I wish you honestly would just stop commenting because you have zero clue on what you’re even talking about. You need to read a book and get your actual cdls before you start commenting on commercial and non commercial trucks.

F450 doesn't come with TPMS. For some, that is important and don't want to add after market TPMS..

Hahahahaha thanks! We enjoy making these. Mostly because we get bored on long drives.

Yup…. you gotta think the F-450 is bone-rattling

Lol my F350 DRW has 4497

I have the same truck the ride quality u/l was it for me too.

I drove 2020 F350 DRW 6.7 for 60k miles and was waiting for 2023 F450 Limited for 11 months. With no end in sight, I jumped the ship and purchased 2023 Ram 3500 Limited DRW HO 6.7 , Aisin Trans, 4.1 Gear. I had full body Suntek PPF and Ceramic coating plus nano ceramic tint for interior including the windshield. I am overly surprised how good is Ram 3500 Limited. It has better interior, smoother with auto leveling kit, TPMS, Apple like keypad. Gas mileage is par with F450 Limited. Around 15.5 driving empty. Tire will be cheaper on Ram 3500 than F450 Limited. It is not a fast truck, but fast enough . I can drive few hours and my back doesn't hurt and leg is not cramping up. I do not tow, but do haul some weight and this is my daily vehicle. I will take the Ram over Ford now but do miss 10 speed on gas mileage. I am 5'10" tall and it is very hard to see the front. On Ram, I usually have to wait before taking a chance on a tight spot.

Stronger brakes are a big deal!!! We’re surprised how hard (and how often) we need to use the brakes on this truck. Our other dually (the 2011 Duramax) has a much more helpful exhaust brake.

@@ArmyProperty I have a fleet of Ram's and the exhaust brake is mega on Rams. That is definitely a concern on the Ford. I'm still waiting on mine so I'll have to wait and see

@@Hydecreeklogging Yes, I have 2023 Ram 3500 DRW HO 6.7 and engine brakes on this is way better than my 2020 F350 DRW 6.7

Glad to hear it!! We were a little heavy on the options, so we could've done better on payload. But definitely can't complain. Just as an observation, we're finding that we use the brakes a lot more on this truck a lot more heavily than on our old Duramax. The Super Duty exhaust brake doesn't do nearly as much braking. So the "small" brakes on an F-350 with 17-inch rims definitely won't last as long as the F-450 with bigger wheels (and brake rotors, etc).

In some special occasion, it can probabaly carry 6500 lbs easy.

So an f350 high output dually with 3.55 gears can tow 27k bumper and 31k~ GN/5th wheel. The same truck with 4.10 gears can tow 28k bumper and 35k~ GN/5th wheel. F450 high output can tow 30k bumper and 33,500k GN/5th wheel. In reality they will all tow amazing. F450 get the wide track front end and larger wheels. The f350 with 4.10s would be nice if you can find one.

You really can't go wrong with either, but the reasons why I bought a '22 F350 Platinum FX4 Dually with the 4.10 LSD is because...I prefer the 550 pound lighter curb weight. I also prefer the less aggressive, but still a great all around ratio of 4.10 that is better for the mainly highway driving I do versus the 4.30's. Also, the Forged 17" wheels on the F350 are lighter weight, and there are far more tire choices for less money than the F450's odd sized 19.5" wheels. The co-owner -(my brother), of the car hauling company that I also co-own, owns a '22 F450 King Ranch FX4 6.7 Dually. He plans on getting an F350 like mine next time he buys a truck. My F350 rides a bit nicer, it's quicker, it's lighter weight obviously, it handles better with that lighter weight and wider tires, and it even stops as well as his F450, despite the smaller brakes mine has... The lighter 550 pounds and the wider tires actually make up for the smaller brakes in stopping distances we noticed. The only things I like better about his F450 is the better turning radius & the look of his 19.5" wheels. His tires are too skinny looking though. He's going two sizes wider to 245's on his 450, which will also make his gearing a bit taller, which he wants. Anyway, both trucks pull our three car, 48' Enclosed Gooseneck trailers with ease, and these trucks both look amazing doing so, all while being extremely luxurious on the inside. It's all just a matter of preference. We both prefer our Fords over our previous 2019 Ram 3500 6.7 HO Laramie Dually trucks we used when we started the company. Sorry for the long comment. I type fast lol.

@@StormAutoAdventures I drove 2020 F350 DRW 6.7 for 60k miles and was waiting for 2023 F450 Limited for 11 months. With no end in sight, I jumped the ship and purchased 2023 Ram 3500 Limited DRW HO 6.7 , Aisin Trans, 4.1 Gear. I had full body Suntek PPF and Ceramic coating plus nano ceramic tint for interior including the windshield. I am overly surprised how good is Ram 3500 Limited. It has better interior, smoother with auto leveling kit, TPMS, Apple like keypad. Gas mileage is par with F450 Limited. Around 15.5 driving empty. Tire will be cheaper on Ram 3500 than F450 Limited. It is not a fast truck, but fast enough . I can drive few hours and my back doesn't hurt and leg is not cramping up. I do not tow, but do haul some weight and this is my daily vehicle. I will take the Ram over Ford now but do miss 10 speed on gas mileage. I am 5'10" tall and it is very hard to see the front. On Ram, I usually have to wait before taking a chance on a tight spot.

Good point. To be clear though, we're not talking about the 10-lug, super high capacity axle. Just the same strength axle as on the F-350, but with some extra width so you can turn tighter. Hope that makes sense. Apparently 8-10 years ago you were able to order the wide front axle on the F-350.... haven't dug into it in a lot of depth though.

For sure. Guess I'm saying that the F-450 pickup should be based on the F-450 chassis cab (with the stronger frame & higher GVWR), instead of the F-350 pickup.

@@ArmyProperty buy chassis cab and put bed on it😂

@@user-lr3di2gp7o yeah maybe so!!!

It's not about the frame, it's about staying under commercial weights. The F350 and especially the F450, can handle far more than 14k, but if you put the truck over a 14k rating, it will then be a commercial truck, Ford is just trying to play by the numbers.

​@@user-lr3di2gp7o you then have a commercial truck and will need a cdl and medical card. That is why Ford created the F450 non commercial version.

I think anything under 26K is non-CDL.

​@@ArmyProperty 26k is the GCWR, that means truck and trailer. Ford has to keep the GVWR at 14k. You should make another video now that you have the correct information. Tjis explains why Ford can't, or didn't rate the F450 higher, if they did, you would need a CDL, because it would then be a commercial truck. Anything over 14k gvwr, is a commercial truck.

​@@jeffclark4008 our understanding is that a truck with GVWR under 26K, or a combination with GCWR (i.e. sum of truck GVWR and trailer GVWR) under 26K, does not require a CDL, per DOT / FMCSA regs. Are you really saying a 16K truck -- by itself -- requires a CDL? Is this in writing anywhere? Keep in mind that Joe 6-Pack can rent a Penske box truck or 26-foot U-Haul which has a GVWR around 20K -- give or take -- with just a plain old driver's license. Thanks.

@@ArmyProperty in most states the second you put a trailer rated to 10k or higher you need a cdl, even if it’s empty.

Thanks, that’s super helpful

@@ArmyProperty I drove 2020 F350 DRW 6.7 for 60k miles and was waiting for 2023 F450 Limited for 11 months. With no end in sight, I jumped the ship and purchased 2023 Ram 3500 Limited DRW HO 6.7 , Aisin Trans, 4.1 Gear. I had full body Suntek PPF and Ceramic coating plus nano ceramic tint for interior including the windshield. I am overly surprised how good is Ram 3500 Limited. It has better interior, smoother with auto leveling kit, TPMS, Apple like keypad. Gas mileage is par with F450 Limited. Around 15.5 driving empty. Tire will be cheaper on Ram 3500 than F450 Limited. It is not a fast truck, but fast enough . I can drive few hours and my back doesn't hurt and leg is not cramping up. I do not tow, but do haul some weight and this is my daily vehicle. I will take the Ram over Ford now but do miss 10 speed on gas mileage. I am 5'10" tall and it is very hard to see the front. On Ram, I usually have to wait before taking a chance on a tight spot. I will give 10 to F350.. 8 to F450, 9 to Ram 3500.. I should got 3.73 gear for my use to get little better gas mileage. Thank you for the great video. You are always fun and informative to watch..

Yes, generally that’s true. In our case, we weighed in with the truck / driver and a half-tank of fuel at 8,700lb. Taken out of the 14k GVWR, that left 5,300lb of payload / pin weight before we busted the max weight on the truck. Hope that makes sense!

Yes! And clearly we didn’t break it down well enough! The F-450 pickup truck is very different from the F-450 chassis cab. In a lot of ways - but the major issue we were raising about the pickup truck version is that it’s only rated for 14k total weight, but it has about 900lb of extra curb weight than the F-350, which means it actually has 900lb LESS available payload than the F-350. The F-450 chassis cab doesn’t have this problem, because it’s rated for 16k total weight.

Nothing wrong with that detuned engine! I think the chassis cab has 330hp / 950lb-ft which “should” work for most people! Again, the problem we’ve got with the F-450 pickup is all about payload. When you’ve only got 14k to work with, losing 1,000lb of payload is a big deal.

15-18 in mostly highway driving. Can’t complain!!

@@ArmyProperty my 2011 tundra would get the same mpg, so that is good for the size of the vehicle.

The rating matters when you get into a wreck with a church van full of kids, and it's lawsuit time, and your insurance won't cover it because you were overweight. There are just some things that aren't worth messing with.

@@ArmyProperty you don't understand how to register equipment. The 450 is way more capable and safer in every senerio.

@@brooksbullock8806 way more capable except the (highly common) scenario where you max out the payload with 4000+ pounds of hitch weight, plus passengers, plus fuel, plus cargo, then you’re over the 14K GVWR - which is very easy to do in an F-450 pickup. To each their own. It just didn’t work for us.

@@ArmyProperty what I'm saying is you register the truck for whatever, it's just a number. As long as you don't exceed the axle, rim and tire ratings is all that matters and that's why the 450 if your really serious about towing.

@brooksbullock8808 correct and DOT does not regulate the auto industry on what those vin sticks say on the door. They are more concerned with tire rating

Thanks for watching!

A lot of people agree! Although you do notice that the smaller brakes are working very hard on this truck.

it has less drama.. F350 has TPMS. I chose to go with 2023 Ram 3500 Limited DRW HO 6.7 4.1 gear Night Edition. Bright white