250 vs 300 2 Stroke | Why I Chose the 250!

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250 or 300 2 stroke dirt bike? In this video I share my experience and why I ultimately ended up purchasing a KTM 250 XC-W TPI instead of the KTM 300 XC-W TPI.
The 300 has a higher displacement and provides more low end power and torque, while the 250 is a faster revving engine. 300s do a great job at a low RPM and will likely stall less - perfect for riders who are lazy and don't like shifting :)
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Why I chose the 250:
Short answer: it was available.
Longer answer: I personally prefer the more lively engine for my style of riding. The 250 can be opened up with more control, especially as a less experienced rider. It still lugs incredibly well and can honestly do anything the 300 can.
You can't go wrong with either choice! The progression of modern 2 strokes has come a long way over the past several years.
One final note I forgot to mention in my video. KTM actually sells a conversion kit for the 250 to 300.
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If you have any questions, post them below in the comments and I 'll do my best to answer them.
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@ShiftGearsMoto Жыл бұрын

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@Norcal2stroke 3 жыл бұрын

Great info! Thanks for the video.

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! Cheers

@josephstearns4895 Жыл бұрын

Just went to Marrionville for the first time on my Beta 300 a few weeks ago and loved it. I will definitely be going back.

@ShiftGearsMoto Жыл бұрын

How were the trail conditions?

@lennypoage5802 2 жыл бұрын

really liked the commentary over the videos of people just riding with zero input, well done, thank you

@ShiftGearsMoto 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback. Appreciate you watching!

@snackinwithsammy8047 3 жыл бұрын

cool trail shots!

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it

@painsrides3616 2 жыл бұрын

I'm 240lbs and ride a 2T Husky 250.. No complaints about power or lug-ability here

@samuelseidl2502 3 жыл бұрын

great footage!

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Allegheny National Forest is incredible.

@dynamotightstar3472 2 жыл бұрын

Cracking review mate with good clear reasoning. I ride pretty much how you ride on lanes. I was slightly worried by problem saying the 250 is more for just fast paced riding but you hit the woods there without any real issue. 👊

@ShiftGearsMoto 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks glad you found it helpful. I still love my 250 and have done a ton of upgrades to it. Check out some of my other videos on the ECU and cylinder head!

@dynamotightstar3472 2 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto I certainly will do man.

@bryden_smith 3 жыл бұрын

Awsome vid here are my thoughts or 250 vs 300 carbureted bikes the 300 lugs more and has a the closest thing to a 4 stroke power that u can get the 250 lugs but has the snappy aspect of a race bike to it so if u wanna be on the pipe a 250 is better if u wanna see more about 250xc then I highly recommend watching a Riemanns on the pipe vid keep in minde these are not tpi bike I’m talking about

@SouthWestBristol 2 жыл бұрын

Great video bud 👏🏽😎 Keep up the good work 💪🏽

@jamez_gamez 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sick mate!

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🤙

@jackaofdp Жыл бұрын

I've driven dirt bikes for a long time, but I've tried a TPI bike or an injection 4 stoke. Never felt attracted to 4stokes and I'm currently looking forward to buy a new bike. I'm mostly an enduro rider, from the reviews and by watching other people ride, it is perceptible that the "struggle" to ride one of these new bikes has diminished. But never had such a good explanation as you did at 2:05, I really enjoy "when the demon goes" (power valve opens) and we go blasting.

@ShiftGearsMoto Жыл бұрын

Glad you found the video helpful! I'd suggest trying to find a KTM demo day and test ride one if you're having any reservations about it. TBI is coming this year as well.

@seethersam548 3 жыл бұрын

I wanna try this one day so nice 🔥

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Go for it!

@poppinsmoke6177 3 жыл бұрын

Looks so fun I miss riding

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Get back out there.

@PurpleHippoCinema 3 жыл бұрын

Cool video and great footage! I'm assuming you were using a gopro?

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, GoPro Hero 8 Black.

@justinmackey24 3 жыл бұрын

Favorite moment was at 4:26 when you adjusted your trail permit. That's an important adjustment to make.

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Just making sure I wasn't exceeding the speed limit 👍

@mathiasjayson676 3 жыл бұрын

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@joeleugene4406 3 жыл бұрын

@Mathias Jayson Ehh try flixportal. Just google for it :) -joel

@mathiasjayson676 3 жыл бұрын

@Joel Eugene thank you, I went there and it seems to work =) I appreciate it!

@joeleugene4406 3 жыл бұрын

@Mathias Jayson No problem =)

@Gnome_Ramone 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice!

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🤙

@filmsnob850 3 жыл бұрын

Very cool!

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.

@MiissSomeone 2 жыл бұрын

Hey great video! I’m currently riding a ktm excf 250 ‘18 and I love it it’s my first bike ever. Now I’d like to jump in the 2 stroke world because I’d like to do more enduro rides. My concern is that I have never rode a 2 stroke before so I thought buying something small to learn on it (like a 125 for example) but I was told it wouldn’t be the best for enduro. The 250 or 300 were suggested but I feel it’s gonna be « too much » for me. I’m confused!! I guess I can learn well on a 250 it’s just maybe be more careful? Do you have a suggestion for a beginner on 2 stroke who wants to do more enduro stuff? 🤣 thanks btw!

@ShiftGearsMoto 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 2 strokes are awesome, but do come with a slight learning curve. My advice is to go straight to a 250. A 125 is the same size bike, but you have to run it a lot harder since they don't have a lot of low end grunt. You can lug a 250 or a 300 so much easier. Modern 250 and 300s (especially TPI bikes) have a fairly linear power curve, similar to a 4 stroke. They will snap with the right adjustments, but you can modify so many different parts (ECU, cylinder head, power valve, etc.). Keep it simple and if you're comfortable on a 250 4 stroke, you'll be fine a 250 2 stroke. Thanks for watching and I hope this helps! Cheers.

@MiissSomeone 2 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto It does help a lot! I just gotta believe in me, I know deep inside me I can ride a 250 2 strokes 😁 Thanks! 😀

@vincevo1520 3 жыл бұрын

lovin this also!

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud.

@IRQ1Conflict 2 жыл бұрын

Just buy a 250 and if you feel you need a 300 when you rebuild the top end simply put a big bore kit in it. Call it a day.

@DonGH97 Жыл бұрын

Logical smart move👍🏻

@simongilbert2704 Жыл бұрын

sounds bang on ,,,, i am even looking at the 150 ;; = so the 250 will keep with the 300 , 350 , four strokes = its up to the rider ,;;

@moonzy11 3 жыл бұрын

Good review. I was there a year ago and went w a 250xc tpi over a 300. Glad I did. More nimble and fun bike to work on and off the pipe. Easier on a weekend warrior. I think the heavier feeling of the 300 is under emphasized. To me it felt appreciably heavier at the motor than the 250 and my buddy who I swapped w (300 xc-w) agreed. But the 300 does lug you through anything so the technical terrain consideration is real. Rider style and preference. Both awesome bikes.

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty good summary and on par with my thoughts. I've been on my 250 for a year now and thinking about making a follow up video to this one.

@moonzy11 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto Just throwin it out there bud...I just ordered an RK Tek head for my 250...trying to keep the nimbleness of the 250 but add some low end grunt like the 300...let you know how it goes.

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

@@moonzy11 you're going to love it. It instantly changed my bike. Do a compression test before and after the install and you'll see why.

@SketchyXC 2 жыл бұрын

I just picked up a 2022 250xc and man im hard pressed to find anything negative with it so far. I just wish my skill level was high enough to really open up the bikes potential 🤘

@moonzy11 2 жыл бұрын

@@SketchyXC Congrats !!

@mt1885 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome new KTM!!!

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🤙

@lilzionking9399 3 жыл бұрын

I love the video

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

thanks!

@rossdownie7959 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Guys I’m looking to get into off-road riding. I rode an old KX250 8 years ago but only for about a month. So I have ridden a bike before but no real experience. Do you think a 250xc-w tpi with a rekluse would be a good bike for me to start on? Its that or a 350 I’m considering. But I just love the idea of a 2stroke they sound like they could be way more fun especially with the new tpi technology.

@ShiftGearsMoto 2 жыл бұрын

Depends on your type of riding. The XC-W is the "enduro" or "hard enduro" build with a wide ratio transmission. If you ride more open trails like hare scrambles and GNCCs, you might want to look into a XC. I personally love my XC-W for the type of riding I do (check out my other videos), but you can't go wrong with either. I would personally recommend a 2 stroke (minus the rekluse!).

@rossdownie7959 2 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto why minus the rekluse? I’ve heard such good things about it on other videos. I’m definitely going to start with the enduro model 4stroke or 2stroke. Just wandering if a 250T will be too much for a newbie

@ShiftGearsMoto 2 жыл бұрын

@@rossdownie7959 TPI bikes have a pretty linear powerband and you can always adjust the power valve to your liking. I'd say the 2T is a great choice. Regarding the Rekluse, why do you want an autoclutch? Not my thing, but to each their own.

@rossdownie7959 2 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto ok just saw a video on what a rekluse auto clutch really does. That takes the fun and necessary skill out of riding and it seems like you cant dump the clutch? What fun is that lol.

@ShiftGearsMoto 2 жыл бұрын

It's actually more of anti stall device, but still...

@TheDus224 3 жыл бұрын

How do you like the transmission with the low 1st gear?

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

It's good for getting out of trouble. Mainly ride in 2nd or 3rd though.

@skateclips640 3 жыл бұрын

Your bike is awesome where did you get it from?

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I bought it from a local KTM dealer.

@mt1885 3 жыл бұрын

Did you put the FAN kit on your bike yet?

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

yes I put the KTM one on a few weeks ago. It works great.

@daveyboy7305 3 жыл бұрын

I own a 200 exc and I love it , surprisingly good low end on it too . Would imagine a 250 tpi would suit me , perhaps more of a fun feel over the 300

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised KTM stopped making the 200. I know the 300s are awesome, but I'm really enjoying that exact feel on my 250.

@PHXGlock 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah fair statement, I kinda like the Sound of the 250 more but that's just me.

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

I just like being able to rev it out more. I'm not a great rider either, but I think the 250 is helping me improve.

@PHXGlock 3 жыл бұрын

I also notice a pattern, Every person who ever owned a KTM 200 absolutely loves that bike.

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

The 250 or 300?

@PHXGlock 3 жыл бұрын

I chose the 250xc myself. 250 or 300? Really splitting hairs. They are pretty much the same bike. 250 hard to stall as well and a bit revier. Is it a better bike for a beginner than a 300? Ehhh I think they are simular , 250 a bit snappier, 300 better lugger. Not a night or day difference either way.

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

You're definitely right. Glad you're enjoying the 250 as well.

@jonathontsoukalas Жыл бұрын

i am new to 2 strokes do you think a 250 or the 300 tpi will be better for me

@ShiftGearsMoto Жыл бұрын

depends on what you ride and your riding style.

@jonathontsoukalas Жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto kinda like open fields and fire-trails sometimes some enduro and i'm coming off a 250 4 stroke so i'm still trying to deciding

@justaguysurfingby9600 3 жыл бұрын

amazing. enjoyed watching

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🤙

@rbjoseph25 5 ай бұрын

Are you still happy with the tpi choice? I see a lot of bad reviews about tpi.

@ShiftGearsMoto 5 ай бұрын

Very happy. The bad reviews are the loud minority.

@randypullman1155 3 жыл бұрын

Question, you have to replace the sprocket and there's only two choices up4 or down4. Which do you chose?

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

For the type of riding I generally do, I guess smaller. That would be a pretty drastic change.

@steftoha8780 3 жыл бұрын

Good vlog..... keep it up... I wait for your return response.

@Briank-ef5iq Жыл бұрын

I been riding a 2015 250xc for 4 years an just picked up a 2022 ktm 250xc an absolutely love it ! Im keeping the 2015 still love that bike , I agree 250 is the most versatile bike out there ride woods slow fast Moto anywhere!

@ShiftGearsMoto Жыл бұрын

From a carb to a TPI. Let me know what you think. 250 gang 🤙

@Briank-ef5iq Жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto only got 17 hours on TPI bike but so far I love it deff a different feel , I’m getting more an more used to it , but how smooth the bike is , is incredible!

@ShiftGearsMoto Жыл бұрын

Nice! Get a new head, ECU map, and adjust the power valve and you'll love it even more!

@Briank-ef5iq Жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto I’m just gona dial in suspension an play with power valve for now ! Not sure if it’s worth the money for ECU

@frontier4962 Ай бұрын

Hey! If you don't mind telling me why did you choose the xc over the xcw? Asking because rn I have the option to buy either an xc or an xcw (both 2022 bikes) and I'm kinda leaning towards the xc because of the linkage and a more narrow transmission. I mostly do woods riding ( nothing serious like racing or anything) but would also like to do some single track. Thanks!

@nathanielwenrich739 3 жыл бұрын

When did you get the bike

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

End of June 2020.

@nicholaswatt9850 3 ай бұрын

Both great bikes, it purely comes down to rider capability, you can be a fast rider on 125cc and a slow rider on a 250cc. Ktm 300 and the 250 two stroke are both very capable bikes, it all comes down to how capable of a rider you are, ive ridden a lot of bikes but you can only ride as fast and technical as your abilities allow, the longer you do anything the better you get at it and you can definitely start out on any bike, but obviously starting out on a smaller bike will help to build your confidence instead of getting on something that scares you, but that being said you dont have to ride a bike to the bikes potential you can ride a fast bike slow but inmo it just takes longer to learn when you get on something with a substantial amount of power, just dont be an idiot and ride to your limit until you gain confidence to push yourself and the bike even more. Stay safe peeps 🙏 also dont buy 4 strokes as they're extremely boring 😂 and dont make a good braaaap sound

@LFAceBoogie 3 жыл бұрын

fireeeee

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@albundy6804 2 жыл бұрын

Ouch!!

@fawnacorn8379 3 жыл бұрын

Where is this I wanna ride there!?

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Marienville Allegheny National Forest

@fawnacorn8379 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto thanks

@Enduro262 3 жыл бұрын

Got to love a 250 best bike going atm. Tpi tpi tpi

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Just put a new RK Tek Head on mine and it's a game changer. Runs like a 280.

@Enduro262 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto sweet as it’s on my shopping list lol.

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

@@Enduro262 You'll love it. What year is your bike?

@Enduro262 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto 2020 I had an 18 b4 😎

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

@@Enduro262 nice. Same year as mine. Definitely do it. I'll be releasing a review on my mine in the near future.

@PTiceman 3 жыл бұрын

Like # 25 👌🏻

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Big thanks

@jackieenx7085 3 жыл бұрын

If you put the two stroke performance medium comp head on it, you will lug like a 300 without losing what you love about 250... Awesome upgrade

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

I've installed the RK TEK head and love it. That was after making this video though.

@jackieenx7085 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto the change is unbelievable as you know.. my 250 pulls like a 300 and yet it still has all the fun that a 250 has

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. I noticed the difference before I was even out of the parking lot!

@dunxy 2 жыл бұрын

But then what happens if you upgrade the head on a 300, does it advantages grow further? If you start throwing upgrades into equation its hardly fair to compare an upgraded bike to a stock one.

@jackieenx7085 2 жыл бұрын

@@dunxy the 250 and 300 are completely different bikes.. one is not a smaller version of the other.. I have a 300 and I have a 250... Straight up the 250 is more challenging gazelle style ride.. when I'm riding my 300 I feel like there's just nothing that I can't climb or handle.. to be honest I think some of that is actually in the suspension because my 300 has KYB and my 250 has WP and even my reworked WP cannot hold a candle to KYB...

@Eric_412 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve just picked up a 2019, 300 TPI with a crazy amount of spares with 20hrs on it for $10,000 , here in Australia they are going for around $12,000. The reason the previous owner sold it was , in his words, “way too much power” ..hmmmm, obviously he didn’t do his research before buying it. To me, the whole 250. - 300 debate is futile as it comes down to Skill level What it’s used for I got the 300 as I want to do veterans moto X as well as some teams enduros and a Teams desert race Anyway, I got a bargain and rode it for the 1st time last weekend and all I can say is “ what a great bike” , I rode the wheels off it, mostly on a moto x track with lap times easily matching the 450’s which isn’t bad considering I’m 61yrs old.. Power and ridability is spot on

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

Sweet bike! Sounds like you got a good deal in your country as well. The point of my video was to explain why I got the 250 and not the 300, not to say which is better. Enjoy the bike and thanks for watching the video.

@Eric_412 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto it was a really good video and i agreed with everything you said.. i liked your reasoning for buying the 250, there are guys at the track on 450’s that are in way too deep in the power aspects keep the Vids flowing as you did a spot on job.

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

@@Eric_412 Great to hear. I'm just your average weekend warrior and clearly not a very skilled rider. Plenty of new videos and content on the way! Please drop a sub if you haven't already :)

@Eric_412 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftGearsMoto already done man, i hope your channel grows bud as it’ ticks a lot of boxes with the content 👍😁

@ShiftGearsMoto 3 жыл бұрын

@@Eric_412 appreciate the positive feedback. Cheers