3.0 V6 diesel or 4.4 V8 diesel Range Rover (L405) - which is best?

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Felix Gardner

Felix Gardner

Күн бұрын

In this video I compare the L405 Range Rover's two most popular UK engine options, the 3.0 TDV6 diesel and the 4.4 SDV8 diesel.
I deliberately didn't tell you which is best - you've got to make up your own mind on this one!
00:00 Intro
01:12 Purchase price
03:28 Running costs
08:15 Reliability
10:40 Fun factor!
13:28 Conclusion

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@alessandromarin2998
@alessandromarin2998 2 жыл бұрын
One of the smartest analyses I have ever seen on KZfaq. Really really a good job !!!!
@markatchison9974
@markatchison9974 2 жыл бұрын
Good summary. I have a 2014 SDV8. They are expensive to buy & run, but I still get 42mpg on motorways because the engine rev's really low at high-ish speeds. I've owned mine for 5 years & would hate to let it go. It's such a great car. Some people are being priced off the road & that's a real shame seeing as this is one of the greatest cars ever built (imo).
@eurotoura
@eurotoura 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Great explanation of the differences here between engines and agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I bought a new Range Rover last March and had this dilemma to deal with. I wanted the V8 but ended up with V6 for one reason only that you did not include in your comparisons, that being insurance. Despite being 60 and having a clean licence and being fortunate to live in a low risk post code, the cost the insurance for me would have been nearly 40% more for a new V8 as opposed to the V6 and this was just too much extra costs for me to justify buying the V8. It does need to be factored into your buying process for either new or second hand purchases. Hope you agree👍
@fgardner
@fgardner 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great point I had not considered! Insurance costs are a very valid concern. Thanks for commenting.
@v12-s65
@v12-s65 4 ай бұрын
hi, how did the V6 hold itself? 306hp version I suggest?
@apanda1662
@apanda1662 Жыл бұрын
Great timing finding your vid ! Just this week we have started to look for a 2017/18 RR v8 , very helpful thank you 👌👍
@GordonHunter
@GordonHunter 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has needed three engine rebuilds on a TDV6 in a RR Sport, I have a bit of experience! The TDV6 engine was designed for Peugeot, and specifically it was designed to fit in a narrow space. This has created vulnerabilities in the design with some metal thicknesses far smaller than would be usual. The crankshafts fail, normally at low revs whilst under load, typically towing or ours went on a hill. It has been said that the engine is not a great fit for the weight of a RR Sport to propel. thus in a full RR the engine is even less of a fair match. I would suggest that the V8 is the way to go in a full size RR.
@josephjohnston1894
@josephjohnston1894 2 жыл бұрын
Yikes, 3 rebuilds... I bought a new engine for my discovery sdv6 2015 this year but am always wondering how long it'll last
@samrodian919
@samrodian919 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree, im looking to get an L322 in the next few months in an older vintage 06-11 and i wouldnt touch the V6 with a bargepole given the horrors that I've seen recently on youtube. Has anyone watched LR time as Christian is rebuilding his friend's V6 including lineboring the block, refinishing two inner main bearing places as they heat distorted when the bearing shells spun. This all done in his home workshop! Brave man, and in my opinion a bloody good engineer
@tanja8907
@tanja8907 2 жыл бұрын
@@samrodian919 yes i watch him too, a fantastic German engineer. I love him and his wife, Vera, they have great banter.
@RQCK0N
@RQCK0N Жыл бұрын
@@tanja8907 is that LR Time? I've just looked for it and its run by Christian & Vera, so I presume that is the channel?
@RQCK0N
@RQCK0N Жыл бұрын
@@samrodian919 is that LR Time? I've just looked for it and its run by Christian & Vera, so I presume that is the channel?
@MoRussel
@MoRussel 7 ай бұрын
One of the best practical review!
@shawnybhoy6578
@shawnybhoy6578 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Felix just watched the video. I have a 2017 V8 RR and love it!
@donovanreimer2324
@donovanreimer2324 2 жыл бұрын
What a neat video. Such clarity all round too. Talk more about your great car please.
@PBRF77
@PBRF77 2 жыл бұрын
I pick up my 4.4 Autobiography tomorrow. Thanks for the videos as it's been very helpful and insightful.
@fgardner
@fgardner 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations!! Enjoy your fantastic machine
@shqiptari1699
@shqiptari1699 10 ай бұрын
Hi mate, how’s the car been talking reliability?
@leejankovskis7814
@leejankovskis7814 Жыл бұрын
Just thinking about buying one of these so this was useful. Thank you.
@InfinityProjector
@InfinityProjector 2 жыл бұрын
Good comparison. No matter which engine you have in your Range just service it regularly and when something on the car stop working or start making noises just check it, fix it/replace it and almost any Range Rover will go hundreds of thousands of miles/km. Only friends of friends talk about reliability. Every luxury car is the same in that regards.
@stevoone342
@stevoone342 2 ай бұрын
Good vid, understand why you mentioned warranty’s especially if you don’t like getting your hands dirty. Personally I’ve done most of the services and lite maintenance on both l322s I’ve had and enjoyed it, also have a fantastic specialist around the corner for everything out of my capabilities. I’m currently looking at getting a sdv8 L405 to hopefully have for the long term.
@andrewmitchell8859
@andrewmitchell8859 2 жыл бұрын
Good job young man !
@RATTLER238
@RATTLER238 2 жыл бұрын
Felix, you missed a very important difference between the V6 and the V8 Range Rovers and that is DSC/ACE!! Only the V8’s come with this feature which is basically Dynamic Stability Control when cornering. This system keeps the RR planted when cornering by sensing at 500 times per second what each wheel is doing so it can therefore apply braking or acceleration accordingly. Something double decker buses definitely do not have!! I have a 2013 Autobiography 4.4 SDV8 which I have had remapped to 400bhp, 820Nm of Torque and a 0-62 time of 5 secs. This takes away the hesitancy at junctions and roundabouts and, amazingly, better fuel consumption achieving 40mpg on a run 👍🏻😎
@johannielsen221
@johannielsen221 Жыл бұрын
which tune up is this?
@2sweet2handle28
@2sweet2handle28 Жыл бұрын
@@johannielsen221 You can get a tune best for diesels which not only increases engine power and performance,but also fuel economy too. Search some car tuning areas near you and they might be able to do that itll be called the economy pack of whatever.
@BuyongoPhiri
@BuyongoPhiri Жыл бұрын
Nice.
@comedefleurieu315
@comedefleurieu315 Жыл бұрын
@@2sweet2handle28 I still don't understand why manufacturers do not hire retuner guys that improve fuel efficiency...
@robw7676
@robw7676 Жыл бұрын
The gearbox is only rated to about 700Nm... Good luck 😄
@sandhirsewmungal
@sandhirsewmungal 2 жыл бұрын
I currently have the Range Rover L405 SDV8. It's one of the most beautiful vehicles on the road and is pure luxury. BUT... The vehicle was perfectly fine until we gave it to the dealership for its usual service. Shortly after getting it back Broken! Broken! Broken! The vehicle has been basically broken for 1 year and has had a number of issues. Lol even the parking brake malfunctioned and it took the specialist 3 hours to release the vehicle. We then gave it to another dealership and the vehicle was back to normal after a very detailed inspection and fix up, it even survived an offroading experience. The vehicle was then doing well until we decided to hit a quick road trip and then it broke down. Worst part of all is that the warranty just expired... When the vehicle broke down there was no message on the instrument cluster telling us the fault. There was just a heavy vibration throughout the vehicle. The dealership told us that it's engine issues. 185 000KM on the clock It's collecting dust in my garage Range Rovers/Land Rovers are beautiful vehicles but once it breaks you better be prepared for hell of s journey. Back to our now 3rd Toyota Prado 😁 Form Durban, South Africa
@zzrandy7110
@zzrandy7110 Жыл бұрын
I'm considering a V 8 range rover but my head keeps telling me buy a Toyota landcruiser instead! I'm not used to poor reliability having had toyota and lexus for years.
@johnsomerset1510
@johnsomerset1510 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting/alarming. Thanks.
@paulmccolgan9227
@paulmccolgan9227 2 жыл бұрын
Great choice Felix! Totally agree about the V8 being the better engine
@rostahang1341
@rostahang1341 2 жыл бұрын
I had both v6 diesel l494 and l405 both 2014 it pretty good car i done the tune and egr deleted for engine life span purpose and we good to go!! Keep upate your video i enjoy it since im a rover fan
@AXGELO
@AXGELO 2 жыл бұрын
Could you provide some egr delete details? Did it make the exhaust note louder?
@kgeddes7356
@kgeddes7356 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, you should have detailed the cam belt change cost for the V6….I currently drive a 2008 3.6 TDV8, 132k miles without a major issue….sadly I can’t enjoy the V8 sound due to the car’s double glazing! Planning to buy an L405 soon….thank you👍👍👍
@Molloy1951
@Molloy1951 8 ай бұрын
Historically, youtubers who are afraid and hesitant to express their opinions in their reviews do not succeed. I hope you can overcome the odds. Your videos are useful and well-thought. Thank you
@michaelcrump1288
@michaelcrump1288 2 жыл бұрын
i bought a 3 year old v6 autobiography , now 8 years old, no mechanical problems only 100000km here in new zealand. at 75 it suits me fine, my only annoyance it has a cambelt which i have had to change. if I want extra performance drive my V12 XJS convertible.
@InfinityProjector
@InfinityProjector 2 жыл бұрын
Just do transmission oil flush and timing belt around 150,000-160,000km and it will last forever!
@kevwatkins
@kevwatkins 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Felix, great video. Having had both the 3.0 and 4.4, the 4.4 wins for me hands down. Just one thing that I'd like to mention, the 4.4 V8 in the L405 is actually a derivative and therefore newer variant of the Ford Lion V6/V8 diesels, not older. We commonly know these Lion engines as the 2.7 TDV6 (used in the L319 Discovery 3, and pre-facelift L320 Range Rover Sport), 3.0 T/SDV6 (used in the L319 Discovery 4, facelift L320 Range Rover Sport, L494 Range Rover Sport and L405 Range Rover) and the 3.6 TDV8 (used in the pre and post facelift L320 Range Rover Sport and L322 Range Rover). For reference, please see here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_4.4_Turbo_Diesel It is not the same engine as the 4.4 litre AJ-V8 diesel engine used in the early L322 Range Rover, which I believe you are probably referencing when you said old design from 2004. Please keep up the great work on the videos and thank you.
@fgardner
@fgardner 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the insight Kevin! You are the Land Rover engine oracle for sure! I wasn't 100% sure of the history of that engine so I tried to be deliberately vague but you've cleared it all up - many thanks for watching.
@angusnz7910
@angusnz7910 Жыл бұрын
Owned Range Rovers since the P38 4.6 (my garage loved me), L322 4.4 (garage took my first born), L322 3.6 TDV8 (ok, I’m a slow learner), then a L405 4.4 SDV8..,which was the final straw. Yes I know first of versions can have gremlins but even I wasn’t prepared. That was a 2014 model brought new and in 2019 I gave up and went Touareg, and in 2021 I swapped that for a Touareg TDV8. I love my rangies and the feeling they give you when you hop in… it I hated the feeling they gave you when you opened your wallet. Touareg hasn’t got the regal feeling I must admit, but grunt, toys, grunt, reliability, grunt (get the idea) I can’t see myself going back. Rangies are like a naughty child…love them one minute, want to scold them the next, but love them all the same. I now look at it like my naughty child has left home and I got something that doesn’t okay mind games with me
@johnelbro127
@johnelbro127 Жыл бұрын
Love my Autobiography V8, great video. 👍👍👍👍
@MrStephen777
@MrStephen777 Жыл бұрын
4.4 V8 diesel Range Rover! You might have just convinced me. Very well done covered basics, "Won't be around that long"; what a depressing country we are becoming.
@user-qc2tf7zz5m
@user-qc2tf7zz5m 7 ай бұрын
Just got the V8 2018 in gold autobiography love it
@caroracle2658
@caroracle2658 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Felix and smashing shirt!! I loved my RR....I had a V6 AB and unfortunately the LR Warranty doesn't cover your for the Crankshaft issue. On the basis your car is serviced by LR, they will typically cover as this goodwill, although you may need to fight a little until they cover the cost 100%. Next one for me will be V8 AB, although I will wait for the new model to be launched next year and for 2nd prices to settle..
@fgardner
@fgardner 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment, thanks for watching! The V6 issue not being covered by warranty is pretty shocking to be honest, especially given it is such a widely known fault. Wise move waiting for the prices to settle, everything is incredibly expensive at the moment - it won't last!
@josephjohnston1894
@josephjohnston1894 2 жыл бұрын
You mean the warranty doesn't cover after the standard period? Surely it must do within that. The fact that they offered me 20% when the crankshaft went on my 5 year year old discovery sdv6 with 55k miles and FSH put me off JLR for life!
@mikejarvis3035
@mikejarvis3035 2 жыл бұрын
@@josephjohnston1894 The Extended warranty (at circa £1000 a year) doesn't cover the crankshaft issue as it's a 'known design fault' and it isn't actually a Landrover warranty, it's a 3rd party warranty, like 'Carwise' or something similar. Luckily when my 5 year old HSE Luxury went at 60,000 I was able to get Landrover to cover the whole £15,000 bill. Very lucky!
@soulfultaste
@soulfultaste 2 жыл бұрын
good video and makes a good point- 3.0 diesel wont be as desirable /easy to sell vs SDV8 would like to see v8 petrol supercharged vs v8 diesel comparison.
@ferks6327
@ferks6327 2 жыл бұрын
I would say Do NOT extend warranty as I had an Autobiography worth £75K one year old so 2yr warranty left when a piece of rubber stuck up on the panoramic roof. I took to main dealer where I was told the whole panoramic roof had to be replaced. I said ok car is under warranty but was told that was not covered ? Even tho roof was an extra fitted by Land Rover when new ? I contacted ceo of Land Rover and was told it is up to each individual dealership so basically warranty is worthless. They wanted £2,500 to replace roof because of a piece of rubber liner ! So I sold the car ! Check what warranty actually covers before you buy 👍
@danielbentley8103
@danielbentley8103 2 жыл бұрын
Nice. Hope you let the new owner know
@scap11
@scap11 2 жыл бұрын
Hi mate Love it.. got a V6 because they told the v8 is discontinued
@shkelzenprelezi5524
@shkelzenprelezi5524 2 жыл бұрын
Now that they don’t do the V6 and the V8 diesels anymore, but switched up to 6 cylinders D300 and D350 what do you think? Will they be reliable in a long time run?
@sambrowne
@sambrowne 2 жыл бұрын
I ended up getting one, this very same car in fact. 😉
@Chazaxl
@Chazaxl 3 ай бұрын
Porsche Cayenne 4.2 TDI. Having driven both the 405 and the Porker back to back, the Porker takes it, such a dynamic car and has an even better sound as a V8 as its less muted than the LR.
@johannielsen221
@johannielsen221 Жыл бұрын
I just had a total engine failure on mine (2013, at 174000 km) but now with a brand new engine and tubos it is running perfectly. Btw, new Engine in Norway has the bargain price of 48k pounds, including turbos. But they got some kind of refund from LR, so I ended up paying 50% of 34K Pounds, since insurance covered half.
@tomheavens7932
@tomheavens7932 Жыл бұрын
Was this the V6 or V8 Johan? Hei fra Bergen 👋
@Saielectricalmotor
@Saielectricalmotor Жыл бұрын
I like that car bro
@tonyhull5539
@tonyhull5539 Жыл бұрын
The V6 is basic a V8 with the back 2 cylinders removed. The rear oil ways in the crankshaft feed 2 bearings instead one one each, because the rear two cylinders are missing, the other crank oil ways are fed with oil individually.
@eliotmansfield
@eliotmansfield Ай бұрын
that’s the petrol engine with the missing pistons iirc
@Garcia061
@Garcia061 7 ай бұрын
5.0sc more reliable than both. But yeah the 4.4 is much better and has stability control etc. The cranks falling off the 3.0 is due to the DPF.
@freddieflanders
@freddieflanders 2 жыл бұрын
I think the 5.0 v8 is best 👍
@michaelcrump1288
@michaelcrump1288 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone change the gearbox oil, and at what mileage
@InfinityProjector
@InfinityProjector 2 жыл бұрын
Best to do it between 100,000 and 160,000km. Reduces stress on motor and gives you piece of mind. I am doing it on L320 at around 160,00km together with timing belt on 3.0
@RATTLER238
@RATTLER238 2 жыл бұрын
ZF recommend between 80-120k miles. No such thing as “maintenance free”. Did both mine and my mates L322 and what a difference, feels much smoother and like new again 👍🏻😎
@cjsmith3429
@cjsmith3429 2 жыл бұрын
I will choose the LX450d over that! 🙉
@kevint7851
@kevint7851 2 жыл бұрын
Sdv8/Tdv8. for me also, 2016 model L494. Love it👌👌👌👍.......Put sdv8/tdv8 as I don't know which it is! anyone?
@johnallen3555
@johnallen3555 Жыл бұрын
you forget to mention the broken crankshafts that the V6 has a history of - this is as aspect of purchase risk with huge consequences
@houseofwine7704
@houseofwine7704 2 жыл бұрын
The only serious RR is the L322 from 2006 onwards, after the BMW era.
@marcusgs12345
@marcusgs12345 Жыл бұрын
Ironic, as now they're putting a BMW engine back in it again 😂
@petermacgregor2004
@petermacgregor2004 Жыл бұрын
The V8 is effortless.
@Cptkelvin
@Cptkelvin 2 ай бұрын
The Rangerover is like a troublesome but beautiful girlfriend you are in love with ...we know all the issues but its a must have,enjoy the moment when it lasts😂
@robincuerden6395
@robincuerden6395 2 жыл бұрын
have the same as you v8 diesel se 2017 ratle macine
@hdk11
@hdk11 3 ай бұрын
I couldn’t care less about the 16mpg I get from my 5.0L Super Charged V8 Autobiography Dynamic. It puts a smile on my face every day without fail. I am so glad I didn’t go for the 4.4L!
@davidqna5620
@davidqna5620 2 жыл бұрын
Infelizmente carros da land rover só presta os que são a gasolina ,porque os diesel estão dando muitos problemas e geralmente são muito caro as manutenções
@sofalugger
@sofalugger Жыл бұрын
V8, Re-Map = The only way to go....The Torks amazing...`cheap` buy 2nd hand now £4£ 4 ironmongery ...
@antking8847
@antking8847 2 жыл бұрын
Is using the term 'break down' when comparing Range Rovers subliminal?
@RafhaelUK
@RafhaelUK 2 ай бұрын
I have a v6 2017 autobiography vogue nothing to complain yet 😂
@chirodavenz
@chirodavenz 4 күн бұрын
Add the cost of a new Engine to an SDV6 every 80,000-100,000mi and you're set.
@boydwyatt
@boydwyatt 2 жыл бұрын
Post BMW , the v8,s , either petrol or diesel are the go. More power and better reliability......... and cmon ! The sound, ooooohhhhhh!
@frijobecker
@frijobecker 3 ай бұрын
"Agricultural rumble" 11:50 ...ok I buy the V8 🤠😎
@MrSupertings
@MrSupertings 8 ай бұрын
good video but for security reasons I wouldn't film outside my house now the range rover theives no where to strike next, just a thouhjt
@tuningemporium815
@tuningemporium815 2 жыл бұрын
Tdv8 generally is better 😉
@wayneoriordan6749
@wayneoriordan6749 2 жыл бұрын
I worked for land-rover v8 is far superior unit the v6 is plain shit the amount off engines I had to bits I lost count never buy a v6 it will bite you in the arse
@voicezful
@voicezful 2 жыл бұрын
If COP26 delegates get there way this lovely car will soon be obsolete, somehow an electric version would look very sad indeed,
@marcusskyfall
@marcusskyfall 2 жыл бұрын
The "delegates" will still be driving the 4.4's though...
@frankish5314
@frankish5314 2 жыл бұрын
No crankshaft to break though eh?
@comedefleurieu315
@comedefleurieu315 11 ай бұрын
Don't take the v6 lion, too risky. Pity because it s a good engine but this crankshaft issue is terrible.
@JBinthesticks
@JBinthesticks Жыл бұрын
Just don't touch a diesel Range Rover. Buy a petrol instead and reassure yourself that the savings on repairs compensate for the extra fuel costs!😃
@colinsmith3938
@colinsmith3938 Жыл бұрын
"I'm an Englishman who has been driving Land Rovers products for over twenty years and can honestly say there is no place more comfortable to be.... ....whilst waiting for a tow truck!" 2 days ago
@Tracertme
@Tracertme Жыл бұрын
I don’t think you can compare these really your either a diesel person or petrol, those who tow might say diesel, others like me would never drive a Smokey old diesel that sounds like a tractor and has van like throttle response. In a similar manner I would never buy any sporty type SUV because there is no such thing beyond a badge, to tall to heavy and slow, if I want that buy an RS6 as for costs, I don’t care.. it’s RR. ❤️❤️
@MePeterNicholls
@MePeterNicholls 4 ай бұрын
I’d look at 3rd party warranty
@weidles
@weidles 11 ай бұрын
Why is the used value so low, because of reliability and repair costs, I would rather own a Toyota Land Cruiser.
@hbmustangs
@hbmustangs 2 ай бұрын
the v8 has less body roll
@cobrallapi6323
@cobrallapi6323 2 жыл бұрын
This is same shit citroen engine the best shit ever made tell people the troth
@eliotmansfield
@eliotmansfield Ай бұрын
if you are buying a full fat rangie - you buy the v8.
@andygtv
@andygtv Жыл бұрын
A slightly poor track record 😂
@Ricky-cl5bu
@Ricky-cl5bu Жыл бұрын
V8 is a ford engine the v6 is rubbish jag citron that does in the big end bearings complete rebuild
@OnurKartal
@OnurKartal Жыл бұрын
Both engines are Ford, AJD-V6 Code 3.0 TDV6 producted under FORD LION names. PSA=FORD=Citroen
@Ricky-cl5bu
@Ricky-cl5bu Жыл бұрын
@@OnurKartal the 3.0 is a jaguar engine with citron and Renault bits
@OnurKartal
@OnurKartal Жыл бұрын
@@Ricky-cl5bu I am Jaguar / Land Rover mechanic and also I have Jaguar parts shop.. 3.0 TDV6 Diesel is PSA-Ford Lion engine same Peugeot & Citroen
@Ricky-cl5bu
@Ricky-cl5bu Жыл бұрын
@@OnurKartal why are the big end bearings one the crack shaft going on a lot of them nearby every one I know that has a Range Rover sport 3.0 stdv has had to fit a new engine
@thatboy27506
@thatboy27506 Жыл бұрын
@@OnurKartal ​Today, my dad’s SDV6 just broke down on a highway. Before it happened, my dad was cruising at 200kmh and suddenly he heard some whining noise in the interior (it’s loud). Then, the car just started to decelerate and broke down. Now, the mechanic said that the engine can’t be saved. This cause my dad to change the new engine. So, which engine you think that is better to replace? The same SDV6 or SDV8?
@karlk3491
@karlk3491 2 жыл бұрын
Come on! It’s a diesel, you seriously need a V8 petrol not diesel.
@OH2023-cj9if
@OH2023-cj9if 5 ай бұрын
Can you stop doing that old person thing were you keep putting your hand over the camera lens! It stops us seeing what you are filming. Watch the video before uploading, it helps correct mistakes and stops you falling in to really poor video production.
@MrLuba6a
@MrLuba6a 10 ай бұрын
just pop up to tell you the truth>none of them are good!!! Those excellent SUVs are a nightmare...🤮yes yes...and in the future one might not be able to drive both of them-the car industry is going in the wrong direction-diesels will be banned 🤷‍♂
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