Thanks man. Trying something new and really happy with the results.

Thanks man 🙏🙏

I’m partial to the avalanche grey. Loved the color but always looked white in pictures. The new shelter green looked good in the videos.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadYou are right about the avalanche gray. Photos do not do it justice.

Thanks 🙏

Thanks 🙏

To each his own. I loved the gen2 styling. But yes, avalanche Grey is still my favorite

Gen 3 by far is the best design minus this refresh.

agree, I like the gen 3 best. Also have avalanche gray 37 pp :)

Gen 2 is iconic. I still can't get used to the Gen 3 look. The new refresh is a step in the right direction to me.

Gen 2 for me. It just looks like a trophy truck that should be ripping around and desert.

Me too. I just don’t understand why they haven’t done it yet. They said they are trying to sell more hybrids. Yet their 2 offroad versions of the truck can’t get a hybrid version.

Thanks

Thanks. Some people like them. But it think they like it because it’s the new thing. Overall to me, they look out of place with the overall design of the truck.

A lot of people said that about the gen3 setup when it first came out and it never grew on me.

I’d pick a Gen 1 over a 2. I never liked the look of it. It always looks very nosey up front. It was a very pointy design from Ford. I dig the softer styling on the Gen3. That being said looks are always subjective. Gen1>Gen3>Gen2

I agree on Gen 2 best looking, if it just weren't for that 3.5 with crappy valvetrain (cam phasers). I am hearing that over 70% of 3.5's from that generation are affected now? Which really means ALL of them are, they all just haven't been affected YET....

Yeah, I don’t anyone that’s had avoided it. But at least it don’t disable the truck like the issues Toyota is having on their TTv6. Also the R is too expensive + the markups so our only v8 option is a used gen1

A few have asked so I think that’s a video I need to make now

They changed them up a bit to make it look better but somehow made it worse in my mind.

Thanks man. Trying out something new with the backgrounds. Hope we get a chance to drive the dual live valve trucks when they come out. There is a lot of potential in that setup.

🤣🤣. Me too. New graphics are awful.

The Tremor looks awesome with the refresh.

I think the tremor looks better than the raptor.

Right!! More power and better MPGs would be amazing. And the extra battery power comes in useful for camping.

That’s a good question. I did not see it as an added options so it’s may be standard now with the Raptor. But after a quick search on the site and in the configuration tool, I could not find a clear answer

Have they started production on yours? Got a order for a 37 package as well no word yet

That’s next. I wanted to focus on the f150 since that’s trending.

Yes it is.

almost like it was a halo theme truck. halo the video game

To each his own. I know some will like it. To me she lost something and looks weird.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad the thumb nail of this video is what that color and front reminded me of kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eMWhmruTkpq9nIk.html&pp=ygUYaGFsbyBtYXN0ZXIgY2hpZWYgaGVsbWV0

No. When we filmed the video you could spec out a hybrid tremor. Turns out it was a bug in the builder. But it would be nice to have a hybrid powertrain on the tremor and the raptor. Not sure Ford will ever do it though.

I know right!! That Gen2 look was soo good.

Tom liu needs to go

To each his own man. What did you not like on the gen2? That you love on the Gen3?

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad What I didn’t like was of course the exhaust and the interior quality of all the materials , I have the Ricardo seats and that whole package which makes a difference too…I do still like the look of the Gen 1 and the Gen 2 but I prefer the Gen 3(drives so good and love the exhaust tone)

Ricaro seats

Yeah everyone hated the v6 note. Glad they updated for the gen3 and made it sound more like a GTR. I had the Recaros on my 20 gen2 and while I loved less sliding, they are so cheaply made. The clips on mine failed within the first year and we got a good look at how cheapest they are made. I do like the interior cabin tech in the gen3, but I hate the material look. It looks like a ton more cheap plastic IMO. And too much shinny silver accents for my taste. The Gen2 carbon inserts also looked better to me.

​@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I do like the interior very much so and hopefully it will hold up long term, only time will tell

That’s a good question. I don’t think it’s rated less. There is still a frame going along the bottom of the tailgate that I’m sure its triangled inside of the left and right side. There is no reason to suspect it would have a record capacity. But I honestly don’t know for sure and ford has not published any details on the tailgate weight capabilities

Gives me hope though. Thanks. But I will need to confirm, for this issue will likely determine which tailgate I get. @@KeepItDirtyOffRoad

Agree. How can anyone afford a $1500-2000 car payment. That’s a freaking mortgage. And prices are only getting higher with the UAW strike, manufacturers that keeps raising prices, and greedy dealers adding markups on everything.

Thanks man and I agree. The prices are nuts. The tremor fully decked out is $77k platinum can cost as much as a raptor. Who can afford these trucks?

I hated those lights too. But there is something about the tremor with the amber planks that just look good to me.

Suspension with dual live valves is pretty impressive .

IMO it’s a huge disappointment to see it gone. It was removed to clear the v8 and Ford took it completely off the whole platform and replaced is with ABS / traction control programming. It really sucks. Won’t affect t high speed off-roading, but on the slow stuff when you need to crawl over something it’s going to suck waiting for the ABS system to catch up or it cuts power

Weird they fit a coyote in the tremor and kept the torsion.

🤣🤣 really? Yeah man, my gen2 would always scrape the front hooks on the trails on washes or during a jump. That front suspension is a little low and the bumper hands down to much. Frame cut is the way to go for serious high speed off-roading.

Ford made a lot of odd decisions with the gen3 styling. I get that they wanted the truck to look bigger. But it’s just odd. For my money I wish the shifter was on the column. Could use that extra space for more switches or a built in radio.

🤣🤣 yes they are!!

Fingers crossed man. Read a report that the truck company that transports all the vehicles for ford went on strike as well. I hope it was only at the effected plants.

Yeah. New capabilities are great with dual live valve. But man is the styling weird.

That new styling works!! I also dig the interior color too for the tremor.

Gen 2 Raptor is the best looking Raptor.

👍👍

I love my old man step. Specially over the options from Chevy and Ram. I think they are still figuring out the split tailgate. You could see it in the demos. It would not open easily and got stuck sometimes. Hopefully they update it for the next refresh and improve it

I’m sure they could keep the logo and maintain the split tailgate somehow. I think it more has to do with issues with off-roading

Yeah, I agree. When we shot the video, the configuration tool allowed you to spec a tremor with the 3.5 hybrid powertrain and the big battery. Ford for what ever reason, Ford changed it. Don’t know why. Maybe it was an error in the configurator. But it’s a shame

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I totally agree. Tremor and Raptor should have a big battery for mentioned reasons (e.g. road camping). I will probably wait then a bit more and hope for the bigger battery to come (back).

I hope Ford eventually offers the hybrid powertrain with the big pack in the Raptor. That would be an impressive rig IMO. I would buy that over the R anyday.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad 100% same here.

Yep a couple actually. I know one that converted the truck back to no sunroof at great expense after cracking it. There is a lot of flex in the frame. So if you push it those with the twin panel roof will crack,

Mine had been off the ground completely as well as the top of 12,000 foot mountain trails. Maybe I'm too easy on it lol.

Jumps won’t do it. Flexing will. Out here in so called we are hitting uneven trails and washes at speed. It’s massive impacts and flexing at 45-65 mph on rough trails. You do that enough and it will eventually crack. If you take is easy, you will be fine. Ford is built tough. It’s mainly for those that push the limits of the truck

Yeah, the new lights is an odd choice that just does not look right. Some are saying it looks better in person. But they said the same of the gen3 when it first came out.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I guess if they’re taking styling ques from the gen 1 for this new GEN three, hopefully on the GEN 4, they will take styling cues from the gen 2 and improve upon that. I have nothing but time. I also second what you said why is there not a hybrid power boost option for the raptor? This is a huge mis imo.

Yeah man. If they could bump the HP to at least 500hp and maybe get torque to 550-600 it would better than the R. Specially if the battery pack is closer to the back. More balance and better MPGs and tons of power for camping.

That’s actually changed. As I was editing this video, the drive released an article that Ford messed up on the messaging. 360 cameras already installed are not subscription based. If your truck has them they will work

You might be. But I think ford finally separated the 2 features

Check the configuration. 5.0 is the base engine for the tremor and power boost is optional extra. Elevated the price but would be perfect for a overland rig

I double checked the configuration. I agree, Powerboost would be a great option, and wish it was available on standard Raptor also, but I don't see that available, only 5.0 or 3.5 ecoboost, no Powerboost option. Am I missing something?@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad

Damn, Ford changed the configuration again. As of the filming of the video I was able to select powerboost with the 7.2kw pro power option. Today it’s only ecoboost and 2kw pro power. I should have filmed the configuration.

It's too bad that option is not available. Maybe they will change their minds at some point. Appreciate the content. Keep up the great work. @@KeepItDirtyOffRoad

Man I hope not. If you look at the winch add in, it slips into the frame and bolts I’m inside somewhere and there did not look like there was a spot for the sensor on the winch. I so hope it’s somewhere in the grill somewhere.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad maybe it's behind one of the ford letters

That would be awesome if it is.

🤣 same man. Not sure why Ford has not done it yet. I’m sure when the v8 is finally retired, we will finally see it

Terrible

🤣🤣 you must be rich then. Because every Raptor guy I know complains about high gas prices here in so cal. $200 to fill up. That’s not cheap. And if you think otherwise you’re the smooth brain idiot.

I had 2 and did not have this issue. Would it no close or what was going on?

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad one side of the glove box wouldn’t latch, the side closest to the driver. Had this issue in a 2018, and I caught them delivering me the 2020, same issue upon picking up the vehicle, so they said we will look at it, but it only closed right once! 🤣

That’s a weird defect for sure. I never saw it on my 2. And I took my interiors apart a few times too

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad would you be willing to admit that it’s flimsy, at best? This is supposedly a top of the line truck, that was purchased to be abused a little bit, it’s not Toyota! 🤣

Toyota materials and interior build quality is a weird comparison. Specially with how cheap they have gotten the last few years. Mine was full of stuff too so it’s not like I had it empty and never had a problem. Not heard of others having issue either. Your issue is odd too because it’s a center latch. At least it was on my 17 and 20. Well center latch with tabs on both sides. Mine always clipped in without fail. Did you have anything heavy inside of the glove box?

Totally odd. They just don’t flow with any lines of the truck. Previous year lights were much better

Agreed. Those lights kill the overall look of the truck.

Read the comments. You’re in the minority 🤷‍♂️

Price is live man. And the HP bump will be minimal so it won’t matter honestly. As for the rest, people that buy ecoboost raptors don’t buy them to “race” on pavement. They buy them to offroad. And offroad lighter is better. And the v6 outperforms the TRX offroad. I have videos of it on this channel showing how the TRX is barely on par with the gen2 raptor with the leaf sprung back end. The new Gen3 with dual live valves has the potential to really be something else offroad. And guys taking these offroad don’t care if they are seen or not. It’s not about the flash.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad the people that bought the original Gen. 1 Raptors, particularly bought the truck because it had more horsepower, and better sound than any other truck on the market. That being said, what solace doe those original fans have now, a dumbed Dow version of it, for twice as much money. The original team that worked on the first Raptors, has long since dis banded, and replaced by a bunch of corporate butt holes, that know nothing! The prices are also insane! I’m not not spending 90K on a truck so I can jump over a mud hole, I’m gonna use it as a daily, and I want it to impress me daily, with a V8, just like the good old days!

🤣🤣 look man. It’s obvious your clueless here on what Raptors can do. I own a Gen1 and invested heavily into for as you say “jumping mud holes” 🤣🤣. Easily a $100k truck at this point. And the guys that spend money for proper prerunners are spending $150-500k to have those trucks builds. Every generations has been an improvement in performance offroad from the previous one. gen1 is great and still my choice for a rig to upgrade. But it was far from perfect. Frames were bending and the V8 was the epitome of a lazy v8 barely making 400hp. Gen2 had more power, was lighter, and improved on strength and performance. Stock for stock Gen2s way outperform the Gen1. Now the Gen 3 is an ugly truck for sure, but it’s making mid travel suspension numbers from a stock truck. It’s keeping up with mid travel trucks and in terms of performance it’s better than any v8 trucks offroad. Including the R. Now the cost is high on these trucks for sure. Ford prices are ridiculous, but some people that buy raptors, buy them to offroad them. Because they know the truck can take it. The V8 argument has too many holes in it because the main benefit is noise and that’s it. The v6 is making more power and it’s faster and better balanced than the 6.2. Gen1 is nose heavy and harder to control offroad than the gen2 or Gen3s. AND These trucks are not made for street racing. Who in their right mind puts heavy ass 35s and 37s to race. You need a street truck for that and the Raptor is definitely not for you.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadeveryone’s entitled to spend their money as they please, I bought my first Raptor because it was a good drag racer, and could easily get around in the winter, I could enjoy it all year long as a daily, that was fun to drive. I just didn’t like the V6 as much, as I bought a 2018, then decided to buy a 2020, witch was even worse, as they seemed to detune the transmission and the truck was apparently slower, horsepower is only as good as the set up, so being I bought a 90K truck, that wasn’t thrilling me, I went to the Ram for the same money, imagine that, 250 more horsepower for the same money! I realize now, both trucks have gone up in price since then by a lot, and particularly the Raptor R is unattainable for just about anyone, Ford is out touch with the average off roader, they are mostly common people, working class guys, who are not gonna spend a small fortune so they can go off road, some do, but very few. They promised to answer the call with the Raptor R, and that’s a joke due to availability, and the insane price point, out of touch indeed! 🤣

Your math is off man. gen2, even the 2020 topped out in the 70s low 80s. I had a 17 and a 20 both fully loaded and never paid that much for them. I agree with you that the 19-20s were pos. I have a whole video series on all the issues my 2020 had. But even with the price increase for the 2023, it was still an $80k truck fully loaded, 67k for the cheap trim. A TRX started in the mid 70s and fully loaded was 90s to 100k before markups. So you were still paying a premium for it and despite the extra power, offroad it was only as good as a Gen2. But I digress, the real argument here is 10 years ago a Gen1 raptor topped out in the high 50s low 60s. Today they top out I’m the $110l range. DOUBLE, and we definitely don’t have double the truck. Building a gen1 for the same amount gives you a better truck that’s way more reliable than any new truck including the Gen3 and the TRX.

Yeah. But all manufacturers are doing it these days. The amount of cheap plastic in Toyotas is ridiculous. Their engines last forever, but their new interiors don’t.

We know. Read some of the first comments on this video. When the configuration first launched there was a bug in it where it allowed you to configure it as a hybrid. Ford corrected a week later

Yep. Easier manufacturing over style.

To each his own 🤷‍♂️. And that’s not white. That’s avalanche grey.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Do you know if the torsion front diff is back in 2024 for Raptor?

No, it’s gone. Ford removed it in 2023 and replaced it with traction control programming. Huge mistake if you ask me.

Totally agree, I am guessing they couldnt hold the front diff together with all the power of the R so they just removed it across entire line up. No way traction control is as good as the torsion diff.@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad

It was actually a matter of space. The 8.8 diff is plenty strong. It’s in the back of all mustangs handling 400hp+. It was removed to make space for the big v8. The torsion diff is slightly bigger and would not clear the engine. So as a cost cutting measure, it was removed from the whole platform. For high speed off-roading, it won’t make a difference. But when you need to crawl the truck over a rock or something it’s going to have problems. I guess they figured raptor guys don’t do much of that.

To each his own. I dig its styling way more than the raptors

To each his own 🤷‍♂️. To me it’s an amazing truck. They got so much right in the Gen1 when it first came out and there is nothing like the OG.

For off-roading it matters. Those extra 10 gallons is the difference of 150 miles offroad or 250 miles between stops. It really depends on what your doing and in any situation those 10 gallons come in handy

Everyone going to TYV6 man. Toyota just did, Ram is next. And soon so will GM. The days of the big V8s are numbered man. New emission standards are killing them and manufacturers are getting penalized for making v8s. So there is no incentive for them to keep making them

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadI get that. The v6 Raptor is simply too weak when you compare them for the TRX and raptor r. Raptor is supposed to be a speciality truck. Ford should have never gone with a v6 in the first place.

Ford was ahead of the curve with the V6. And it saved them a ton of money in the long run so I get it. I liked my Gen2 with the v6. The only time I felt I did not have enough power was over 75mph. Offroad it was just right and more than the suspension could handle anyways. The supercharged v8 is definitely more than the stock suspension can handle. I have the gen1 now with the V8 and supercharged. No where near what the R and TRX are doing but it does feel sluggish and lazy until you get in the top end. But I love the sound it makes and wish I could get an R. But markups are crazy and all the extra electronics would be problematic.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad my ecoboost raptor is shit slow. I’m used to big power v8s. It also sounds like shit. Ford should have put a supercharged v8 from the start. The only reason they even did put the supercharged v8!is because of Dodge. If it wasn’t for the Dodge, lame ass Ford would have never released the Raptor R. Lowest markup I could get in Cali is 30k. These markups are too crazy.

@@joemomma707 We will be lucky if there even is anything that has a V8 in 10 years. The writing is on the wall large displacement engines are going bye bye.