I thought it might be fun to find some mechanics in dead card games that would be cool to see again, so that's what I did! Today we got On the Edge, Zombie World Order, and Gundam War!
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@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
If I did a full break down of one of these games, which one would you like to see?
@MotorCityGames6 ай бұрын
Zombie World Order!
@ericjome72846 ай бұрын
On The Edge of course!
@MAXFightMan6 ай бұрын
Any and all of them.
@ren_suzugamori14276 ай бұрын
I know you didn't wanna talk about Gundam, but do Gundam.
@ivancito77905 ай бұрын
@@ren_suzugamori1427 Zombie World Order and On The Edge
@Veralos6 ай бұрын
"Cranked" might be the best tapped-but-we-legally-can't-call-it-that replacement term I've heard yet.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Definitely my favorite. CRANK anytime to control BURGER.
@ericjome72846 ай бұрын
Doomtown, a wild west game, used "Booted"
@Cyberium2 ай бұрын
I like L5R's "Bow".
@xDIABOx2 ай бұрын
A game of Zombies... was... dead on arrival... *puts sunglasses - YEEEAAAAAHH
@alexrivera57476 ай бұрын
Zatch Bell's little card booklet will always be the most bold dead card game mechanic.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Oh that thing sure is bold...
@ValdiosBlaster6 ай бұрын
I've been cooking something with that spellbook component for so long. In zatch bells case I think it was held back by being competitive and also a TCG. I've got a fully functioning board game prototype with the spellbook base as a concept.
@sebastianozezza67164 ай бұрын
Pls share It then! Only other card game i know that does It and work Is codex by sirlin games
@dinifromthehood4 ай бұрын
@@ValdiosBlasterwhere can I see it?
@brandonmichaud80473 ай бұрын
@@ValdiosBlaster If you want to share any updates that sounds really cool i'm definitely interested!
@waltercardcollector6 ай бұрын
Funny you should mention the "every anime has to have a card game" era, I actually have a funny story about that. In the early 2000s, I had just found out about Magic: The Gathering. I tried explaining it to someone at my school, but when I told him that it didn't have a TV show, he didn't believe me!
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
A card game with NO TV show? FAKE. This kid's makin' up games!
@GrapeCheckerBoard2 ай бұрын
Did you tell him about the tie-novels?
@waltercardcollector2 ай бұрын
@@GrapeCheckerBoard At the time, I didn't even know those existed! Lol
@AlbertStone923 ай бұрын
The card game I am currently designing has a grid system where you have 5 landmarks you play in a column format and the minions, items and spells must be played in a row of those cards. Each landmark has an extra effect for minions/tools/spells.
@Sean.Thomas26 ай бұрын
dude your production value is really good, it's better than some MTG KZfaqrs with a thousand times the subscribers
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I try to make the video fun instead of the "static shot of man that talks at camera" and "floating cards in stock footage void" that a lot of the niche seems to do.
@MAXFightMan6 ай бұрын
Great video. As an indie game designer, I spend so much time playing older and less popular games looking for these sorts of ideas, and these are three games I've never learned. Thanks for sharing!
@samuelgames89703 ай бұрын
As someone who is looking for card game design ideas, these are awesome and exactly what I was looking for. Ty so much!
@CardGameCrypt24 күн бұрын
Glad you found it helpful!
@Ssparda-dmc16 күн бұрын
@@CardGameCrypt same as the first com, really cool concept of videos ! thanks for the discovery, sub gain haha
@TSDreamCreative6 ай бұрын
The rotating card mechanisms in Lightseekers and Warhammer Champions I thought was really cool and had a lot of potential, especially if expanded upon to sort of create a network of interconnected cards. Another game I've been wanting to see other people attempt a similar game was Star Wars Destiny. I absolutely loved that game I think some small tweaks and different themes would work great for it.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
oh yeah, the rotating cards in Lightseekers/Warhammer Champions was really cool!
@kraetyz6 ай бұрын
Banding as a central mechanic to a game wouldn't be the worst thing.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
I think the Christian TCG Redemption actually had banding as a central mechanic lol
@woomod24456 ай бұрын
A number of games have done takes on that. What makes banding such an issue is how it interacts with the game rules and is like 3 abilities.
@PragmaticAntithesis15 күн бұрын
Fire Emblem Cipher also uses the mechanic of flipping resources face down to pay for spell cards, though it doesn't do as much as Zombie World Order.
@mr.dominion80496 ай бұрын
such a underrated channel
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Thanks, I'm gonna see how much I can push it this year!
@GrievelornTCG6 ай бұрын
Mom mom wake up, new Card Game Crypt dropped
@GrievelornTCG6 ай бұрын
Also Runeslingers action point/resource hybrid is ripe for the taking.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
@@GrievelornTCG ooh that's a good one yeah.
@MrDraquo6 ай бұрын
2:18 That out of nowhere Soulja Boy reference was a hilarious stroke of genius! Subscribed. For life 😂😂😂👍!!!
@abyssal1136 ай бұрын
Vs System actually hadsomething akin to both the row system (minus the ability to go to a third row) and the dead-characters-dont-die-they-just-change-state mechanic, although there you just recovered one per turn rather than pay to recover them. It really made for some complex boards and combat despite the game usually lasting just 5-7 total turns.
@TempestDacine3 ай бұрын
Earned a follow for this and your 7 games series. Love that you cover tons of indie and lesser known products with your personal opinion without making your likes and criticisms overtake the objective facts. Would love to hear more about your favorite games and such. Also life decking is fine, people just need to stop failing the pot of desires test.
@CardGameCrypt3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Zilopochtli6 ай бұрын
Can't believe Fire Emblem Cipher, my favorite dead card game, uses it's own version of the first two mechanics. Also, as a Chilean, to this day we play a lot of Myths and Legends, and the life decking aspect of the game is the most fun. You get to do micro damage to the opponents resources whenever you attack, even with a 1 strenght card. Also, since "gaining life" is actually shuffling cards back into the deck, the less life you have, the more relevant the cards you shuffle are because most likely that's the ones you are gonna draw next turn.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Myths and Legends is an infinitely fascinating game for me! For some reason they changed a bunch of stuff on the English release of Brotherhood.
@Zilopochtli6 ай бұрын
@@CardGameCrypt That's actually so cool to read from an english speaking person to know about M&L or even had played it, very rare. If there was a way for us to set up a game with translated cards I'd love to play, maybe on Tabletop Sim or something. Right now Klu, the current owners of the IP, are releasing new cards for the older formats and people are getting reprints of cards from 20+ years ago, it's a lot of fun and the powercreep has been kept very in check.
@daem0nfaust6 ай бұрын
LOTR's twilight resources are interesting. I would actually be surprised if no card or board game has reused it.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
That's where you spending resources gives your opponent more resources on their next turn right? That's how Chronoclash and the newest Digimon game work!
@lawrencetyrpa2 ай бұрын
Another fun video with great quality. Thanks for the entertainment and please keep it up! :D
@user-pt7kw6nh9g3 ай бұрын
This post was machine translated from Japanese. Bandai has repeatedly used the "Twice Dead" mechanic like ZWO. For example, Zatch Bell, Naruto, (japan only)Resist in "Rangers Strike" , kekkaishi(結界師)
@nathancarmen16856 ай бұрын
This video was awesome! I’d love to see more like it that highlight unique mechanics in games
@wn44262 ай бұрын
dude this video is really well made
@CardGameCrypt2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Kindlesmith703 ай бұрын
Discarding is in itself a resource in certain decks, and it's that kind of strategy I like. When your discard pile fuels your other cards, or becomes a place you can obtain cards from, it cease to be a burdensome aspect. Mistfall uses a staggered health system. You have a discard pile, and a buried pile. Taking damage generally places cards from your hand or top of deck into the buried pile. Healing provdes restoration points. you can spend each restoration point to either put a buried card into your discard pile, or a card from a discard pile to the bottom of your deck. Pathfinder the adventure card game utilized a method where buried cards are usually out of play until the next session, and banished cards are perminantly removed from your deck for the campign. You can generally only heal by putting random discarded cards to the bottom of your deck. Effects that bury cards are generally more powerful than discard effects, and banish effects are even more powerful. Taking damage generally discards from the top of your deck, but if you are playing well, and RNJesus is on your side, it shouldn't be a problem. I get the topic is TCGs, but card games can have cross over rules.
@jakehollingworth42266 ай бұрын
This was awesome!!
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MrKikke23 ай бұрын
The scrapile, commands, resources and construction sites of Battletech CCG and the way you can attack them is awesome.
@CardGameCrypt2 ай бұрын
That's one of the older games I see mentioned that I haven't got to play yet!
@obsidianroost91976 ай бұрын
That first mechanic you showed off my actually maybe the thing my homemade tcg needs! I am no thief but…….👀
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
That game is turning 30 years old this year. Steal Away.
@W3aveTCG6 ай бұрын
Currently working on my own game that involves a grid system similar to On The Edge, main difference being that you can attack through anything but your attack is reduced by the power of whatever you pass through. Gonna find a pdf of the OTE rules today to see what they did right!
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Oh, that sounds pretty cool! It's definitely an old rulebook, but it's pretty readable.
@MattIsAMage6 ай бұрын
Love these videos every time they pop up! shame i dont know any mechanics to give you to steal
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
That's ok, I'll find some more. Thanks though!
@wertsTCG6 ай бұрын
Life decking facedown is like such an obvious idea, yet no one else seems to have thought if it 🤔?
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
The idea was so OVERT, it was COVERT.
@Ratstail916 ай бұрын
those first two are kind of awesome...
@ericjome72846 ай бұрын
So nice to see On The Edge.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
The first time my friend and I played we were like "Let's do this one, it looks so bad! So many these 90s tcgs SUCK - and the starter decks are random piles, there's no way this will be good. Probably the most fun we had all day playing games lol.
@shadowmarez74576 ай бұрын
me and my friend recently sleeved up some MegaMan starter decks and learned to play. It's a Decent game with some solid mechanics but yeah having your Life also be your Deck is rough watching all your good Battlechips go to the discard pile.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Yeah, RIP CANNON. Didn't need that I GUESS. Megaman NT Warrior is definitely a fun little game.
@ayo5644 ай бұрын
zombie world order had a world of potential (no pun intended), new factions, a zombie theme game would be really cool and the art potential was great
@missingnovgc4 ай бұрын
My heart was destroyed when it started with Zatch Bell slander but not gunna lie, Zombie World Order looks kind of fun. Definitely going to check outbyour video on that
@CardGameCrypt24 күн бұрын
Sorry. Zatch Bell the card game SOUNDS really cool but what I've played of it, it doesn't really work very well...
@RarecuisineSaucegod-ig8bc4 ай бұрын
The life decking mechanic would be neat if it becomes another resource system. Like let me discard cards from it to do things, or search the pile for cards to add to my hand.
@phorchybug32866 ай бұрын
I got my own unique idea for a card game. It uses a lot of D6 dice and plays like a puzzle game like Toon Blast.
@DAAlegendTVАй бұрын
And I thought I knew about card games. You seem to really know your stuff! Subbed
@CardGameCryptАй бұрын
Thanks! I try to dig up all the fossils to see what I can learn from them.
@FabricioKarim2 ай бұрын
I still have my Rage double deck pack ...and that StarWars tcg ...and X-Files too. X-Files have a interesting resource system. In your turn, Agents generate a fix amout Resources per turn, to play Blue or neutral costs. Oponente discard cards to gain Cospiracy, to play Red or neutral costs.
@rikoaries3 ай бұрын
Talk about the Gundam game, sanity be damned
@CardGameCrypt2 ай бұрын
oh boy...I suppose I'll have to at some point
@duane_3135 ай бұрын
I like that Gundum solution to life decking. Pretty kool!
@CardGameCrypt5 ай бұрын
I thought so too!
@longc352 ай бұрын
I would love to see more of these “mechanics you should steal” videos, I love the idea of grabbing good mechanics from dead games but I definitely don’t have the time or ability to track down and play all of these defunct games.
@CardGameCrypt24 күн бұрын
If I come across more really cool mechanics I will definitely do that.
@robertcarsten40506 ай бұрын
I've always thought the Naruto squad and damage system was such a unique idea...... I say without knowing I'd it was stolen or used again by a other game
@AelfricFey8813 күн бұрын
I love Zombie World Order, I wish they would bring it back. I would be ok if they abandoned the "flesh" texture tho.
@Clappincardboard6 ай бұрын
Great video!
@longc352 ай бұрын
That Gore Gwar card gives me kind of a shark vibe which is probably why I thought it said Gore Gawr which weirdly made a lot of sense to me but should really be renamed to Gore Gura, and then I went back and paused the video at which point I realized that Gore Gwar is NOT supposed to be a zombified Gawr Gura.
@CardGameCrypt24 күн бұрын
It's probably a nod to heavy metal band GWAR.
@joe-wi8nj6 ай бұрын
U did it ! You mention a card thingy (😊=card game) that i hsvent heard of ! ❤
@EldricoreTCG5 ай бұрын
Great Video! We actually use Life Decking in our game but we have a cool mechanic called Savior that make it not feel so bad. Instead of focusing on what you lose you're looking for cards with Savior.
@CardGameCrypt5 ай бұрын
Ill have to check it out!
@danielborg64116 ай бұрын
Oh they did resource flip kinda like F. Emblem Cipher, it did the same thing to where colors become colorless resource.
@robrick93614 ай бұрын
Zombie game had cool art.
@commonshaman6 ай бұрын
I want to see all the card games in your collection! 🤣
@tsumgye53706 ай бұрын
yes I would like to see geminis but good
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Might be difficult to do lol.
@okuABR6 ай бұрын
Bro said Grave Robbing 💀💀💀
@ConleyPMusicАй бұрын
Appreciate this video!!
@CardGameCryptАй бұрын
No problem! Maybe I can get another one out soon.
@hymn7322Ай бұрын
It's been mentioned in the comments (by you and others) but Redemption CCG used banding as a central mechanic in battle. The game is still alive today with a new set coming out and National tournament yearly. Banding is still popular and shapes the meta with decks making it a point to stop Banding as their main strategy. Lmk if you want some more information im happy to share as an active player.
@CardGameCrypt24 күн бұрын
Yeah I haven't got to play it yet but I definitely have some starters and packs for Redemption (really old stuff).
@HereticalGeek27 күн бұрын
Thank you for the video
@cantrip76 ай бұрын
I think Duel Masters-style shields have replaced the need for life decking. It's great as a comeback mechanic AND it keeps the game immaculate (no counters etc). But it might be interesting to see a game let you use lifedecked cards as a secondary hand in the spirit of shields/prizes/etc A mechanic I wanna see a game steal is Digimon's memory gauge. It's kinda in-keeping with the theme since it was lifted from a dead game Chrono Clash. Personally, I am SICK of MtG lands/Hearthstone mana, and I love how it joins cost and tempo in a way that's less scripted. Another mechanic I wanna see stolen is the size mechanic in Buddyfight. It's sorta like Vanguard where there are only so many spaces on the field (3), but size is a secondary limitation (usually 4). It means you can't just flood the board with bosses, but you don't have to have a dedicated space for them like in Vanguard.
@Lorry_Draws5 ай бұрын
What's the first mechanic you mentioned?
@cantrip75 ай бұрын
@@Lorry_Draws Duel Masters is the game, (breaking) shields is the mechanic. Digimon (2020) has a similar mechanic with "security".
@kingokaze6 ай бұрын
2Lainz video pog champ, 2Lainz video pog champ! Let the yoink and twist begin!
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
The WHO AND WHAT beings?
@kingokaze6 ай бұрын
@@CardGameCrypt The yoink (snatching up an idea from a dead card game) and the twist (changing it to be a bit different). Kinda like how you Yoinked and Twisted the mechanics from that one Warhammer TCG for your Game Jam TCG a while back. lol
@Argusthecat3 ай бұрын
Banding is actually really simple, and I kinda hate that they stopped messing around with it. The game of Magic is pretty much entirely just trying to confuse your opponent's ability to do math, and that's all banding does.
@MichaelQ14926 ай бұрын
I think Gundam may be the best for life decking, and potentially tweak it where now you could have the choice of either drawing from the main or the damage deck. Maybe a card that strictly only makes you draw from one pile as well.
@MoshiMoshiMan3 ай бұрын
I would love to see you take a look at Wixoss TCG, I have been having lots of fun with it. I would like to see how it compares mechanically with other TCGs I may not know about!
@CardGameCrypt2 ай бұрын
I have a few starter decks but I haven't got around to playing it yet!
@ctvisions5 ай бұрын
You should do a tier list on mechanics
@bassheadgg6 ай бұрын
Do you have any recommendations for any of these card games that would be ripe for a digital version?
@ccgreplay65086 ай бұрын
Gundam War is a pretty solid game, tbh. And the double discard piles thing is def a unique approach to lifedecking
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Yeah I need to build some decks and give it a real go. The starter decks are...not amazing.
@nichan0084 ай бұрын
Have you seen a card game where instead of decking out, the discard pile is shuffled and becomes the deck again?
@CardGameCrypt4 ай бұрын
Yeah, usually the deckout rule is just to keep games from going forever.
@tg44636 ай бұрын
Zombie world order was cool, too bad it just disappeared
@joe-wi8nj6 ай бұрын
Lol. Life decking. I remeber when i finally tuned my winters orb/counter galore/millstone. Horrible control. Its like getting killed in the most agonizing slow. Hope dwindling...kinda...yes i do like cuthulu why do you ask. ❤😊
@elib79116 ай бұрын
Just curious are you still working on your ccg game jam game from a couple months back? If not I would like to borrow some mechnics from that game and try to work on my own take of the 3 lane battlefied system.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Yeah I'll probably go back to it at some point. Never found an artist for it.
@elib79116 ай бұрын
glad to hear that. The project inspired some mechanics that I would like to implement in my own tcg that I have been thinking about designing. More specificially the arrow system with the effects when cards are combined. Otherwise, my game is more so inspired from the artifact from vavle a few years back and mix of the warhammer 40k ccg like you mentions from before. I would love to toss around ideas if you are ever interested on discord.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
@@elib7911 I am on discord yes. You can get to me through the HTCG discord which has a link on the description of this video.
@A_DixonАй бұрын
Can you do a video about Life decking? I feel like things like Digimon and Final Fantasy do it and whileneither is huge, digimon isn't super small anymore from what ive seen. I also just love life decking and want more analysis 😅
@CardGameCryptАй бұрын
In my opinion it is only truly life decking if the WHOLE deck is your life. Shield systems like Digimon or One Piece as well as Damage Zone games like Final Fantasy or Vanguard use cards to represent your life points or damage points, but don't carry the same baggage as "you lose only when the whole deck runs out."
@49798433 ай бұрын
What’s your thoughts on the battle spirits mechanic
@CardGameCrypt2 ай бұрын
Sorry, this is a late response - but the mechanics are pretty neat - I like being able to level up my guys for more power and abilities.
@49798432 ай бұрын
@@CardGameCrypt it’s all good on the late response. This games mechanics is my favorite and it’s one of my favorite games to play
@andrewgallegos61185 ай бұрын
Is it possible that a lawsuit could happen if a game mechanic is too similar to an existing game? Is it ok to take these ideas as long as it’s not the exact mechanics? I’ve always worried about this when making up ideas and come to find out that it’s already been taken by other game companies.
@CardGameCrypt5 ай бұрын
As far as I know you cannot copyright game mechanics, so don't worry about it.
@oscarguzman30174 ай бұрын
Over the Hedge?
@JustinTuthill3 ай бұрын
Life decking is essentially built as a win condition in almost every game anyway so that alone is lame
@linusdogthegameboy19836 ай бұрын
How much does collecting dead card games cost or is most of them just dead stock to people? At least in the English market.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
It depends on the game, but Post COVID everything is a lot more expensive. I've seen games for 25$ a CASE and other games for 1000$ a box. Most of that is on how recognizable the IP for the game is. On the Edge? 20$ for a 60 pack box straight from the original publisher. Gundam War? Good luck finding a sealed box at all.
@Schmoltis6 ай бұрын
If you go to a big game convention like Gen Con, you can find a ton of dead card game for great deals in the vendor halls from stores that don't want to bother selling them online cause how cheap they are. Happy hunting!
@linusdogthegameboy19836 ай бұрын
Cool, I figured COVID put all “geeky” merchandise into a hyper inflation especially for stuff that’s attached to an IP. I’m not really nostalgic for anything nor care for sealed products, but I was collecting older consoles before the pandemic and now after it’s doesn’t even seem reasonable to keep buying old video games unless you really wanna buy up all the Atari shovelware.
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
@@Schmoltis There was ONE booth with dead card games last gencon :( maybe I only found 1, but the guy running the one said a few of the others dropped out.
@alfredosaint-jean96606 ай бұрын
Drink from another well.
@FoxLivestreams6 ай бұрын
Bro I was legitimately already coming up with a system like On The Edge
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Nice! I mean, they aren't really using it any more
@FoxLivestreams6 ай бұрын
@@CardGameCrypt Y’know, that’s true lol
@joe-wi8nj6 ай бұрын
They said zombie to many times !
@pedrohenriqueboscofi6 ай бұрын
Speed racer have a card game?????
@CardGameCrypt6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't think it had starter decks though? Just Packs/Boxes. Or at least that's all I have for it.
@randomrants1486 ай бұрын
I will use them when I make a new tcg I am working my first.