2023 Universade [FINAL] Cheung 張家朗 v Loisel | Men's Foil Fencing

2023 Universade [FINAL] Cheung 張家朗 v Loisel | Men's Foil Fencing | Hong Kong v France 香港劍擊花劍

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Gold Medal bout of the 2023 Cheungdu Universade | Men's Foil Individual event between Cheung Ka Long 張家朗 of Hong Kong 香港 and Pierre Loisel of France.
Thank you to HKFencingHighlights for the footage: hkgfencinghighl...
Due to COVID-19, university students which were set to graduate in 2021, can compete at this (2023) universade. CHEUNG is currently 26 years old, while LOISEL is 25.
On the Left - Edgar CHEUNG Ka Long 張家朗 of Hong Kong
CHEUNG Ka Long 張家朗 is the reigning Olympic Champion and ranked 7th in the World as of the end of Season of 2022-23. During this season, CHEUNG Ka Long 張家朗 won Bronze at the 2023 Paris World Cup, and Silver at the 2022 Busan Grand Prix, and the Acapulco World Cup. CHEUNG Ka Long 張家朗 then made Top 8 at the World Championships and achored Team Hong Kong to win Bronze in the team event.
On the Right - Pierre LOISEL of France
Pierre LOISEL is currently ranked 62nd in the World as of the end of the Season of 2022-23. This was a big step down from the previous season when he was ranked 18th. Pierre LOISEL had been switched on a few times for Team France in team competitions, however, recently the team seems to prefer Alexandre EDIRI and Rafael SAVIN
During this bout there was a huge controversy concerning Loisel:
4:37 yellow card given to Loisel for stopping the bout to check if Cheung started early - [I have never seen a yellow card being issued this way in foil before]
12:28 Loisel stops fencing - says something like ‘it’s time’ (end of first period)’
Ref seems to have called halt because Loisel stopped fencing, not because of the end of first period.
VERY IMPORTANT: The box beeped before Loisel stopped (as there was no light, this means that the beep signaled the end of first period)
13:03 Refs check that Cheung was still on the piste, therefore there should not be an automatic halt.
13:26 Refs decide that Cheung was still in the piste
13:24 Second yellow card - Red Card- It seems to be for stopping fencing. Ref also makes a “too much talking” hand signal to Loisel
14:41 Loisel is saying that time is finished so he couldn’t hit Cheung;
but Loisel then argues that the refs called halt too early and he stopped after the halt? - ‘it’s not my fault, it’s yours, so why should I have a yellow card?’;
then Loisel argues that he misses Cheung then looks at the time (which ended) then he stopped so the refs should go back to replay to check the time when he stopped.
Refs basically said: no.
15:15 Refs give a one minute break for the end of first bout - which is a strange decision because this implies that first period had ended before they gave Loisel the yellow card - so logically, if there’s no more time in the first period, then Loisel could not have stopped too early, therefore he could not have been carded for this offence?!
0:00 Intro
1:11 First Period
12:28 Controversy Begins
15:51 Second Period

Пікірлер: 21

@Dancingtuna 11 ай бұрын

Controversy Explained TLDR: Refs card Loisel for 2 instances which I’ve never seen in foil before. Instance 1 - for incorrectly stopping the bout to check if opponent started before ‘allez’ Instance 2 - Refs give a card to Loisel for stop fencing before the end of the first period, then refs move to 1 min break - thus implying that first period ended before Loisel stopped. 4:37 yellow card given to Loisel for stopping the bout to check if Cheung started early - [I have never seen a yellow card being issued this way in foil before] 12:28 Loisel stops fencing - says something like ‘it’s time’ (end of first period)’ Ref seems to have called halt because Loisel stopped fencing, not because of the end of first period. There seems to have been a sound from the box before Loisel stopped. 13:03 Refs check that Cheung was still on the piste, therefore there should not be an automatic halt. 13:26 Refs decide that Cheung was still in the piste 13:24 Second yellow card - Red Card- It seems to be for stopping fencing. Ref also makes a “too much talking” hand signal to Loisel 14:41 Loisel is saying that time is finished so he couldn’t hit Cheung; but Loisel then argues that the refs called halt too early and he stopped after the halt? - ‘it’s not my fault, it’s yours, so why should I have a yellow card?’; then Loisel argues that he misses Cheung then looks at the time (which ended) then he stopped so the refs should go back to replay to check the time when he stopped. Refs basically said: no. 15:15 Refs give a one minute break for the end of first bout - which is a strange decision because this implies that first period had ended before they gave Loisel the yellow card - so logically, if there’s no more time in the first period, then Loisel could not have stopped too early, therefore he could not have been carded for this offence?!

@samuell1894 15 күн бұрын

Not much controversy here. First card was because he stopped abruptly after allez. Second one is he turned away before 00:00 hit. It was still 00:01 at the moment he turned around. A precise call in my opinion.

@beretboy 3 ай бұрын

Cheung is wearing van clef on the piste is maybe the most Baller thing I’ve ever seen in my life

@flekpool6745 11 ай бұрын

It's amazing Style to Cheung

@dzfz2100 11 ай бұрын

I don’t see any controversy here. First card is for unjustified appeal (FIE t.170.1.17) and second card could be for several reasons but an obvious one would be interruption of the bout without valid reason (t170.1.7) because he stopped fencing before a valid halt occurred

@sitbone3 10 ай бұрын

Won the bout with a circle 6 flick to the back. Love it.

@adjd1576 11 ай бұрын

So I guess the card happening after 12:48 is for turning head before fencing ended...the announcer said she called halt for break but I'm not sure that's true. At any case, it was very tight, and overall the directors were not very competent with lots of irregularities. Or, maybe she did her job...not saying she was paid off or anything 👀

@byronbranch4645 2 ай бұрын

That touch at 9:55 is WILD. The distance control of Cheung is amazing

@healthy_Liu 11 ай бұрын

Good performance👍👍👍💪💪💪💪😍😍😍

@andrewli6606 11 ай бұрын

Yeah I don’t quite understand why he was carded the second time. First one’s a little weird but seems technically valid. If he stopped fencing, they should still have like less than a second of the period left.

@michchanel19 11 ай бұрын

The french fencer thought he could talk his way out to victory. Refs said show me some respect young fellow. 😂

@1t628 11 ай бұрын

Where can i find the reasults for this?

@gavriilvorontsov 11 ай бұрын

I just posted the semi-final 😅

@Dancingtuna 11 ай бұрын

😅😅😅 Ah

@joaomariolira 7 ай бұрын

That red card was so not necessary. Time ran out. I would've had respect for that director if she took it back. Even the yellow was a bit much at the beginning, but I can understand the yellow to shut up the complaining early on. But that red, in a high stakes final, not right. Let the fencers fence. Good fencing overall.

@adjd1576 11 ай бұрын

It did feel a little biased...home-field advantage-esque you could say

@bananaboy1026 11 ай бұрын

the ref is Korean…..

@jlnnjs8223 11 ай бұрын

@@bananaboy1026that not the point

@adjd1576 11 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter the nationality@@bananaboy1026

@carrot_cake_hilton 11 ай бұрын

Lol Cheung Ka Long doesn't train in Mainland China, but I understand why there's a controversy over the card decision

@bananaboy1026 11 ай бұрын

@@jlnnjs8223 one can say there would be home-field advantage if the organising committee hired refs from the local vicinity, but these are all FIE refs. They have no incentive to be biased.