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2024 KTM TBI Stator Flywheel Discussion

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Jeff discusses the stator and flywheel on the 2024 KTM 300 XC-W TBI and the 2023/2024 KTM 300 XC TBI.
This also applies to the 2024 KTM 250 XC-W TBI and 2023/2024 KTM 250 XC TBI as well as all the 2023/2024 Husqvarna equivalents and 2024 GasGas equivalents.

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@olliechristopher467
@olliechristopher467 Жыл бұрын
Jeff, you are a good man. You have worked hard all your life modifying KTM's and doing dirty porting work (yes I remember) to keep customers happy. It's great to see your shop grow and have a great parts/sales staff to take care of getting us quality parts. You can then pound out great tech videos and get out to ride more often. I appreciate you don't sell junk at your shop. Get what you pay for comes to mind. Thank you!!
@waynemodesitt3445
@waynemodesitt3445 Жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's been an excellent experience getting all the quality parts from your shop, and watching the helpful videos you've done over the years.
@davidsalinas6084
@davidsalinas6084 Жыл бұрын
Yea he really is. His shop has always been great help with orders and the videos are so educational. It's frustrating when people just think he is here to advertise. I mean for all the free knowledge he gives it out I don't mind him trying to make a buck. Motorcycle business is not easy. Thank you for all you have given Jeff.
@bradl45
@bradl45 Жыл бұрын
Ships fast, love the staff, and the tech video's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Jeff
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@rjthomasindyusa
@rjthomasindyusa Жыл бұрын
I got a 'Ricky Stator' for my 2023 300 XC.... there is a week or so turn around time. You can also get them from MotoMinded with a core charge..... just send your stator back for a credit so you don't have any downtime. They are getting around 75w...... compared to the 30w stock stator.
@josephflaherty3918
@josephflaherty3918 Жыл бұрын
I put a 9oz flywheel weight on my 23 250 XC and I pulled it off immediately after my first day of riding with it. Unless your bike is a dedicated 1-2 gear HARD ENDURO bike I would t do it. It changes the motor characteristics drastically. The bike lugged great, but it felt like pulled out a turbo 1000cc razor motor out and put in a non turbo diesel engine. 1-4 gear are SCREEMING just cruising down a two track road and then 5th doesn’t have enough to pull. While it lugged well, it completely killed the snap and liveliness of the bike and made it hard to load the flywheel and get the front end to pop over stuff. The worst part was that 1-4th gear had such an aggressive engine brake feel, it was almost unbearable to ride. Letting off the gas on a down hill wanted to throw me over the bars. This was tested on some slow and flowing single track in American fork canyon for reference
@twomedicine
@twomedicine Жыл бұрын
Ricky Stator has a rewind option that works well on my TX. I asked them to supply me with a new rewound stator as to not have to send mine to them. I had it in a couple days. I can now run a headlight and fan with no trouble as well as quick start stops. I still have small jump pack leads installed just in case. Dan at True North has some really good testing info on output.
@dsmracing1
@dsmracing1 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for everything you do Jeff! You're such a huge help for all of us. I will be getting a Ricky Stator for my 24 TX300 in the near future for sure.
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 6 ай бұрын
You're welcome. We'll have RIcky Stators in stock soon.
@dsmracing1
@dsmracing1 6 ай бұрын
Awesome, ill definitely hit you guys up then!@@slaverace1
@NickCottreau
@NickCottreau Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that while the xc stator is quite a bit lighter, it also has a bigger diameter; this might lead to more rotational inertia , which might bring the 2 flywheels closer to the same overall feeling on the motor. Appreciate the in depth documentation on these machines.
@MotoMindedLLC
@MotoMindedLLC Жыл бұрын
We do not see what you are talking about? The XC stator IS a smaller diameter! The overall diameter with the 2 flywheels is the same, they have the same starter thus the same outer ring gear diameter. The bigger flywheel and the magnet draw (load in the motor) from the additional windings is a significant reason the W is more mild compared to the XC. Also keep in mind the rotating mass is the flywheel, the stator itself is fixed. 👍😉
@redrider533
@redrider533 Жыл бұрын
On my 2023 GAS GAS EC300 I learned that it had a lighter flywheel than the 2023 KTM 300 XCW. The GAS GAS power delivery was much more aggressive as a result. The crankshaft part numbers for both bike were identical. The Flywheel, stator and pickup coil were different part numbers. This is because the Flywheel on the XCW was deeper to make it heavier so the stator had to accommodate. I swapped all three components into the GAS GAS so now it’s essentially a KTM 300 XCW. The power delivery is much much better as a result. So I explain all that to ask this, can’t the flywheel stator and pickup be swapped on the 2024. I have to believe that the crankshaft and the engine cases are exactly the same.
@Danman1972
@Danman1972 Жыл бұрын
This was my thinking as well. I have a 22 GG. Was thinking of the same thing. I would assume its the same as your 23. I do have a fan, but that is it currently. I'd like to plate it and have been thinking for adding a clutch weight. Did the new FW change things a bunch. Maybe the route I take over the Clutch weight as it would allow a easier light addition.
@MotoMindedLLC
@MotoMindedLLC Жыл бұрын
Yes, AND the voltage regulator! But you will be paving new ground because unknown still if the OCU (canbus) is tied into the main harness? If we are lucky, then the charging system is separate from OCU
@woodsrider75-el5vu
@woodsrider75-el5vu Жыл бұрын
Ricky Stator rewinds the stator for the XC. Just received mine back today. Testing shows that it puts out about 75W.
@lostinpa-dadenduro7555
@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 Жыл бұрын
What was stock ?
@woodsrider75-el5vu
@woodsrider75-el5vu Жыл бұрын
Around 30W.
@TechEnduro
@TechEnduro Жыл бұрын
Same. I got one.
@DeadEnduro
@DeadEnduro Жыл бұрын
What did it cost?
@woodsrider75-el5vu
@woodsrider75-el5vu Жыл бұрын
@@DeadEnduro $215
@jakegarner7
@jakegarner7 Жыл бұрын
Bummed to see the stator is not compatible. Oh well, thanks for digging into that! Sounds like there are other options though.
@claytontycksen9472
@claytontycksen9472 11 ай бұрын
I bought a Ricky Stator rewind from Dan at True North Motos for my 350 XC. Good experience! Recommend!
@MotoMindedLLC
@MotoMindedLLC Жыл бұрын
Great video Jeff!
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@smithmark2773
@smithmark2773 Жыл бұрын
Always good stuff!! Thank you w
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@barnescycle
@barnescycle Жыл бұрын
That explains why you thought the gearing was a little lower 👍
@danarussell4246
@danarussell4246 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always.
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@YilgarnRallye
@YilgarnRallye 2 ай бұрын
Does anyone know if the same is true for the 2024 450 XC-F versus the 450 XCWF/EXC-F stators ? could the EXC-F stator be used in the XC-F bike ?
@bikevault2302
@bikevault2302 Жыл бұрын
great info
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@baldknobby
@baldknobby Жыл бұрын
Manual states it's 110W
@MyersJ2Original
@MyersJ2Original 2 ай бұрын
SO could you do a stator AND flywheel swap to get the higher output stator on the XC family bike?
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 2 ай бұрын
No. The crankshafts are different.
@RStator
@RStator 8 ай бұрын
We have the rewinds dialed in now Mike@ Ricky stator
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 8 ай бұрын
Mike: Thanks for your comment. My staff has been sending you customers for a while.
@mxracerguy
@mxracerguy 29 күн бұрын
What is the difference between Ricks Motorsport and Ricky stator? Same thing?
@user-ro7jn9ph4y
@user-ro7jn9ph4y Жыл бұрын
2023 ktm 300 xc uses a 28x1 flywheel puller
@carlatamanczyk3891
@carlatamanczyk3891 Жыл бұрын
The manufacturers seem to do a few things that just don't make sense.
@zxcvbnmnz
@zxcvbnmnz Жыл бұрын
Whats up with that foot peg, have they gone back to the normal angle pivot on the new frames.
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
Just an experiment.
@Imagerlenscraft
@Imagerlenscraft 5 ай бұрын
Hi Jeff, awesome info as usual. This one was quick and to the point which I appreciate too. What is the stock stator output on each bike? Is there enough output on the stock XC-W to install a fan kit without upgrading the stator? Thanks.
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 5 ай бұрын
Hello: I ran a fan kit on my `23 XC with no problems but that is all the stator can handle.
@trevorsearle8568
@trevorsearle8568 5 ай бұрын
Any one know if the XC-W still has a 195W stator in the bike?
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 5 ай бұрын
Hello: The KTM owner's manual spec says the alternator is 12V, 110W.
@davidgrunklee8407
@davidgrunklee8407 Жыл бұрын
Jeff what's your thoughts on clutch weights vs flywheel weights? I added an 11oz clutch weight to my 23 tx300 heritage and any noticeable difference seems minimal
@aaronbashnick7581
@aaronbashnick7581 Жыл бұрын
The goal of a flywheel weight is to add moment of inertia. Adding weight to the outside of the flywheel, like a flywheel weight adds the maximum inertia per oz so to speak. The clutch weights are often a flat plate and so adds comparatively less inertia per oz
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
Hello: Just one of many sub par products available from Mr. Snakeoil.
@f5tornadeau
@f5tornadeau Жыл бұрын
Great information to know before buying. Seems like a bit of a “screw you” to the consumer to make it difficult to swap parts. Also seems like it would increase production costs to not have more in common as they appear they should…
@robh3267
@robh3267 Жыл бұрын
Do you think KTM has obtained their level of success by adopting a "screw you" mentality, do you think that they wouldn't save money in manufacturing costs by sharing parts, and still be able to achieve the desired end results, where possible, hell no, you sound like another typical hater making comments based on your emotions instead of intellect.
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
I doubt any engineer has "screw you" in mind when designing new bikes. They use the components they determine will work best for the model application.
@f5tornadeau
@f5tornadeau Жыл бұрын
@@slaverace1 not using the same parts when they could, and they could in this instance, increases costs and makes it more difficult for the consumer to modify the bikes as they see fit. Intentional or not, the consumer is getting screwed.
@bikemancody2752
@bikemancody2752 Жыл бұрын
Sprry to ask because you stated in the video. Are you sure the W puller is a 26mm x 1.25 puller? RH or LH? Do you sell them? Btw, love the channel, i have a new 24 W 300. I also have bought 2 slavens Lectrons since 2017 from you.
@richmondmaids
@richmondmaids Жыл бұрын
Hey Jeff can you do another "Top 3 enduro Tires" video... the last one is from 2019 and im curious if anything has changed
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
Ok, but your cutting into my retirement time.
@DarkTimes365
@DarkTimes365 Жыл бұрын
Great video Jeff! I’m curious, do you use the recommended motorex oils for the fuel mix and gear box or do you like something else?
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
I use Motorex 2T slavensracing.com/shop/cross-power-2t-by-motorex/ for the oil injection and Motul Gearbox slavensracing.com/shop/transoiltransoil-expert-gearbox-oil-motul/
@kahawaialana3279
@kahawaialana3279 9 ай бұрын
What the difference between an xc-w, xc and exc
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 8 ай бұрын
EXC and XCW are the same models with PDS rear suspension. The XC has linkage.
@yamguy33
@yamguy33 11 ай бұрын
so as a complete assembly (stator/flywheel) they bolt up in one and the other ?
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 10 ай бұрын
You must have fallen asleep during thee video.
@dirkdiggler3009
@dirkdiggler3009 Жыл бұрын
Can the XC-W and XC flywheel be swapped to accommodate the so the XC-W stator can work on the XC?
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
No
@jeffersonjenkins4969
@jeffersonjenkins4969 Жыл бұрын
@slaverace1 What is your opinion/take on the TSP compression heads and re-map options for adding increased bottom end response & also over rev to the stock TBI XC's? Are these items worth the investment? Thank you in advance! I have a full system Pro Circuit exhaust set up which does some of this already, & live in the Boise, Idaho area, @ 2,700 feet & up.
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
TSP makes good products. Stay tuned as we have many performance options that we will be releasing in upcoming weeks.
@CollaroyHayst
@CollaroyHayst 11 ай бұрын
Hi Jeff, do you know the output of the 2024 exc stator, hopefully a little more than the 2023 thanks Chris
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 11 ай бұрын
No, but it has plenty of juice for lights, fan kit, etc.
@bikemancody2752
@bikemancody2752 Жыл бұрын
Could we lighten the 24 W flywheel? Or mapping be better?
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
What are you trying to accomplish?
@Hendy711
@Hendy711 10 ай бұрын
I am getting ready to take delivery on a 24 TX 300. This issue was brought to my attention just going through you tube videos. This is concerning. I ride a mix of single track woods and open desert riding. Is it possible to put the rotor/flywheel from the XCW/TE on the TX/XC? I can see that the stator is not interchangeable but what if you replaced the whole thing? I know this would add flywheel effect but not sure if that would be the end of the world given where and how I ride. Comments?? Need a solution to run fans and lights etc.
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 10 ай бұрын
No, won't fit the crankshaft. Ricky Stator has a higher output option.
@Hendy711
@Hendy711 10 ай бұрын
@@slaverace1 Well that’s a bummer. I will be turning to Ricky Stator for the upgraded option then. Love the video! Thanks so much for the response!
@goodboyringo9716
@goodboyringo9716 4 ай бұрын
At least KTM could have used the same stator in both bikes , wow how cheap they are. The bikes need a fan and some riders like a front light, so most owners will need to change out the stator costing us more money . KTM has been fixing somethings and screwing up others. thanks KTM.
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 4 ай бұрын
Hello Ringo: Sorry, no offense, but KTM did not cheap out or screw up anything. The XC is a race bike, not a trail bike, and the O.E.M. ignition is designed for maximum performance, not for lights, fans, etc.
@goodboyringo9716
@goodboyringo9716 4 ай бұрын
@@slaverace1 ,.... Thats your opinion , no offense . Yes it is a race bike but it can easily be a trail bike and most all riders add a fan because they get hot. The sx is the real race bike
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 4 ай бұрын
@@goodboyringo9716 Hello Ringo: It's not my opinion. KTM SX/SXF/XC/XCF models are all listed as race models by KTM, not by me. I agree that many guys use them for trail bikes, but if your going to use them for something other than what it was designed for, you will have to add components to fit your needs.
@goodboyringo9716
@goodboyringo9716 4 ай бұрын
@@slaverace1 ... Ok , I see I can't win here no mater what I say . So, let me say this , I'll be riding trails and what ever else comes my way with the xc. Just a few years back the trans between the xc and xc-w were different but KTM didn't tell anyone they changed them. KTM should be informing the public of these types of changes and other things. How hard would that be?
@milosbgd
@milosbgd Жыл бұрын
Hello Slaven, is the flywheel the same on XCW 2024 and TPI 2021/22/23
@slaverace1
@slaverace1 Жыл бұрын
No. Not interchangeable.
@milosbgd
@milosbgd Жыл бұрын
@@slaverace1 thanks
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