That's part of the option package. We list the price as "starting". Price as you see it here with the Sunroof, 10-way power seat and Harmon Kardon Audio ($2,270) is $35,560 including destination ($1,295)

@@drivingsportsnot worth it, I just bought a 24 Outback Wilderness with option 22 pkg (Nav,Roof,HK) for $39995.00 way more car for just a bit more $$

@@Jay-td5krWell, that is your opinion. You paid more, so you got more. Some don't want to even have what you dished out for. Let lone everything that was listed here. $30K is about on par with what I think this thing is worth. - the the optional packages.

great reply! @@WW-wf8tu

@@WW-wf8tu You can get the Forester base for under $30k LOL. Looking at the Forester Wilderness at a local dealer with sticker price of $38k.

Agree!

Am looking for a new car and was hoping he had this video I like the look of the Crosstrek more but the Outback seems to have more features that I would like

I agree, just the added ground clearance makes it look better too. Course I guess you could buy a base model and put a lift on it, but you don't get some of the other Wilderness stuff by doing so LOL. I looked at a Forester Wilderness last weekend, kind of want one, my bank account however says absolutely not LOL...couldn't afford the ridiculous payments on a new vehicle and the ridiculous interest rates.

What off road trim doesn’t now a days? If anything Subaru did the least amount of work to differentiate between their road counter parts. Whereas other companies change transmissions or even totally different off road programs ie. ivtm4 and the like.

@@MrMikeDao Actually most other comapnies don't change anything, they just put stickers on to make you feel better about overpaying for their "offroad" car....Toyota is a great example, they've put TRD stickers on just about every model and TRD has nothing to really do with offroading in the sense that most people think....and absolutely doesn't justify the additional cost of the vehicle, makes the ride rougher by adding the worst shocks they could manage to find....

Wrong! Outback and Forester have different cvt gear ratio this make whole different story. I know we can do lift,skid plate, shocks,wheels and tires but nobody can touch transmission

@@Kodazot The CVT in the Wilderness models is regeared, or just the differentials? Thought it was some of both if I'm not mistaken.

Me too.

Me three

How are you guys doing over there?

I thought you were going to say or taking it on some nasty dirt road riding trip 😅😉

FWIW I had similar requirements and ended up getting a Bronco Sport, specifically the Badlands trim. This channel has some good videos with it as well.

Didn't like the red in the pictures, but it's amazing in person. Great choice!

Which color did you pick?

@drivingsports Geyser Blue, it was a tough choice between that and the Alpine Green!

TFL non negotiable: unable to negotiate Moab and CVT. Automatic thumbs down by TFL.

I read all the comments. 👍🏼-RD

Family members bought a '20 Crosstek and a '21 Forester partly based on reviews from DSTV.

+ Bronco Sport? If anyone has the pull with Subaru for this ask, Ryan does!

Already asked.

@@drivingsports I assume they didn't give you an answer LOL. I'd be curious to see if there's any significant differences in performance...I know there are size differences, but that would be more of a buyer's choice...I'm curious if the AWD programming would be different.

@@wildbill23c It's just a matter of logistics. They don't always keep an Outback and Forester Wilderness in the PNW fleet. (For example, right now there is only a Crosstrek Sport and Impreza available.)

@@drivingsports Have you reviewed the Impreza yet? Or the Legacy? Don't recall seeing a video on either as of late. If you have, I must have missed them LOL. Course neither are offroad worthy like the crossovers are, but definitely worth the mention, not everyone wants or needs a crossover or SUV, some still want a regular old car LOL.

Both is a great 2-car solution.

Congrats! Love the look of the CX-50. What made you choose the Mazda over Subaru?

The infotainment on the 2024 models is also snappier than the 2023. I think Subaru are listening to customer feedback.

The only thing I ever heard about it is that it's a repackage Fiat 500 electrical issues and falling apart while it was brand new. So basically what I'd expect from a Fiat Jeep Chrysler thing😅😉 oh yeah and Jeep, so, completely overpriced. (Although the price of this Subaru thing has gotten pretty overpriced. Not as bad as Jeep though.). These days Jeeps are just overpriced poser mobiles. And you have to pay a hell of a lot more money to get a trailhawk. To do what a Jeep is supposed to do. Remember when you're basically just had to buy a Jeap to do what a jeep was supposed to do... Now there's a bunch/mostly of 2 wheel drive, all wheel drive, unibody toy overpriced poser mobiles. 🙄 You have to pay a ton of extra money now to get a trailhawk version to start to get close to what a Jeep was/ is supposed to be. Oh and then there's that Jeep, Chrysler, Fiat, "stilantis"? ... "Quality, reliability," and gas mileage 🙄😅 Fix It Again Tony... 😅 Hey can they make they voice to text on here work anymore horribly?!?🤪🤬

@@RRr-yl8zr I mean sure. but you got to keep in mind the times we are in. ~35k for a full loaded car isn't that bad. And that's what I hear from everyone who doesn't own one. I've asked multiple people who actually own one and they have had little to no problems with them even at 70-100k miles. I'm sure it depends on how you maintain it, but that goes for pretty much any vehicle. Right now the only downside of the car is the engine not being very strong, it doesn't feel weak, but just nothing to rave about. and you can spend 35k on other brands that have more features standard, like power tailgate, parking sensors, adaptive cruise systems, which the renegade can get, just not on the trailhawk because of the different bumper you get. It's a tradeoff which a lot of people don't understand.

@@FinancialStorm7 @Boom5hot26 couldn't care less about a power tailgate. If I'm too feeble to open the tailgate then I would be too feeble to drive to drive a car, especially one that's made to go down nasty roads. It's just ridiculous extra expense and then extra maintenance expense and hassle. I was looking at a couple of Cherokees to buy years ago. I took them two different shops for inspection. both shops said don't buy them. Various problems. And they all seem to always have failing tie rod ends also . It's pretty well established a Chrysler is the least reliable , highest maintenance, lowest gas mileage, of all US made cars. From the 1980s up until Maybe at least the last several years. And look at that cheap crappy dumpy interior from the 1970s on those Chrysler 300 's 🙄. Most of the stuff you listed I think is for selling the cars to women . Maybe even with a three-way lighted makeup mirror? 😅. I Don't Really trust adaptive cruise control. And of course all kinds of extra sensors and maintenance and potential failure points involved in all of that overdone stuff. I Don't really like anything that's going to take control of breaking or or steering. That should be making for some interesting crashes and deaths in the future with system errors and failures. Electronics do not like heat, water, vibration. You know, being in a car 😅 I also would just love the breaking to come on while I am passing a car in a tight space with traffic coming at me ahead and then have the breaking slam on either making it so I can't pass or locking me into the lane with oncoming traffic and a car on my right preventing me from getting back into my lane. And if you've got major problems happening on your car after only "70,000 miles", you got a piece of crap car. What it really needs is a front camera. Those things cost nothing these days you just need the cheap digital camera and some wire to get to the dashboard, there's already a entertainment center monitor screen there. It really could use what... another 20 horsepower and 20 ft lb of torque? To make it a much better all around car. And I would much rather get the cloth seats from the sport version than the hot sweaty fake leather rubber diving suit seats whatever they are, they are nasty hot messes. I would much rather have cloth seats and save the money. they say that sweaty mess of a material that's in the wilderness cost more. But I do still want to see how it does against the renegade off-road. Even though you'd have a hard time trying to give me to buy a Fiat renegade / Fiat 500 😅. Is the renegade smaller than the crosstrek? That would be a problem. I'm kind of thinking the Crosstrek might be on the too small side? Wait, does the renegade have less power than the crosstrek? I wonder which one you have to rev higher to get to the power. But you know what is the worst most unreliable failing piece of junk almost unusable. Basically completely unusable... It is the voice to text on here! Completely useless dropping off words putting in the wrong words then later changing to the wrong words. Impressively, amazingly horribly bad pretty much useless setup!🤬🤪

Front and Diff, Imho are the two necessary ones. The third is just extra insurance.

@@drivingsportsthank you 🙏