"Ian this is your best chance to beat me!" >Immediately drops mag Well shit

Ian immediately dropping his mag is amazing

And that's why we love Ian. Drop a magazine on the start line, looking like an idiot and completely ruining what would have been a solid 40 second run, only to come away laughing about it. Such a great personality.

Karl- "This is your best chance to beat me" Ian- "Hold my beer"

An interesting point to consider: Stone et al did a test of bullpup vs. traditional rifles, having experienced rifle users complete various shooting trials. What was interesting was that the shooters showed a preference for traditional rifles, but the numbers showed they actually performed better with bullpups, in terms of accuracy and ergonomics. Basically, like Karl, they didn't LIKE bullpups. But they actually did better with bullpups than traditional rifles. To quote the authors: 'The bullpup weapon designs were found to provide a significant advantage in accuracy and shooter stability, while subjects showed considerable preference toward the conventional weapons.' I suspect the anti-bullpup sentiment, particularly among American shooters, may be the result of what people are used to (most American shooters grow up shooting conventional rifles, after all). When you're used to shooting guns that feel a certain way, anything that feels different will feel wrong. Here's the actual study. journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0018720813509107

Ian & Karl, you're the best. Everybody regularly doing 2-gun/3-gun has had bloopers like this or worse, but almost none of them would have shared it as a community learning experience. This is the difference between a channel that accurately represents reality, and one that just wants to show some cool stuff and get views.

Wrong kind of mag dump.

Ian: I have a chance to win the whole match! Murphy's law: Are you sure about that? Ian drops mag on first stage. Poor Ian...

Liking the side by side runs being placed at the end of the video rather than where they used to be in the middle.

Love the new graphic and editing style!

Having served in the military where quick mag changes could be the difference between life and death, and ensuring proper mag seating the first time is imperative, firm and consistent and non-jerky pressure to guide the magazine all the way in is the best and most reliable way to seat 5.56 mags. both the Tavor and the AR15 platform have spring loaded magazine retention catches which sit in the cut-out on the magazine. When the magazine is inserted, the catch will get pushed out and will not lie flush with the receiver; when it goes all the way home, the catch falls down into the slot in the magazine and holds it in place. That is the best way to know that your magazine is seated fully as sometimes if there is debris or something in the mag-well, it could stick and seem like the mag is fully seated when it isn't. A full magazine is also under a lot of spring tension from the bullets pushing down the follower spring and thus inserting it into a rifle where the bolt is closed, you have to put even more tension on the spring: quick smacks will often not be enough to seat the magazine fully as it can't overcome the resisting pressure. I've seen this happen to too many guys on the range. It is always better to push the magazine all the way in with your hand and feel and hear the click as the mag catch drops into place and you can do a quick visual inspection to see that the catch is flush with the receiver.

I like the new graphics. Nice editing Karl.

Ian got a raw 50s run with a 10 second mag change once he hit the ground. There is a 10 second gap between when Ian and Karl started firing and they were in their firing positions at relatively the same time. I think it's fair to say that without the mag drop Ian would have scored close to 40s.

"This _could be_ your best chance to win today." 3:14 C'est la vie, Ian!

Ian dropping the mag brought Jack Black in Mars Attacks to mind, except Ian didn't grab the colors and surrender/die. Ian went for another mag and brought the scunnion.

5:22 the timing of that shot lined up exactly with you going "tug on it" and your hand movement

Holy Production Values Batman. Did Ian just drop his mag?

I was waiting for the moment in which Karl put down the tavor, picked up a previously buried 45-60 winchester, shot an impressive score and said "I Told You"

Tavor goes up against an AR platform, the AR flip-flops a mag. Irony, thy name is InRange.

Nice tactical magazine dump. How the big boys do it!

Appreciate the new editing strategy with the split after the final discussion, would have liked to hear more stage feedback from Karl since the feedback is usually the best part of these videos. I also like that Karl had the "worse" rifle, traditionally it seems like Karl has the best rifle (74 vs FAL for Ian) and with Karl's better skill we don't really learn much. But if a worse shooter can outscore a better one because he has a better setup, you've really proven something (or produced interesting anecdotal evidence, at least).

The mag falling immediately was hilarious 😂

I get this sense Karl doesn't like bullpup rifles but I'm not sure he's clear enough about it :)

With the ambidextrous mag-release, Ian will be from now on able to drop mags from any side he happends to be using the rifle. And I just can't help not to say that .. not even a single mag fell out of the evil bullpup rifle in this video :P

I haven't watched the WWSD series yet, but they are on the list. Looking forward to finding out more about that rifle. Looks like a keeper. My condolences on the mag drop. It happens.

Did some SA-80 genes make it into that AR?

nice new edits Karl. really high quality style

Coming from experience with the L85, I get why a lot of US shooters don't like Bullpups. The weight is different, the triggers are often pretty bad etc. I suppose it's just never much of an issue from my POV because most bullpups are issued rifles somewhere, and the sticking point of that is, like with the L85, an army trains to overcome the minor details that would throw off someone with a lot of traditional AR experience.

I like the layout of the videos with the split screen at the end. Also, is this a new camera? Quality seems better somehow.

Somewhat of a good thing about any firearm that uses the rock in/rock out method for their magazines, at least that's what I can surmise from this type of issue.

when Ian's mag dropped it hurt my soul.

I dunno what dropped faster, Ian's mag or my heart when I seen it.

Wonderfull camo Karl! Have the uniform here too, such marvelous colors.

I think this is a perfect example of training be far more important than equipment.

X95 is my go to

I like the new editing. Well done.

You should run the side-by-side comparison starting at your first shot. That would really show which one was faster on the stage and demonstrate just how much the magazine issue cost Ian.

TAVOR IS MY GO TO GUN LOVE IT.

3:34 Get behind me, traitorous magazine!

not gonna lie like the side by side at the end

Would have been nice with another side-by-side compare of the shooting, but synced to the first shot.

Minutes after I comment on Mars Attacks, the clip is inserted. Great minds think alike.

Good video guys. Tough break on that mag drop though. Im not a big fan of the bull pup either. A nice AR with a short barrel is just as good. Even better imo.

Best start EVER!

I absolutely love these two gun matches I'm here in Arizona I hope I can find some

Of the four stages, this one was least suited to the Tavor (It is awkward to mono-pod on the mag compared to an AR). It will be interesting to hear your comments going forward. Also, this stage was the best placement I have gotten at the match at 13th, but I still got beat by the guy with the space gun.

Now I want to see Karl shoot the stage with the WWSD AR.

If Karl can do that well with a Tavor then he's going to absolutely smoke everyone when he gets his wwsd ar15 out

That desert Flecktarn though

you should put the "die you alien shithead!" sound over Ian's run to the first position. or a Murphy's law quote.

Like the new design elements, very Web 2.0ish and clean. Also is it just me or is the camera better ? The blue sky is captured really well.

Ah bullpups. That make sense on paper. That's about it

I think without reloading and penalty Ian would have been faster, that reload costed him more than 5 seconds. That relaod was about 8-9 seconds from the time he tried to fire until he had a new mag in

Ian nice Tropentarn

Should put on "Comedy" tag as well, I nearly died laughing Ian is the best :D

Haha, love the inset! Even when your loosing Ian, your winning in my book. lol

Hey Ian what optic is that on your AR ? Is it a Primary Arms ?

Surprising I'm having a lot of rebuttal with Uncle Karl this month! But hey I'm from the internet and I'm not here to help! :)

I recently watched a you tube video of a Russian "sniper" rifle which was moderated (silenced), strangely it was a bullpup. Being English you will understand that I fully sympathise with your dislike of them, SA80 yuk!, but do you think that the concept is beyond redemption? Hubris is the word that sprang to mind after the start of Ian's stage 1, "Might be my best chance to beat you," he said. Hubris, definitely hubris. ;-) Great work as usual you two, really enjoyable.

If you guys are close by to me here in Tucson, I would love to join one or both of you out at the range sometime. I just got an S&W M&P15 with a 1in9 twist barrel rifle that has a Crimson Trace Red/Green dot Sight on it., and a Canik 9mm TP DA/SA pistol. I love your Videos! I wish that I could afford to support you on Patreon. All my money goes to Bills and now weapons... :/

Insert mag and tug to be sure it seated. Sucks to be that guy (I know). I'll also say that you don't need to slam the magazine to seat on a closed bolt (at least not an AR). Insert until you feel resistance, then push up with the magazine while pulling down with the wrist on the hand that's on the grip. Sort of a push/pull operation. It works for me every time and requires surprisingly little effort. I didn't know until an instructor showed me.

I wish full30 had a better way to split up your videos so there could be interviews, matches, and museum/auction lists

As a gamer, I resemble that remark.

It would nice to hear your opinion of the SA/RRA scandal from Illinois.

When the match started and I saw that mag dropping I was like: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ah man that sucks... Ian's time though the actual shots looked faster too. That dropped mag looked like it might of cost him as much as 10 seconds in his raw time and then the 10 second penalty. Here's hoping he makes up the 15 seconds.

Some mud tests in future? 3:15 Ian you must shoot before change mags:)

you guys should do a mud test on the fn fs2000

I've always thought bullpups made more sense in a battle rifle/dmr category in an urban environment where, instead of carrying 2 rifles, the bullpup would make clearing rooms much easier. Just my 2 cents.

Guys just an idea... can you stick all the WWSD related videos into a WWSD playlist for easy finding and catchup watching for people who want to watch old eps?

Think you guys could ever get your hands on a EF-88 Austeyr?

Karl can be pretty negative about bullpups. That's fair, and he would certainly know more than I would, but I'd be interested to see his thoughts (or, better yet, a 2G-ACM) on the P(S)90. Reloading the thing can be...finicky (read: bullpup-like), but beyond that it seems like a pretty solid weapon

I dead set though I'd missed something and dropping the mag at the start was part of the stage. My sides are gone

Is the penalty per dropped item or just any dropping gear at all.

German 3farb Fleck pants and boonie, a shirt that might just match, and that jacket? Oh come on! Also love the speed deload ;)

Ahh Ian you forgot something at the start line....

The AR15 is even lighter without the magazine!

I actually skipped over the stage explanation and then was wondering why they would start with a mag drop

Did you get a new camera since the last 2ACM videos? It looks great. Nice and sharp.

Karl, would there be anyway you could run a similar course twice, one day with your favorite rifle and the second day with a bullpup and compare your times.

Ian, are those German Army trousers in "Tropentarn"?

Hey Ian, you like the Germen Camo Stuff, arrent you ??? :) Greetings from Germany!

What camo patern was Ian wearing? Looks neat!

It's happened to us all.

You say in the video that the AR is one of the most advanced ARs built. Can you describe what features or components makes it advanced?

maybe this bullpup stuff just needs more time to come of age and get all the kinks worked out

Did Ian leave the mag behind even after it was picked up ?

I went out to 'break in' my new AR build a couple days ago and had mag seating issues. PSA: The more you know... Anyway, I'm slamming that f***er in there from now on, which did remediate the issue.

I see the vidéo with a friend who was soldier... when Ian lose his mags, he said 'darwin effect's...'

Karl, you're not biased against the Tavor/X95. you are just smart enough to see it for the piece of shit that it is.

Not a relevant question but does anyone in the comment section know what's a good way to build or set up a unpredictable moving target...not something purely on rails, something odd perhaps, programmable ?

in Canada we have to shed mags every five rounds lol the law says we have to :(

I cant tell if the mag drop was a mistake or a well planned joke to give the tavor a little help.

What gun is Ian using? The M27-style AR?

press F to pay respects to Ian's magazine

To me it looked like Ian lost 10 seconds, raw time, from dropping the magazine. I counted from Karls first shot to Ians first shot.

Huh? I thought only Tavors drop mags. ;)

What camo pattern is Ian wearing?

ian's pants are a german camo right?

sold my x95 hated that thing took for ever to clean and a grain of salt jams it.. liked it till i had to clean it though