Hey Brother. Keep holding these companies accountable. There's no way there should be a 21fps difference in speeds. Even the 10fps you graciously give the companies is almost too much in my opinion. To me, if the bow is in spec, it should be within 5fps. Allowing for the variations in chronographs. There's no reason a bow should leave the factory without being in spec and shooting the advertised speeds. Thanks again for another awesome review.

It would also be nice if a 34” ATA bow went out to 31”-32” draw length range. Another Great review MFJJ. Thanks

Great reviews! Treats every company the same. His process is well thought out and fair.

These Primes are a great shooting bows!!

Great detail, thanks for your honesty. Been shooting a prime for about 6 years now. Love the one I have, would like to get a new one but just can’t justify spending the money on one when the arrow speed will be the same as my 6 year old bow.

Great looking bow, riser pretty decent looking. Speed may be spot on for price. Excellent features.

you give this one a 2 for reflex, not that that even matters but you give another with a 2 of the same size a 4.

Love the reviews MFJJ, dont let the speed haters get to you, the way you do speed is relevant and informative so that we can see what bow is the fastest at a draw length sonce they all have varying maximum draw lengths, and my draw length doesnt change all that much

Holy Crap have you been pumping out the videos!

What brand is that bow vice?? Looks awesome. Great reviews mate

Its apparent that these bow manufacturers can publish whatever they want for speed just to sell a bow.

At 1:20 in the Revex 4 video a 2 3/8" reflex was ok. Here, a 2" reflex is not. Thats odd due to them being almost identical risers.

I would like to try to learn how to make bow strings for some work at home.

Another great review. Speed seems way off. I'm curious what let off was used. For the Matthews Lift review you added 4 fps because you were using the 85% vs 80% mod. Was this Prime RVX set at 85%, and if so, how would that change if you dropped it down to 75%? I still doubt it would be within 10 fps of IBO, but it may be closer. Also, you keep bringing up that you don't understand the swerve in the lower riser being on the same side as the offset portion of the upper riser. Prime has been doing this for years and has clearly stated it's to mirror/balance out vibration between the top and bottom. I'm also not confident that putting the swerve on the other side of the bow would make it more balanced. If the offset weight above the grip is on the right and the offset weight below the hand is on the left, I could see the bow canting more to the right. You could say that lower/side-mount stabilizers are used to this effect, but stabilizers shouldn't be used to correct canting or other form issues; they're used to slow bow movement.

How does the draw cycle compare to bowtechs ss34. Want to shoot it in person but the closest prime dealer is almost 2hrs away

Do the Xpedition Xlite!

Are you too close to the chrono? Looks like the arrow would still be on the string when it first enters it.

I get at 70lbs it was 21 fps off, but the peak draw weight is 80 and with the extra half an inch you would get closer to the 342 advertised. Also some of the other bows are being cut short when you don’t test them at full spec.

I think that would make a good bow to use for 3d shooting if you don't want a true target bow

Do you think if you cranked the weight down to max weight would these bows shoot the ibo speed they claim?

You could see how disappointed he was after shooting those first 3 arrows through the chronograph😅 the bow looked pretty decent up to that point as well

watching these reviews makes you wonder what the point of even listing an IBO speed is... It seems to be entirely normal for bows to be 10-20 fps, or even more, lower than their listed speeds. And there doesn't seem to be any sort of consequences for that. When Mathews/Hoyt/Bowtech/PSE release a new bow and say it shoots 340 fps, but its actually more like 325, the folks who are going to buy those bows are still going to buy those bows regardless. People don't care that the listed IBO speed is a load of bologna, but those same people would be outraged at a new bow release if the manufacturer ACTUALLY had the stones to give a real world speed rating. A new bow that is listed at 340 but only shoots 325 will sell way better than a bow listed at 325 that shoots 325. Like he mentions in the video, I'm sure these brands basically put the bows in a "vacuum" environment to get these speeds, knowing full well customers don't, won't, and can't use them that way. You can take the bow and shoot it with no D-loop or peep, using an arrow with no fletchings, using a target style rest that has almost no contact points, using thinner strings, and put it thru a dozen different chronographs 100 different times and all they have to do is see one of them light up with 342 ONCE to be able to list the bow as 342.

I dont want to harp on it but it think its fair to bring up that while this bow deserved its low rating for speed. You gave the Mathews bow a 4 out of 5. And it was 15 fps slower than advertised but you gave it an extra 4 fps because of a mod that isnt even available yet. But you gave the elite that was 19 fps slow a 1.

It's always the same with IBO speeds... That speed is tested for 82 lb bow, 400gn and the max DL, in this case 30.5" . If you adjust these values to ATA the speed would be around 328 fps so it's only 8 fps difference with published data. They lie? Yes, but not so much as you declare in your video. And you know it...

I think you need to evaluate your vibration meter. When it’s so different from shot to shot, bow to bow. As you said about this bow, how you could feel residue vibration that took a while to dissipate and it had a better rating on your meter than the Mathew’s Lift which you said was pretty dead in hand. When you used to do it by “feel” it was more accurate.

MFJJ keeping it real!

weird that other people are getting faster speeds than yours, idk if it's your setup or maybe the draw length and poundage.

I'm surprised on the speed. My 80 lb revex 4 set at 75.1 is pushing a 500 grain vap at 294 fps average which on paper calculates to be right on ibo.

Love the bow reviews MFJJ. I gave prime crap in person for that speed being that slow at the ATA show. It drives me nuts

I thought draw length measurement was taken to the throat of the grip plus 1.75". Why is it suddenly to the Berger hole?

6 years later and they still haven’t made a bow that performs in terms of speed like the Centergy Hybrid. 338 IBO rating and it spits 485gr arrows at 285

Thought I had found “the bow” with my Revex 34…. Until I put on a jacket. Nothing you can do will stop the cables from touching the sleeve. They are just way too close to the riser! Being MFJJ I thought you’d point out this huge design flaw? Of course Prime fan boys say it’s me. Shopping for a bow now I can actually take hunting while wearing clothes!!

Do they list ATA or IBO speed? Because ATA is 70# 30" 350gn. IBO is 80#, no DL limit and 5gn per pound arrow weight (so 400gn usually) Looked it up, it's IBO speed, so, there might be some discrepancy because they could have used longer draw lengths to get there, within the IBO rules.

20+ fps discrepancy is wild. Excited for the Bears 🤘🏾

For the love of God man, test them using IBO guidelines if you are going to shit on them for not meeting their advertised IBO speed. I get what you are doing. ATA is the realistic speed guideline, but they don't use that. Also, don't think we didn't notice the hawk tuah you gave that Lift 33. 17 fps off "IBO" and it gets a 4. There was a half inch difference in reflex between the Lift 33 and this bow and you gave the Mathews a 4.

So biased on the speed. I just watched the Mathews vid and this was only off by a tiny bit more, and Mathews got a 5?? Crazy.

Big time flaw in the prime bow my buddy pointed out, he has last years 34, problem is the cables are way to close to your wrist, ok if you never hunt cold but if you do this bow doesn't work

I'll be frank: I care less about their honesty, and more about the actual speeds! I love a smooth draw, but this thing is slow and the reflex is pretty high at 2.5".

I made a comment which has been deleted not good for trancperacy.LOOSING a bit of cofidence in this site.

Funny how fanboys get bent out of ahape. Watch the video it is what it is....bow companies have been lying about speed 4 ever.

I’m confused why you gave a bow that’s 23 fps off it’s advertised speed a 1, but a bow that’s 13fps off a 4? This is so arbitrary and appears to be biased. Maybe have a written rating system like 10 to 13 is a 4, 14 to 17 is a 3, 18 to 20 is a 2 and 20 plus is a 1. Plus you should set the bows to a true 30” when testing, rather than leaving them at 30 1/4 or 30 1/2. That way we get the real speed! I’m just as critical as Josh. Ha

Give them a zero for speed, that's really bad...

Paused the video at 6:33, cables are touching his bare arm ffs, terrible, wow

I do not understand why you keep dinging bows for not hitting the IBO speed when you aren’t testing it using the poundage, draw length, and arrow weight used for their posted IBO numbers… You continually compare apples to oranges and act surprised… It makes no sense

that slow its only worth 1000 canadian

Bow company's running out of ideas making junk

So the slowest bow this year not impressed! Be a good 3D bow but that’s about it!

Prime is going backwards

How long have you been doing this and you don’t know how to shoot through a chrono🫤