It's like the Chris Squire lyric from Fish Out of Water: "Don't advise you to stick to rules, but there ain't no need to push and shove".

There's a time and place to go fast , even on my pedal bike I know this. Unfortunately many E-bikers think they're on motorcycles on a highway.

@@manchesterexplorer8519 so do regular bicycles thinking their a motorcycle

@@jamesbarry2388 I Cycle on average 75 miles per week of my local rail trail and I can assure you E-bikes are the problem most of the time.

@@jamesbarry2388 Biking an average of 75 miles per week on my local rail trail system I agree , but E-bikers are much more of a problem , especially the younger crowd weaving around bikes and people doing 30-40mph which I see quite often. All I see is a serious injury and pending lawsuits just waiting to happen. Most cyclists slow down and warn people that they're coming up from behind them , I usually have music playing that can be heard from 50 feet away. A huge problem is people walking or jogging while wearing headphones in the middle of the road unaware of their surroundings , which in my opinion is a bigger annoyance.

No. The problem is big government sticking it's big nose in everyones business. Vote the democrats out in local elections, state elections and federal elections.

You will be safe until it's time for a replacement

I'm 74 had my ebike 3 yrs. The computers speed limit is set at 20mph. I drive 12-14 mph. I'm in no hurry to kill myself

Yeah like those cars on the roads

hater. No difference.

I've seen several youtube videos on those Surron bikes and they are crazy fast.

@@SteveOMotos you're saying there is no difference between my 500w ebike and your surron? you know what? Surrons aren't the problem....its the creatures who ride them.

Surons are designed to be used off road and not on a mountain bike trail. They are a motorcycle and regulated in most states as such. You are correct in blaming the human in control. The human is the issue and that is what the rule making is about. If you can't control the human then control what they can buy.

​@@DonaldMaysso true, when people say about guns I say the same thing, guns aren't dangerous as they don't hurt anyone, it's who is behind them Stupid how many call Surron an E-Bike when it more motorbike as how many are 8-20kw motors

Vote Trump !

@@CharlesAnsmanbone sprur 🤣

Then learn to ride them and stop crashing them into my wife’s bike at 20mph. Stop losing control on a single track and hurting yourselves in the middle of the woods.

@@CountryFenderBass show me proof that I did that

@@tobebike as a 61 year old Mountain Biker and a retired XC racer I don’t need to prove anything to you. I can tell you what I and my friends have dealt with you e-bike knuckleheads. Our team was on a training day and on a singletrack . We came up on the guy who plowed his e-bike into a guy walking his dog. The e-bikes hurt the hiker and broke his own clavicle. They had to airlift his fat ass off the trail. Another time I was climbing a single track hill. I have the right away and this e-biker comes down the trail running me off the trail. He barely had control of his ebike. My 60 year old wife is a gravel biker (none motorized) was crashed into by a e-bikes on a rail trail. I was about 20 yards behind her when this guy could not negotiate the curve because he was going too fast. He crashed into my wife’s new Specialized gravel bike. He said he just bought it and the last time he biked was when he was a kid. Too many people who have no core strength or bike skills are buying motorized bikes that move too fast for them.

I have all 3 classes and spend 90 % of my time on the class1 I am 62 with a future ankle fusion

A- Man

Should the same "no throttle restrictions" apply to seniors driving their cars?

Seniors should be allowed to have a throttle no matter what they are operating. Actually perhaps the throttle should be mandatory for seniors. 😳😂

If you don't go above 15 mph then EU type regulations will hardly affect you. If adopted wholly (unlikely) all it will mean is you have to start off by peddling and not with the throttle start. Do look on the bright side.... it could help you get a bit healthier cos sitting on an electric bike and not peddling does not help anyone's health (e.g. look at the guy who authored this video).

Absent parents

It is a problem, and parents won't do anything until there kid dies and then they want to point the finger at everyone else.

Except in Jan and Feb, I avoid beach paths on my bicycle. Lots of path traffic and lots of brain dead riders and especially pedestrians.

Had a kid almost run head on into me on a bike trail going way too fast on his ebike. He was texting, looking down at his phone. He swerved out of the way at the last second. Kids on ebikes are everywhere in Orange County, CA.

I see children behave this way even with good parents. Parents, yes, but don't always blame the parents.

So you are advocating age-based restrictions? Is that not another regulation? You cannot have it both ways. Some regulation is needed.

@@geraldhenrickson7472 What parents can’t parent? It has to be a regulation? Fine why not regulate kids, they have regulations for getting a learners permit to be able to drive they have curfews there’s all kinds of regulations for kids. I’m an adult I don’t need to be regulated. I don’t need to be taxed for every single little thing, I wanna do including riding a bike, unlike a kid I know not to fly full speed through a stop sign in front of moving cars. Apparently not all kids do I just had it happened a 14-year-old with another kid on the back of a ebike blew through a stop sign at full speed right in front of my truck and I almost hit them. So yeah, I think children need to be supervised whether it’s by their parents or regulated or whatever. But I don’t need to be regulated or taxed, I’m an adult, now I understand that not everybody who’s adult age is actually mentally an adult that’s a whole different topic.

@AnotherOne00-mrgitdown Adults vs kids 🙄🤦‍♀️

@@Greatgadgetsgear Watch some of these ebikes youtube videos they are mostly males 20-40 acting like 12 year olds going wroom wroom....

@@scb2scb2 Hahaha 😆

unfortunately i didn't get the video published soon enough I was gone on vacation. They will be a comment period when they decide what to do. They mention EU standards a couple of time they also said that they were waiting for industry stake holder to come forward. That info i got via email conversation. keep your eye on the link for updates. This flew under alot of industry insiders radar.

It would be interesting to see how they compare with regular bike injuries/deaths.

Yes it is a sad state in America 🇺🇸 the land of me. Just keep doing the right thing even if no one else notices thanks for watching

So true it

Vote Trump !

The left will add a tax to them to solve it.

Thanks for sharing

That's interesting because most places give bikes the right to use roads along with vehicles. This is of course except for most Federal highways, which restrict pedestrian and bike traffic from using them. I know in my state that bikes are legally allowed to use the roads and that there are even regulations that dictate the amount of space that cars must give when overtaking a cyclist. You should dig into your state and local regulations to see if the police were just giving you their "opinion" of what the law is rather than what is actually on the books.

You want law makers to actually think and research about writing a law ....

@@Kay0Bot Of course i do. They wont though. They prefer feelings over fact.

It comes to type of motor I have both kinds hub and mid-drive my mid-drive is 250 watts and it will out climb my 1000watt hub drive

@@DonaldMays Not around here. 250 and you will be walking the bike up the hill. If a 1500w will barely push 10mph with 150nm of torque up the hill. Imagine what 250 or even 750 would do. Huck my driveway has an incline of 25 percent.

I have ridden the bike in all terrain it does ok. I climbed pikes peak at 8mph 250 watts in a mid-drive is quite different then a hub drive .

Yeah its not like anywhere outside the usa the industry sells ebike following these rules.... only 1 in about 35 are sold in the usa.

No they aren't in the same the issue is speed and inexperienced riders people who ride the pedal bikes learn the cost of speed through years of riding

Can go more than 20mph on an E-Bike too, just you have to learn how to pedal on an E-Bike too

An ebike weights from 20kg to 25kg and a normal mountain bike 11kg to 13kg, i had rided assisted pedal ebike in trails and is a lot of fun but... is much harder to maneuver at high speeds and close turns, that extra weight builds innertia and you need to be really fit "strong core and strong arms" , if a rider can pedal 20mph he must be really fit but in the other hand if you put an overweight person on a ebike the bike would behave different. Its a matter of physics, if you don't like complain with god.

@@eltelle I say 8kg to 16kg but as my real mountain bike with 26" wheels was 16kg then I looked at a 8kg build, I'm looking to sacrifice light weight for a fake mountain bike, as in 29" wheels and be enduro for 11.7kg to 12.7kg mainly depends on suspension and tyres I pick Yes to me mountain bike is 26" anything else is a mountain bike wanna be

@@DonaldMaysthat’s a pretty broad assumption that everyone on an ebike is inexperienced. It’s a good thing laws aren’t written that way.

I agree here is the text www.regulations.gov/document/CPSC-2024-0008-0001

@@DonaldMays Since the bike odometers are digital, they can easily keep speed histories, so policing should not be an issue. Just require odometers to keep speed histories should a bike path dispute arise.

People don't follow the speed limit driving vehicles , the same will happen on rail trails.

0:19 ​@@DonaldMays

Here is the problem on bike trails they need to be marked walkers one side riders on the other. Next issue is headphones and music playing people can't hear nothing cause they have ears covered

They realize muddle class Americans are being priced out of cars so they have to controll the next form of transportation ebikes

​@@DonaldMaysCould I wear an electric exoskeleton on a standard bike? They're never going to stop making these stupid laws.

Think we are a few years from that technology

@@DonaldMays Oh, exoskeletons? They already exist. But they aren't mainstream enough for lawmakers to notice. You can drive a bike way faster with a motor helping you extend your leg muscle. That's why I thought that case was funny. Lawmakers trying to limit technologies they don't even understand.

As long as they get more tax money, they are happy.

There is a problem with what rules apply to ebikes and who will follow them

"Excess" speed is a factor in many auto accidents and speed has a clear impact on fuel mileage. Legislating speed limiters on cars is not that unpredictable.

Helmets are useless, ask people from Amsterdam why nobody wear a helmet✌🏻

@@simseven4967 Ok ill bite i work in amsterdam and live in utrecht the 2 most known bicycle cities in the netherlands. Within class 1 (15.5mph) almost nobody has a helmet. bicycles going faster will like class-3 but also people on racing bicycles for exmaple. Also kids, people with health issues and older people (esp on class-1 ebikes) also wear them if they want. The fact is in a well designed system where roads are designed to avoid conflict speeds are low and the people have a few decades of experience this is a workable balance between helmets vs no-helmets thats partly because of the european ebikes rules.

@@scb2scb2 e bikes are limited to 25 kmh 250W motor and this is how it should be, faster e bikes are like mopeds and should not be driven on bike lanes More than 90% of helmets on the market are faulty, it is the same like with face masks from 2020 to 2022

I don't know, my ebike I have to pedal and rarely go over 2nd level but on my other ebike which is class 3 I ride for fun out camping. My class 1 I have lost 65lbs in less than a year

they are going to regulate kids off bikes that can go over 15mph and in most states there are already laws to prevent that. Parents and police are not doing there jobs

@@DonaldMays Unfortunately law enforcement has so much to do these days, trying to stay update with the latest tech gets a bit much sometimes. It falls on the parents, we keep looking to the government to solve all of are problems. The people I have been stopping on electric dirt bikes and electric unicycles like the Surrons are mostly in their 30s. Must parents are buying the electric scooters and one wheels for their kids. With the first group being the speedsters. I am seeing more electric dirt bikes than gas power dirt bikes, where riders in both groups being adults.

Teenagers are clueless about everything , so yes.

Today I passed 2 girls, about 10 yo, riding on one ebike on a busy street with a young german shepherd following, no leash. That was a surefire disaster waiting to happen.

Sur-rons are not ebikes with pedals, they are electric dirt bikes. They should not even be talked about in the same breath when discussing e-bike regulations. They should already be considered in the moped class.

We have a sticker requirement haven't seen one on a bike in last 3 years no one enforces the rules unless it in national park or a national forrest

For sum it is necessary to get going when balance is an issue or when someone's goal is unrealistic lol

That’s about what a fast mountain bike rider does for speed on the flats just by pedaling.

Same here

Do you work for the government 😂😂

Many cities riding a bike is dangerous and those cities don't worry about pedestrians or cyclist and it is a shame

nope roads are whatever the speed limit is

Enforcement is key as much as rider education

Thanks for watching glad you found a solution that works for you I use a 200watt panel and solar generator that has 614wh it charges two bikes per day

@@DonaldMays No worries, Cool. My Hut's Houselighting Bank is 6 X 6-volt 225 A/Hr Golf-Cart Lead/Acid "Water-Boxes", fed by an Array of 180 Watts of (tracked) Panels..; so I have 650 A/hr at "12 Volts", giving an available "10% Rated Capacity Daily Duty-Cycle", of 65 A/Hr going into a 500 Watt 240-Volt DC to AC Inverter. I have seen 80 A/Hr going in at 12 Volts over a blue-sky day, after 3 rainy ones (!) ; So with 300 W/Hrs consumed per average day to run my Hut's Lights - I could recharge either a 350 W/Hr Discovery Battery, or a Husqvarna 300 Watt Brushcutter/Chainsaw Battery, per day, on Sunlight alone. But tonight I'll run the Hut on stored Sunlight, while burning 1.3 litres in the Generator over an hour & a half to make up for 35 Km riding today on the Bike. I came home with a litre of Milk, 2 litres of Coconut Juice, 2 loaves of Bread and a 1.25 Kg Gas-bottle ; as well as a new Akubra Hat ($245... !) & Sunglasses ($45... !) to replace the ones lost on Saturday when Guess Who (?) only replaced One of the 2 Octopus-Straps which were supposed to hold the Hat on the Pannier Bags - while I wear the Full-Face Skid-Lid. Road-registered means Complying with the full set of requirements for lawfully preparing to fall off a real Motorcycle ! So the $7,000 Bike cost $7,500 Registered & insured, another $500 to deliver it 423 miles out of the Capital City where the Importers are - and another $1,000 for the full Evil Knevil Suit to wear while riding it. But, the promise is to go to town, shopping, on nothing but Sunlight. Half the total cost is the Bike, and that saves 2/3 of the Petrol burnt in a normal Car doing the same job (at more than twice the Speed)..., the rest of the $20,000 is for Solar Stuff to refill the Bike with Sunlight, instead of a Generator. One has to be keen, AND have sufficient money to throw at the Project. I came into a small inheritance, so I upgraded my Fire-Hose Collection from $11,000 to $27,000 worth of Bushfire Protection Plan insitu, and and $24,000 at the Decarbonised Grocery-Run, Chainsaw, Brushcutter & Leafblower (all three of which are for Fireground Preparation/Hazard Reduction Burning and/or Firefighting. Guess who hates Global Warming...(?). It costs huge amounts to be forever preparing for the Next MegaFireStorm Drought Season, Kinda thing. Happily, I never voted to Grow the EcoGnomie ; So most of Global Warming is Some other persons' Doing, Entirely. I didn't do ( very much of) it at all, by comparison...(!). Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

I'm a 40 year old e-bike rider. I do think things are potentially going overboard for an entire community as a result of a few, but I also think the first responsible step is (not to be cruel) to regulate the younger communities. As you mentioned. Higher ages. Proper training from a parent or a simple class. Even if it's online. I can imagine many of the injuries/issues mentioned are younger people and those with no empathy for others on the path or road. Of course getting hit by a car - well there's a high chance that's on the car.

To be fair, that sounds like Huntington Beach's failure to enforce the rules, which I'm sure there are plenty of. There are rules and laws for any vehicle that uses the roads and probably regulations for anyone riding on a sidewalk or path.

Hey i work there too and you're full of it.

Just buy a class 2 sticker

What is lacking is the wisdom to know what is dangerous

The Government realizes that cars are getting so expensive that they will lose millions of drivers in the next 10 years that will have to move to micromobility,

www.regulations.gov/document/CPSC-2024-0008-0001

Your bike won't be taken they may limit it's use on bike trails and make future purchase of a ebike very limited to speed but I am sure they leave a way to hack the speed

You are correct but we can't blame it all on the young there old people that don't know better put grandpa in a Bugatti and don't tell him it's fast

@@DonaldMays the only way that young people are to blame, is that most of them think the gubbamint exists to provide and protect them. Well that's a recipe for failure. Back in my day, if we got hurt doing something of our own doing, we got laughed at.

Lol I have no idea

this affects bike manufactured after the imposed regulations

I have one on my R1. People are amazed when they see me pedaling on I95 at 80mph.

😂😂 think bigger it’s 2024 “hey officer don’t assume my bikes identity. But if you need to know it’s a 5 year olds pedal bike. Have a nice day”

@@manasseh7 Next level 🥇 post, July cannot come soon enough

I do believe that it will be eye-opening for the ones that don't follow the law

this will only apply to new bikes in 2025

Politicians drink that's why alcohol is still legal

www.regulations.gov/document/CPSC-2024-0008-0001

Mobility devices are regulated by a different agency and I doubt they will change in the near future

Twist throttle ebikes class2 are not always allowed in michigan they are not allowed on any unpaved paths and some cases not allowed paved paths

They have that now my limiter is cut off but I ride sensible so if I need to get away from a dog my bike can move out and away from danger 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

Regular bike deaths have been steady since the 70s ebike cause of death are different more of them are caused by bike failures

There will be another comment period after they purpose the rules and you can always call your senator or congressman

They are not bicycles they are motorcyclra

Anyone who can maintain 25 mph on a flat road has a lot of experience on the bike. Serious cyclists know better than to ride full speed, when slower bicyclists or pedestrians are on the trail. This can't be said for all e-bike riders who can just hop on and go 20-30 mph. The real question is what can be done to make roadways safer for 'slow motorcycles?' As a teenager in the 80s, the advent of mopeds and scooters that could get 100 miles per gallon offered great options for cheap transportation, but they decided to regulate them like regular motorcycles, sealing off that whole technology. The real enemy here is the dominance of the over powered automobile, which poses a catastrophic danger to everyone, to include animals, pedestrians, and each other.

I am sorry to read about your accident I think class 1 bikes will be OK and the rules would on apply to bikes manufactured after the rules are adopted

In my 70’s on paved path on ebike slowly pedaling assisted by motor . It’s frequently patrolled by rangers and local police never has a issue as many others obeying the many signs . This is near Sacramento Ca.

I lived in Germany Bremerhaven and schweinfurt and rode all over the country enjoyed biking there

@@DonaldMays And you saw quite a bit of the country and the different landscaping then. But I am still glad I bought my E-bike back in April. I have a 6 mile one way commute to Heidelberg. If i didn't have the E-bike I wouldn't do it.

@ZaxDrumsandGolf I use to commute 30km to Wurzburg everyday most of it on the road. I worked for the army and built custom frames.

@@DonaldMays That's a good commute!! my total is about 24 km. It's definitely saving me money at the gas pumps!!

But if somebody gets hurt, you could be facing legal troubles if it was found that you were riding something illegal. Something to consider especially if you have significant assets to go after.

it is a ebike Parts problem to many failures in untested parts

Ahead of the curve my homeowner covers our 3 bikes

@@DonaldMays wow …my homeowner insurance wouldn’t cover FULL coverage… I get hit or someone hits me I’m covered for up to $20,000 plus road side assistance including towing …homeowner insurance only covers if it’s stolen on the property itself

Is that $145 just for one bike or does it cover any bike that you ride?

well, i hope nether of us has to use it. I have been hit twice by cars

@@johnstack5008 just your own personal bike

To some point it will happen

good for you I do not be leave that you will have a problem in the future unless you buy a new bike

My wife says amazon

Very good ADULT response. Not like some of these other responses that are downright childish.

just a (general) NO! or something more specific?

lol, calm the hell down, the minute someone says “regulation” Americans get triggered, chill, no one’s coming for your guns.

If everyone acted smart and sensible at all times we wouldn’t need regulations. But unfortunately there’s too many irresponsible idiots out there who behave recklessly.

Fuck yes they do👍 fuck your gov!

​@@JackFouregulations are not the answer

I have ridden all over the world and its a big problem in the USA too. I can not imagine why people walk through the woods with the ears covered up. there are bears in those woods

And they are addressing the issue. Future ebike batteries will require U.L listing and testing

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They do need to set standards for ebikes right now the standards do not account for added weight and speed of ebikes. Testing standards need to be developed for stems,bars,seatpost,crank arms,frames,forks and brakes

They will impose the changes on manufacturers and importers and customs will stop non-conforming bikes as to bikes in the current market will be safe as to getting caught in michigan by dnr it's a 240 dollar fine and any damage to trail. Right now the rules for natural surface is class 1 only.