touring......You're then left with 60k for that Vegas blow out you always wanted 😃

@user-uy2bw4vc1h Жыл бұрын

But then it’s a diesel. Its a quick car but wouldn’t say it would be as fun as this, alot less drama

@quantaccount4337 Жыл бұрын

I know this will sound like a broken record - and I apologise for it - but that G80 grill alone is reason enough to go for an Alpina B3 Touring... an F31-based B3 S Touring that is...

@TheDjcarlos67 Жыл бұрын

That comment about the extra 5% being irrelevant was pretty daft. Otherwise excellent video 👍

@Hali88 Жыл бұрын

It's not the most exciting car of 2023, it's an M3 with a slightly bigger boot.

@Sf_Mason Жыл бұрын

What would have been wrong making a 6 speed manual?

@rb.488 Жыл бұрын

Not enough people buy manuals anymore unfortunately

@hamishmmc Жыл бұрын

The weird thing is, Canada and North America is now home to the six speeds because while manual is way more fringe here, the enthusiasts demand it. Eg. North American Golf R

@Rhowhat Жыл бұрын

£100k, hahaha. You'd have to be mental. But a 340i and something actually interesting for the weekend.

@vukasinvlajic152 Жыл бұрын

Trouble with the Touring is, it's facelift only. And facelift interior with that huge screen and non existing gear lever is a no-go in my book.

@vicjones3992 Жыл бұрын

There is still a gear lever

@Franzino Жыл бұрын

Indeed....100% true!!

@albertogonzalez1746 Жыл бұрын

X3M please

@timjones8837 Жыл бұрын

Alpina B3 pls....

@samcourt6228 Жыл бұрын

Was this the car at Sunday Service at the Motor Museum?

@Cooblie Жыл бұрын

Dont think so. That was Brooklyn grey, had regular seats and a private plate. This one looks to be Skyscraper and has buckets.

@samcourt6228 Жыл бұрын

@@Cooblie I saw one with the posh seats with the carbon Willy rest.

@marc24rennen Жыл бұрын

This just makes the ALPINA B3 touring a much appealing choice. And you can buy one as long as you have the money, any time. This M3 however is for flippers.

@peterhammer4644 Жыл бұрын

never an Alpina instead of an M-car for me. They are made as an all-round car, totally different.

@rupertm2542 Жыл бұрын

I’m in the market for a fast 4wd estate. The fact this cannot be spec’d with a tow bar is a ball drop imo. Leaves the RS4 as the only choice.

@biddyboy1570 Жыл бұрын

M340i

@Trackhawk_Gle53 9 ай бұрын

There is the Alpina B3 Touring which is as good and luxurious as the Audi rs4

@Tracertme Жыл бұрын

A dual clutch would have been nice but BMW have been on a cost engineering exercise for a decade now and each one is worse for it. There is nothing we can do but accept another compromise. Fortunately the turbo torque masks it well.a great review I would go for the alpina and the RS4.

@PipoLipo9000 Жыл бұрын

The ZF is excellent. You’d hardly notice any difference to the dual clutch

@peterhammer4644 Жыл бұрын

@@PipoLipo9000 ZF is horrible. Its better in the G80 than the F90 but still not good. DCT always better imho. Audi RS4 is not comparable, its driving dynamics are light years behind the G80.

@Tracertme Жыл бұрын

@@peterhammer4644 yep but the engineering build quality is light years ahead

@Tracertme Жыл бұрын

@@PipoLipo9000 I don’t think the ZF is horrible it is good but it’s no sports box it’s software mapping overplayed with engine torque does an excellent job of hiding it. ZF did a good job of upping their game when dual clutches came about. In stop start traffic they are typically better

@peterhammer4644 Жыл бұрын

@@Tracertme I only care how it works. I had an E92 and F80 both with DCT and they were miles more engaging and nicer. Never had any problems so why should I care about engineering? And if you refer Audi and engineering I can only laugh. They still haven't figured our how they get their cars to turn into corners so that's with the engineering 😂😂. A sports sedan with so much understeer is not an sports sedan.

@N221BP Жыл бұрын

This is more like a sales brochure, instead of an honest review. Still know nothing about this M3, besides it's got the same rearseat folder like Mazda has for decades.

@maxwellmattison6224 Жыл бұрын

ALPINA! Cheers, #e46DinanTouringX->

@Neudezign Жыл бұрын

Wait, BMW is absorbing Alpina like some sort of ravenous amoeba? I did not know that. That's kind of sad to hear to be honest with ya. I feel the industry needs "aftermarket" companies to sometimes challenge the status quo and make a product better than the original. I hope BMW doesn't absorb Wiesmann too.

@rngDeadEye Жыл бұрын

Nice to see BMW managed to bulid an AWD system similar to what Nissan did 30 years ago :)

@mathewrobinson9399 Жыл бұрын

Yea you’re right. Only Nissan had 4wd before this.

@rngDeadEye Жыл бұрын

@@mathewrobinson9399 I didn't say that Mathew, I said "similar" in that it's RWD biased.

@mathewrobinson9399 Жыл бұрын

@@rngDeadEye loads of 4wd cars are RWD based.

@rngDeadEye Жыл бұрын

@@mathewrobinson9399 I know. What's your point?

@mathewrobinson9399 Жыл бұрын

@@rngDeadEye my point is trying to work out yours.

@chawenhalo0089 Жыл бұрын

This review feels a bit mainstream for PH. Sure it's a great but is one we really want? Too big, too tricky, too expensive, it's just overkill imho.

@ACKWV Жыл бұрын

I don’t particularly have a problem with it being 100k but it looks cumbersome and the interior looks over designed.

@kulebrero Жыл бұрын

Why can’t we have wagons in the US? I’m not asking for a million of them…just a few. Just make three or four less crossover SUVs…no one will even notice

@IAMCRAIG1986 Жыл бұрын

The Sedan is the best looking out of the three designs available + it’s still family friendly.

@TrueFilter Жыл бұрын

Yep don't see the point of this one.

@graad085 Жыл бұрын

Total family friendly 😅👍🏼

@omnihein9322 Жыл бұрын

I agree, can't stand the look of a wagon, in my eyes, it looks like a squatted SUV. Yes, I know technically Wagons were a thing before SUVs, but have y'all seen those ugly-ass old Wagons?

@edwowen Жыл бұрын

Its a dogs dinner. The front continues to be the face even its mother couldnt love, and the optional seats are just cringeable. Have you seen the state of the optional sports exhaust, and worse the CSL? BMW are trolling us now.....

@gaycha6589 Жыл бұрын

Took them A 25 years to get with the Audi program. Estate? check. Turbo 6? Check. AWD? Check.

@myou6675 Жыл бұрын

Alpina over the M3 for certain.

@peterhammer4644 Жыл бұрын

totally different purpose. As and allrounder Alpina yes, as a sports wagon this every day of the year.

@MAS-991 Жыл бұрын

Hate that digital display. In this M3 and in the new M2. The best the BMWdesigners could do is to slap an elongated screen and call it quits?

@juliantaylor461 Жыл бұрын

Group test the M340i, M3 and the Alpina B3 wagons to find the best all round car. You may have a surprise and save a bundle of money 🙂

@RegM86 Жыл бұрын

Too bad we yanks do not get these waggons across the pond. 😢

@drewmartinezart Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately this lovely wagon isn't available in the states. We have been brainwashed into buying the ridiculous SUVs.

@JimDut Жыл бұрын

Hope your kid and dog weren’t sick during that…..

@N221BP Жыл бұрын

Electric cars are taking over. Depreciation on this will be fenominal in about 3 to 5 years. Even as a future classic I have my doubts. Regulations will kill it.

@andywilliams3800 Жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who thinks the big screen thing is horrific? No care to integrate it nicely into the dash.

@lotsofcurveslover Жыл бұрын

Who the hell has money to buy these things?

@mubblemann Жыл бұрын

Sorry, but this simply isn't a £100k car.

@mu6554 Жыл бұрын

This desperately needs MT.

@hackney4eva Жыл бұрын

Men who wear those for their kids also sit down when they pee

@Blackmamba12345 Жыл бұрын

Lol a dinosaur in ICE territory. Be v surprised how long they will keep building this.

@fireblade6756 Жыл бұрын

£100000 no thanks, I'll take the RS4 Competition thanks on order!!!

@martincassels7995 Жыл бұрын

That’s a top end figure if you spec it up. The rs4 is nowhere near as good a drivers car as the m3.

@Petrrii Жыл бұрын

@@martincassels7995 yeah bc you had them both

@freddiejones4598 Жыл бұрын

@@Petrrii the reviews tell us that. The rs4 was never a great a car

@andrewgalloway647 Жыл бұрын

M3 touring any day of the week over rs4. Trading my rs4 for one of these for too many reasons to list

@robertanthony8092 Жыл бұрын

It’s £85k not £100k! And a better drivers car than the RS4, no contest for me!

@boogboog8097 Жыл бұрын

Lightly used E63s, far better.

@lampard9512 Жыл бұрын

I hate the rear fenders, looks like an amateur jobs

@JamesSmith-qs4hx Жыл бұрын

Yeah that dog is going to love being thrown around the boot of that....🙄

@waleed2007su Жыл бұрын

Not worth 100k at all. Rs4 am coming again lol

@ethanthomas68 Жыл бұрын

A Volkswagen over a M3? No thanks!

@peterhammer4644 Жыл бұрын

Audi?? 😂😂. A car that doesn't turn into corners. If something is overpriced its all Audi RS-cars. Especially the bigger ones. They used to be fast but now this is probably faster than an RS6, which is laughable for the price difference.

@waleed2007su Жыл бұрын

@peterhammer4644 thats why Audi hold value for a reason you pay 100k for BMW try to sell it next day you will get 50k lol

@waleed2007su Жыл бұрын

@@ethanthomas68 say the man who drives a Nissan lol

@peterhammer4644 Жыл бұрын

@@waleed2007su on the contrary, here in Scandinavia Audis depreciate like crazy, much faster than BMW. So good luck wherever you live.

@protestagain Жыл бұрын

If you don't use it on a track, but want a panoramic roof, spare tire and a trailer hitch and save £ 8700, then buy a BMW X3M. The same engine, and a little bit slower.

@atstickyday3270 Жыл бұрын

FirSt

@Naps-95 Жыл бұрын

Fun that they've finally done an M3 estate! Shame they've done it with the generation that's fugly and sounds dog.

@billshoe22191 Жыл бұрын

Crazy expensive and so ugly up front I would never want or desire to have one.

@craigyirush3492 Жыл бұрын

That hideous curved screen …

@rjdavies1982 Жыл бұрын

Bit of an ugly expensive mess?

@Ste967 Жыл бұрын

I think for this car I will betray Audi... Very nice review!!!

@peterhammer4644 Жыл бұрын

Not a very good review if I am honest. Almost like he hated the car. Why compare to Alpina, which for a total different purpose? I dont understand. One of the worst Pistonheads reviews I have seen. No wonder they lack so much behind Throttle House f.ex....