2023 EMTB Shootout: Orbea Wild M-Team Review

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Rejoining our eMTB Shootout for 2023 is the updated version of a previous award winner for the “Most Versatile All Mountain” eBike. Back in 2020 - the Orbea Wild was a far cry from what it is today, but it still left our testers and countless owners stoked with how fun and playful it was. Last year the completely redesigned Orbea Wild was released, with little carried over aside from the rough silhouette and the tried-and-true Bosch drive system. After covering the new 2023 Orbea Wild extensively in our Dissected feature several months back, we were well aware that it would be a contender in this year’s eMTB Shootout, so we were excited to have it in the mix. As suspected, it held its own, and then some. Read on to see what our crew thought of the new and improved Orbea Wild M-Team.
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@Zetler Жыл бұрын

These guys are the best eMTB reviewers in the business, they literally ride everything out there with a brand presence. Considering how many e-bikes are out there they must never sleep or something.

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Thank you Kexin, we do our best! And sleep sometimes. Haha

@ChristianEldridge Жыл бұрын

Loam Wolf, huge props and respect to you guys for the reviews of all the bikes. Hugely useful for me considering my next bike. By the looks and sounds of it the Wild is gonna take some beating. You guys found it hard to say anything bad about it! Really looking forward to the final round up. Keep up the great work and high quality of the videos 👌

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! Appreciate the kind words.

@William.N Жыл бұрын

This was one of the main ones I was looking forward to hearing about

@JeepingNet Жыл бұрын

I love how fast you are pushing these out rather than making it last weeks. I'm hoping I don't regret my Turbo Levo I have an order by the end of this however haha. This Orbea looks sweet.

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

The Levo is still a very sweet bike and you will have great time on it!

@07gixer Жыл бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf Hey guys I noticed you guys tested a large , and that guys are taller than me I am about to order a Wild , I am 175cm.. you think medium is better for me or large?? Cheers (P.s none in stock to test/sit on)

@LevoRider Жыл бұрын

You will not regret the Levo, had mine for a couple of months and it is a great bike.

@Lee-ic2yn Жыл бұрын

One thing I've noticed Opinions vary but the turbo levo and the trek rail both seem to be the staples in the game Plus because they both such big Companies you can't go wrong with the service, it's one thing that keeps me away from Companies like orbea, yt, canyon etc

@grahamsmith9788 Жыл бұрын

@@Lee-ic2yn in my view, transferable warranty is pretty important. If you buy a brand new EMTB, there are all sorts of reasons why you might find yourself wanting to sell it after 6 months or a year, and I would expect bikes with transferable warranty to hold their value better - Spesh is probably number one in this category, not sure about the others, it's not something that reviewers tend to mention.

@Na2gumiBlogspot Жыл бұрын

This one and the SC Bullit are my favorite ebikes. Currently on a YT Decoy Shred and also own an Orbea Rise but looking forward to try this baby out

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

It’s worth testing for sure.

@Teamsmash7379 Жыл бұрын

Was anticipating there would review of the Wild! Currently own the alloy Rise which has been rad. Wanted the Wild M10 but due to supply issues ended up ordering the H10 a week ago from my LBS set deliver first week in July. After watching this review I feel I made the right choice. Great job Drew and team!

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much!! And congrats on your new bike.

@Bench_mark_113 Жыл бұрын

H10 is the best value for pretty much any ebike.

@Bench_mark_113 Жыл бұрын

What’s not to love! Good looks, Bosch motor, big battery, reasonable price (especially in h10 sub $7k with shimano xt and fox suspension), lighter weight, fast and well made.

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

It’s a killer bike for sure

@joehoeper4648 Жыл бұрын

your crew is killing it with the selection of bikes - bravo, gentlemen.

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Thanks you so much Joe! We put a lot of effort into this series.

@acornhehe Жыл бұрын

I want this bike. I currently ride a Levo, and love that one too, but man, this one looks sexy. 🎉

@HelloHello-gv2gg Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking your Helmets off for the review this year!

@TARTARAKURZHAAR Жыл бұрын

Nice Machiny, thanks guys !

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@mercuriomichael Жыл бұрын

Love your reviews but it would be awesome to also hear your perspective on motor performance on all ebikes you review. This would be especially helpful for riders like me who don't have an ebike but in the market looking for one. Thank you for your content!

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, will try to include in the future!

@grillob3 Жыл бұрын

Like always a nice review. How do you compare the wild w/ a kenevo SL going down hill? Thanks. Could you guys review the Canyon torque on?

@jay8miller Жыл бұрын

Got to take the crown this year? Been waiting for this review

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ gotta stay tuned. Ha ha.

@abelramos8983 Жыл бұрын

Orbea Wild muy bueno amigos 😁

@TheGhostfaceKLR 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the great videos guys. The Wild (probably an H10) is currently #1 on my list, if I decide to get an eMTB, and if I decide to get an enduro bike. I live in the Seattle area, and while I used to ride jumps and drops, age (53) and lower back issues have me riding a bit more mellow. I'm pondering the enduro-vs-trail eMTB route. I'll probably still go with the Wild though because I'm very, very happy with the Bosch CX Smart system in another (not mountain) bike I own. I suspect I'd still be happier on an enduro bike even if I'm not riding as hard as I used to. But I'd love to hear some opinions on this (omg, I asked for opinions in KZfaq comments, here we go )

@DresdoPappas Жыл бұрын

Great job guys, loving the reviews! How do you think it compares to the Fezzari?

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Thank you! You’ll have to stay tuned for the round table dropping next Friday for that 😉

@emtbtrailrider539 Жыл бұрын

I need to take the battery out for Bike park action!

@intertube1000 Жыл бұрын

Love the clean handlebar look. Can the Bosch system pair with Garmin like levo or shimano or yamaha ?

@Bench_mark_113 Жыл бұрын

No. It’s lame!!

@grillob3 Жыл бұрын

I am between this bike, fezzari timp peak or commencal meta power sx Bosch 2023. Any opinions? Thanks

@iKaramboo Жыл бұрын

Got the new m-Team and couldn’t agree more. Absolutely everything about this bike is amazing, except the internal headset cable routing. This forces you to give up on doing your own headset service as it almost impossible by your own 😂🤦‍♂️

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

While it certainly makes headset servicing a little trickier, the Orbea system is fairly well sealed and they’ve selected a “premium” bearing that should last considerably longer than standard headset bearings, increasing the service intervals

@boulderghost4457 Жыл бұрын

Gotta say, if I’m buying a $10,000 ebike I’m going take it to my favorite shop every year, pay for a VIP full bearing/headset/bb service. While I wait, I’ll peruse the shops newer items and consumables, while sipping an Oban single malt. Membership has its privileges.

@robinphilipps9284 Жыл бұрын

Could you also try the non carbon version and if you did, how do they compare ? All the 2023 reviews are about the M-LTD but lots of us can't afford it... Same geometry but that doesn't always imply the same qualities on the track...

@RobDavis1966 Жыл бұрын

You guys seem pretty hot on this bike. Last year it was the Gen 3 Turbo Levo. How would you compare the 2? I am in the market for a new bike and these are both high on my list.

@th3w4nted Жыл бұрын

Would love to know this too.

@bikespike711 7 ай бұрын

I was particularly interested in this particular video because I bought the Orbea Wild H20 two months ago after reading/watching rave reviews / videos on KZfaq, the last bike I bought after KZfaq endorsement was the entry model Specialized Turbo Levo which I loved (2019) - got stolen! My concern is that the Ebike brands are soliciting paid reviews of their top, most expensive models from the popular KZfaq channels, tellingly these paid reviews all come out at the same time, literally. There is a big problem with this platform - the reviews profusely embellish the super expensive bikes (some of which may be true of course), however, ordinary joe like me are much more likely to buy the entry level bikes in the hope that they ride very similar to the top models. EMTB - ordinary joe/jane - middle aged with kids, short on time, relatively new to or returned to biking, investing oversized sum to feed his/her hobby. None of the top earning channels review the entry level bikes, nor do they actually say anything negative because of the conflict of interest. Hence, it is not clear, who is this bike for? The beginner, or the pro downhill enduro ace? We hear far too many numbers - so many millimetres or angles this and that (chain stay, BB, reach etc.) and not enough about how they ride and whether these bikes are value for money? Hence, the KZfaq channels are complicit in letting the industry get away with hastily thrown together lower end bikes that are seriously flawed, and still demand thousands of dollars/pounds/euros! My view after 2 month ownership is a degree of disappointment. The H20 is a monster truck, way too heavy, I did not expect that given that the top product is 20.8Kg! This is a major problem for intermediate/ early biker. The sheer weight detracts from being able to jump, turn, develop skill, and the poor fork/suspension platform can only described as dull and lacklustre. The internal battery and the ridiculous complicated headset with internal cables is just nuts. Importantly, something you did not point out - this is a front heavy bike, much more noticeable in my size small bike with big 750 battery taking up the whole length of the down tube. It is difficult to convince this bike to jump (more speed, more hop) and then control the tendency of front end dipping. Why oh why do I have to spend several thousand of hard earned cash to bring it up to speed? Should I really even try to bring the weight down - not possible. The result is that 2 months down the line, I am desperately trying to sell the bike and buy a Specialized - the market, as it is, I can't even get half price for a 2 month old bike. I do not believe the Orbea Wild 2023 Alloy models are value for money - period. It turns out, all the R&D went in to developing the carbon race winning models. There is a unhealthy collusion between industry and channels/social platforms that promote these bikes - it makes it impossible to get an honest view of products that are more expensive than the cars we drive.

@TheLoamWolf 7 ай бұрын

We'd love to hear feedback from you and anyone else who'd like to share! While we know the public is very skeptical of media integrity, we really do pride ourselves on trying to offer the best and most honest content we possibly can and be a valuable service to our viewers who trust us with their hard-earned dollars. Thank you for sharing your opinion, we appreciate it. First up, just to get it out there, we do not receive compensation or charge any bikes brands involved in these tests, or get any sort of kickback from them. We review bikes we find interesting and ones that we get asked about the most. With that aside, yes, we realize that we often test the most expensive bikes, and honestly, it's not always our choosing as we would have a very hard time justifying spending this kind of money as well. However, brands and other outlets/ testers have found, that when you get a brands top spec bikes, it's as close as things can get to being an even apples to apples test. To your point, some brands' entry level spec is rather poor, or the value to what you get, as well as the ride quality is sub-par to others. Admittedly, not a great test because if we reviewed, for example, the entry level Levo Alloy, it would not have received anywhere near the amount of praise as the higher-spec Levo's we've tested. The alloy bike is not an award winner in our opinion, and so therefore, the many many people who own and have bought carbon or higher spec Levos after our reviews would have likely passed it up due to a poorer review due to the Alloy's weight, small 504 battery, sub-par brake/suspension spec compared to a Fezzari or Canyon eMTB for a similar price point. All this to say, we actually had a meeting just a few days ago about our 2024 eMTB Shootout. We realize that not everyone is dropped 6 figues on bikes, and want to figure out a way to represent pinnacle performance products, which has always been the goal of our tests, but also offer useful insight to buyers who are not dropping Tier 1 dollars. We are currently debating holding a separate shootout with eMTBs under a $6,500 price or possibly having a sub-category for value eebs, or making a total price cap for the entire shootout of $9,000, which we realize is still a ton of money. We look forward to your feedback! Drew

@bikespike711 7 ай бұрын

Thanks Drew for your response and I appreciate that your reviews are not paid and you are presented with bikes to review and obviously the manufacturers want to showcase their best. From my perspective, my suggestions are as follows: Entry level emtb comparison across the spectrum. Follow-up video on individual changes to the top bikes (forks/shock/tyres etc.)to improve ride with cost demonstrating most value for money I agree, price point comparison is a valid and interesting concept. A feature dedicated to 'weight' across full-fat emtbs would be interesting. I suspect the sweet spot is 20-22kg, it might differentiate weight as an important parameter for different kind of rides (heavier monster trucks for downhill), lighter for nimble/jump/bike park oriented? Lastly, it would be great if the focus is shifted on the entry/intermediate level bikes so that the industry may improve their products rather than the expectation that the consumer will spend another grand or so. Better still - sell us quality frames and let us choose! @@TheLoamWolf

@TheLoamWolf 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the reply and feedback! And we’re all for emtb frames. We’ve been pushing brands to do this for a while now. I suspect they’re coming soon! Appreciate your ideas and suggestions as well. Drew

@tahoeebikes Жыл бұрын

100% dialed rig. What exact Mary- Betty schwalbe tire setup were you running?

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Soft compound, Super Gravity Casing, 2.4” width.

@GregoryVog Жыл бұрын

I really like your work and tests! Could you mention how compare new Wild to the 2020/21 Trek Rail (past winner)? I just ordered the 2021/22 carbon version. I hope I didn't make a big mistake!

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Hey Greg, the pre-updated geometry Rail? We really like that bike, it won awards and is a ton of fun. However like anything, tech, features, competition and capabilities improve, so the new Wild is certainly a more exciting, capable and aggressive bike! BUT, does that mean you won't still have a great time on your new Rail? Absolutely not! There will always be newer and better things coming out, so long as you're having fun and enjoying your rides, then that's what matters! We've had many a great memory and ride aboard Trek Rails over the years.

@GregoryVog Жыл бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf thank you very much!

@razorree 7 ай бұрын

nice bike, but non-removable battery easily disqualifies it for me and a lot of my mates... :( meanwhile Levo FTW ! also for full integration (controls, LCD/LED and Ant+ so you can see data on your Garmin)

@janakabandaranaike894 10 ай бұрын

What is everyone’s number one choice when it come to an E-bike? I’m in the market to buy one

@eddiedeleon7928 5 ай бұрын

I would you compare this with the scott ransom eride 920?

@425flex 2 ай бұрын

If you guys had the choice to pick this Orbea or an sl ebike what would your choice be?

@MTBzine Жыл бұрын

Would Robert prefer the Size Large or XL on this bike? I'm ready to purchase this bike, but little confused about the sizing being that I always fall between a L and XL and his sizing recommendations seem to be spot on for me as we are about the same size. Thanks and you guys are awesome!

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Robert says “Large 100%”. Hope that helps and enjoy your new bike!!

@MTBzine Жыл бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf Perfect, I owe you guys some beers someday for all the awesome recommendations! 🍻

@baddevotions 11 ай бұрын

Same boat for me. I am 186 tall, so was going to ask the same question. Orbea sizing puts me on the "nimble" side of large and "fast" side of XL. Thanks to LoamWolf for the response.

@MrT0rres Жыл бұрын

If you had to choose between the orbea or the fezarri, which would you choose

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

You’ll have to wait for the finale video for that, dropping Friday 🤘🏼

@aleszverca Жыл бұрын

Regarding the cables going on the left/right past the stem, in case of a crash/stem rotating, wouldn't the stem crimp/cut the cables?

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

There’s a rotation stopper in the headset to prevent damage this way

@aleszverca Жыл бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf Hey thanks I was expecting an anwser like this, I should probably ask Orbea about. I know that here is the block lock or whatever company's call them...headset made by Acros actually. Although I would argue that the block locks job is to stop the fork uppers not to hit the frame, but at the same time when it does it's job, because the handlebars hit the ground all the force transfers onto the 2 stem bolts that are the only thing that prevents the stem from rotating left or right. Probably every one has had the case when crashing and the handlebars were at 90°...that's because the stem has rotated...the block lock does not prevent the stem from rotating...if I understand the concept of it...unless Orbea has something different which I don't think...

@stardustgirl1061 Жыл бұрын

Haven’t really desired an ebike till now.

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

We were pretty sold when we started riding them!

@arthurgouvy Жыл бұрын

👍 great review, how does it jump ? I mean i ride an acoustic bike i like to switch for an ebike and i have doubt should i go for a ebike light or for this wild with a 650 batterie. I just don't want to need more speed to jump...

@chadlindenbach8471 Жыл бұрын

I ride a ‘23 Wild with the 625. Bike loves to jump.

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Full power eBikes do jump differently, and it would be worth trying one before you buy if there’s any doubt in your head. But the Wild certainly jumps well as full power eMTBs go.

@Andomaca1 Жыл бұрын

How does the 170 fork affect the geo? Would you go 170 or 160 on this?

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

We have ridden both and the changes are not too severe. We’d likely go 170 if we were speccing our own.

@Roaming50 Жыл бұрын

Just wish this had the Shimano XT di2 on it like the new Rise but probably not going to happen with the Bosch motor...

@donbenincasa7442 Жыл бұрын

Why no Transitions???

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

It's not for a lack of trying, so we can't really say why. We reach out to them several times for the last couple of opportunities, so their lack of attendance is not related us not wanting their bikes included.

@klstrucker930419 Жыл бұрын

You haven't mentioned how much does it weight.

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Our build with the Schwalbe control tires was 52lbs

@klstrucker930419 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf Sorry, it is at 2:10, I wrote the comment after watching video of another bike where the weight of the bike was under the spec sheet, not together with the geometry.

@07gixer Жыл бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf Hey guys, that's ready ride with peddles etc???

@07gixer Жыл бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf Is that with the big battery And peddles?? Cheers

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

big battery and no pedals. We typically don't weigh our bikes with pedals because different pedal sets have different weights (flats vs clipless / Saints vs XTRs / etc). Our XTR clipless pedals typically add 1 pound to the overall bike weight.

@spartanmtb2640 10 ай бұрын

So...great value for money, no negatives. Where is my kidney. Oh wait I sold it already 😅

@martinsim9881 Жыл бұрын

No mention of the fact that the battery isn’t removable (at least not without dropping the motor). I know why they did it, but it still makes it a no go for me. On a big 8000ft+ altitude day, you are going to need to swap the battery. Lovely looking bike though

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Big structural benefits to be had by making it enclosed. Definitely a slight loss of practicality for riders looking for true all day epic rides, but we’re rarely afforded the time to spend more than the time to drain one battery, so we enjoy the performance benefits.

@CarlosAntunesMTB Жыл бұрын

I'm from Portugal, rumors run fast... There will be a range extender for this baby... 500w/h... 1250w/h will it be enough? 😊

@coldwill4021 Жыл бұрын

What is with those frogs??

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

They’re just adding their insight.

@pjsanab Жыл бұрын

Downsides: 1) Non removable battery for those who switch batteries at the bike park 2) Orbea customer support or warranty at the United States is not on par with Specialized, Trek, Santa Cruz or Transition. A local shop with 4 stores in my state has dropped Orbea because of this reason. They’re hard to work with.

@chadlindenbach8471 Жыл бұрын

I call BS. I had questions during the ordering and waiting for my bike. Orbea CS AND the factory both responded promptly. They made a spec change for me while it was being built. Top notch CS! Don’t believe everything you hear.

@21armyn Жыл бұрын

1sttttttt...........

@topchoice1621 Жыл бұрын

Damn you beat me to it

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Ha ha that’s 2 now.

@topchoice1621 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf yeah I won’t let it happen again lol 😂 but great video again

@nickjones5728 Жыл бұрын

The frogggsss!!! So awesome hearing them they had to share there opinion lol

@21armyn Жыл бұрын

@@nickjones5728 welcome to the real world where every has their own..

@thewrx2600 Жыл бұрын

ribbit, ribbit, ribbit, ribbit, orbea, ribbit, ribbit, wild, ribbit, ribbit, emtb, ribbit, orbea ribbit,

@overseer_grimal Жыл бұрын

Just one downside unremovable battery

@TheLoamWolf Жыл бұрын

Pros and cons to it. We don’t mind it for the improved frame performance

@c0nsci0usness Жыл бұрын

Unsubbed, thanks

@pdadv77 Жыл бұрын

When E-Bike riders talk about "racing" 😂

@chadlindenbach8471 Жыл бұрын

Do you laugh when motorcycle riders talk racing? Vapid comment.

@southpawlibranine3511 Жыл бұрын

A high spec bike shouldnt cost more than 5000 dollars full stop. I cant believe that dude thibks this is good value. I can get a ktm electric motor bike for less.

@TheGhostfaceKLR 10 ай бұрын

Cool. I look forward to the bike company you start that will be selling high spec eMTBs for under $5000. Go ahead and let us all know once you got that all worked out.