Apart from the 500cc range from Honda! Unfortunately we do have to pay for known quality and dependable engineering. Factor in the better trade in value of the Hondas, and I suspect you'll be financially better off in the end. As a commuter who changes bikes at 15000 miles, my cb500 bikes make most sense. Fun to ride too!

Thanks...I appreciate that 😊

@jimmyjam8795 Only with the fuel savings from the honda on that millage is the same price with the cf. I have the hornet 750 and I love it.

@@jimmyjam8795 your Honda CB500's engine is being made in China by Honda's manufacturing partners. Only the flagship bikes are made in Japan.

​@@hexadecimal1517 funny story about Honda, here in Indonesia they have manufacturing branch that's known to have produced bikes with bad build qualities.

I'd like to have the NK but with the rear sets off the SRS and the exhaust which finishes underneath I'd be sold. Not a fan of Cannon exhausts at all.

Hi Julian thanks 👍...yes imo this is the best sports bike in this category Mainly due to the 270 crank engine plus it looks amazing 🤩 Cheers mark

Thanks Steve for that info 😄

Is coming 600 cc bike

@@supermanlegend7What is it called?

@@DogMania many thanks 👍 first 🥇 best wishes mark

Thanks Martine I knew this bike would be great and it doesn't disappoint... great engine and looks ;). X

I think people are now coming around to realize these bikes are really good 😊..I enjoy reviewing these brands probably a bit more than the likes of yam Honda etc Cheers mark

Best beginner bike according to greg of motojitsu

Yes I think this s rs model looks a lot better:) 😉 Cheers mark

@@markpulling12 yes It does Mark looking forward to seeing it and trying it out 😊

Thanks Colin my pleasure 😀

@@n22pdf thanks Pete yes these cfmoto bikes are going to be selling very well Cheers mark

@@jamesprice7470 thanks James yes agreed ...they are improving all the time ....right up there now in the quality:)

@@robertboomsema4422 hi Robert ...yes the cruiser is next in line 😀

@@markpulling12 great, looking forward to it 😊👍

Definitely this is the no1 in this class at the moment 😁

They will compete because the sheep will always buy from the traditional manufacturers and not new ones unfortunately.

Hi yes I'll be reviewing all the cfmoto and Benelli:)

@@RussRyan7713 yes me too that 675 should be great 👍

Thanks my pleasure:)

Hey, that’s brilliant!

Haha yes 😂

Give it a proper rear mudguard and it'll look even better!

Thanks Michelle I appreciate it 😊

Hi 👋 to Nepal ... amazing 🤩 bike

@@roorider thanks glad you enjoyed it 😊

It's been for sale there for months

Yes definitely I'd agree 💯

Thanks yes that engine wow 😳

Yes definitely can't wait 😁

Hi yes exactly the same Cheers mark

Hi no quick shifter on the SRS Cheers mark

5s according to the website

@@madridronaldojr is this bike better then bmw g310rr

Thanks gord ....yes hopefully will do the 800 when Poole moto get one in Cheers mark

​​@@markpulling12 My only gripe with this new model is that they didn't take the time to add lift control. This is a strategic error in my opinion. Most of the people interested in the 800 want the ability to lift the front wheel. As it is, CFMoto have used torque management to prevent that rather than allowed for lift control. They just shot themselves in the foot in this market by doing that. Granted, you have to have a way of selecting the amount of lift intervention for less experienced riders. But failing to address this has killed their introductory sales potential... once word of this gets around. After all, there is no point in offering 100 hp with 50 ft/lb of torque if you are going to negate it with torque management. Especially when the real target market is advanced riders. They should have introduced it with the full suite of stabilization features under an IMU. But they clearly want more money for that improvement and couldn't do it based upon the introductory price point they targeted. So what did they do? They punted. That's a rookie error in this business, imo. After shooting themselves in the foot on this model, I hope they can learn to hobble effectively. I'm trying to figure out the discussions they must have had in coming to this conclusion. I get it... with this light of a bike and that much power and torque... they had to have a safety feature so people don't end up flipping the bike the first time they screw up. But the resolution was a complete compromise to the platform. Booomm... foot lose but not fancy free. I have the feeling they already have an IMU with a lift sensor that manages torque, but they aren't saying that. How else can they safely deploy such a machine. Slide control is still an issue as well. The reason they aren't offering it now is because they want to introduce it later at a different price point. They didn't cut corners on their fabrication... so why did they do that on their functionality? Very strange management decisions. The side that was afraid of bad press for being a dangerous bike won out over the side afraid of bad press for being a compromised bike. Look... you can't offer this kind of performance on a budget. It must come at a cost. The 800NK is a very capable bike but will not interest those who can manage it's full performance potential. They will pay another $1- $2 K more and get an MT09. End of story... The induction of the new 450 and 800 class bikes was clearly very strategic. They got it completely right with the 450 which appears to have better performance than their 650. But the 800 they flipped because they weren't willing to introduce it at a higher price point with all the safety features. Especially as the more capable 2023 Yamaha MT09's are now being heavily discounted. So CFMoto could see that and did a bait and switch number. It's the dealers who will get screwed as they end up holding on to stock that doesn't move quickly enough. And then have to do steep discounts when the next model year comes around. That's what happened with Yamaha dealers the past year. They're now having to sell their older inventory of 2023 MT09's at cost or under cost. Gord

Hi Mark, I did some further review and investigation on the 800nk and it seems that there is allot of agreement in the UK with the dealers there pushing CFMoto to add traction control on next years model. Nevertheless, it seems like a great bike just the same. It does need the quickshifter and fork stabilizer accessories to really perform to expectation. There is also some indication that the fueling at lower speeds is a bit uneven. And CFMoto have already indicated that they will be fixing that. CFMoto have had some reliability issues with their CLX 700 models and their earlier 650nk is way to heavy at 440+ lbs curb weight. The 800nk is only 410 lbs, which is excellent. This is apparently the replacement for the 650nk. They really are responding very quickly to the market place... but have made a few bo-bo's along the way. I think their reliability will be the thing that either makes or breaks them going forward. And the class is still out in that one, based upon some of onboard electronics issues they have had. Some of the software was not completely debugged, resulting in the ECU not knowing what gear you are in and shutting down cruise control. But these are relatively minor issues on the surface of the value. The problem is they can't afford those mistakes at this stage because of the bad rep Chinese products have received in the past. Gord

@@gorrdd thanks gord great 👍

In addition, Mark... there appears to be some real issues with the mapping of the 800nk. People who have tested this against the KTM 790 Duke, with the same engine, say that the mid range acceleration of the 800nk is sluggish compared with the 790 Duke. Indeed, the same observation was made between the 800mt and 800nk. It appears they are either introducing this as a naked tourer or they were rushed to complete the project and compromised the performance. The thing with the tourer concept is that it doesn't have sufficient seat padding to fulfill that role. My gut says they did a rush job. Better to wait for the next model year to see if these things are addressed. Gord

benelli trk502x LMAO

Knobhead, grow up.

​@@RedFly. Very Childish.

​@@RedFly. Very childish

Definitely...the word is spreading now that these bikes are good without the high price 😄 Cheers mark

@@markpulling12 Just like many years ago when Japanese bikes came to the UK and UK manufacturers laughed at them.

Definitely Richard...I think if you now look at bike sales... these alternative makes are now becoming the mainstream... cheers mark

Thanks yes 😄 I agree 💯👍

It won't matter to the majority of UK owners as most pcp their bikes. So depreciation won't affect them. Not only that, it's 5k. That's peanuts for a new bike these days.

It's all relative really...buy a bmw 18 k sell for 15 k 3 years later ... This bike is so cheap anyway...I personally wouldn't worry in the slightest...you'll probably get 3 k back after a few years Cheers mark

@@Adam-mo2qw Name me a bike that has a good resale value? H2. That's it.

Not much on 5K try BMW machines at 20K that's depreciation mate.

@johnrocker2986 Which bmw? 90% of bikes will depreciate the moment you ride it out of the forecourt... Bike prices are gotten stupidly expensive these days, a big reason is due to the finance industry. Not many will or have 20k spare. So a pcp, 3+ year contract, small deposit, and low affordable monthly payments is what sells... so that's why they're taking the piss out of customers as they know that's what most can only afford... which ultimately keeps residuals better for bmw.. I'd say they're to best to hold value... but other than your obvious classics, which have shot up value, there's only the H2 tbat has increased in value... and that's was the 'standard' model.