04:54 🇵🇸 Robert Breedlove, the moderator, shares his initial views on the Israel-Palestine conflict, stating that he was previously unaware and had a limited perspective, but now views Israel as having a significant advantage over Palestine and engaging in what he perceives as a campaign to seize land. 10:58 🇮🇱 Yaron Brook presents Israel as a country that protects individual rights, contrasting it with authoritarian regimes in the Arab world. He argues that Israel, while not perfect, is a place where individuals can flourish, citing examples of Arab citizens' rights and technological achievements. 19:59 📜 Yaron Brook discusses the history of the conflict, asserting that Palestinian leaders have historically opposed Jewish presence in Palestine and engaged in violence, contrasting Jewish efforts to build industry and improve Arab lives with Arab attacks and massacres. 27:06 🏠 Palestinians leaving their homes in 1948: Most Palestinians left their homes voluntarily, encouraged by Arab leaders with the expectation of a swift Arab victory over Israel, not because they were forcibly expelled by Israelis. 32:24 🛑 Debunking land ownership claims: Contrary to claims, by 1945, Zionist migrants to Palestine owned only 5.67% of the land, not bought as suggested, but through government confiscation, leading to a significant shift in land ownership. 39:03 💼 British role in land acquisition: The British played a significant role in establishing a Jewish homeland in Palestine, ignoring the property rights of the predominantly non-Jewish population. 45:32 ⚖ Palestinians' right to return: Since 1948, Palestinians have been denied their right to return to their homes, facing land confiscation, internal displacement, and restrictions on land ownership based on ethnicity. 49:23 🏛 Israeli government's expansionist policy: Israel's refusal to define its borders and continued expansion into Palestinian territories highlight its ethnically-based socialist government with monopolistic land policies. 51:26 📜 Fabricated history: Yaron Brook dismisses Saifedean's arguments as fabricated history and criticizes historians like Ilan Papé for bias. 52:45 🧾 Refuted claims: Yaron Brook argues that claims made in documentaries and books, such as the expulsion of Palestinians, have been refuted and lack evidence. 54:19 🔒 Property rights: Yaron Brook defends Israel's ownership of land but condemns government ownership, advocating for privatization, and rejects discrimination in land ownership. 58:53 🛑 Disputed narratives: Saifedean challenges Yaron Brook's narrative, dismissing claims of Palestinian expulsion and arguing against collective guilt. 59:51 🔍 Lack of Palestinian representation: Saifedean highlights the absence of Palestinian government representation during the conflict's origins, emphasizing dispossession by the British. 01:14:15 🏛 Zionism, as perceived by Yaron Brook, is fundamentally a project of self-defense, rooted in the idea of establishing a state where all citizens, regardless of religion, are treated equally. 01:22:22 🌍 Understanding the origins of Zionism and its imposition on Palestine reveals it as an alien concept, born from 19th-century Eastern European ideologies, conflicting with the historically diverse coexistence in the region. 01:30:11 🏠 Saifedean argues that Israeli policies, especially regarding property rights, have resulted in the constant displacement and suffering of Palestinians, exacerbating conflict rather than promoting peace. 01:37:06 🛑 Saifedean asserts that the romanticized narrative of Zionist settlement in Palestine overlooks the violent expropriation of land, deliberate displacement of Palestinians, and the failure of the Zionist vision to achieve peaceful coexistence. 01:37:21 💰 The Palestinian-Israeli conflict involves government intervention and central banking, which have fueled catastrophic consequences. 01:37:57 🧠 Yaron Brook refutes Saifedean's assertion that Plan D involved expulsion of Arabs, labeling it as fabricated history. 01:38:41 🇮🇱 Anti-Semitism is acknowledged by Yaron Brook as a reality, attributing its rise partly to historical persecution faced by Jews. 01:39:37 💼 Yaron Brook argues that Jews were expelled from Arab countries, attributing Palestinian exodus to their own choices rather than forceful expulsion. 01:40:59 ⚔ Saifedean highlights the role of government intervention in the conflict, citing European nationalism's influence and Central Banking's impact on funding war efforts. 01:55:09 🏛 Saifedean attributes the perpetuation of the conflict to Central Banking, which funds Zionist expansionism, facilitated by European and US support. 01:56:33 💸 Saifedean argues that without Central Banking subsidizing conflict, Zionist expansionism wouldn't be sustainable, emphasizing the role of monetary policy in arming Israel. 01:58:07 🌍 Saifedean advocates for privatizing land in Israel/Palestine to facilitate peace, criticizing the current government ownership that restricts individual property rights. 01:59:14 🏡 Israel-Palestine conflict roots extend to violence, land disputes, and killings since the 1920s. 02:00:10 💰 Central banking criticized, but not unique to Israel; U.S. arms embargo on Israel until 1967. 02:01:32 🌐 U.S. support for Israel wasn't immediate; skepticism existed pre-1948. 02:02:41 🛂 Israel's borders are defined, except for the West Bank; Gaza left in 2005. 02:04:33 💼 Israel's courts often rule in favor of Arabs on property disputes; denies systematic discrimination. 02:05:03 🚧 Central banking's impact acknowledged, but not seen as primary cause of conflict. 02:06:53 🤔 Achieving peace involves recognizing Palestinians and Israelis as people; property rights key to stability. 02:10:13 ✊ Property rights emphasized as essential for peace; Palestinians' return to land advocated. 02:11:07 💔 Palestinian dispossession by Israel cited as ongoing injustice; calls for recognizing lived experiences. 02:17:03 🛑 Peace requires Palestinians to renounce violence; calls for cultural shift towards freedom and property rights. 02:45:22 💔 Palestinian refugee crisis extended due to Arab world's failure to resettle; contrasts with typical refugee crisis resolutions. 02:46:21 🌍 Peace elusive due to Palestinian rejection of opportunities, dedication to violence, and destruction of Israel. 02:47:15 🏠 Israel's respect for property rights evident in thriving Jewish villages in Golan Heights, contradicting accusations of systematic violations. 02:50:57 🔄 Collective guilt assigned to Palestinians criticized as morally unjust, highlighting complexities in group identification and culpability. 02:52:21 🕊 Advocacy for individualism and property rights as pathways to peace; emphasizes education on freedom and self-interest. 03:06:14 🔥 Conflict rooted in violation of Palestinian property rights during Israel's establishment; ongoing issues in settlements exacerbate tensions. 03:07:45 ⚖ Critique of Israel's foundation on confiscated land highlights ethical dilemma; condemns Western support despite Palestinian suffering.

Lol this guy had no idea who was in the cage with him.

"I do not believe in the TRANSFER of an individual. I believe in the TRANSFER of entire villages." Arthur Ruppin

Thanks

“Land is the most necessary thing for establishing roots in Palestine. Since there are hardly any more arable unsettled lands. . . . we are bound in each case. . . to remove the peasants who cultivate the land." Arthur Ruppin

In Israel, one of the Supreme Court is an arab. Is this apartheid?

“It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents,” Albert Einstein

“Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during our two thousand years of suffering and deserve all that will come to us.” Albert Einstein

I enjoyed very much to hear both neratives in the debate. props to the fair moderator and the respectable debaters. We need more of those if we hope to achieve reconciliation on this long and complicated conflict.

“We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return.” David Ben Gurion

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” David Ben Gurion

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country.” Ben Gurion

"The antisemites will become our most loyal friends, the antisemite nations will become our allies." Theodore Herzl

Absolutely excellent content. Learned a great deal.

"We are used to thinking of the Arabs as primitive men of the desert, as a donkey-like nation that neither sees nor understands what is going around it. But this is a great error. The Arab, like all sons of Sham, has sharp and crafty mind . . . Should time come when life of our people in Palestine imposes to a smaller or greater extent on the natives, they will not easily step aside." Ahad Ha'Am

"I condemn government ownership of land, settlements, nationalism and initiation of force...but" Yaron Brook

"[The Jewish settlers] treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly, beat them shamelessly for no sufficient reason, and even take pride in doing so. The Jews were slaves in the land of their Exile, and suddenly they found themselves with unlimited freedom, wild freedom that only exists in a land like Turkey. This sudden change has produced in their hearts an inclination towards repressive tyranny, as always happens when slave rules." Ahad Ha'Am

Reminds me Russian invasion. Nobody really know the conflict reasons... To me it's always : who benefits from wars?

BTC is property? QED, BTC is subject to property rights & self determination, agree? If agree, isn't this the beauty of the new financial system managed via immutable blockchain vs property rights controlled by a centralized entity?

This will educate you all this history perhaps not fully nut at least the start of it. Also show who these Israelis really are ?

I’ve struggled on deciding my stance about this issue, but after listening to Yaron, it’s clear to me that Israel is the moral side. I don’t think any honest person could hear this debate and still not see it.

Yaron categorises the criminal Israeli activity as a few bad eggs and condemns it. He doesn't see his own hypocrisy when recommending collective punishment for the same thing on the opposite side. Is this the best you could find to defend the zionist project?

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Great debate. Sounds like both groups of people have been victimized and also have been aggressors. I pray peace will prevail.

Jews must accept the only constant in this world: most of the world is out to get them. I believe this is why they are so strong and so clever. They wouldn't survive otherwise.

After wwi empires wer dismantled to etnic countries. One of the oteman empire ethnic wer jews. Yet thay wer the last to get a country do to arab hatred.

Yaron Brook and Walter block are two people that believe in freedom but conveniently not for Palestinians

This Saif would rather climb a tree to tell a lie than stay on the ground and tell the truth. I think the kindest thing you could say about him is there’s no way he actually believes what he’s saying; if he does, that reflects very poorly on his intellect and morality.

Yaron disingenuously phases over Plan Daket involving the Haganah's military offensive against Palestinians in the 1948 war.

I would pay to hear Norman Finkelstein debate delusional Yaron Brook.

My compliments to the host/moderator! It’s appreciated that he kept time well snd prevented the guests from talking over each other.

Compete BS. The Palestinians inside green line Israel do NOT have the same rights. People get arrested for having Palestinian flags or supporting Palestinian struggle.

What about the Jewish "nakkba" from Arab lands?

مش غلط لو تعمللنا قناه باللغه العربيه ومش مطلوب منك منتاج وإخراج سنمائي بس تكلم ومش راح تخسر😅

Mr Ammous, Much less attributable to bureaucratic minutiae, than to UTI Possidetis Juris, Judea and Samaria, every single square inch of it, is by law and then by heritage, sovereign Israeli territory. To say otherwise is simply ignorant of the law by which national boundaries are historically determined by international bodies. Israeli's are not settlers in this land. They actually own it. After the massacre of 10/7, the Israeli appetite for trading yet more land for a never realized peace, is effectively gone. Another way must be found. My guess, based on decades of reactionary violence, perpetrated by Israelis onto their attackers, is that Israel will have to recind all agreements and offer a one-time peace for Arabs who own property and wish to remain. Something like this: By remaining, you agree to abide by Israeli law. You agree to this one offer of Israeli citizenship. You swear allegiance to Israel, against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You agree that, like all Israelis, you have no right to decide who lives near you and who does not. For this, you get to keep your property and raise your children as Israelis. Domestic acts of terror, committed by any Israeli, are punishable to the full extent of Israeli law. No doubt, the actual details will be different, but these basic choices are coming. What would you choose, Mr. Ammous?

Well done, Yaron. You did great refuting all the crap served up by your opponent.

Jewish settleme ts in the West Bank are 5% of the West Bank. And all the settlements are not in private palestinian land, they are in land that Israel took from Jordan, goverment land

Jordan was given to the palwstinians

Why do you ask about the lies of Pappe and then block my answer? So you know it is true that he lies all the time but you don't want anyone in the chat to read where he lies

Personally for me, Yaron was much more convincing

Using all the antisemitic tropes that you can in your debate exposes you for what you really are.

17 minutes in. South African apartheid hospitals had white doctors treating black patients, not sure about the other way around though. But I'd say that invalidates his point.

All details aside, I don't think it is possible to make an ethically acceptable case for the establishment of any ethnostate.

Good moderator. Yaron rocked it. Thanks for sharing.

Haha what are all these bots supporting Yaron? 😂 Amazing job Saif!

Does Saif even understand anything Yaron is saying? Time and time again he tells Yaron to address something he has already addressed, and misunderstands every argument.

Re-establish the Crusader States Deus Vult

Abject nonsense.

I think Safe will never get a strate answer on his strate question: "how to get back his ancestors land", from anybody he is debating with, except: " It's your fault -you where born non Jewish. So you better forget about. "

If disgust was a person

In 1948 the majority in Jerusalem was jewish. Almost 100,000 jews were all kicked out of Jerusalem by the jordanians. There were no private palestinian land , it was owned by the British Mandate. In the Neguev, the beduins were the people who lived there and they remained in Israel. Only arab palwstinians who fought against Israel were forced to leave, the others were concinced by the arab leaders and that's a fact

Thanks to Bitcoin and bitcoin, I don't care at all about other peoples lives.. Is it bad not to give a crap?.. I go about my days never giving a thought about the horrors everyone is doing to each other, anywhere. Earth is heaven, hell and purgatory all at once; it behooves all, to choose which one to live in.

Reading the comments before listening to Mr. Ammous’s argument, I really thought that his argument was weak! But I see that he refuted every one of Aron’s bit of misinformation, and provided solid proofs and arguments, which made Aron look either ignorant and confused, or straightforward lying.

Yaron’s thoughts are gold.

As an Ex-Muslim atheist, I totally agree with Yaron Brook. He correctly conveyed the mentality of the Qur'an regarding the unbelievers. Good job Yaron.

Saifedeen, at this moment a majority of my city are populated by people from Northern African countries and others. It looks like I’am walking through a Middle East City. They all are starting to claim that the city is theirs. They building their mosques and spreading over the country. They are trying to influence my children’s to choose for Islam. We even have Philistines living in my village, living in houses which where owned by native citizens. We in our country are getting more and islamofoob. So, I hear your accent sounds British. So, you bought property in Britain as well. Are you a colonizer as well. Return back and start fighting against Islamic fundamentalisme like Hamas en Islamic jihad to make your people capable of living independently without any support from the UN. My Grandfathers land is owned by Muslims as well? Do I have the right to buy back his property.

when yaron says "rights / justice to everybody " he means between the jews only ,because they already had fued (between orthodox ,westren europe and african jews , that beef still exist to this day by the way)

You got owned by Yaron brook

Safeidin, stop lying. I am a history teacher and you are lying. Just look at the palestinian last names, they are originally from Egypt, Syria, Irak and other arab countries. Let me ask you a question, why did the arab countries attacked Israel in 1948??? The ethnic cleansing was an arab movement. Regarding Pappe, he is not an historian, he misquoted Ben Gurion, he even intentionally makes mistakes in his translations. Pappe is a liar too, that's why you mention him

Yaron: "You should visit Israel sometime, and see how we respect human rights..." Saifedean: "I can't!" Yaron: "..I wish you could." Completely oblivious to the irony of his comments, the proceeds to wax-lyrical about Israeli human rights.

Palestinians agree that arab countries encouraged them to leave

I'm only 14 min in, and if Israel respects individual rights, why doesn't it just respect the rights of the Palestinians?

There is no collective "property rights" of the Palestinians, property rights apply to individuals which they each earn - there can be no "Palestinian property rights" for a regime that oppresses it's own people let alone doesn't recognize rights of its individual citizens. To say Israel & the West in general should respect property rights of Palestinians is absurd. Just how did the Palestinians earn or obtain the so-called "their property" for which they have been demanding "property rights" for 100 years? "Property rights" come from a system devised by a civilized society once established via respect for life, law & reason (enlightenment) - property & property rights cannot be demanded by barbaric means & expected via dole from or threat to those who respect & maintain it - it doesn't come about by praying to Allah. It's an hard-earned achievement costing sweat and blood once you've given up mysticism, tribalism & using brute force to obtain things and developed enough to use your mind and energy not to hate but to build, be productive, raise the standard of living for you and the society you live in. With so many examples of a more civilized society around them the Palestinians should want to join them, follow their example and not want to destroy, rape & pillage them.

I'm bracing for the Yaron cringe.

I ended up skipping over Brook's part - so tired of listening to Zionists lies.

Before the Brktish Mandate, most of the land did bot belong to the arabs, it belonged to turkish rich people who lived in Turkey and those turks sold the land to jews. Another lie: there were always jews in the land of Israel, most of them in Jerusalem and Tzfat.

Yaron disingenuously compares the government owned land in US (national parks only) with government owned land in Israel (leased to Jews only to live). Huge difference.

The American Indians. Nuf said.

Yaron's argument relies on a belief of collective ownership and guilt. The Palestinians attacked Israel therefore all their rights are forfeit.

Yawon Bwook is mowally bwoke

Actually, this is a very good representation of how Palestinians have a voice. A "debate" that consists of a zionists telling you lies and no guest to counter. Bravo on pushing nore propaganda

Oh.... Not again. I thought this channel was supposed to be about Bitcoin.

This guy knows as much of the history of this region as he can pronounce the letter “R”

I’m actually speechless listening to this Yaron guy… it’s so obnoxious and disgusting, how can you debate a person like this that has no frame of reference his argument is basically Arabs bad, Israelis good and forfeits all his principles in the process. I mean look behind him there’s a book with the title “Free Markets revolution” but at the same time his defending an ethnonational/ethnoreligious socialist state that consist of a government that owns over 90 of its land. The irony would hilarious if it wasn’t so disgusting.

lol I knew immediately as soon as Saif mentioned Ilan Pappe that Yaron would quote that quotation of Pappe but then he sites an outlandish pro Israel book “Palestine betrayed” by Efraim Karsh who literally believes and quotes in this book the need for ethnoreligous purity in Israel. So I guess because Yaron quotes him he doesn’t have a bias. It’s so ridiculous!

I really do believe that Saifedeen’s angle that he comes at this discussion is the most powerful and revealing way to go about it. It’s really irrefutable and requires the opposition to make out landing justifications that goes completely against the fundamental principles they stand for.

"I do not believe in the TRANSFER of an individual. I believe in the TRANSFER of entire villages." Arthur Ruppin

"Land is the most necessary thing for establishing roots in Palestine. Since there are hardly any more arable unsettled lands. . . . we are bound in each case. . . to remove the peasants who cultivate the land." Arthur Ruppin

“Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during our two thousand years of suffering and deserve all that will come to us.” Albert Einstein

"The antisemites will become our most loyal friends, the antisemite nations will become our allies." Theodore Herzl

"Land is the most necessary thing for establishing roots in Palestine. Since there are hardly any more arable unsettled lands. . . . we are bound in each case. . . to remove the peasants who cultivate the land." Arthur Ruppin

"Land is the most necessary thing for establishing roots in Palestine. Since there are hardly any more arable unsettled lands. . . . we are bound in each case. . . to remove the peasants who cultivate the land." Arthur Ruppin