stupid question, but if Generac states in there install manual to use separate conduit for load and start leads, how is the Generac Control Cable or Generac Tray Cable ok to use in the same 1-1/4 PVC?

@@lvggeneratorservicellc7683 each conductor comes with better insulation and all are bundled in a thick insulation, I think that's why is ok to run it in the same conduit.

@@lvggeneratorservicellc7683 First, the inspectors in our area require Generac Tray Cable, he use to install generators. Generac Tray Cable is manufactured by Southwire, and certified for Generac Generator installations. Purchased from Generac or Cable Master only, all conductors are rated at 600 volts with no miscommunication with the control wires, that could happen with inferior cable. All I use is copper, no aluminum alloy here, it cost more than running regular wire, well worth the expense and trouble. I usually bring my 1,000 foot roll out to a job site on a reel stand, and use a cable puller to finish the job.

All the Generac control cable is number 14 THHN that is all it is

I think he need to route all electrode grounding conductors to the transfer switch and not connect back to his old main panel like he did.

I am a 30-year Generac dealer I am one of the oldest dealers in the country it is against the law for you to deal with the wiring you must hire an electrician An E-1 licensed electricians many people have installed their own generators themselves and have had problems with wiring where they have had fires and burn their houses down your insurance will not cover your house if it was not a permit pulled you cannot pull a permit for electrical or gas you must have a license person to do that please be careful with that and do it the right way I have seen many houses burn down from that I do insurance adjusting for insurance companies for generators and I do much work for Generac I have been all over the country as far as finding out why issues after popped up and usually it is the installers fault

@@jamesbriley1655 thanks for the comments, I was planning on hiring it out as mentioned. Still on the waiting list.

@@jamesbriley1655 that very much depends on where you live, here in NJ plumbing and electric permits have an exception for "homeowners performing their own work in a Single Family Detached Dwelling; this does not apply to condominiums, townhouses, duplexes or any multi-family building."

As a fellow electrician do you think you could have completed this install in 12 hours? Properly, to code. Professional looking install? Just curious there is a post claiming so on here.

How long you been an electrician because he has no grounding conductor from the transfer switch to the sub panel.

@@DD-di1xc Correct. The grounding is incorrect. There needs to be a grounding conductor from the service panel ground bar to the two new grounding bars on the sub panel..

Thanks for the informative video. You gave me the confidence to complete my own install.

Good for you! Thank you!

Way over priced.

Overpriced in Texas normal in Jersey..

We got quotes today from generac and kohler here just outside Fort Worth. The generators themselves from either company is about $5K. $6900 for labor for generac, and the install can't get easier than how our stuff is located/situated. Kohler came in better with essentially only about $3000 for labor cost. Add on that we gotta get a propane tank, put propane in it, dig a trench and under the driveway to feed the generator for even more thousands fo $, and ouch.

You will love it! Thank You!

Thank you for sharing those awesome details, you are spot on!!!!!!

I don’t use the ATS to control air conditioning anymore. It works well, just trying to run low voltage control wire takes a lot of time and expense. Last install on a 24Kw Air Cooled unit had 3-A/C Units. I use Sure Starts sold by Generac. We tested them, and use them at every multiple A/C units, and some high LRA singles. Very, very expensive, but it will start 3-A/C units simultaneously. We back our work 100%, so everything has to work correctly, every time. We mostly do high end installs, money isn’t a problem with our clients.

Wow thats good info. I actually need help with some questions similar exact thing.

Im sure concern about pad height and gas capacity but not much about load. I would think this generator will satisfy the load with the mindfulness of homeowner when emergency power switch on. Worst case scenario some breaker will shut off. Oh by the way what you paid for your installation if i can ask.

@@hangngoaigiare In 2019 I paid about $11,000 for both a 22 kWatt generator, a whole house transfer switch, a service upgrade to 200 Amps, and some extras - so I can't say how much the generator itself was. I could have saved $1000 or so by going with a smaller generator, but it didn't seem to be worth it as the generator was only part of the cost of the project. Plus, during an outage I can run some extension cords to my neighbors and keep them in their homes instead of mine. 🙂 My generator does have a 100 Amp breaker under the top cover, but I was told that it wasn't wise to rely on that to avoid overloads. The 22 kWatt capacity is what you get when you hook up propane, for natural gas the capacity is only 19.5 kWatt. Apparently if the generator senses that it is overloaded it can shut down with an error code. I was told that if that happens that it might require a service call to reset, but I didn't research that to confirm. If all it would do would be to trip the breaker then that would still be bad for me. My house is over a spring and I have sump pumps that run somewhat often at times of the year. I wouldn't want to be away from home and have that breaker trip. Additionally, part of my project that was done a few months earlier was to run a 100 Amp circuit out to my parking area to prepare for EV charging. That could have overloaded the generator, so I installed a combo meter/breaker panel before the generator transfer switch to have that circuit not be backed up by the generator. Everyone's scenario is different, so it is good to review everything with the installer to decide what you may or may not need.

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So far, power has went out twice for an extended period, it is so nice not have to worry about hooking up portable generators, we love it! It powers my 220 well, air conditioner and everything in the house, I just wish we wouldn't lose the internet. 😋.....definitely highly recommend it!

James Foster LS3 TA if you live in an area where Verizon is good get you a visible line and run off that during power outage. That’s what I do. Run 100% as usual.

Interesting, we have Verizon, I will look into that, thanks Dan!

3 Years later, still love it!

Cool, It is tied to (2) 8 foot ground rods outside In series, the inspector told me I needed to ground to the water line too. :), thanks for the comment.

@@JamesF406 you have it correct. Do you have a ground rod or two at the pole barn,?

@@beckyschwantes5287 I have one ground rod at the polebarn.

@@JamesF406 which is fine correct? In Indiana we can do one but we have to prove that the resistance is in spec so a lot of folks just sink 2 and forget about it?

Also, why did you put the xfer switch on the inside? Would have been a lot easier next to the meter base.

I just wanted it to stay nice, most do put it outside.

Could have just used gen wire too

Have to bond at the Transfer Switch and Take off the bond at the Main panel..

I've found that some people hit the thumbs down by accident and never go back to correct it. On average, since 2007 when I first became a creator, you'll nearly always get on average 10% of total thumbs as thumbs down, no matter how good the video. Question for you, why did you choose to manually mix the concrete rather than rent a mixer? Excellent video!

@@christschool Not sure, figured I could whip it out and I needed the exercise, mixer would of been the way to go!

@Bob Smithereens thanks for the feedback, too much work to make a step by step, it would be 40 hours long :)

Bob Smithereens there’s more detailed videos out there. If you don’t know the how’s going into the project please hire a professional electrician.

@@andrewdarbyshire9108 not sure of your referring that to me, but I have seen several installs and hell no would I want them to install mine 😁, I am pretty happy how it all turned out, well worth the challenge....Plus I work for a major electrical firm and had all the support I needed,😉, Happy Labor Day!

Mine does have 6 connections, 1- T1 Battery Charge 2- N1 utility sense 3- N2 utility sense 4- O DC ground 5- 12 VDC 6- Transfer

I'll take a look, they agree with the Generac installation distances, they are spelled out nicely in the install manual.

It is best to not put a generator under a window when I have seen bad weather generators run a long time I have seen where people have died from carbon monoxide because of generators were under the windows they cannot legally be under the windows they must be at least 6 feet to the left or right of the window

Sorry I didn't answer this, hopefully you figured out the anchors. And I ran new wire.

Never mind. I saw you did. I only watched hay of the video. My bad. Good job.

if I told you I would have to ^%&^%& you....:)

Used existing 2 ground rods, added separate ground to water line and removed bonding screw from house 200 amp service panel, the bond changed over to the transfer switch.

Yes sir, Thank you!!!!

My electrician friend and I pulled the meter and extended them, no other choice.

I am one of the oldest Generac dealers in the country you do not need to extend that utility legs when you run the power source to a transfer switch outside with a built-in shut off you are extending it as you put the wire from the bottom of the meter to the transfer switch that is the only extension you have to do it is very simple you just have to be careful not to touch the poles where you are working on it

I have no idea but sounds like a very good idea to me, it will help keep a lot of the moisture away from the generator and generator base. I would do it.

Yes, that would correct. Page 24 in the Transfer Switch manual

@@JamesF406 thank you, battery charger now working

I am one of the oldest Generac dealers in the country I helped start the company you can go to Home Depot get number 14 controller thh wire

@@jamesbriley1655 oh, you're using 14ga? An electric supply place has tray cable (the control wire/phase wires bundled together). I think I'm gonna use that. Thanks for the response. Good install. Your video helped me.

🤣, I shut off the main when I separated all the grounds, and yes, that's a good idea, I am kind of surprised they didnt have a dedicated path for those wires.

Yea? Bs. I’m guessing it’s all above ground piping and conduit , with splices and butt connectors.

Amen on that!!!!!!!

@@JamesF406 Everything is fine, the only thing I don't like is the noise that the generator makes. that will aggravate my neighbors if I put one in my house with the noise it makes

@@oscarlizama7495 go without power then

Hi, good for you, I used copper but they should be able to help you, I just looked it up online in my NEC book but google is awesome.

I also used 16 gauge wire.

@@JamesF406 Thanks, got the wire with the controls cable together fm our local electric store, genset wire for 22kw. Again, thanks for the video, it rocks. Best wishes & stay safe.

@@generalbucks8346 awesome!!! Good deal and thank you!!!

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I ended up pulling off the house meter and replacing all the wiring with new longer wire.

Would the power company know if you pull your meter off to say, replace your breaker panel, then put it back on?

Thank you! Legally no, I have a 30 year Industrial Maintenance Background with a Electronics degree but work with several Journeyman Electricians who answered and helped me along the way, I also looked up the codes to make sure I wouldn't have any issues, I should of moved it out another 6-12 inches from the meter, right now it is exactly 36". Thanks for the nice comments.

Yes sir, ran for 24 hours perfectly, it does use a tad bit of oil but it is brand new, rings are probably still seating in. I love you.

Not sure how much natural gas it uses.

Yes, I can help, give me a few, how about sending me a text tomorrow and I can send you pics and wire sizes. 616-401-2591 James

@@JamesF406 can you send me that same information through text 404-992-3084 I'm a little confused with the wire size some say 4/0 or number 4 awg size. Thanks

Do you have the manual, that is what I used.

@@lebowenman1 yes

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That's what I come up with on my calculator with a 1% voltage drop for using copper.(#4 AWG) I might go a size bigger for going that distance. I used #3 because my buddy had extra, it's used for industrial 100 amps.

And you are correct about the drip leg for the gas line, lt is inside the generator already installed by the factory:)

@@JamesF406 Sorry, I just looked at some of the video again and didn't realized you said it's internal. Great Video!!

No splices, ran new wire.

James Foster LS3 TA what is the wire size you used from load side of transfer switch to service

By Trade no, but I am in Automation Controls and work for a major Electrician company. Thank you for the kind words.

Pretty much use a load calculator, add up all the important appliances and see what the total wattage is. Please subscribe

I'll ask my electrcian friend, he does it on the side.

Talked with my friend, if you are serious we can stop over and have a look and talk about it.

Thank you, I thought it had a built in one with a heated pad the battery sits on. I'll have to check

@@JamesF406 yes there is a charger built in for larger www.generac.com/generaccorporate/media/library/content/all-products/generators/home-generators/guardian-series/16kw-7036/20-and-22kw-spec-sheet-generac-new_2.pdf

They are PVC couplers, most home depots or lowes has them.

@@JamesF406 Thanks...just used some good old brain power and figured out the solution. The question I asked is one of the most widely asked.

Thank you, yes I did have to extend the gas line, most would of done it outside, I did it in the basement, it was a cleaner install for me.

Works very well and from the inside it's a lot better......my portable generator was really really loud😛

@@JamesF406 Do you know how many decibels?

@@TractorWrangler01 they say its 67 decibels, not really sure if that's true or not.

@@JamesF406 Thats really not that bad. Im not sure why it came across so loud on the video. I was judging it at about 75-80 decibels. It might be because its in a corner like that. Mine is 65 decibels and my wife says its too loud. So I am in search of one thats like 55 but I cant find one.

Negative, Sorry to hear that. I have not.

Thank you, not sure about that either.

Just letting him know he’s number 1

No but I would like to add a lean too at some point....however its been fine so far......Please subscribe

Good question, you have to use load sheading relays or just make sure to not run everything if you have high amp appliances, I have a 220 well, polebarn and basic gas appliances, it's runs everything.

😁, no mess but did put in several piece of rebar.

Correct, it all had to ran new starting from the meter.

@@JamesF406 Ah, I got it. Replace the wires from the meter output to the transfer switch. I should have figured that out. Thank you!!

I know right, yeah the generator can only supply 100 amps therefore it can't run the entire house but for most homes you aren't really running 200 continuously and they do have load shading relays to install for the heavy appliances, so far I have not seen any issues with mine, I'll also have to go back and look at the video for the grounding, I'll let you know. Thanks for the great question.

I was thinking the same thing. That ground was right beside the neutral. Great catch!

I just realized what you were seeing, had to go watch it again, tjat ground was relocated and I didn't get in the updated video, As Derek said, Great Catch, paying attention to details!!!

@@JamesF406 yes sir! Good job man! Really good

So, a long time ago I was told never use galvanized pipe on gas lines, over time galvanize could flake off and cause problems with regulators, also you not supposed to mix black piping and galvanized piping as where they meet corrosion will be accelerated, so just to be safe I used black pipe and painted it and will make sure it doesn't rust. Great question!

Need some major load shedding relays 😁

Your probably right but it seems happy. 😛

Kinda acts likes a cushion as the ground is so hard, normally you would use sand under concrete, probably didnt really matter for something so small like this pad was, I also added a small piece of rebar just to help with eliminating cracking. Good question👍

During the winter in the north when the ground freezes water accumulated under the concrete tends to heave and move the pad. After a few years the whole thing would be crooked. Crushed stone helps keep the water away.

looks like about 4 or 5 #12's going through a 3/4" conduit?

Yes, sorry just seen this

I work for a electrical firm, I'll see if I can find a part #

@@JamesF406 that would be awesome, thank you!

​@@frangeechhe forgot to check... 3 years ago. 😂

@@joeenzorYUUUP! Thankfully I’m still not waiting. LoL

Yes, there are code measurements listing in the installation manual and mine does meet those requirements....barely

I forget those measurements but will report them to you, stay tuned.

Thank you for the feedback!

Exactly this installation is illegal he’s an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s doing

The conduit also has to be buried 18 inches deep the sky is a hack somebody call code enforcement please

And the exhaust Has to be 12 feet away from the window

The meter pan is not a disconnect

Agreed with you, this dude used LBs inside. I'm still wondering how he got the meter pulled and replaced without an inspection. In Georgia, the power company will not replace the meter without a inspection

Christian Ingram - in my area, the inspection is performed by a third party electrical underwriter that you (or your electrician) hire yourself; the underwriter inspects and sends the electric utility company that it passed.

The only issue with a portable is when you start having them run for a long. Of time they start breaking down and they are very hard to repair and get back to normal once they start breaking down they keep breaking down I agree. Many many Portables because they are not good enough to handle the load I do not recommend a portable for the whole house

Installing a stand by generator can add up to 5% equity to your house. It’s an investment that pays for itself. Portable generators don’t do that

I took my time, it took several weeks to complete the install

😥, so sorry to hear that, mine has been running great. Must of been a fluke, hopefully they replace it hassel free. You will be happy once it online. Generac sells a ton of them with very little failures, but it does happen.

@James Foster LS3 TA installer said has seen several this year.

@@chada472 that sucks, must have something to do with the parts shortage, building them faster is not always the best.

It's all about bonding, the bonding needs to occur in the primary disconnect electrical enclosure and that was the main one until I added the generator disconnect, once that happened the bonding (combining the ground and the neutral) now happens in the generator panel therefore by Michigan code you have to separate them from what was the main circuit breaker box, also if you any other breaker box's IE polebarn, they also need to be separate. If you need more information I can dig up the code out of the electrical book. Hope's this help. James.

@@JamesF406 you wont pass an electrical inspection if they aren't separated with the grounds bonded to the can.

Mine was not grounded to rods. Said it was not needed. Passed inspection. The installer and inspector talked about it.

That is a code requirement for subpanels; adding that main panel then made the existing panel a subpanel.

My best guess would be 8K up to 10K for a turnkey solution. I had roughly 6k Material and lots of labor hours 😁

@@JamesF406 Thanks. I have someone from generac telling me $10,000 to $20,000. This seems kinda high.

Yes sir, I used the measurements in your manual for those requirements, so far everything is within tolerance and I love this generator! Thank you for commenting!

The fuckin' pad does NOT need to be 10 fuckin' feet from any house opening.

@@243wayne1 Wayne, why are you so angry? You are right the pad can be whatever from an opening. 100s of people die every year from carbon monoxide poisoning. Virtually all were unaware of the danger. I was just pointing out that keep the generator 10 ft from any opening to prevent any possibility of poisoning. Being a dealer or not is irrelevant.

36" working clearance would be required in front of disconnecting equipment....a meter enclosure isn't a means of disconnect so he's good. Now if it was a switch on that enclosure then the 3' rule applies. Also, I went through the Generac training earlier this yr....I thought the clearance from openings was 5'...did that change...I'm brushing up on my knowledge, have my first install approaching.

In New York in my town gen must 20' from window & house & propane must 10' from ignition source

Honestly, I don't have a clue, its only ran twice totaling 2 days so not really sure, but it was nice to have power, your going to love it..😋👍

I had to pay about 125 dollars for about three days....I have a 22kw gen

@@ibezag0 thanks for answering the question. They're alot better than the older units. My uncle had a 16kw, he would pay a $100 a day, 10 years ago.

Yes sir, so far so good.

3 years later, still no cons, love it!

Sorry, I have no idea but the Generac folks are awesome to work with, they answered a lot of my questions.