3 Different Necks On The Same Guitar (I’m Shocked)

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Rhett Shull

Rhett Shull

Күн бұрын

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Roasted Maple Strat Neck
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So. We all know that I support the tone wood theory, but in today's video, we're putting that to the test by asking if different guitar necks really sound different. Usually, I'd chock up any difference in tone from a maple to a rosewood neck to the different guitars, pickups, pots, guitar weight, ect. But today, we used the same guitar and swapped the different necks out. And honestly, I'm kind of shocked with the results.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:04 The Guitar & Necks
03:13 The Amp
03:51 Rosewood Neck
04:29 Swapping For Maple
06:18 Tone Comparison
08:21 Initial Thoughts
09:37 Swapping To Roasted Maple
10:39 This Doesn't Really Matter?
11:40 Final Tone Comparison
13:26 Rhett is Shocked
15:46 Final Thoughts
17:06 Outro

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@Kiviat
@Kiviat 20 күн бұрын
Funny how Fender went with rosewood because the maple showed age and usage….now they charge extra to make maple necks look that way!
@herewegoagain7403
@herewegoagain7403 20 күн бұрын
could say that about anything.
@timetraveler_0
@timetraveler_0 20 күн бұрын
They don't charge extra, what are you talking about?
@baabaabaa-yp2jh
@baabaabaa-yp2jh 20 күн бұрын
Relic guitars is what he's on about.
@miketaylor6053
@miketaylor6053 20 күн бұрын
Leo also made the bolt on neck to avoid needing a fret job. The idea was just to replace the neck.
@miketaylor6053
@miketaylor6053 20 күн бұрын
​@@timetraveler_0he was talking of relecing, and you're damn straight they charge a lot for that.
@Sammywhat
@Sammywhat 20 күн бұрын
Now, the only problem is convincing my wife why I need three Strats.
@ampthebassplayer
@ampthebassplayer 19 күн бұрын
My wife says you can only have 3 guitars if they're all Teles.
@kevliao
@kevliao 19 күн бұрын
@@ampthebassplayer why does your wife care? I'm sure my wife can't tell the difference (other than color) - they all look the same to her.
@muzaffermahoni6828
@muzaffermahoni6828 18 күн бұрын
What's the best thing about having too many guitars? When you buy a new one, your wife never notices!
@swardmusic
@swardmusic 18 күн бұрын
no.... 3 necks
@PAULERC
@PAULERC 17 күн бұрын
@@kevliao They don't care about the guitars, but, they do care about the family budget xD
@halfindy
@halfindy 17 күн бұрын
11:14 In my humble opinion that is true for so much more than just fretboards. Even switching from a Peavey Wolfgang to a 1971 Les Paul Custom during a live concert doesn't change that much of what's being experienced by the audience in the room, but obviously it makes an immense difference for me. For me, whatever inspires you in any given moment is the right thing to use!
@stormyweather2837
@stormyweather2837 5 күн бұрын
I agree I recently bought a cheap gretsch with broadtron pickups that almost every one hates but I love them and that guitar really inspire me. 🙏🙂
@halfindy
@halfindy 4 күн бұрын
@@stormyweather2837 That's awesome, stromyweather. Another benefit of being one of few people who are inspired usually is the price tag on such an instrument. :)
@SebastianDavidMusic
@SebastianDavidMusic 17 күн бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing the wav files!
@PaulDavids
@PaulDavids 20 күн бұрын
When I compared a Squier to a Fender standard/custom shop/original '63 loads of people didn't hear a difference either, which is totally understandable. They all sound very much like a guitar. This is basically the same, but even more extreme I guess. There are differences, but they are marginal. But if you've been playing guitar for so many years and for so many hours a day, these subtleties are easier to spot. I don't even know if it's the wood, or just the fact that it's different necks/nuts/tuning pegs. For what it's worth: camp Rosewood.
@PawlikJJP
@PawlikJJP 20 күн бұрын
Hey, could you do a follow up video to your strat comparision but you put pickguard from custom shop to squier?
@Eren_Sahin_
@Eren_Sahin_ 20 күн бұрын
Wholeheartedly agree on the point of the other parts. Though I am impressed by Rhett's ability to play very consistently, I would really appreciate another player of the same caliber testing necks that have the exact specifications and construction methods. (ex. 2 piece neck without a skunk stripe with a bone nut and Fender Vintage Nickel Tuners and String tree with the same radius.) The perfect comparison point would've been to take another Vintage II strat with a maple neck, considering they are off the same production line with the same hardware.
@directassault1662
@directassault1662 20 күн бұрын
Camp Rosewood sounds like a nice place...
@sz5001
@sz5001 20 күн бұрын
I feel like differences are so small they could be explained by *tactile* details. Different finish and texture of each neck affect the player on subconscious level and influence how he operates with both the left and right hand. It still results in different performance, of course - just like someone more used to C profile will play more confidently on C shaped neck than deep U or V. But I suspect that if those necks were given to some perfect and inhumanly precise robot it could be programmed to make those small differences disappear and maybe even prove that difference between maple and rosewood can be just as "huge" as between 2 maple necks from different wood suppliers. TLDR - yep, fretboard matters but more in how it affects player's comfort than due to its specific sonic properties.
@glennc100
@glennc100 20 күн бұрын
Paul and Rhett, the difference is much too subtle to tell over a laptop computer speaker with headphones or without. Only a "in person experience" could express the nature of these changes. Reminds of when I wanted to buy a Klon clone and the youtube videos weren't helpful, the subtleties just couldn't be expressed properful through this medium.
@jonestheguitar
@jonestheguitar 20 күн бұрын
I think we can all agree that what made Jimi Hendrix so great was his incredible choices of fretboard wood.
@veryval3634
@veryval3634 20 күн бұрын
He was ahead of time definitely!
@jutukka
@jutukka 20 күн бұрын
Exactly so. He was a mediocre guitar player but the best tone wood specialist of his era. 😅
@gutsurfer
@gutsurfer 20 күн бұрын
Hendrix played maple because he thought it looked cooler. He played rosewood in the studio a lot.
@Strongholle
@Strongholle 20 күн бұрын
It's not like there are multiple accounts on his preferences or very much detailed descriptions of everything he got done to the guitars, the setup and whether or not he had preferences for maple or rosewood by Roger Mayer. I'm not a tone wood believer (more like a sceptic) but looking for subtleties and differences in your gear can definitely push you forward and make whatever talent you got really shine.
@forester057
@forester057 20 күн бұрын
People just don’t get sarcasm. Holy crap you people should have your internet cut off.
@mattemeny2606
@mattemeny2606 16 күн бұрын
This is a really useful video mate. Thanks and subscribed!
@barryporter9995
@barryporter9995 14 күн бұрын
Awesome Rhett. Never saw a demonstration like this. You're incredible.
@DreidMusicalX
@DreidMusicalX 18 күн бұрын
I closed my eyes and listened to the entire thing and I could not tell when you switched.
@PatrickLarson
@PatrickLarson 17 күн бұрын
same.
@trentwaterman7049
@trentwaterman7049 17 күн бұрын
Beethoven is that you?
@DreidMusicalX
@DreidMusicalX 17 күн бұрын
@@trentwaterman7049 I hear you my brother, it is I.
@SimonMorelguitar
@SimonMorelguitar 17 күн бұрын
100%
@LukeMosse
@LukeMosse 17 күн бұрын
Exactly
@NadaSurfinAB
@NadaSurfinAB 20 күн бұрын
I heard more of a difference than I expected. Thanks for taking the time to run this experiment.
@astiagogo
@astiagogo 16 күн бұрын
An experiment? 🤡
@Renshen1957
@Renshen1957 16 күн бұрын
@@astiagogo Yes, "a procedure carried out to support or refute a hypothesis, or determine the efficacy or likelihood of something previously untried. Experiments provide insight into cause-and-effect by demonstrating what outcome occurs when a particular factor is manipulated.'' In this case, too determine whether long term observations among guitarists that different neck woods produced different tonal properties was audible or not.
@josue_kay
@josue_kay 15 күн бұрын
​@@astiagogo🤡
@MrClassicmetal
@MrClassicmetal 15 күн бұрын
​@@Renshen1957To truly harness the power of test cases, having a well-designed test _environment_ is critical. Im this case there is no well-designed test environment.
@martyk656
@martyk656 14 күн бұрын
​@@MrClassicmetal An experiment, nonetheless. Trying something new to see the results is an experiment. Doesn't mean anyone else has to be influenced by the results.
@sonsrawk
@sonsrawk 17 күн бұрын
Very very cool video!! I loved the sound of all three necks but for me the snappyness of that Roadworn Neck maple neck was so friggin sweet! I have done several neck swaps on my strats and teles turning average playing, feeling and sounding guitars into great guitars. It was fun listening to it in a test last this. Thank you!
@hoganut
@hoganut 16 күн бұрын
long time viewer. Just subscribed. Been wondering about this for a long time. Thank you.
@what519
@what519 19 күн бұрын
Hi Rhett, I thought it would be less noticeable than that. Great video and explanation/analysis. That strat is awesome with all 3 necks!
@Henrique_A_Melo
@Henrique_A_Melo 20 күн бұрын
Great video Rhett! I have a Fender California Series Telecaster with rosewood neck and I always wondered why the sound is darker than other Fender guitars. After more than 20 years I found the answer!
@ironvader9935
@ironvader9935 15 күн бұрын
Awesome review. Definitely hear the difference in all 3.
@henrietta6423
@henrietta6423 15 күн бұрын
Definitely agree..! I have rosewood, maple and ebony neck guitars. The rosewood is really warmer, absolutely. Maybe that's why Jimmy Page, Slash, Satriani and Vai always wanted rosewood neck on their guitars.. Keep rockin' guys..!
@Itsjorgelanzas
@Itsjorgelanzas 20 күн бұрын
🔥Awesome video man!! In the studio, I always hear the difference too, on top of that, i have a few strats at home and the findings are always the same, and we all know it. just like you said, “everyone should get what fits them”. Both their needs and LIMITATIONS.(my editorial addition) 🤘🏻
@nvs6177
@nvs6177 20 күн бұрын
Oh boy.... The PTSD this gave me. The great Tonewood Wars of the early to mid 2010s.... What a time to be alive
@qua7771
@qua7771 20 күн бұрын
I could care less what people debate. I care more about how my gear sounds, and how I can improve it.
@michaelmeehan9083
@michaelmeehan9083 19 күн бұрын
😂
@dwftube
@dwftube 18 күн бұрын
LOL I still remember the guy who was so against the idea that wood made a difference he even did really angry rants as he explained things with the help of a whiteboard.
@qua7771
@qua7771 18 күн бұрын
@@dwftube The angry rants usually mean that they're protecting a belief rather than being objective. It doesn't matter the tone subject, if people are having a discussion, someone will come in to disrupt it most of the time. I'd say wood doesn't make a bit of difference when you have a bunch of metal in the trem bridge, and playing high gain through a bunch of effects. Someone in that camp is usually the one arguing with those who play fairly clean. Then there is perception.
@heyreadmefirst3522
@heyreadmefirst3522 18 күн бұрын
we lost a lot of good men to the Tonewood Wars. the ones that survived barely made it through the war on christmas.
@philipwpartain
@philipwpartain 17 күн бұрын
Kudos to you it your video editor. Excellent video!!
@user-ey9of9qo5u
@user-ey9of9qo5u 18 күн бұрын
Hi Rhett, Great comparison!! Thanks for sharing this. I changed the neck one time. There was some time in between the change. There was a big difference. One neck was USA 2006 rosewood the other MIM 2022 pay ferro. The way of playing and the tone changed extreme. I did a lot of these comparisons on different guitars with different parts. Every part has a big influence on tone. You can have a guitar which challenge you or not with changing some little details. The most interesting I found the Strat Tremelo system. By sanding the Fender tremolo blocks the chime and sustain increased extreme. The Callaham gives the old chime. The electronics like wiring, pots and paper in oil caps also make a lot of tone and quality of the sound. My comparison between a standard Fender Fat 50’s pickguard and a wiring harness made by a luthier with paper in oil cap vs the cheap ceramic. He worked 15 years for Fender and had a lot of Custom Shop Guitars on the bench. This difference in electronics was really the difference of a very good sounding guitar into a bizar good sounding guitar. My conclusion is that all changes matter!! Wood, hardware, electronics, pickups, nut, etc. All these challenge the player or not. With all these knowledge you can let guitars with a good basis (wood!!!!!) letting sound like custom shop or even vintage.
@thebigsmooth99
@thebigsmooth99 20 күн бұрын
Nice touch starting with some Knopfler on the red strat. It’s the little details.
@handle433
@handle433 20 күн бұрын
Especially since his first two Strats were both red, and one was maple, the other rosewood!!! He often just swapped his fav pickups into whichever he was playing more at the time!!
@seanbaines
@seanbaines 20 күн бұрын
Instant demonetization, though. 😆
@Mexxx65
@Mexxx65 20 күн бұрын
Marks favorite strat was a Candy Apple red one, not a Fiesta red.
@handle433
@handle433 19 күн бұрын
@@Mexxx65 no that was a Schecter Dream Machine, not a Fender Stratocaster. He got that in 1980, he played his Fenders from 1977-1980.
@traviswaynedoyle
@traviswaynedoyle 20 күн бұрын
This is such a cool idea. Thanks for spending time to put this together. Cheers!
@kymberlybyers6218
@kymberlybyers6218 18 күн бұрын
Great video. Thank you for your efforts
@hakanaxlund4316
@hakanaxlund4316 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for this video. I totally agree that you can hear the difference and that the rosewood is slightly warmer. Also great that you point out that no one who isn’t as nerdy as us “guitar people” ever will hear the difference or care. So the only one it matters to is the player and like you say if you have a preference you should go with it. It’s not better or worse just a matter of taste. Love that you did this. 😊 Also, isn’t it reasonable to assume that Leo, being a business man, quite simply skipped a step in production and just put the fret wire straight in to the neck to save cost? I mean there is a reason why strats are kind of the most common and wide spread guitar type ever. Partly because it was readily available to the mass market at a affordable cost. Again thanks for great video.
@woltri68
@woltri68 18 күн бұрын
I just love the look of maple fretboards and never cared about change in sound. I heared "rumors" but I never thought it would be this clear in a kinda scientific comparism. This is a cool ear-opener.
@Hornet135
@Hornet135 12 күн бұрын
It’s nonsense
@rottentomatoplays
@rottentomatoplays 12 күн бұрын
Problem is... changing the necks can change pickup height as well so unless he checked pickup height and length over and over again, he's not giving an accurate representation
@imieniainazwiskaniepodam411
@imieniainazwiskaniepodam411 11 күн бұрын
"in a kinda scientific comparism" This comparison is anything but scientific. Not only he changed way to many variables between runs, but he let you see the guitar he was playing!. Tonewood believers are so quick to make a judgement, but the funny thing is - only when they can see what is being played. As soon as it is a double bling trial, suddenly they are all busy with something else, or "youtube compresses the sound so it's not a good way for a comparison" etc.
@FiendlingBM
@FiendlingBM 10 күн бұрын
@@imieniainazwiskaniepodam411 You can't hear the difference between the rosewood and maple here, seriously? It's pretty obvious one is brighter than the other, you could tell that even without seeing it. Now could I pick which one is which beforehand, probably not. That's not what the test was about, though. The EQ change is a lot bigger than I would have expected tbh.
@michaelclarkphoto
@michaelclarkphoto 20 күн бұрын
Great video. Pretty amazing to hear the clear differences between the different necks.
@theDestinationisnow.
@theDestinationisnow. 16 күн бұрын
of course...take same neck and electronics and switch bodies...ash hog alder...total different sounds
@luisralda
@luisralda 17 күн бұрын
Great video! Thank you!!
@danielcgomez
@danielcgomez 17 күн бұрын
this is the exact result I came up with 10+ years ago doing the exact test. I prefer the RW sound for my playing. ...Glad you went thru the effort to bring this to us Rhett! Thanks!
@rogerpingleton9199
@rogerpingleton9199 20 күн бұрын
I was definitely surprised, and I like the snappier maple sound. I switched to Maple, because I can see the strings better, so I'm super grateful you did this and set my mind at ease that I'm not giving up the tone I like. Good job!!
@ZachNa
@ZachNa 20 күн бұрын
It's over Rhett. You live in a post-Jim Lill world now.
@Tr33People
@Tr33People 20 күн бұрын
This has no data just opinion on sound. Jim does try to give data by sound wave mapping or something else. Jim's point are usually that moving your tone knob a bit will make more difference than the neck or tonewood.
@jarrodhroberson
@jarrodhroberson 20 күн бұрын
this is a lot of listening either your eyes. a double blind with waveform graphs would be more convincing
@ButcherKC
@ButcherKC 20 күн бұрын
I wonder if this video was a reply to Paul’s recent rant on the tonewood debate. Rhett trying to stay in Paul’s good book.
@jamesalley7387
@jamesalley7387 20 күн бұрын
Rhett is providing the files so you can do your own waveform analysis
@Tr33People
@Tr33People 20 күн бұрын
@@jamesalley7387 Even if there is a difference your tone knob will make more of a difference.
@TwelveSticks
@TwelveSticks 18 күн бұрын
Great video. And great idea to post the raw files - nice work Rhett. My heart always said that such things made a difference, but my head believed the naysayers. Good to get such a 'scientific' comparison.
@user-nv7lu6ce5f
@user-nv7lu6ce5f 15 күн бұрын
Awesome video Rhett 💯😎
@soylentkris
@soylentkris 18 күн бұрын
@11:32 The sound and feel of a guitar ABSOLUTELY affects the way I play. This is th reason why I choose certain guitars for certain gigs. I hear in my head when I think I may want a Les Paul, or my blackguard Tele, or one of my Strats, or my 335. They all sound and feel differently, and it's reflected in my playing.
@Gufonseca1
@Gufonseca1 3 күн бұрын
This is so true. I have a Les Paul and a strat, and yeah, a I feel that have some songs that I tend to use one or other. It affects some much the way I play. This is the beauty of guitars. Each type of guitar have their own unique way to play. I don’t think it’s about the tone of the guitar at all. Cause for regular people, they don’t even notice it
@uhhjake3007
@uhhjake3007 20 күн бұрын
Had my eyes closed during the A/B comparisons of the rosewood vs maple and other than the first playing where i had yet to shut my eyes, i could only tell when the neck had changed maybe 2 times out of 10
@mrcoatsworth429
@mrcoatsworth429 20 күн бұрын
With videos like this, there should *always* be a blind comparison, with the reveal at least a few days later. Because people hear with their eyes and convince themselves there is a difference, whether they actually hear one or not.
@johnevered9640
@johnevered9640 20 күн бұрын
Yeah I was hearing a massive difference until I started again and closed my eyes lol
@d0sk3y
@d0sk3y 20 күн бұрын
Any proper blind ABX test requires at least an 80% accuracy during 5 complete runs to be relevant. So here we go, no difference whatsoever :)
@SkunkworksProps
@SkunkworksProps 20 күн бұрын
@@mrcoatsworth429 Hence my grandad saying "Hang on I can't hear you, let me put my glasses on."
@BeroOgden
@BeroOgden 20 күн бұрын
Thought I could hear a difference until I tried it again with my eyes close to blind see if I could hear the change. Short answer was nope, only heard the change like 2 or 3 of the changes.
@Bluewaterboy
@Bluewaterboy 16 күн бұрын
I agree with your analysis! Great guitar nerd watch! Very interesting
@BillyE5150
@BillyE5150 18 күн бұрын
I’ve always thought that maple was touch brighter, and that’s what I learned/read/was told… I love them all. I’ve had them all at different points. I usually go guitar by guitar about my overall experience… all good! Great nerd video!
@felirick
@felirick 20 күн бұрын
Definitely a difference in tone. Thank You
@89digits59
@89digits59 20 күн бұрын
In this instance below are my favorites 1. Road Worn '50s Maple Strat Neck - Winner 2. Roasted Maple Strat Neck - 2nd place (I wanted this to win) 3. Rosewood fretboard - 3rd place (sounds a little muffled - not my types)
@slimturnpike
@slimturnpike 19 күн бұрын
same for me, the road worn is the sound I like most.
@drg6161
@drg6161 19 күн бұрын
I agree with this. This is how I ranked them also
@davidian3412
@davidian3412 17 күн бұрын
Me too
@gigioamericano333
@gigioamericano333 16 күн бұрын
Same for me!
@roddyharrison2454
@roddyharrison2454 13 күн бұрын
Same for me. It seemed to have more of what I was looking for across the board.
@KenTeel
@KenTeel 15 күн бұрын
Well said about the audience not caring about the specifics of your guitar. Thanks for the demonstration. Yes, there really is a difference between the types of fretboard woods' sound. After this demonstration, I'll never looks at fretboard woods the same way. This was truly educational.
@blockchaininvestor
@blockchaininvestor 5 күн бұрын
Nice shirt Rhett!! Good content here
@JakubSoltysik
@JakubSoltysik 20 күн бұрын
I owned strats with different fingerboards, and now I have two that I cannot decide between. I believe that the rosewood sounds nicer to the ear, it's warmer and more round. It is also kinda softer to the touch. The maple neck strat that I own now is snappier, brighter and in my opinion cuts through the mix better than the rosewood. So, I think there are just different uses for the two fingerboard types. I would use the rosewood strat in solo playing, bluesy stuff, and the maple in a funky rhythm band situations. It's best to have two! :)
@bones2532
@bones2532 18 күн бұрын
Well done comparison again, Rhett! Aaron of Warmoth Guitars did a very good video comparing different neck woods some time ago, too. Your comparison just proved what I had already experienced myself and expected. In my opinion the neck's material makes a much bigger difference than the body material of a guitar or bass. I'm pretty shure, the reason for this is that the neck takes the much longer part of the whole scale length of the instrument and therefore has a much bigger influence on the overall resonance of the guitar. I assume, that the sound difference between the thin coated road worn maple neck and the roasted maple neck comes primarily from the high gloss finished fretboard. As the frets are embedded in laquer, they transfer the vibrations differently to the neck, I think. It's a subtle but noticeable difference. To be honest, I liked the roasted maple neck the most. I like the snappiness and glassy high end of maple necks and the roasted maple neck didn't sound quite as harsh as the road worn one. Lucky me, I also like high gloss finished necks, so the choice is an easy one for me.
@imieniainazwiskaniepodam411
@imieniainazwiskaniepodam411 11 күн бұрын
"Your comparison just proved what I had already experienced myself and expected." That is what we call confirmation bias. He let you see the neck wood, while you were hearing it. That is not how we test those things.
@billyslide7645
@billyslide7645 17 күн бұрын
So, so cool. You’ve confirmed what I’ve thought I’ve known for a long time. It also confirms what my preferences. I also believe no two guitars are the same. To me it’s the spirit of the guitar.
@joshboyd4716
@joshboyd4716 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for a great video! I agree, the road worn is definitely brighter and snappier, and completely agree with your assessments! Personally I like the Road worn maple the best when looking for a strat sound, having that really clear bright tone to cut through the mix for a funky rhythm guitar groove.
@fossilmatic
@fossilmatic 20 күн бұрын
I’ve often wondered if the visual lightness of maple makes us think it sounds “brighter”, and the darkness of rosewood makes us characterise the sound as “darker”. The mind plays funny games…
@nunninkav
@nunninkav 20 күн бұрын
No, if you are not deaf, you can clearly hear it. This is what us git players have known, but never verified because you are usually judging guitar to guitar.
@Y33tastic
@Y33tastic 20 күн бұрын
That’s literally all it is. I understand if people have preferences to the feel of the wood under the fingers, but there is no discernible difference (especially when you can just eq your sound or cover it with the slightest bit of overdrive or distortion) and people should just pick what makes them want to play. I swear though the next time I hear maple described as “snappier” I think I’m going to lose it lol.
@andrewgalvin2616
@andrewgalvin2616 20 күн бұрын
It's 100% this. If you took the samples and mixed up the order. You wouldn't have a chance in hell at identifying them blind. Anything else is inherently biased by your priors and visual cues and honestly a waste of time.
@joeschlicht
@joeschlicht 20 күн бұрын
@@Y33tastic But if you are EQing your sound to cover the difference, aren't you admitting there is a difference? To MY ears there is a distinct difference, and like Rhett says: "if it matters to you it does, if doesn't matter to you, then it doesn't. I will agree it hardly matters in the context of a live band scenario though.
@joeschlicht
@joeschlicht 20 күн бұрын
@@andrewgalvin2616 I know I could do it (soloed, maybe not in a full mix).
@martinweston7144
@martinweston7144 20 күн бұрын
You should give a few raps up and down the back of each neck , whilst unplugged, and listen to hear if there is any movement of the truss rod inside. In over 40+ years of doing guitar repairs I've found you might find a spot along the neck where the sound of the rap is noticeably different, indicating a slight space between the trussrod and the channel on the back of neck or under the fretboard. I do this before fitting any after market necks as well [Cheap necks off Ebay/Amazon have about a 5-10% failure rate of this test], and advise the owner to get a replacement that doesn't show this trait, as it's not really viable to repair.
@joshuajakubowski8710
@joshuajakubowski8710 9 күн бұрын
Thanks for doing that experiment. I did not expect a difference myself, but I could hear the ever so subtle differences through cell phone speakers
@tonyshoe3131
@tonyshoe3131 15 күн бұрын
I knew this a long time ago. It's like watching the wheel be re-invented. Good video.
@mrtruefifth
@mrtruefifth 20 күн бұрын
How do we know that the string height is absolutely the same down to 100% ? Also, the pick attack is absolutely not the same, I hear that the Maple run is picked harder than the rest.
@Billiamwoods
@Billiamwoods 20 күн бұрын
Yeah, this is supposed to be a scientific test and he plays a bunch of extremely loose and feel-based riffs. I think the point to take away is that the whole debate is just stupid and I need to stop giving these videos my rageclicks lol (rage is a strong word, but you get me). Also, Rhett sees the guitar, right? His feel that the guitar is "snappier" could affect how he plays. I mean, turning the knobs on your amp has infinitely more impact. Don't pay out the nose for fancy wood, because a good player is going to sound great on any old crap. And if you think it'll make you better, you're probably not a good player lol
@lookingbehind6335
@lookingbehind6335 20 күн бұрын
Exactly, some people don’t have brains that figure that out.
@jpizzleforizzle
@jpizzleforizzle 19 күн бұрын
I thought I heard more string buzz on the maple fretboard, on the first few frets. That could give the impression of "brightness", imo.
@mattrogers1946
@mattrogers1946 18 күн бұрын
​​@@BilliamwoodsIf every great guitar player would sound great playing crap, why don't they? Why do guys still tour with their vintage guitars, when they could just play a Hello Kitty guitar? Gimmie a break.... Can you all say denial? 🙄
@Billiamwoods
@Billiamwoods 18 күн бұрын
@@mattrogers1946 Better-made guitars play better, stay in tune better, break less - and guitarists are heavily traditionalist, believe in silly superstitions, like certain guitars more more for comfort or looks, etc. I didn't say there's no difference between cheap and expensive, just that as long as it's functional, your guitar is probably the least important part of your music, and the wood it's made from is probably the least important part of your guitar (unless it's made from like rotten wood that falls apart lol)
@501chorusecho
@501chorusecho 20 күн бұрын
why are you so surprised about the results my man? this has been common knowledge amongst old guitar nerds since the late 50's....i can tell a maple neck on a strat a mile away
@YouTubeHandlesAreMoronic
@YouTubeHandlesAreMoronic 20 күн бұрын
We're done; Uncle Larry has spoken.
@ae3898
@ae3898 19 күн бұрын
Also sprach Bukovac.
@ileutur6863
@ileutur6863 19 күн бұрын
You xan tell because you're listening with your eyes instead of ears. Maple "sounds" brighter because its light colored, pure psychology.
@christiankellermusic2150
@christiankellermusic2150 19 күн бұрын
Tom bukovac just parted the Red Sea
@501chorusecho
@501chorusecho 19 күн бұрын
@@ileutur6863 yeah that's probably all it is...it's probably not the 47 years of guitar playing
@eranzilber1
@eranzilber1 17 күн бұрын
Very professional and even scientific analysis! Thank you.
@flogginga_dead_horse4022
@flogginga_dead_horse4022 16 күн бұрын
not really lol
@LeBoun64
@LeBoun64 Күн бұрын
Very relevant editing !!!
@2011studies
@2011studies 16 күн бұрын
For sound (very minimum) I like the rosewood but for feel I would go with the 50's roasted maple. The thing is, within a song mix there would not be much diffenece noticed. You would simply get use to the original recording.
@paulw.3967
@paulw.3967 19 күн бұрын
Arthur Pate and others at the Sorbonne in Paris did some experiments and found that the resonance properties of individual pieces of wood vary more than the difference between the average piece of maple and the average piece of rosewood. They measured a bunch of nominally "identical" guitars made in the same factory, differing only in the wood type used for the fretboards. They also did tests where they had guitarists play guitars in a dimly lit room with funny-colored light, so that they couldn't tell whether the fretboards were rosewood or maple, and then asked the guitarists to describe the sounds of the different guitars. There was no pattern of them describing either type as brighter or snappier or any of the things we're told about fretboard effects on sound.
@huzursuzamakusursuz
@huzursuzamakusursuz 19 күн бұрын
chances are the guitarists that tested the guitars have not skilled ears, did they do a/b testing? or just one person tested one guitar and asked for her/his opinion?. Listening skills are really hard to develop. It is even harder to hear difference especially scenarios like this. Your listening ability can vary day to day. One day your mix sound good next day your mix is awful
@fkrohmer
@fkrohmer 19 күн бұрын
Really excellent point, often times the individuals setting up various experiments fail to grasp, the importance of such skills, as it is not their field of expertise. You are on point sir.
@lqr824
@lqr824 18 күн бұрын
@@huzursuzamakusursuz > chances are the guitarists that tested the guitars have not skilled ears, did they do a/b testing? or just one person tested one guitar and asked for her/his opinion?. Listening skills are really hard to develop. It is even harder to hear difference especially scenarios like this. You might be totally right on that but turn it around: if ONLY skilled listeners can tell the difference... and such listeners are so rare even among musicians... then I guess it doesn't really matter, does it? There's a difference between neck pickup and bridge that even a child can hear, or between CD and tape. Or Strat bridge and Les Paul bridge. I'd even say most people could tell the difference between a 5' and 20' chord (makes a big difference actually). > Your listening ability can vary day to day. One day your mix sound good next day your mix is awful So true. It depends on being tired, what else you've been listening to that day--noisy environment etc.
@huzursuzamakusursuz
@huzursuzamakusursuz 18 күн бұрын
@@lqr824 yeah you are right but im not questioning if the difference is important or not. My point is if there is a difference there is a difference. To me is important, in reality (mostly) as long as audience are having good time they don't care about music you make😁. They are feeding something else inside, if that make sense
@suede__
@suede__ 18 күн бұрын
@@huzursuzamakusursuz You would think they could take out the human variable and analyze the sounds produced by the pickups to find the difference empirically.
@jamestedder
@jamestedder 16 күн бұрын
Hey Rhett. Your chops and feel are on point. This is why I subbed. You’re an amazing player with great connects and reach. For those of us that are done with the buying of guitars and realize technique and soul matter more, It would mean so much to see tab and more instruction. Always hoping the best for ya *edits for humanity. Spanks
@WoodshopMike
@WoodshopMike 17 күн бұрын
Great comparison and reinforcement that there is a difference in the tone different woods produce even in an electric! Perfect timing too because I posed this question in a recent video and as you can imagine, the comments section is completely split! 😂
@Flatule
@Flatule 20 күн бұрын
I've got a 3 year college degree in lutherie. Altho I've not made a career out of it yet for obvious financial reason I can tell you this. Even if you pick wood from the same exact tree it can end up souding totally different from each other. We tuned our soundboards not by thickness but by putting weights on it and measuring how it flex and also various test with a frequency generator. A case could be made for neck thickness/ rigidity and sound.
@harvey785
@harvey785 20 күн бұрын
Thickness & density of a wood will definitely affect the way it resonates.
@TheMightyYak
@TheMightyYak 20 күн бұрын
On an accoustic?
@Jb-ip3di
@Jb-ip3di 20 күн бұрын
And for the torque on the screws when each neck is put on
@harvey785
@harvey785 20 күн бұрын
​@@TheMightyYakno idea
@harvey785
@harvey785 20 күн бұрын
​@@Jb-ip3dias long as the neck is tight a little variation in torque shouldn't be an issue
@tomschrein417
@tomschrein417 18 күн бұрын
That’s a lot of work! Thanks for the effort. I didn’t think there would be that much difference. The maple necks are definitely brighter, noticeable so. Personally I liked the 50s maple the most.
@YouKnowTheyExist
@YouKnowTheyExist 13 күн бұрын
I could hear the difference, and it matters to people who have such good hearing MAYBE. Decay is going to be a shorter interval if the fretboard absorbs energy. Sustain and presence of high frequencies (and harmonics) is better on the harder material (maple ?). So what sound do we want? The presence of rhythm built into a tune is more compelling by far. The tune might be calling for either of the spectrums, per the listener, so, it is a matter of luck and re-takes. But nothing is worse than an idiot adding a noise machine to ruin a beautiful work that begs to be heard a hundred times ("Falling Into You" is my pet peave). Who will remake it at the level of perfection it still deserves?
@felixfranzen7318
@felixfranzen7318 12 күн бұрын
This should've been a blind test with 10 trials. No-one would be able to get more than 50% right. It's easy to tell them apart when you can see which guitar he's playing.
@greg6509
@greg6509 17 күн бұрын
This was great! I agree with the conclusions.
@Gilmourizing
@Gilmourizing 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for that! What I've seen in this video is exactly my experience with my strats, but now it's proven!
@Wadey1960CS
@Wadey1960CS 20 күн бұрын
I'm with Leo...I prefer the looks of the Rosewood (or Darker) fretboards. The slight sound difference is irrelevant to me, a pickup change, EQ in the mix can make up the slight difference. If it means the world to you.
@wulf67
@wulf67 18 күн бұрын
I think I preferred living on a planet with rainforests, but at least you and Leo were able to experience some fleeting superficial happiness with the appearance of your guitar necks.
@rrdream2400
@rrdream2400 17 күн бұрын
Always preferred rosewood boards on alder Strats and maple boards on ash Teles, this could explain why
@user-we3tb4lo7h
@user-we3tb4lo7h 14 күн бұрын
I prefer generally bright fingerboards than the dark ones at strats
@Rllasley
@Rllasley 15 күн бұрын
GREAT VIDEO!...my experience playing -55 years- has shown me similar results...Use my Clapton Blackie Strat (25 yo)-maple neck- for certain sound/techniques....use my Jeff Beck Custom Shop (9 yo)-Rosewood- for certain sounds/techniques...DEFINITELY Different....Thanks! Lee
@paulsummerside
@paulsummerside 14 күн бұрын
Good video. In all honesty I expected the results you found. But it’s so nice to see a video like this. I generally found the sounds more pleasing with the 50’s Road worn Maple. It might possibly explain one part of why I went away from playing a Strat to playing a Tele. I used to own a Strat with a rosewood neck. The sound was okay, but I never really at the time got the sound I had in my head from that guitar. Add to that I never really got on with the placement of the selector switch on a Strat. When I picked up a a Telecaster I was hooked. That guitar had a maple board & is a guitar I still own. In fact I have two telecasters, both with maple necks. Interestingly each has a slightly different vibe when I pick them up, which is down to other variations, such as on my JD Telecaster it has more of a V profile, but I digress. A couple of years ago I put together a Strat from various parts to get the guitar I wanted and the feel and sound of that I really do like. And yes I went with a Maple board. Rosewood has its place but I don’t think everything is down to Maple being snappy, bright & defined. Or Rosewood being warm, mellow & muffled. For me there is another thing. And it’s a tactile thing. I do own quite a few instruments, and each has a different feel in the hands and under the fingers as well as sonically. Fingerboard on rosewood necks probably to me vary probably more than anything, with how open or tight the grain is. Not really sure if this makes the slightest difference to tone. But I know which instruments I like to play more than others. And with maple I generally prefer for Fender style instruments.
@TommyGrunge
@TommyGrunge 20 күн бұрын
The thing I gather from all these types of videos is that if there's a difference in tone at all it's minimal enough that when buying a guitar you really only have to worry about the feel and if you like the way it looks. The wood choice really isn't something that effects the recorded tone in a large enough way to matter.
@jmabs5096
@jmabs5096 20 күн бұрын
This is truth 100%, you will have tonewood crazies after you real shortly without any evidence to support their opinions. Minimal change if any.
@jacobpittman1996
@jacobpittman1996 20 күн бұрын
Satisfaction with feel and aesthetics is a great place to start. As a kid, whatever Jimi Hendrix had in his hands looked good enough to me.
@agatone20
@agatone20 20 күн бұрын
Exactly, feel and aesthetics, that's the criteria I use to select the wood of my guitars, not that "tonewood" nonsense. If there's a tiny difference in sound between woods, it can't be perceived after the sound goes through the pickups, cables, effects, amp, etc.
@nottieru
@nottieru 20 күн бұрын
Feel, look, and the pickups combination.
@davidwilliams8031
@davidwilliams8031 19 күн бұрын
Agreed. I love the look of Rosewood. I get frustrated that they don’t offer all colors in both. Some maple-only would be killer with the darker fretboard for contrast.
@danthegeetarman
@danthegeetarman 20 күн бұрын
Very interesting. The Maple has an emphasis around 4k, the Roasted maple has an emphasis around 6-8k, and the rosewood has an emphasis around 400hz with less top end than the maples. Thanks for sharing the raw files. Was fun to put them in the DAW and check it out blindly
@qua7771
@qua7771 20 күн бұрын
You people who trained to identify frequencies amaze me.
@danthegeetarman
@danthegeetarman 20 күн бұрын
@@qua7771 That’s just from 15+ years of mixing & mastering. If you use Fab Filter Pro q3, you can utilize the “band solo” feature, and just sweep until you hear the frequency that’s jumping out at you. The more you do that, the more you can internalize it.
@qua7771
@qua7771 20 күн бұрын
@@danthegeetarman I learned a little adjusting the center channel of my home theater, so that dialog sounded more natural. There's definitely a learning curve. I considered doing some recording in the future. Thanks for your tips, and advice.
@paulw.3967
@paulw.3967 17 күн бұрын
Are you sure you were looking at differences in necks, and not differences in performance, or something else? Most frequencies of string vibration, but especially HIGH frequencies, tend not to be transmitted via the fret into the wood. The fret is not mobile enough, so most of the string vibration energy bounces right off the fret back into the string, like sound waves in air bouncing off a concrete block wall. That is why you have sustain; vibrations that get into the wood are mostly on a one-way trip and fairly quickly lost by internal friction in the flexing wood. Mass and stiffness work together to resist motion, with the fret being stiff enough and braced against enough stiff-enough neck wood to resist most motions and reflect almost all the energy at high frequencies. A given amount of rigid-enough mass will resist motion much more effectively at high frequencies than low ones, for the same reasons bass comes through a normal wall better than higher frequencies do; a lightly constructed wall is enough to reflect most of the sound at high freqencies, and you need a more massive and stiffer one to reflect bass that effectively. Differences in the 6-8KHz range are almost certainly NOT due to differences in neck wood, and are more likely to be to differences in the fret, nut, bridge, and the strings themselves. Above 1KHz, things like how the nut is cut and details of the bridge (trem system and so on) tend to matter more than the neck, unless you've got fret buzz, which is also not reallly about the neck wood.
@rolon-will3362
@rolon-will3362 16 күн бұрын
@@paulw.3967Are you sure it isn’t the neck wood? Not saying it is, but what you say is just opinion unless you do the testing. It always amuses me that people think their different explanation is somehow more valid, even though they are working in the dark too. It’s just a theory until you have proof from experimentation, no matter how well you explain it.
@jud62
@jud62 16 күн бұрын
Dude, that’s amazing!!! I’ve always strongly preferred rosewood fingerboards and here I’m hearing why! I also strongly prefer the way rosewood feels.
@Robbie63
@Robbie63 16 күн бұрын
That was a brilliant video and I could definitely hear a difference. I've always prefer maple necks and lately roasted maple, for the looks, feel and sound, which is now officially recognized.
@richfiryn
@richfiryn 20 күн бұрын
I bought the American Vintage II 61 Strat in Olympic White from Sweetwater and had them apply their PLEK setup service to it. It was and is astonishing just how flawlessly the guitar plays for me. Absolute perfection.
@deanmccaskill5495
@deanmccaskill5495 20 күн бұрын
I have one also. Gawd it’s a good guitar. Mine isn’t plekked though. I’d love to try it. Of the Strats I own it’s like 1. American V2 2. Mike Mcready ( very close) 3. 50s Road worn Fiesta 4.American STD black 5. Some unknown year Tobacco Sunburst Mexi 6.American Pro 2 Dark Night 7. Player Plus tequila In that order. I feel like there’s another one around here but I can’t think of it at the moment
@em90793
@em90793 20 күн бұрын
Just my two cents since I don’t see anyone here talking about vibration (FYI I am a mechanical engineer with experience in vibration analysis and mitigation). When a string vibrates it transfers energy into the guitar and causes it to vibrate. Since the guitar is now vibrating it will transfer energy back into the strings; this relationship goes both ways. Now, how the vibrations travel through the guitar and back into the strings has to do with natural frequency and transmissibility. Transmissibility is how effectively an object or material can conduct vibrational energy without dissipating it as heat (also known as dampening). Different materials dampen different frequencies at different magnitudes than others. Maple doesn’t add high frequency and ‘snappiness’ to a guitar, it is more correct to say that it doesn’t dampen high frequencies as much as mahogany or rosewood. Every object has a natural frequency, or a frequency it wants to vibrate at. The natural frequency of an object made of many parts is affected by the natural frequency of each individual part. So if you replace a part, such as a bridge saddle, tuner, fingerboard, etc. with something else that has a different natural frequency it will affect the whole object and how it vibrates. All that being said, parts on a guitar change how it vibrates, and how the guitar vibrates affects how the strings vibrate because they are attached to each other. Pickups will notice these changes in the vibrations of the strings, this is why strings sound different new vs three months later. Old strings have dirt and grime stuck to them and rust or corrosion, those changes affects how the string vibrates and therefore the sound. The reason old strings sound dull is the same scientific concept as why certain guitar body woods sound darker or brighter than others. If you can’t hear the difference or don’t care about the minute changes these things make, that’s fine, but at the end of the day that’s an opinion. Tried and true engineering doctrine developed over the last century that billions of dollars of machinery is built and operated on states that when an object vibrates, any object it is rigidly attached to will affect its vibration characteristics. I encourage everyone to look into the science behind this taught by real industry expects and PhD level researchers, not just musicians on KZfaq. The information is out there if you aren’t afraid of some math and high school level physics.
@Captain_Nemo1961
@Captain_Nemo1961 20 күн бұрын
👏
@Captain_Nemo1961
@Captain_Nemo1961 20 күн бұрын
Try doing that singing wine glass trick with a red Solo cup.
@YouTubeHandlesAreMoronic
@YouTubeHandlesAreMoronic 20 күн бұрын
Spot on.
@alwitham3650
@alwitham3650 20 күн бұрын
Thank you for this. As for your comment "when an object vibrates, any object it is rigidly attached to will affect its vibration characteristics", this is clearly audible to me even when attaching a clip on tuner to a headstock. It tends to subtly dampen the high frequencies. I would also add that in this video the fretboard material isn't the only difference between the necks. Rhett stated that the maple board neck was thicker, therefore it had probably had more mass. There is no info on how thick the roasted maple neck was, but I'm guessing the whole neck is roasted, not just the fretboard. And although all three necks were maple (underneath the fretboard), wood is very variable and they could have had very different densities. So yes I heard a difference between the necks, and I heard a bigger difference between the rosewood board neck and the two maple board necks than i heard between the two maple board necks, but I can't say definitively that it was because of the fretboard material.
@em90793
@em90793 19 күн бұрын
​@@alwitham3650 You are totally correct, how much wood is certainly important as well. How much of a difference it makes vs the material is hard to measure or quantify, but if there's more material, it takes more energy to make it move (vibrate), so it will absorb more energy. That being said, wood is also unpredictable so maybe one piece of maple is more resonant or brighter than the other just based off of its age and where it was grown. That can have just as much of an effect as the size of the neck. Guitars are a sum of their parts and how they are put together, thats why its so important to go out and play them
@denssession644
@denssession644 18 күн бұрын
I love how you included the riff from "Just Kissed My Baby" (The Meters) in your comparison video. Great video and excellent comparison.✌🏼
@bobrathunde8559
@bobrathunde8559 11 күн бұрын
Good test Rhett! I'm 0 and I have been a tech and builder for 40 years. You have proven my feelings about the different neck woods.
@David.S.
@David.S. 20 күн бұрын
You should try an all-rosewood neck..one word: BRIGHT. Rosewood is a very dense wood, but the feel of an unfinished rosewood neck is hard to beat..
@wulf67
@wulf67 18 күн бұрын
You know what’s even better than a guitar with an all-rosewood neck? A planet with a rainforest.
@Stanvansandt
@Stanvansandt 18 күн бұрын
@@wulf67 Indian rosewood is sustainably harvested, and that's what is found on most guitars these days. Wooden guitars aren't destroying the planet. Wooden headed people are.
@stephenbeyer
@stephenbeyer 18 күн бұрын
So it will make a subtle difference in sonic tone, but the change in visual tone is much more apparent.
@beefnacos6258
@beefnacos6258 8 күн бұрын
lol I clearly hear differences, I prefer one over the other in certain demonstrations.
@stephenbeyer
@stephenbeyer 8 күн бұрын
@@beefnacos6258 Fair enough. And to each their own, but is it enough to warrant a neck upgrade over a speaker swap, new pedal or even just a slight EQ tweak? I for one find more value out of the other three options... I'm also not rich yet.
@Judge247
@Judge247 13 күн бұрын
It’s brilliant to finally hear the difference between rosewood and maple, side by side. Definitely brighter. Thx!
@Mr.TeETH78
@Mr.TeETH78 15 күн бұрын
Ah! You played one of my favorite Leo riffs! Thanks!
@picksalot1
@picksalot1 20 күн бұрын
I agree with your findings, and the differences were easily noticeable. The thing that matters to me is whether or not the differences in tone can be made removed with the use of the guitar's Tone Knobs, or an EQ Pedal. Thanks
@MorzakEV
@MorzakEV 17 күн бұрын
I suspect a slight tweak on the tone nob of the maple would bring it much closer to the rosewood. Certainly a studio eq could get it to a point where it’s not discernible.
@mattflickinger8151
@mattflickinger8151 20 күн бұрын
It’s the front end of the note. It’s softer on the rosewood. I think the maple “snap” is a real thing. They sounded brighter. I think it’s from the feel, i have always preferred the “harder” feeling maple. Really well done Rhett!
@andreasfetzer7559
@andreasfetzer7559 20 күн бұрын
Bullshit, the pickups do not detect the sound of the neck, only of the string.
@thestuffmikedoes2309
@thestuffmikedoes2309 20 күн бұрын
@@andreasfetzer7559correct. And the wood affects the sound of the string lol
@peterszkalonai4960
@peterszkalonai4960 20 күн бұрын
The string vibrates between the saddle and the fret/nut, the neck doesn't have anything to do with it, but I always enjoy watching the fart sniffers clutch their pearls.
@Exgrmbl
@Exgrmbl 20 күн бұрын
fret material is an orders of magnitude bigger factor to that snapiness, a 1/4" cap on a maple slab is literally meaningless
@wulf67
@wulf67 18 күн бұрын
On the rosewood fretboard, the front end of the note had a sweet, full-body nose reminiscent of apricots and mango that bloomed into an earthy, woodsy-floral mid-bouquet, culminating in an intriguing black pepper and currant finish with an ever-so-subtle hint of tobacco. This fretboard obviously grew in rich, acidic soil with plenty of morning fog and afternoon sunshine.
@flouisbailey
@flouisbailey 16 күн бұрын
Rhett you are a real guitar guy to bring in neck shape as well as wood type. Now you need to do 3-4 of same type of wood made different days/years, age of wood, it will get complicated. Great job 👏🏻
@DavePorterBand
@DavePorterBand 14 күн бұрын
Awesome video! There will always be tone wood deniers out there but the evidence in this comparison is pretty clear. Thanks!
@AlanW
@AlanW 20 күн бұрын
Rhett: I want to test if the fretboard gives different sound, can I have the same neck with different woods? Sweetwater: Sure, here's three completely different necks.
@castleanthrax1833
@castleanthrax1833 18 күн бұрын
I've never heard of a neck with interchangeable fretboards.
@adama4791
@adama4791 18 күн бұрын
wtf are you on about…how is 3 necks on the same guitar an invalid experiment
@TIMExBANDIT
@TIMExBANDIT 18 күн бұрын
REGARDLESS, if changing the necks changes the tone, then how is it just only the strings that you hear? This is still the same debate.
@castleanthrax1833
@castleanthrax1833 18 күн бұрын
@TIMExBANDIT But it's not only the strings that you hear. With an electric guitar, you aren't hearing the sound of the strings amplified. You are hearing the sound of the disruption in an electric field by the strings.
@AlanW
@AlanW 18 күн бұрын
@@castleanthrax1833Believe it or not, I knew a guy who was doing this in the 70s, it didn't really work out for him tho.
@timothysprinkle3052
@timothysprinkle3052 20 күн бұрын
I have noticed a difference between the maple neck and rosewood necks, and your results mirrors what I hear. The maple is brighter. I have not never have played a Strat with the roasted Maple neck. Maybe I will have to try one out sometime in the future. Thanks for doing this comparison.
@RobertHopkinsArt
@RobertHopkinsArt 8 күн бұрын
I have been thinking of getting an Ibanez Maple SG, the same one a friend of mine had when we were kids. I need the lighter weight that an SG affords since I'm an "old'e guy" now. Besides his SG having superb action back then (1973) his guitar "cut" through the mix better than any guitar I have ever heard. His neck was the roasted maple with Lacquer Finish on top "and" bottom. The Lacquer Finish on the bottom was a downside since my hand tended to not slip around as easily (more Finger-Ease is required). Good stuff, Maynard! I appreciate this video being made. It helps me to hear what I heard many years ago. True story: I loved my friend's SG and he loved my 73' Gibson L6 Deluxe w/ Ebony Neck!
@jonathanstewart4081
@jonathanstewart4081 11 күн бұрын
Super awesome video! I'm curious if the frets in the necks were identical or if the older road worn maple had slightly harder composition.
@handle433
@handle433 20 күн бұрын
Rhett, I think the real change in tone is caused by the dirt in my phones speaker mesh….
@khorsandm
@khorsandm 20 күн бұрын
Great job! I've noticed the difference between rosewood and maple, but could you do a comparison between rosewood and Pau Ferro? It would be interesting to see if those alternatives to rosewood actually sound like it or not.
@trevorm3354
@trevorm3354 14 күн бұрын
Your findings match exactly what I’ve been saying for years and some people call me crazy ha ha. THANK YOU!
@codychickadee5095
@codychickadee5095 9 күн бұрын
Good video. It seems like there are some subtle differences. But not enough to change it drastically. Which makes sense to me.
@SeemsLikeSomething
@SeemsLikeSomething 20 күн бұрын
Surprised how much difference I could hear. The rosewood is a bit easier on the ear but the maple has a bit clearer articulated highs
@ATX0705
@ATX0705 18 күн бұрын
I wish Rhett would've mentioned the exact string gauges he's using on this video. I understand he has another video on that, but it still would've been nice just to make sure exactly what he's using here. Great video, nonetheless!
@danielrosadoguitar
@danielrosadoguitar 15 күн бұрын
Ernie Ball 9s, I believe.
@bassnsax
@bassnsax 17 күн бұрын
Great video, Rhett! I heard more of a difference than I was expecting! The 50's maple seemed to have the quickest attack and the brightest post-attack tone, the rosewood seemed to have the slowest attack and warmest post-attack tone, and the roasted maple had a slightly slower attack than the 50's maple (I was assuming it would have been faster) and for post-attack warmth was somewhere between the 50's maple and the rosewood. Lots of people treat the "Tone Wood Debate" as just binary choices - good/bad, yes/no - but guitars are made up of many different components, each of them creating some kind of variable. Some of these variables can be heard (different pickups, different strings, etc.), and some can be felt (roadworn finish of this 50's maple neck, versus the mega-thick poly finish that was on my Squier Classic Vibe P-Bass's neck; this will be more for the player's own inspiration). Find something you like and go with it, let others go with what they like, and let's all just make some music.
@bobmandarino9777
@bobmandarino9777 4 күн бұрын
This is cool, I did this same test back in 86 when I got my first Strat. I did Maple and Rosewood, I don't think they had roasted back then, but I heard the difference right away and I went with the rosewood. People said I was crazy or I'm just imagining it. Thanks for setting the record straight
@hughesp
@hughesp 20 күн бұрын
I absolutely think woods matter, but I think that when changing necks, there's a whole lot of pieces that are being changed that can impact the sound beyond just the wood. Fret size impacts the fret to wood contact and different fret materials sound different. Even how well seated the frets are matters (an air bubble under a fret can make for a dead spot, for example). Different nut materials sound different. I find tuner mass makes a pretty substantial difference too. I wouldn't be surprised if the type of truss rod makes a difference to some extent too. How the wood is cut (quarter sawn, flat sawn, etc) also makes a noticeable difference. The overall mass/weight of the neck (and thickness) play into it too. We don't get all of the specs of all 3 necks in this video, thus we can't fully say whether it is the wood or something else changing. Regardless, though, I think this video does show that there is more that impacts the sound of an electric guitar than just the pickups (as some people seem to claim).
@snuffbox2006
@snuffbox2006 20 күн бұрын
Also exhaling near the frets causes a microscopic expansion of the frets causing them to be tighter in the slots which makes it sound brighter.
@NicolasGtn85
@NicolasGtn85 20 күн бұрын
@@snuffbox2006 haha Plz dont make fun of ppl that can hear air bubble under frets 🤣 This is like perfect pitch next level 🤯
@smithcustomguitarco
@smithcustomguitarco 20 күн бұрын
laugh but he's right. the good builders know, the good techs know. it's subtle, obviously. the number of people who can recognize these things is exceedingly small even among guitar enthusiasts. there is an infinite spectrum of perceptual acuity. the amount of information contained in a single fretted note resonating through a room from speakers in the cabinet of an amplified electric guitar is incalculable. a representation of it in an audio recording through a microphone is a TINY fraction of that information. and even then, something like fretboard wood is clearly noticable with decent monitoring.
@hughesp
@hughesp 20 күн бұрын
@@NicolasGtn85 Laugh, but it really is a thing. It's rare in a new guitar, but if you ever play a badly refretted guitar, it is a noticeable thing - especially if it is a guitar you played a bunch prior to the botched refret. It is perhaps perceived more as a dullness/lack of sustain, etc compared to other frets more than a clear "tone" difference. More often than not, it also results in the fret not being even too, which can result in some buzzing/sitaring from that fret.
@NicolasGtn85
@NicolasGtn85 20 күн бұрын
@@smithcustomguitarco sure mate, can you also hear the type of glue used under frets? (cyano, fish glue, titebound I or II or III or none) Like UFOs only ppl that believe in it see them.
@BizzleBotTube
@BizzleBotTube 20 күн бұрын
The questions I’m asking myself as I’m listening: 1) string vibration is predominantly between the fret and the bridge, where is the neck wood even playing a part? 2) between changing the necks and the feel of the fretboard, is it likely you’re playing subtly differently and it’s where the tone differences come from? 3) wouldn’t a better test be to have someone else play a few things and then you listen back and try to guess (even better is 2 recordings of the same neck, 1 different) and try to determine which option is the different neck
@MrWill9894
@MrWill9894 20 күн бұрын
The answer to question 3 is yes. This test wasn’t scientific
@Ari_Calamari
@Ari_Calamari 20 күн бұрын
@@MrWill9894That’s the problem with videos like these, people take them for good science. There are so many faults with the methodology here, several of them are quite simple to eliminate. But still Rhett feels comfortable coming to a conclusion with this. 🤦🏻‍♂️
@BizzleBotTube
@BizzleBotTube 20 күн бұрын
I really do like that he did this video (although I may have approached it differently). My biggest take away from these is if it makes you think/feel/play different and that results in a different tone then there is a there there, but in this case I just don’t feel the answer is fretboard wood.
@ModNicGuitars
@ModNicGuitars 20 күн бұрын
The fret is embedded in the neck wood.
@BizzleBotTube
@BizzleBotTube 20 күн бұрын
That’s true. For me, (and I’m not anywhere near as good as Rhett) but my consistency isn’t near good enough for the wood to have a tonal impact vs just my playing being different note to note.
@davespin9034
@davespin9034 15 күн бұрын
I have a satin finished roasted maple neck and LOVE IT. The satin makes it very easy to move around, it is very bright, it feels harder, which it is because the roasting melts the resins in the wood and makes it harder and denser. Mine is a Mexi with 22 frets. Good job Fender!
17 күн бұрын
Finally a real goot test! i'm a bassist so i would love to see this in a bass but really helpful! thanks! (still a mistery the body woods.... )
@TheWhiskeyCowboyLife
@TheWhiskeyCowboyLife 20 күн бұрын
Yes there was a difference. I liked the Rosewood better.
@davidpaul6656
@davidpaul6656 20 күн бұрын
Yes I thought it sounded warmer
@JuddLofthouse
@JuddLofthouse 20 күн бұрын
Drug test required 😂😂
@TheWhiskeyCowboyLife
@TheWhiskeyCowboyLife 20 күн бұрын
@@JuddLofthouse it does not require a drug test. LOL It hinges on whether a person likes a warm tone or brighter/harsher tone. I like warmer tones. So..... there you have it. There is a time and place for both though. I just personally prefer warmer.
@tbirdpunk
@tbirdpunk 20 күн бұрын
@@TheWhiskeyCowboyLife There is no tone difference in fretboard material on an electric guitar. Your pickups and amplifier don't care about wood.
@Masterfighterx
@Masterfighterx 20 күн бұрын
@@davidpaul6656 Which would make sense for a softer wood, which Rosewood isn't.
@astrostl
@astrostl 20 күн бұрын
Anything visible in the waveforms on a computer?
@jameswheeler5260
@jameswheeler5260 20 күн бұрын
He made a reference to the sound of the maple neck being "scooped," which is a reference to it having a different EQ waveform (relatively lower mids and lows from the maple, I'm assuming). I took that to mean that there were visible differences.
@astrostl
@astrostl 20 күн бұрын
@@jameswheeler5260 same, it was that kind of verbiage that made me think it would possibly be visible. And if so, it would be a lot easier to articulate than, "I can hear a difference" because anyone could also see the difference.
@youropionmattersnot
@youropionmattersnot 17 күн бұрын
My first major purchase was a 82 kramer Pacer 2, EVH endorsed with the unfinished maple neck. Next was a late 80s Fender Japanese super strat with rosewood neck. Played both for decades. Still have both but they are stored in their cases. My regular player is a modified Mexican strat with a lacquered finish maple neck. I have a tele with a rosewood neck as a backup which is the Swiss army knife. I always revert back to maple. There is a difference.
@pipeman100
@pipeman100 15 күн бұрын
Great demonstration. My favourite sound was the roasted maple neck.
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