Wow that is UNREAL I wish I included that in the video now 😂😂

Boosted sofa score stats. He'll gat a 7 just by sitting on the bench

@@ebonillusions only you judge Messi with sofa score stats no one needs those stats from corny sites to prove how he player over the years

@@ebonillusions 💀 you have a hater cause idol is washed

@@ebonillusions These stats are from the official leagues, not from WhoScored or any other site. And though they can't be 100% objective, the difference between Messi and the rest of the players is so immmense it overshadows any margin of error.

😂😂 I’ll raise my glass to that haha 🙏

Merge CONMEBOL And Concacaf NOW 🎉🎉 the only way to challenge evil UEFA

yea when portugal won euro ..they say messi is not the goat cause he cant win any international trophy ...now all i can say is ronaldo is not the goat not even top 5 ...all goat won wc trophy😌

@@football.cinema. ha you forgot FIFA qualifier Argentina were about not about to qualify but Messi got them in🐐

Very true..the debate is over if there was any..

How insane is that

Ronaldo in his prime was competing with messi Mbappe in his prime is competing with messi. Ronaldo is 14 years older, talk about longevity.

@@yes-wh1zj with mbappe only being 23, it is unlikely he is at his career peek yet, not that it matters tho... and yea messi and ronaldo both have had insane longevity, although it looks as though ronaldo's career is over now sadly

@@gustavweimann3002 I mean, he just turned 24, that year was the year messi scored 91 goals, which many consider his peak, so we might be seeing mbappe's best.

@@yes-wh1zj in the case of messi thats true, his best season was arguably at 24, but typically athletes dont peek until the mid-late twenties, so mbappe definitely still has time to outdo himself. but yea, its also definitely possible that his best season is past him already aswell, but statistically i think it should be assumed that its yet to come :)

Its really obvious

There was never a debate. Only Ronaldo fanboys, who clearly don't watch football created one. The eyeball test alone shows Ronaldo is a great finisher, Messi as vastly superior player. Ronaldo drains his teams mates for his stats but Messi improves his teammates play. In dribbling, vision, passing, creative play, team play, individual play Messi is clearly and vastly superior. Heck even in their weak areas Messi's defensive play is superior to Ronaldo's who has made a career of refusing to track back and playing only to stuff his stats. And despite all that Messi's stats are all superior. Messi is both the ultimate team player and spectacular individual who can win a game on his own. I'll repeat, there was no true debate, Messi was always the GOAT of this century. Maybe of all time.

Messi for 8th golden ball

Pep and Iniesta said the same…Messi never needed a World Cup to be the GOAT

Debate is by Ronaldo fan boys. It's a luxury for them to compare Ronaldo with Messi

That's the most imp part. That even if you keep the achievements and ability aside. You can still get inspired by his character as human being and how to not give up on oneself.

@@mtk3755 But that is one thing Cristiano will always have over Leo his kindness to fans is unmatched not a single person comes close

Definitely an example of how being humble can endear you to people yeahhh

Except for the Dutch

@@Kure1 You sure about that? I still remember that CR7 had broken a kid's phone and hit his hand. The mother also rejected his apology if I remembered clearly.

Well as long as he’s some kind of goat 😂😂

@@football.cinema. Merge CONMEBOL And Concacaf NOW 🎉🎉 the only way to challenge evil UEFA

@@football.cinema. He's not a goat anymore, he just upgraded to RAM!!

If Lionel Messi is the golden G.O.A.T., then Cristiano Ronaldo is the silvery G.O.A.T.

Pessi is overated

Definitely clear in my book!

How many times should I preach this to people 🤦🏼‍♂️, there is nothing to debate, they are trying to fit cr7 in box that he does not fit , thank you dr lime, nailed it

Thank god he didn’t retire

No, he needed the world cup to take Peles goat spot

@@godfather53 pele was never a goat in my opinion, not only did he play against plumbers, the world cup back then had only around 10 teams lmao and I’m not even gonna talk about offsides not existing when he was playing

@@Euphor1a1997 You make no sense the people you call plumbers worked harder than most do today and had skill like the players we see today

Could’ve been yeah!

@@Kure1 people who I call plumbers we’re literally just people with ordinary jobs and to think that people had the same skill level as today is just absurd.

He is not even close to be the most hard working ever he walks 60% of the game aka same as old CR7 and his mentality and work ethic gets humbled quickly by the average player

Fair analysis!

@@Kure1 it's completely reasonable to pick your moments at 35, otherwise you could be less effective, given how much depends on him while attacking it's a necessity. I didn't say he is the most hard working but he certainly has worked countless hours to stay sharp, that's how you maintain this level for so long

@@Kure1 he walks because it's the way he analyses the field to be exactly where he needs to be, when he needs to be. AND he's bloody 35. He doesn't need to get humbled, because HE IS humble, and has consistedly stayed true to himself throughout the years. Your perceived rivalry with Ronaldo is stupid.

So based!!!! X2

@@magnusthor6259 One of the biggest piles of nonsense I ever read on the internet....

@@AndyCampbellMusic Lol🤣

@@magnusthor6259wasted lots of time for something no ones gonna read

@@AndyCampbellMusic lol

I have not seen any bit of substance in the replied postings. Thats the meaning of biggest piles of nonsense in practice. :))

Happy that you’re happy!!

Trueee

1100 already bro

@@SpeakUp917 I am just giving example, I know It's or 1143+ something now after World Cup

LMAOOO “in this essay I will” type beat

Capable and hardworking defender😂

@@SKPainify Back in the day Messi did his defensive work for his positions. His engine has declined so he doesn't track back as much these days, but prime Messi did his D dues.

@@danielebowman Nope, not true. Prime Messi is False 9 Messi. False 9 Messi never defended.

Messi and hardwork 😭😭

Other guys probably disagrees lmaoo

Other guy? Ronaldo was and is always better like it or not.

CONGRATULATIONS 🎉

Some nations wait 30 years to get out of the group...*cough* Poland*cough*

Messi was also robbed from some other ballondors as well. So it doesnt matter.

Plus he won the FIFA World Cup, Copa America and Finalissma within 18 months , that's amazing

2023 ballon Dor winner definitely should be messi

Messi deserved each and every single one of his Balon d'ors

@@faiyazahmed9138 Indeed.

Thank you man!!

Yeee

pele

@@football.cinema. Actually there is something you ignore, Messi didn't win the world cup thanks to his skills mostly, he won because I asked God to give him victory, to be on the Argentina side, so just to say that in reality this final match for the the WC wasn't really fair. Plus when the penalties came, I asked God again to make the French team to lose 2 penalties, and guess what that's what happened they missed 2 penalties and all in favor of the 🇦🇷 team. So now like Messi is proclaimed to be the GOAT for ever thanks to me actually. You're welcome to not believe this, but it's strongly true.

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Why do you put Ronaldo alongside Messi? It doesn't make sense and it undermines Messi's greatness

@@vwqwe-gh6td From just sheer footballing ability, Maradona matches, you can argue exceeds Messi’s ability. You’re probably wrong though. But from individual statistics and trophies won, he’s nowhere near Messi. He doesn’t have the longevity and consistency as Messi. Peak for peak who was the greatest? You can certainly argue Maradona. But Messi probably still takes that too

@@lukerne9260 even if you think ronaldo is not as good as messi, the fact is this era is not just the messi era, its the Ronaldo and Messi era, this is not me comparing ronaldo to messi, its just facts, statistically ronaldo and messi have been the best in this era, and ita actually close enough and ling enough where it can be called the messi ronaldo era, thats just a fact.

pele was best

When someone appreciates the writing 🥹🥹🤝

Among us

He needs to make room the shelf is full 😂

It’s definitive nowww

I misspoke I apologize!

Coldddd comment I love it 🤝🤝🙏🇦🇷

It was sealed in 2007 lol

Penaldo is nothing without tapins and penalties.

@@ChosenOne563 Cristiano is n4, stop embarrassing yourself, he's brilliant.

@@ChosenOne563 You say penaldo but you don't want to talk about how messi scored 5 pens this wc and only 2 normal goals 💀

That’s where your wrong. Messi didn’t deserve even another chance at copa america. They made 4 copa America’s in the past 6 years and you want to tell me it’s equivalent to the euros ? Get out of here with that garbage . Imagine Ronaldo having 4 euros in the past 6 years. Ya’ll wouldn’t take that trophy seriously . Messi had way more chances to win the international trophy he didn’t deserve. Second , Ronaldo won Portugal’s first international trophy in there HISTORY. Messi plays for a team that has won the World Cup and over 19 titles. Clearly a better team. If Ronaldo by some miracle won the World Cup , he’s 100% the goat winning Portugal’s first one. But you can’t compare them this way.

AGREEED

🎉🎉🎉

Ronaldino already knew there...

LMAO

@@markuss7249 Kobe Bryant tells how Dinho told him Messi was to become the best, Kobe answered "YOU are the best" and Dihno said "Nope. Him"

IM FEELIN THIS

I dont think messi is the goat and i am not debating ronaldo, mbappe etc. Are better players, but from a athlete standpoint, Ronaldo is bigger, faster and stronger so he is a better athlete....

@@eek8605 Ironically Ronaldo is the one who got injured in 2014 and almost never scored freekicks and become a box player while Messi played beautiful football and improved his freekicks and outside the box goal.

@@mdreazhosen5 what does that have to do with being a athlete? The guy is bigger, faster and stronger which makes him a better athlete...i didnt say better player

@@eek8605 Of all the athletes you mention Ronaldo despite he not being one of the fastest or strongest anymore. I think you did realise what the original commenter wanted to say (in case you don't or I am not wrong then the word "Athlete" is generally used for all sports) but yet you feel the urge to comment. Not blaming you. I also felt the urge the comment something completely irrelevant out of boredom I guess 😂. Yes there are other better "Athletic" Athele but I doubt anyone is Messi's level.

Ehhh lost me at the end

Hands fucking downnnn

Fucking crazy.

Some people that don't understand football cannot comprehend this stat...

Tbh I never enjoyed watching ronaldo other than his United days. Like yes his impact in madrid was great,his hardwork determination consistency was great. He chased records to beat messi and i didn't like his approach. Hence I stopped enjoying him play. Even then I enjoyed rooney more than ronaldo. And then messi gave so many moments in comparison to ronaldo. Even Neymar ozil gave more moments tbh just personal opinion though.i honestly wished to have a messi rooney rivalry would have been enjoyable plus if rooney remained consistent he would have rivaled messi more even though messi would still win😅

Unrealll

For a similar 3 reasons please refer to the video 😂😂❤️❤️

And he is a legit hard worker

The reason we say that is because he had someone who could match his skill and records aka Cristiano and along with other greats like Zlatan and Neymar it combines to the argueably best era of football

Dominateddddd

France is a literal *super team,* and Messi beat them. 😮

A privilege to watch him tbh

I hear you

Mbappe be like So I basically don't exist

@@Bra-D Messi won the f**king world cup. If he can get one winning a Copa , then why not after a world cup with the golden ball.

@@jetbhmi6664 Its only the player of the tournament that matters you see this ballon d'Or is purely based on individual performance aka trophies have no say so basically if Mbappe keeps scoring and assisting like before he can take the Ballon d'Oro home

Hopefully they can win the champions league this year toooo

@@jetbhmi6664 Messi's ballon dor era is finished It's now time for him to win the super ballon dor

Thank you man!! 🙏🙏

Maradona 🐐

yeah, Messi let younger players to score goals... he looks so mature and youngsters feels comfortable around him. this is what lacked in another team.

Is that what Christiano was known for?

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Thank you for this comment my friend definitely stay tuned 🙏🙏

Let’s not throw Mexico in there haha but yes!

Makes sense 🤝

Def an attachment, but that’s why sports is so powerful

Thanks for the support brothaaa 🙏

YESSS WELCOME TO THE CHANNEL MAN

Greetings to Scotland!

Agreed mannn

I haven’t even looked at expected goals now I’m curious

There are people who look at stats and then there are the street people who prefer street football and scoring without hesitation which is why the debate will always be there UNLESS Leo ends with more career goals

Respect 🤝🤝

The only individual award which they have always denied him is the puskas award for the best goal of the year,which is quite shocking.Considering the insane quality of goals he has been scoring over the years.The 2015 goal he scored against Athletic Bilbao in the copa del rey final is the most notable one that he was clearly robbed.How that goal was not considered the best is just beyond me to this very day.

Perfect career it’s unbelievable

@@desmondachocky537 yea but that award is more subjective, there is no basis on which to judge the best goal of the year

@@desmondachocky537 there was also that ucl semi final goal against Bayern

@@hna98 Yea,both goals were nominated but they decided to give the award to another lower division Brazilian player for scoring a regular bicycle kick.What a joke,I was thinking then that players should just focus on scoring bicycle kicks every year to stand a chance to win the award.

And I appreciate you and this comment ❤️❤️

I was scared of making the video more than 13 minutes 😂😂

Yes....that save was the best ...we had the French bench running halfway into the pitch thinking they had won the game...amazing save...Argentina was destined to win this cup for messi...

I REMEMBER YOU COMMENTED ON THE NEWCASTLE VID MY MAN 🙏

@@football.cinema. i will be here when you get 2k aswell

I will! Thank you ❤️

Legends respect legends

EXACTLYY LOVE THEM BOTH

@@football.cinema. Also, their rivalry helped both of them to be even better than we ever hoped them to be. Just like Nicki Lauda an James Hunt, you need a great nemesis in life!

Absolutely! Although later Cristiano's shenanigans take some from it. I do have an issue with fanboys calling Cristiano the GOAT, though.

@@antusgabor Didn't know much about Hunt until seeing Rush (a little before the time could remember). I do remember Niki after he came back. Niki had a LOT of character (besides his driving abilities and skills) 1) To come back (and so fast) after the accident. 2) To say "this is not safe, I am not running" whatever the consequences. Cheers for Niki!

I realized I misspoke after , sorry about that

2007 getafe goal and hattrick vs greatest club in history at the death

Ehhh

@@football.cinema. for people who watch football it ended in that period. for social media fans and casuals who only look at numbers the debate existed past then.

I never saw his competition to be fair

True. Also some contextual information is conveniently omitted about Pelé "3 world cup wins": 1) he was never the captain or leader 2) he was never Brasil's top scorer in world cup 3) He played only one full game on 1962 Brasil's title WC 4) He was ONLY ONCE considered the best player in a world cup (1970).

That what we're dimisissing someone era to boost someone up who change pele pele has 3 world to messi won the ball where lot heavy hard to kick pele era was were physical than messi in this era everybody obsessed stats it just like the lebron and Jordan all lebron have is stats and dimisissing and era same thing with messi fanboys it does matter the format if 16 or 24 that doesn't the fact world hard to win to three times is than messi one I'm sorry.

@@sebastienparent9964 ok not sure if your first language isn't English 'cause I could hardly make sense of what you are trying to debate here but you don't have to be a fanboy to appreciate good football! i admit that Cristiano is/was a machine who worked hard and made it to the top unlike all these anti-Messi or anti-Cristiano fans who refuse to accept stats like you said! Messi has more goals, more assists, more trophies, more individual records so how is Pele better than him? Pele played in an era where small non-football traditional countries would get destroyed 8-0 by more superior countries but now you can lose against just about any country. Saudi Arabia beating Argentina, Japan beating Germany, Morocco beating Portugal etc ... the era in which Messi plays in is at it's most competitive with defenders being in their early 20s and playing at their elite vs defenders in their late 30s playing in Pele's era! Messi is the GOAT, end of story! The worse part about all these anti-Messi people like YOU is that you NEVER saw Pele! in fact a lot of ppl didn't, they only see a few videos here and there and think they know about Pele but the truth is that Pele played in an era where TV wasn't even around the world,

Messi has scored with his hand...

@@Kure1 sure? when was it?

Haha

LETS GOO

I hear what you’re saying man, stats are an imperfect analysis but they’re the best tool we have to measure impact, and I try to add context in the best way I can. Ronaldo is a benefactor of his service though this is true while messi creates it all on his own, that’s ultimately why I think watching Messi is more enjoyable too

@@football.cinema. Messi is a magician that creates that chance and ronaldo is a demon who will put it in the net.

Penaldo is nothing without tapins and penalties.

U r right Messi is better it's obvious. Cr7 doesn't score more goals than Messi dude. Cr7 played more matches. After 1000 matches, Messi scored 792 goals whereas cr7 scored only 701 goals. Who scored high? It's messiah. Lot many people do math wrong in this regard.

@@football.cinema. it comes down to what you like which is why i still think its not totally wrong to say Cristiano is the best you see some people like players who strictly play to achieve the best and score Without hesitation and others prefer the simple by the book game Leo plays