Eldlich players: ha ha end phase go BRRR

@A guy with an anime Profile Pic Because I can it’s the “check the META” argument I hear so often from people who don’t understand why cards like MaxxC should stay banned. Sure it stops META. But also 90% of everything else. So it’s just no fun

A guy with an anime Profile Pic Because I can this is Konami’s fault. They should do more slaughter lists and stop trying to push product with generic boss cards. But even in a format without the modern power level MaxxC is an unhealthy card. Even low power output decks like Salamangreats (seriously am icarus attack+ 1 negate is not super powerful and that is a good board) needs to summon 2 or 3 times. Combined with MaxxC’s ability to be chained to the summon, it will never be a -1. Unless you know the matchup and know you can comfortably shotgun it, but then you already would the game anyways.

Never mind Magician’s Souls, what about Crystron Halqifibrax? That card single-handedly made Crystron a playable deck. It does basically everything Crystrons needed to be able to do to have plays on turn 1, and it has the archetypal name so it can be brought back with Impact. It also enabled literally every deck with Tuners of 2 or more different names and then got banned for catapulting multiple bullshit Synchro decks to the top of tier 1.

@@frankwest5388 Maxx "C" is a necessary evil in OCG and Master Duel. Not everyone wants to sit around waiting for their opponent to complete an extremely long turn, only to basically have to ask to go to game 2 because they didn't "draw the out" to their opponent's board in their starting hand. I'm becoming convinced that Yu-Gi-Oh TCG players are sadomasochists. It's not that Maxx "C" should remain banned in TCG, it's that it shouldn't have had to exist in the first place. But Konami pushed their game to the point that something like that had to be released just to keep things even remotely in check... then banned it _only_ in the one scene where they could get away with continuing to cash cow their game due to a lack of competition, and continued to push things even further. Now there are decks that completely get around Maxx "C". Many decks, like Eldlitch, either build boards in ways that only require a few special summons, or play only part of their turn on their turn and the rest in the opponent's standby phase. Floos outright give the swarm of roaches the middle finger by not special summoning at all, instead treating their normal summons like special summons with every single Floo monster granting an additional normal summon after its effect resolves (plus, Floos also basically take a full extra turn on the opponent's turn).

HAHAA

KILL IT WITH FIRE AND BUILD A WALL TO KEEP IT FROM MY EYESSSSS

"Firewall Dragon isn't that bad" Said no Yugioh player ever.

Same thing with Solemn Judgement, "For a cost you can always pay, stop almost anything."

Why couldn't they just Errata it to be a hard once per turn? It would have at least had the anime writers not write firewall out of the anime

I love that Cimooo comments on this series. Yugioh uses Archetypes very well IMHO but the problem is that it has too many Archetypes!

To be fair. Archetypes restrict monsters more than anything, spells and traps are always that flexable supply of utility and power. But yeah the yeah of dead on arrival decks needs to end.

@@kiraangle2823 "dead on arrival decks needs to end" you mean dead archtypes,right? they are just bad design.

1-"heavily restrict the player into a very limited pool of cards to choose from when deck building" so the game ends with less variety because cards are design with archtypes in mind. A very limiting factor. 2- "As a result, most of these archetypes are dead on arrival because either A. the archetype's mechanics are not strong enough to build a standalone deck, B. the archetype is weighed down with unnecessary summoning restrictions to force you into only summoning monsters with certain types, attributes, or cards that share the same archetype, or C. both. I get messages all the time of people asking me how they can build a (good) deck that successfully combines their two favorite archetypes, but unfortunately, Yu-Gi-Oh! just doesn't always work that way. " the problems of yugioh design summarized in one paragraph. 3- "Another exception to this would be the inclusion of "generic" standalone cards/engines/combos" a very dangerous way to try to correct the base problems the game has.

Is this recent or just a high-level thing? I remember playing the GBA games and I mixed and matched everything happily back then.

yeah but he has an obvious hate boner for the game. he isn't giving it a fair shot.

@@werewolfjedi38 it's his point of view as a store owner.

@@werewolfjedi38 r/whoosh

@@leonmercury3732 I don't agree

@@werewolfjedi38 shoot, wrong comment.

I play cool cow cause when you play him you get to place a cool sunglasses token on your cards. This lets me do tap the card 3 more time to perform a tap summersault allowing me to make that card active again as place another cheese token on the field. Just wait till I get to cheese tasting phase...

@@haosmagnaingram6992 It's the Black Brie (banned card) that lets you perform the tap somersault. Cool Sunglass Tokens just make your cards look funny.

Christopher Fensom In the soon to release Unrivaled Cow set there are leaks of some Cool Cow archetype support the new cards Udder Mayhem and The Cooler cow allow for some crazy tap summersault plays. This set looks hype.

I AM NOW MOOING INFINITE

Lol i thought the same thing.

I can see some favouritism to home with Bushi. Cards are usually cheaper with higher supplies. Bushiroad is also infamous for creating video games that could have boosted popularity (especially with their games' prices) but went with pproviders that feared the term "localisation." Buddyfight is another example of this where the last year of tournaments is only attributed to Japan.

Can confirm its the same for Malaysia too.

VG has a decent american fan base. Weiss Schwarz on the other hand is smaller

I wish I could find then easier here in America...

Part of the difference also has to deal with geographically as well. here in the United States a lot of locations are very focused on requiring a car to get places. A lot of cities do have public transportation but not nearly to the level as other countries like The European Union and Japan, where if you use a combination of things you can get anywhere. Not so much here in the States. The card shop that I frequent has become kind of the Nexus point for Bushiroad games because of its placement. Other shops will host tournaments but not so much carry the product outside of very specific sets that the locals really want.

The irony of a card game with rules that force player specialization, that also forces stores to specialize. (Not dissing Vanguard--just find it amusing).

The Vanguard Store

That's a whole ass ecological event

Invasive species

I have won with a 35 legendary decks against... equally bad decks. With unusable legendaries due to uhm, my limited collection and big brain crafting. In HS, RNG can take the wheel so horribly that you can win with bad Decks. If a deck with almost zero synergy (if you are curious no I didn't have Reno, the only cards that would have made it good...) can do it then yeah, it is nice.

Good times!

go get em solemn

This guy claims vanguard is not selling from anecdotal evidence. Little did he know how fast nextage sold out.

"Granblue zombie-lover" Nightrose says hello

I thought Nightrose was a big titty pirate vampire with shenanigans and riviere is a mild chested beauty that has MANY BS combos

Plus premium is a thing

A simple errata to where it has a hard once per turn would have made Firewall a great card but nowhere near as busted.

@@TheForeverRanger yugioh players dont like erratas and doing an errata to a modern card is unthinkable.

@@marmal612 - Dragun of red eyes desagree

I actually tried to read that card text and I couldn’t comprehend. It’s been a LOOONG time since I’ve looked at ygo, and all I understand is that it bounces shit back and allows you to pay monsters for free

@@Mukawakadoodoo That's the proble, the effecto of summoning a mosnter it's not once per turn, so you could use it everytime the condition was fullfilled, so you gat degenerates combos that allow you to win on your first turn, that card literally got a ton of cards banned or limited.

Eh, I hate yugioh because it’s hard for me to get into it, so I wouldn’t be surprised if his grudge is because of this.

I mean he touched on the fact the game rebooted but the reboot makes it easier to get into since every deck is extremely cheap if ur not going for high rarity versions. Like back then VG decks where hundreds and hundreds of dollars and now decks barely reach $100-120 at base and for each deck.

Well he did make a video saying he hate VG at past. But somehow he delete it. The reason hate VG because he have a bad experience when he make fun of the anime about "is that the card for new booster set?" and hurt a VG fan. Quite sad.

If that's the reason he hates it that's sad on alot of reason

On the plus side, the reboot allowed toxicity that once took years to evolve in the span of a couple months. They didn't learn a goddamned thing. :)

that still leaves 24 (25 including bang dream)

@@genocidegames8423 26 if touken ranbu wasnt counted.

@@summermermaidstar756 ok but just like Cray elemental they don't belong to any nation. The only other 2 clans that don't belong to any nation are non tournament legal. When we say 24 clans, we mean all 24 clans included in set rotation (in other words, the 24 clans you see that have their own symbols)

Now featuring Premium Collection 2020! At least Zazan is (mostly) controlled.

WOTC the past two years, TBH.

I don't think that's a fair comparison - a fair comparison would be if a standard set only had white/blue

They had a basically all black set back in oddessy block I think

from what arena ladder has shown me the entirety of current standard contains only blue and green cards

Yea focusing on 1 color sound crazy, eh.. he..hehe .....Torment

Clearly you don’t see this channel’s biases towards vanguard

But to each their own way

Eh... No. He's far too biased to take seriously. This series is basically "every card game should be like my favorite one or it's bad."

@@TechHug His fav game is Magic, yet the first thing he criticized was Set Rotation. Second one was Lifedecking which truly sucks (I also hate all those mill decks). Exclusive Attributes is an issue, even if Vanguard survives them (and yes, it is a problem with Vanguard given what it led to).

@Haohshin have you ever played the game?

Netrunner did a lot of things really well. Best game ever.

I'm actually watching to see how many of these Android Netrunner breaks, since it also has lifedecking and requires things other then cards and dice

@@alexterzaghi7256 Netrunner has lifedecking but it almost never comes up and while the runner can induce it, it is normally a better idea to then run the bin to win on Agenda points anyhow. Credits can also be easily tracked with dice or pen & paper, as can tags and bad pub. The thing though that originally annoyed me with the game was that certain important game info was formatted as reminder text instead of regular rules text (e.g. whether you had to pay the cost when another card enabled you to play a card, which varied). Thankfully NISEI is doing better in formatting such rules text.

@@chaosof99 I meant lifedecking as in the corperation attacking the runner

@@alexterzaghi7256 Eh, that isn't an outright win condition, as the runner doesn't lose for drawing a card. Also the, corp can't exactly interact with the Runner in most cases unless the runner met certain conditions (performed a run, took a tag and didn't clear, etc.). While grinder decks are an issue and certain cards that fit that archetype are too powerful/annoying (e.g. Kakugo), I don't think that exactly fits the definition of lifedecking.

At this point, i just assume vanguard boosters and cards are pre laced with Copium, as it seems many Vanguard players are always High on it.

I have bad news about the price of yugioh cards in the year 2022.

@@ravdeepbagri1313 at least Yu-gi-oh cards don't expire

I’m 2 years late to this but I love finding this reply thread. “VG players are coping”, immediately followed by coping from a very basic observation about the state of YGO. Also from 2024 when YGO is even more stupidly expensive than it was in 2022, this is all incredibly funny.

I think the dual class cards are a little better than triple class cards, but I'd love to see more of it.

also they don't vomit new sets as frequently as other tcgs do which is always a plus

The stores I talked to were EVERY GAME STORE IN MY STATE and even a few outside.

@@Kohdok are you in NY or am I misremembering? Because that state has a large thriving constantly expanding vanguard community. Regardless, in what world is your *state* not still just your area lmao

@@Kohdok vanguard zero is a gacha machine so its very equiped for absurd levels of product.

I don't know. Because here in the Philippines (wich is a whole Fuckin Country), Vanguard is a nich even compared to other card games. We can still buy Yu-Gi-Oh packs on malls, but Vanguard products? You need to go on a dedicated TCG shop just to buy cards.

And they don't even stock on the most recent releases on the regular. Boosters box are sold by order basis, meaning they wont buy that specific booster box unless someone order for it. And players tend to stop playing the game after a year as soon as they discover the second glaring problem of CFV. The mind bogglingly fast Powercreep.

MTG does favor one of the colors: Green. Just go look how pushed Green is compared to White. White is basically garbage now. White gets no real support, is pushed into a boring and unfun archetype, and isn't viable in competitive formats. When you have 5 colors, and one is so bad that it isn't even played competitively in the premier format (standard in this case) you have serious problems. To top that off, it's been like that for a few years now. While I do agree on your points with Vanguard, using MTG as an example was a bad one. MTG's support of White is a prime example that with even such a small pool of colors, 5 in this case, you can still fall into the trap of basically only giving support to one color: Green, and ignore one color to the point that it isn't viable in competitive: White.

Why are any of them on the chart then?

@@AztecCroc Because they are clans that exist within the franchise of Vanguard. They aren't counted in the 24 because they don't get regular support

@@slyder5597 thansk i was looking for this to write

@@AztecCroc The whole point of that wiki page is to be able to find pages for specific cards. The wiki includes card pages for all the cards, including all the promos.

Isn't that making it a perfect example? I mean those videos are talking about aspects of Cardgames that are causing them to fail so obviously you can't take a positive example...

@@procrastinating6188 Vanguard overall has been largely successful even after the reboot.

@@procrastinating6188 What he means is, Nubatama is a bad example of a clan having large gaps in support due to the large number of clans, since the large number of clans was not the reason Nubatama had large gaps in support.

We have a simir situation in my city in Mexic, it's the third biggest city in the country, but only 2 stores sell Vanguard so the whole community it's on those 2 stores, it helps that those 2 stores and in the same shopping mall that focuses on game stores so literally the costumers of those 2 stores overlap. and yes her players buy whole cases, i remember when there was this Bermuda Triangle only oriduct that had a card that looked like Miku, every single Bermuda Triangle player on the community bought like 4 cases to get the cards.

Still even within the clans multiple different playstyles are available,

Btw, the game is getting rebooted for THE *SECOND TIME*

Hate to be that guy but Anger Blader did everything wrong and deserved the limit 🙃

@@Ian-nn7vg He was the exodia of Vanguard

RIP my boy Angerblader but long live Gaia Emperor

Would have been an easy errata to balance him out honestly. And the fact that he was out for so long and Tachi was still only topping every now and then is just annoying. I just hope they dont overcorrect with Gaia and punch down even further.

DreadfulBoredom Tachikaze’s mechanic currently is to make gauges under their rearguards. They then can retire gauges or rearguards as cost. However, we don’t know what Gaia will do in V-BT10, which will start being revealed next week.

nekocards in melbourne is the oz animart store therefore a company store to bushiroad.

well good for you the only cardshop nearby my area closed because it relied only on vangarbage

@@StigmaKRL it died for other reasons but sure, blame vanguard.

I mean, to their credit: they're the only vanguard distributor in my area and only sell sealed product.

@@StigmaKRL *points to Japan where many stores their now top selling card game is vanguard, points to Cape Town where Vanguard has somehow become a staple in what is normally the market that new things cannot grow * um my dude

As someone who loves TCGs but has horrible social anxiety, I experience them almost entirely in digital form (so I've been waiting 10 years to play Vanguard with people lol) and now that there's a western accessible digital online game of it... I gotta say what you've written here is incredibly apt to my experience of the game so far too. . Went into the game thinking "I'm probably gonna rush Think Tank or Grappler" ended up not rushing any single type and instead slowly building better and better versions of every type available. . And I've found myself really getting into types I never would've considered before as a result (for example, I've never been a dragon or power deck kind of fan yet I am repeatedly excited each time I get more cards for my Kagero deck). . It's pretty neat.

I don’t know what you’re smoking, but that isn’t the case at all. Every deck in vanguard has to be updated once a new set is released because what they release is up to date with the current power level of the game. For instance, granblue was really bad when it first came out, but since it was only the second set it matched the power level of everything around it. Fast forward a year later when it got more support and aside from the triggers, the whole deck was power creeped to match the new leveling power. While you can play with the older cards, the continued rise in power makes upgrading each set a necessity. This necessity also raises the price of the better new cards to around the point of what staple cards in other games are. The lack of any crossover between decks also increases the barriers to entry for players because you can’t use copies of cards in more than 1 deck. Yugioh has hard archetypes but also has none of the problems that Vanguard does.

@@OneWingedRose Sure in the mobile game that is the case because you can rather quickly get new cards even without putting money into the game but in the physical game you'll have a hard time putting together more than three decks with booster pulls alone unless you have people to do trades with, even if these are just budget decks only containing the cheaper more common cards since you might buy a complete booster box and end up not even getting a playset of a common card you need.

Right I did a video on this guy not to long ago about his problem with vanguard

I was wondering about that. Not a Vanguard player but I'm in love with the artwork.

They also had a rule that stated that the effects of cards couldn't be activated unless their vangard was of the same clan. I think that helped. There were also a few cards that specifically said, "cannot attack unless Vangaurd is same clan". Though I did stop playing Vanguard because I litterally could not build the decks that I wanted. I had to buy the premade decks and then try to modify them. That's all that I could do.

They changed the rules as they realized that people were only using one clan for their entire deck anyways. You’ll get that when most of the cards demand you play other cards of the same clan, and especially when pretty much only the good ones did that. My guess is that they were paranoid about the issues listed in this video but then realized that people didn’t mind too much and they could save card space by removing clan restrictions.

There were also clans with Card Pools so small they could not be made into a stand alone deck *Cough* Nubatama *Cough*

But by that time most clans has enough cards to make a single decent deck (not counting nubatama) Also this system gives a particular play style for every single clan (not counting genesis cuz they do whatever the f*ck the want)

If anyone remember Legion Era, that era was wild with the clan mixing. Genesis-shadow witches, Royal-shadow thing-abyss, Cat Butlers, and obviously Frozen Ogre in EVERY deck because the tutor is so goddamn good.

Zazan: may I introduce myself?

Funny that vanguard also has bangdream now :v

@@christhiancosta1844 Well this aged poorly....

christhian costa no, you got put to 1

Zazan is is like 1 of a few staples. Sebreeze and arguably Dizmel are the others and they're not main deck cards Cray Elementals are generally very Niche.

There's an online simulator?

Seriously, do anyone really play Premium format though? Without it being cassual?

>Commander

@@bryanmerel As a matter of fact, yes. It still has official yearly championship series, same as the standard format. I enjoy it more than standard and am going to a premium shop tournament again this weekend.

@@bryanmerel yep just play zazan

@@StigmaKRL Pls #ZazanZero

eh, that's people just hacking in unmixablith

DualSwordBesken I like the color restrictions as it makes you think more which cards go into your deck since it's a singleton format so you won't have access to the best combos immediately. You need board wipes to stay alive against your opponents combos, get tutors or card draw to get to your combo pieces and maybe even put in some rogue tech cards or ideas that supports your commanders main strategy of playing. It's a good way to use limitation as it makes you think which cards to use instead of chucking in 99 random cards.

That sounds so similar to the Divine attribute and the Divine-Beast type in Yugioh lol

Cray Elementals aren't even a clan they're more like a race and are just an archetype of card that can be played in any deck we're just getting a Cray Elemental Deck in Premium Collection 2020

Then a thing to keep in mind: How much of the market is held by whom? That'll make it harder to get in.

I disagree on what you said about YuGiOh as it is entirely possible to make a different deck based on Archetype, for example, with Adamancipator, their different way of making it, one version made us of another archetype GoGoGo, which got a top 32 LCS and just a basic Adamancipator got top 4 PPG, in fact, you can see with it one other meta deck Eldlich as in the same event the top two where different variants, one was a Syncron version while the other used the Invoked engine. While there have been tier zero deck, Spyral, Zoo, PePe most have been dealt with the ban list.

"Konami basically gives you the decklist with almost no room for own card choices (since even in theme some cards are WAY better than other ones). On the other hand... the type and element really didn't matter for quite a long time." This

I miss that game so much, it was so unique

There's also a lot of reasons this is tolerated with Netrunner. For one, Runners and corporation turns are very different and have very different objectives, so mixing just wouldn't work from the start, but also, Netrunner being an LCG helps mitigate the "two deck prepping" side of things, since you're not going to be fucked by pulling only netrunner cards in a booster.

Also, Netrunner failed as a tcg before it was revamped as an lcg for this exact reason. I think the LOTR tcg from Decipher did this excellently. You played 30 good side and 30 bad side cards in one deck and alternated turns between the 2 sides.

The difference is, Netrunner requires you to havr both types of deck. So a Hacker will always has a Corporate Deck to fight and vise versa.

I'm pretty sure he's aware. They aren't really worth mentioning, though, because those are supplemental to the main product releases.

Pre-Constructed decks have always (or for very long) been a thing. I think they're not necessarily aimed at long-time players, though - they are for people who want to get into Magic or try out the new expansion. Back when I started they used monocolored, smaller decks in the core sets (40 cards for one color) while the expansions mixed things up (Mirrodin, for example, had white, green, red and black/blue). Long-time players probably won't bother and buy boosters straight away.

The difference is that those are supplemental sets and there are more options than only blue and white decks with those kinds of products. A more accurate comparison would be like if the next standard set (which, at the time of writing is Zendikar: Rising) only included blue and white cards. With that kind of comparison you can see a pretty clear issue.

They have done this in the past with sets and blocks in the past. Check out the sets Torment (mostly black) and Judgement (green and white) both from Odessy block. Then the two Mirrodon blocks (but did include work around in these two blocks).

@Dovahgatr for me its GC, Link Joker, and bermuda triangle.

Exactly, I've got a Kagero That I haven't changed a thing about in nearly three years and I can still hold my own in local events.

But can you actually use the unsupported clans in torunaments? If in a new sets 5 clans gets tons of cards and the others get nothing, i would expect that those 5 clans would be better than anything else because every card game has powercreep. But then, for the next turnament you can't use those 5 clans anymore because other 2 sets came out and there are 10 clans that powercreepd them. So, while the price of a single deck may be low, i doubt you can take the same deck over many tournament whitout getting destroyed.

Buying one or two sets a year isn't really cheaper, that's about standard in mixable games and factor in that most of the relevant set is irrelevant to your deck and any cost per pack advantage evaporates as well. It's arguably deceptive but it ultimately just evens it out with other games at the end user level. So it's fine. Everything he said about retailers still holds true. I know one game store still trying to clear their old stock and three that closed with a couple stacks of boxes taller than me. The only official competitive play I've EVER seen on my side of the Mississippi was at an international pan-industry convention, and that was only at Bushiroad's retail booth rather than a designated play event

@@noukan42 a lot of clans with cards from their previous sets still hold super well against newer cards. Newer cards introduce a slightly stronger mechanic compare to their previous ace card. Power creep is still there but after reboot they don't want to over killing it like back in G Era.

It can STILL hurt: try running a local game store yourself (in a NON tournament part of the world as such tourney's (the big ones) are always in Singapore and Malaysia) and find that you cannot just have one product, you have to have a mix, various TCGs (including the OG, MAGIC THE GATHERING) and Board Games (from classic to wargaming) and pen and paper RPGs (D&D, VtM, Shadowrun, any number of tabletop rpgs). Approach this from his perspective and not just your own. The board games by the way can range in price from 15 for smaller games and EXPANSIONS to 30 dollars for bigger games, hell EVEN higher in some cases. Card sets (whole boxes with core and boosters) can run from 20 to 30 (if I recall because a big SET of cards ran up to 20 in Walmart)

Doesn't that run the risk of your deck like getting powercreept?

As if other games don't have powercreep ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@Teddy-od7lp sure, but at least decks generally get support at roughly the same time, so the reason your deck isn't good isn't because the devs assume you have support you will only have in 3 months.

@@suddenllybah to counter this bushiroad gave "power level" on each set like for example, royals had much support in the first season due to being the main character's clan but each support that royal got isnt gamebreaking in any means, on the other hand every bermuda set that releases once per year receives a lot of power that is going to survive the meta for months (looking at you melody and riviere support)

@@suddenllybah heres the thing the deck he is running is basically the meta for like 4 months last time

More and more Card Shop in Japan are now dropping Vanguard for Digimon TCG.

I feel you bro. 😂

Yup, reptiles are some of the most deprived monster type in Yu-Gi-Oh. 😂

Zeal go brrr (but yeah you're right)

You are forgetting something. Yu-Gi-Oh players also do "Box Breaking"(yeah, thats what you call the thing you just described), but unlike in Yu-Gi-Oh that the secondary market is just a Viable option, In vanguard IT SEEMS THE ONLY OPTION. You seems to misinterpret the problem as people only buy cards online, instead of understanding that the problem is that the only practical way to buy Vanguard cards is on the secondary market because the primary market is oversaturated with specialized packs that not everyone can actually benefit from.

In my opinion, vanguard should hve really stuck with just around 5 to 6 clans and just make the newer clan a "sub clan". For exampla, Bermuda Triangle, Aqua Force, and Grand Blue are all 3 clans based on the fuckin ocean. Its so redundant that they nees to create 3 water based clans. How easy is it to just merge this 3 to be a single clan and call it "The High Seas" for example and make the Bermuda Triangle, Aqua Force, and Grandblue a "subclann" of thise new high seas? That way this 3 can share supports while still benefitting with each other on their own. 😒

That way, if bermuda has lacking of support, it can borrow from other member of the high seas for it. I mean, they kinda have done it with Nova Grapler's Death Army and those OTT's battle nun archetype that i forgot the name of.

Bryan Hernandez that doesn’t work. Especially with v series. The clans aren’t related to each other at all based on their lore location or colour. Bermuda Triangle, aqua force and gran blue play VERY differently from each other. Gran blue sets on milling and revival. Aqua force is the amounts of attacks it can perform in a turn. Bermuda Triangle... does whatever it wants, melody is based on sharing all your grade 3s ability’s with your other grade 3s that can share abilities, then you have coral, and rivière etc. But you can’t just combine the clans together, since it would be harmful to the games balance. A way to deal with aqua force is to try and wipe their rear guards since they have limited draw which would be used to having to rebuild their board. To deal with gran blue you can just stall them long enough since they can mill themselves out. By just combing those together, you could take cards like glory maelstrom (aqua force, able to make your opponent only guard with 1 card) and combine it with skull dread dragon (gets something like +2k for each card in your drop zone) and it’s even more ridiculous with imaginary gifts, “oh, I need an extra turn to win this game, I’ll go protect” or “oh, I can just kill my opponent with an extra rear guard to attack with accel” and this is all just with those two clans. The clans act like archetypes, with a playstyle and theme unique to each clan. With vanguard you build multiple decks as well, you’d be hard pressed to find a player stuck with only 1 deck. I have 7 just in v series, and with the no boxes I’m planning on upgrading 4 of them, and building 3 new clans. Even if a box doesn’t have a clan you currently play in it, a new card to play that current play style or a different looking card can attract you on picking up a box to play that clan. And these argument act like you can’t just buy cards online? I have never had issues without a vanguard card store in my area, I’m upset that we can’t really hold local events, but I’m still able to play the game and buy cards. I can buy singles if a new box only has 1 clan I’m interested in, which will reduce the price of the deck significantly since I’m not buying boxes for it. Or I can buy a box online if there’s multiple clans I want to build. A card store is completely unnecessary for my enjoyment of the game. And the way they release boxes for vanguard is different anyway. They release clans in lots of 4s for main booster boxes. 3 for extra booster boxes. And then they release stuff like Bermuda in a box of their own. And it’s not like it’s completely random as well, there will be at least 1 clan you’re interested in even if you don’t want to buy that specific box (which is where buying singles is handy) Clans like mega colony, spike brothers and tachikaze are almost always released with each other, so if you like all 3 then boxes like that are perfect, and if you only like one, if you have a locals group (which you should considering you’re playing the game) you can discus it with them and see if they want to split boxes for the clans. I want a lot more boxes for vanguard than I do for games like yugioh or Pokemon, where it might be the odd one card for the deck I have that I’ll want, or 4 or 5 sets Until a new archetype looks fun to play, but they hard print the archetype so I’m getting actual unusable garbage that I can’t use looking for cards I want

Sorry if my previous comment was too long or I sounded angry. I’m passionate about the game and I do agree with the point that pumping out box after box is insane. But the clans work kind of like archetypes from yugioh, where you can’t really mash 2 together all too well, but vanguard can since the clans are isolated to themselves, you don’t have to worry about making something so generic that it had to be banned since the ban list was created (pot of greed) even though recently vanguard has been a bit out of hand with needing to ban cards

you could sum it up as: current vanguard trial decks don't suck balls, so it makes up for some of the release issues.

Exactly. We're always kind to our game shop and let our store owner which sets you should order a lot of, and which you shouldn't buy more than a bit of, as we can see the card lists in advance. It's just common courtesy for a card game that releases product that wont appeal to everyone.

Yes. Dear God, I sure hope they don't take MY advice...

We hope to the gods. The problem is, THE FUCK WITH THAT *OVERTRIGGER BS?*

Its also quite not left a good impression, ad they killed a new format in less than 3 years.

Gee I sure hope not.

@@bryanmerel i dont think overtriggers are really that broken since you can only have one in a deck making it less frequent to appear and its effect doesnt give more critical or anything it just gives you a guaranteed hit

@@shidqihadi i am not talking about it being brocken. I am talking more about how Bulshitroll can't let go of their LuckSac roots.

Probably fan made. XD

As a Cardfight player, I would agree with you in the G era. Especially since I'm a Bermuda and OTT player. Nowadays? Good luck on more than 2, mate.

@@christopherbennett5858 Bermuda gets support once a year, of course as a Murakumo main, it was just as bad

Well do I have news for you, 2 years later

Getting a magic player to play anything besides magic is like trying to get a toddler to eat their veggies

Except the reason for him not getting in is that only dedicated stores are into it. As he stated, the store nearby his home is not running the game at all.

That's correct, but it was highly discouraged as many cards had an ability where they lose power if their vanguard isn't part of their clan. So did the triggers, as mentioned in the video, they wouldn't activate unless you have a card that's part of the same clan on the field. To be fair, they didn't implement it until 2018 because of the reboot they did that year. The game launched in 2011, where clan mixing was allowed, but, it did already highly discouraged clan mixing 7 years before the implementation.

@@katz5146 thnx i'm not really sure cause i started playing around the beginning of g era

A few years ago he made a video explaining why he hates Vanguard and it's long since been deleted. I recommend looking up the reactions and reviews to said video on KZfaq.

Part of the problem is that if you liked certain clans (back during a specific time) you just got fucked when your specific set of cards were either not amongst the offerings on the site or just got done with a run in the store meaning it is now at bottom tier. Plus he is speaking from a LGS owner perspective too.