283 Car Union Pacific Coal Train at the Colorado Model Railroad Museum

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CMRM Extreme Trains November 2018
Watch a 283 car Union Pacific coal train climb the 2.5 percent grade to the Quartz Mountain summit. Powered by 11 locomotives -- two on the head end, with five more sets distributed through the train. The train is three scale miles long (200 actual feet) and weighs 30,000 prototype tons. Engineers Luke Brendsel and Scott Warren keep their train together as it crests the summit and descends to Lakeview. The total run length is over 20 scale miles (1350 actual feet).
To get a better idea of the route followed you can watch an animated track plan of the layout showing an eastbound run over the Quartz Mountain summit at:
• The Big Cab Ride (East...
Find out more about the Colorado Model Railroad Museum at:
www.cmrm.org/

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@doug383 5 жыл бұрын

perfect track,good running locos, and fine tuning of all those coal cars great work guys !!!!!

@jalbhagwagar3353 5 жыл бұрын

You guys are too good. Your operations are so smooth. Just like the real deal. And the video quality is awesome. Top class all the way 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼 Thank you for the treat🙏🏼

@karenhumes1513 2 жыл бұрын

You need one hell of a layout for a 283 car train & this sure fills the bill! Simply AMAZING!!! Greg

@MrOmega52 5 жыл бұрын

This railroad is an absolute masterpiece of model railroading art. Great video graph as well.

@CintiRailFan 5 жыл бұрын

This is really impressive! How could anyone possibly give it a thumbs down?!

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you CintiRailFan. I appreciate the sentiment. But no matter what sort of video you post, if there are a lot of views, there will always be someone who doesn't like it. At the moment there are 271 thumbs up vs 10 down. If the numbers were reversed, I might start to wonder what we did wrong. As it is, it's OK.

@jalbhagwagar3353 3 жыл бұрын

simply jealous of this stunning feat.

@Drachenhannes 2 жыл бұрын

@@billr991 The people who gave thumbs down probably had to wait for a train like that to pass on a railroad crossing.

@helviopd 5 жыл бұрын

Impressive!, not only the train with 283 cars plus 11 locomotives (to coordinate the speed), you had a lot of work and design and built this wonderful layout. Congratulations!!!! ...

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Helvio. The layout was designed and built by Dave Trussell and a large group of dedicated volunteers. Learn more about the origin and history of the Colorado Model Railroad Museum at: www.cmrm.org/history/ and www.cmrm.org/about/

@helviopd 5 жыл бұрын

@@billr991 Tank you for the information. I'll see it. Regards.

@tommachut7167 5 жыл бұрын

Totally Amazing ! So many things must be perfect to do something like this , And they were. Great job.

@williamschlenger1518 5 жыл бұрын

Great looking layout& beautiful scenery 😊

@Bruno.Trains 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, that was beautiful to watch.awesome scenery.

@miniaturefarmer464 9 ай бұрын

Incredible! Something CSX would have tried in real life under Hunter Harrison. LOL!

@TouchoftheBrushModelWeathering 5 жыл бұрын

That is incredible Bill! You just proved its doable.

@wb0iqk 5 жыл бұрын

What about the poor people trying to cross the track at Dairy? They must have been fuming.

@williamschlenger1518 3 жыл бұрын

The scenery is spectacular.

@abysmaldryer 5 жыл бұрын

I would hate to be in one of those cars at the crossing! BTW very nice layout!

@thomasboddeker9093 4 жыл бұрын

Dazu habe ich wirklich keine Fragen! Dem Erfinder der digitalen Technik sei Dank!

@mikel5295 5 жыл бұрын

Super sweet video !!!

@trainmansorrell 4 жыл бұрын

Wicked crazy cool. thanks for sharing that. as a UP fan loved it!!!! 😁😁😁😁

@dennisjackson6693 4 жыл бұрын

that was absolutely great

@mrlloydsummers1977 5 жыл бұрын

Great Layout

@PlanesTrainsEverything 5 жыл бұрын

Amazing stuff!

@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853 5 жыл бұрын

I'll always be a 3-rail O-gauge kinda guy but damnit if you don't get stunning realism from this stuff! Great layout guys!

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ken. Three-rail O-gauge has it's own special appeal.

@nscalefun 5 жыл бұрын

AWESOME, EXCELLENT and PERFECT!!!!! Love those long trains!!! Thank you for sharing and keep up the good work.

@the4000class 5 жыл бұрын

Wow an amazing feat ! Congratulations well done!!

@railroad9000 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic!

@longrider50 5 жыл бұрын

That was amazing. Such a smooth ride. Wow!!!

@j.reynolds3089 4 жыл бұрын

Very nice.

@Midway_CV-41 5 жыл бұрын

Amazing! Im speechless

@cprtrain 5 жыл бұрын

Wow! Thanks for posting.

@themanfromcabowabo1559 Жыл бұрын

Fitting it’s UP considering they also gave us 4014 and the DD40X.

@fastcsx1412 5 жыл бұрын

Wow so so so so cool

@ArantiusVulpes 5 жыл бұрын

So much potential for gremlins

@kevinyoung9557 4 жыл бұрын

Beautiful .Would love to see a video about the history of the museum and how the layout came about. Bucket list need to visit Greely Co, Breathtaking layout

@billr991 4 жыл бұрын

This could be exactly what you are looking for: www.cmrm.org/product/building-operation-super-model-rr-video/

@kevinyoung9557 4 жыл бұрын

@@billr991 ty Bill

@JohnTurner-wp7lg 5 жыл бұрын

That something I would try lol long trains is the way to go

@joestrainworldvideos3977 5 жыл бұрын

Fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing. Wow I love this trains. I subscribed. What else.

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Joes's train world videos. To see whole lot more click on these playlists: kzfaq.info/sun/PLCiFPrus_jMratsoVm8rBxr3JEIYRdQO- kzfaq.info/sun/PLCiFPrus_jMrL3c9K5oPPXSAZCixTVRdL

@tct855 5 жыл бұрын

Museum Members, Crap, crap, crap! Poor scenery that's unrealistic, poor backdrop paintings, stupid weathering on locomotives, too many cars on the train, poor video quality fake looking mountains. None! of the aforementioned applies to this totally awesome railroad museum. What a fantastic group of individuals bringing an awesome huge unit train into existence. I just love everything about this great video and everyone's efforts to model just a cool model railroad. Hat's off to all who built and all who maintain & operate this modeling wonder. I'm on board with you guys and hope to see this someday in person. Thank you all for your hard work and efforts. Keep doing what you're doing! Thanks for sharing! Have a good day! Thanx Thom...

@JohnTurner-wp7lg 5 жыл бұрын

Do you just have to speak if you don't like it then don't do it if you don't like the video then watch something else

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTurner-wp7lg I don't think tct855 meant his comment to be negative. Try reading it again.

@garyfranson1353 5 жыл бұрын

Regardless of whether they run a 200+ car train or not, visit this lahyout in Greeley, Colorado. It is amazing in size, scope and detail. I have been there in person 4 or 5 times, and think it looks even better in person than on this video or perhaps any video. BTW, I am impressed with how they kept so many DPUs in the train running and pulling at the same speed as the lead locomotives to keep the train from pulling apart or buckling somewhere in the middle. No way to pull a train this long in HO scale with all the units up front as the weight of the trains behind the engines would pull couplers apart.

@wes9619 5 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTurner-wp7lg Make sure to read the whole comment, not just tct855's eye catching opening sentence. ;-) Trust me I, I thought the same at first. ha

@randysrockandrollrailroad8207 5 жыл бұрын

Wow! Very Cool!

@TheSupradude26 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! There had to be another 17 coal cars available to make it a nice even 300 haha. And I thought running 75 cars on my 6' x 15' N scale layout was pushing the limit... However I just run 5 or 6 locomotives up front with no helpers.. impressive..

@jimsteinborn 3 жыл бұрын

That would be a nice round number, wouldn't it? Train length limited by siding capacity. It's possible that another 17 cars would make it impossible for trains to pass each other.

@tomgroenbeck7620 5 жыл бұрын

Nice layout and nice run. My coal train is only 108 BNSF cars and 8 engines, so I guess I need to get back on eBay and buy more ;-) Some layouts are more reliable than others with running long trains. You loose power (dirty track) and the cars start tipping over. Need to come visit this layout, quite a few miles from CA.

@acmrctrains7157 2 жыл бұрын

go to your local hobby shop and give the owner a heart attack ordering another 50 to 100

@jeff9104 5 жыл бұрын

Great stuff !

@joesaurina1402 5 жыл бұрын

Mr. Rogers, let us say $20 per car, that's over $5600 in rolling stock alone, plus locomotives, freakin awesome. And really smooth operation, great job. If you look at my facebook page there are pictures of my layout, the one you inspired. Thank you for all you do, cheers!

@sonysnapper 5 жыл бұрын

Actually, according to to owner of the first 100 cars it was $40/car

@dieselbeema4255 5 жыл бұрын

One of the oustanding features for me - realistic train speeds. Some serious electrics and electronics here to make it smooth running!

@Kevin-ev7hw 5 жыл бұрын

See what you can do with DCC system. :)

@AraRoodbuik 4 жыл бұрын

Very exciting and impressive. Just a pity that the camera has not stood still for 5 minutes. When I spot trains, I also like to count the wagons. I couldn't really do this now.

@tammo100 5 жыл бұрын

Incredible, that's about 45 meter length

@Midway_CV-41 5 жыл бұрын

Darn

@jappedut9009 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@acmrctrains7157 2 жыл бұрын

at our club it would be too much going over 50 but have you thought of a tips video on how to run long trains things to make it successful

@michaelmraz8243 4 жыл бұрын

at a flea market rate of $20/car thats over $5500 not including engines. sigh

@tylerbonser7686 3 жыл бұрын

And I'm guess they bought them new so 50 plus per car. 200 plus per engine.

@acmrctrains7157 2 жыл бұрын

older one have to many gremlins mine to but slowly getting 30 good ones

@user-mp2tl8zv2t 5 жыл бұрын

Hi. Heppy new year.

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

And Happy New Year to you too!

@WVS-KFD 4 жыл бұрын

Fantastic work. Without DPUs in the train, I wonder what the "string-line limit" is on this main? When I had my home layout, I pulled 90 car manifests along 42in radius curves with my scratch-built gas turbine (couldn't test anything longer--no more cars!).

@lbrendse 3 жыл бұрын

The "String Line Limit is about 65-70 cars with Coal & Grain. Now its a lot different with Autoracks or Double stacks. but that's assuming that all the cars run good and very little drag.

@acmrctrains7157 2 жыл бұрын

its starts to get heavy just try to pull the cars without the loco to feel all that weight kadees are amazing

@HobbyLifeSMF 5 жыл бұрын

The American railway model museum is big and realistic. I would like to go once.

@Midway_CV-41 5 жыл бұрын

Same

@MartyLJ57 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome ! Are the front and tail end engines ever in sight or parallel to each other?

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marty Jeruzal. I can think of a couple of places where that might have happened. They may have been within sight of each other at around 14:11 and were probably parallel at around 20:07 . You can get a better idea of where the train was by looking at the animated track plan shown at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b8mFf69otsmpooU.html . When looking at the animation keep in mind that the train in the animation is only a fraction of the length of the 283 car coal train. At 1 minute11 seconds in the animation the head end may have been visible from the tail end which was still in the "Loops". At 1 minute 23 seconds in the animation the front and tail engines were parallel and moving in opposite directions.

@tonywaldon7801 5 жыл бұрын

Good SHOW that's why they call it "the mighty union pacific"

@MarkInLA 5 жыл бұрын

3:58 I feel bad for those people who probably don't care about trains and have to sit idling that long to cross the track !

@BossSpringsteen69 3 жыл бұрын

Speaking of the prototype. This was probably in 2018 but i spliced two empty coal hopper trains together and cut the DPU unit off of the rear. The car count was about 260 cars. We were told to do this move. Everybody in the yard lower than a yardmaster was just astonished by what management was ordering us to do. If i remember correctly the train made it to it's destination ok.

@JoeG-firehousewhiskey 5 жыл бұрын

wow, now thats impressive

@lesashiminski690 5 жыл бұрын

Amazing . How to you keep train from stringing on curves? I tried on layout and cars tiped on curve

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

The team of volunteers that put this together has spent a lot time speed matching the locomotives, and perfecting distributed power operation on the OC&E.

@MBTAMoreRailfan 5 жыл бұрын

What type of locos? They must be REALLY REALLY strong.

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I don't have an accurate list. Maybe someone who is in to modern diesels could jump in here.

@Midway_CV-41 5 жыл бұрын

Both lead units were most likely kato ac4400s 0:48 the 2 patched sp dash 9s were also probably kato, 1:23 sd70ace at the end is athearn genesis 1:07 intermountain up es44 and kato dsah 9 2:21 ac4400cw w/ diff. sd70ace? 5:33 patched sp ac4400 + sd70ace Note i am human and prone to faults so i could be possibly wrong

@stationx4288 5 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was gonna say 😄

@jappedut9009 5 жыл бұрын

Wowsers 😯😮😲

@hansfriess 4 жыл бұрын

Did the whole train fit into the staging yard? Or did they have to break it up?

@billr991 4 жыл бұрын

See the beginning of the video at 1:28 showing the train in staging.

@SoloContracting 5 жыл бұрын

Does the museum have a set of standards for rolling stock tuning? Coupler make, wheel set make etc... Fantastic work.

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Solo Contracting. Volunteer's personal trains operating at the CMRM must meet certification standards that include wheel gauge, resistor equipped wheel sets, metal couplers, coupler height, car weight, and so on. Anyone interested in volunteer positions at the museum can learn more at: www.cmrm.org/volunteer/

@spikespa5208 5 жыл бұрын

Were any of the locomotives damaged doing this?

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

@cat650paver 4 жыл бұрын

Wondering. Do the cars all have different numbers, or are there duplicates?

@jimsteinborn 4 жыл бұрын

It is possible there are duplications, but for the most part they are uniquely numbered.

@acmrctrains7157 2 жыл бұрын

@@jimsteinborn thats a nice touch if watching up close not seeing duplicates

@oaktadopbok665 5 жыл бұрын

Are there any real railroads with grades that steep? Any idea how much that train weighs? Awesome layout!

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks OÄKTA DOPBOK. Yes there are railroads with 2.5 percent grades, although that is considered to be unusually steep. Grades under 2 percent are much more common. The CMRM volunteers who put the train together told me that the 283 car train weighs around 28,000 prototype tons.

@oaktadopbok665 5 жыл бұрын

@@@billr991 Thanks for that info. I don't mean to be a wise guy, but I also wonder what the model train you guys were running weighed. There's got to be a braniac somewhere that wants to compare the power consumption of your electronics to the equivalent diesel traction (ratio-wise, I mean). That info could become part of the lore that will inevitably accumulate from the running of this epic coal train.

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

@@oaktadopbok665 You're not being a wise guy at all. The scaling of length, weight, and power between the model world and the prototype world is an interesting topic. Try Googling "what are scaling laws" and then click on the link referencing Springer. Also the article at www.av8n.com/physics/scaling.htm looks interesting. While both articles go farther than most of us are willing or even able to go, the introductions are informative. As to how much the model train weighed, I don't know exactly. But let's make a wild guess by speculating that the cars weigh somewhere between 4 and 5 ounces each and the locomotives are about one pound each. That comes out to about 90 pounds.

@thomaslevy2119 5 жыл бұрын

@@oaktadopbok665 While size scales down, mass does not. HO scale is 1:87. If we took 1/87th of an actual 200 ton locomotive, then the model would have to weigh 2.29 tons. No amount of lead or depleted uranium could be crammed into the model to make it weigh that much. Anyone else want to crunch the numbers? There are probably others ways to figure it. I may not be right.

@milwmodeler3752 5 жыл бұрын

@@thomaslevy2119 No, your math is wrong. Divide 200 tons by 87 three times. Weight is a volume measurement (length x width x height). A 200 ton locomotive scales to 9.6 ounces. So most HO scale engines are considerably heavier than the prototype.

@alexdemartin8297 5 жыл бұрын

super mega giga très très joli

@giuseppearditi7963 5 жыл бұрын

Ok bil mi è molto piaciuto ho molti filmati di questo club

@RyanTheRailfan 5 жыл бұрын

Ive seen a 167 car coal at Alberta Free mo but this is amazing Are the cars owend by one person or by the club

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

The cars and locomotives are owned by 5 different Colorado Model Railroad Museum volunteers. Owner's names are listed at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zr10eLGAp9OlXaM.html

@Kevin-ev7hw 5 жыл бұрын

Bill I seen that the train stopped at staging to pick up more cars. Can you guys set up the layout to run on a loop?

@billr991 5 жыл бұрын

Eastbound trains leave Lakeview and enter staging. When they leave staging, still in the same direction, they enter Klamath Falls. Continuing eastbound they leave Klamath Falls, climb to the Quartz Mountain summit, and then descend to Lakeview. Westbound its just the reverse sequence. So the answer is, in a word, yes. If you are interested in more detail, there is an animated track plan diagram at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g61dirJ9y8vVgIk.html The animation shows a train running westbound.

@marcosbotucatu-sp8550 5 жыл бұрын

👌💞

@mclifer 5 жыл бұрын

Enough coal to last a day at the power plant.

@franzbrunner499 3 жыл бұрын

if someone asked me "do you think in a model railway they can pull 283 cars?" i would have said immediately "no way" VERY INTERESTING -as camera never stayed fix at one point, could't manage to determine exact composition 2 locos ??cars 2 locos ?? cars 2 locos ?? cars 2 locos 109 cars 2 locos 63 cars 1 loco -does anybody know?

@lbrendse 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, to Answer your question. We put a set of locomotives about every 55-65 cars. Hope that helps

@franzbrunner499 3 жыл бұрын

@@lbrendse thank you, appreciate