“Cutting out the middleman yourself.“ That’s quite the burn against MVMT’s marketing
@670ramy2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was hilarious haha
@edesbalazs25 күн бұрын
Middlemen are crying in agony all over the world 😂
@deathclaw014 жыл бұрын
The Saphire crystal alone swings it for the Cadisen.
@JMNTN3 жыл бұрын
That depends what you want, a sapphire at this price will usually be flat. The mvmt has a domed mineral. A sapphire on spec doesn’t necessarily mean better.
@nedlan18572 жыл бұрын
@@JMNTN no, sapphire is always >>>> than mineral glass..better reflection, better scratches resistance, and thats all what you need
@M1szS2 жыл бұрын
@@JMNTN it does, idc how much domed mineral glass is, more its gonna get scratched way easier. sapphire is pretty hard to scratch while mineral glass literally scratches from anything
@westerling8436 Жыл бұрын
@@nedlan1857 plus looks gayer on the wrist
@TheKreattion4 жыл бұрын
So for 200 pound you buy a brushed case and a logo. And its a logo that doesn't even garner respect or prestige. Absolutely hilarious
@MrMadvillan4 жыл бұрын
you forgot to mention the box ☝️😐
@lukasderstecher45824 жыл бұрын
And the nicer looking movment
@MrMadvillan4 жыл бұрын
DasZiwi 💄🐷
@Emperor-Of-Karma4 жыл бұрын
And the hacking feature
@PabloSanchez-qu6ib4 жыл бұрын
You also buy a domed crystal that will become a nice scratch magnet.
@TNTTestificate4 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I used to actually want a MVMT watch... thank goodness now I am more informed
@mr.nothing28154 жыл бұрын
Me either, everyone has mistakes
@TNTTestificate4 жыл бұрын
@P M B lmao no luckily. I got a starking with a seiko nh36a. Not exactly a "premium" automatic but the value is really high on this one. Especially since I can't get a seiko 5 under £100 here in the uk lol
@TNTTestificate4 жыл бұрын
@P M B Yeah I really did want to get a seiko 5 but my absolute maximum budget was £50 and even that was with begging my parents lmao Unfortunately they didnt let me spend any of my own money, if they did I would have gotten an snk or skx. I think I hit the goldmine with my starking tho, its only losing about 0.7 seconds a day which is pretty epic
@TNTTestificate4 жыл бұрын
@P M B the sarbs are cool. Most seikos are actually lol
@TNTTestificate4 жыл бұрын
@P M B lmao I have self restraint and a severe lack of money so i think ill be fine
@watchandjewelryloft47134 жыл бұрын
As someone who is in the watch repair business, I called MVMT out in the beginning. 99% marketing company/1% watch company. But, today it seems like the market is being flooded with these brands popping up everywhere! Make it stop.
@alwong6044 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the success of MVMT only means this garbage persists. Even if you only had one tenth of MVMTs success, you become a millionaire.
@G1CAAAAEO4 жыл бұрын
What's your opinion on the £69 ALIEXPRESS Watch? Would it last for long and is it repairable?
@Crackity_Jones.4 жыл бұрын
@@G1CAAAAEO Thats a common Miyota movement and supposed to be reliable. It would be easy to even replace the whole movement if anything went wrong in the future
@MotherAlgorithm3 жыл бұрын
Avoid china
@litamtondy3 жыл бұрын
Many people would buy a fake luxury watch because 'tHey ArE sO SiMilAr ThEy ArE tHe SaMe!'. I think buying a trashy Chinese rebranded watch would be an improvement for them.
@onometre4 жыл бұрын
"as useful as an inflatable dartboard" I haven't heard that one before. I like it!
@jananilcolonoscopu40344 жыл бұрын
Cadisen is a pretty high quality watch brand. Good materials, nice designs. Unlike MVMT, which frankly sets its prices at insulting levels. Another great, informative and thorough review. Cheers for the content.
@-eMpTy-4 жыл бұрын
Although they do copy style elements from Rolex and AP for their newer models, I have to agree. I got the original C-1032G with the Seiko NH36A automatic movement and sapphire crystal and it's been running for more than ½ a year now, flawlessly. Got it for a really good price too (45€+ no import tax off AliExpress on 11.11)
@hasnat95452 жыл бұрын
@@-eMpTy- I agree. My opinion either choose Old & trusted brnds or buy a good Chinese copy warch from aliexpress or other sites.
@JasonTheWatchGuy4 жыл бұрын
Just confirming what we all knew, MVMT are throwing their logo on cheap Chinese watches and increasing the price! Love the Cadisen, bargain for the price and would much prefer to have that on wrist than MVMT.
@1810754 жыл бұрын
Cadisen and Starking over mvmt all life long
@rehakmate4 жыл бұрын
At least they are not trying to be something that they are clearly not.
@zachsmith17313 жыл бұрын
Ive literally seen mvmt watches on Ali Express with a different logo lol. They're clearly just rebranding cheap Chinese
@kadajawi65673 жыл бұрын
@@zachsmith1731 I think that holds true for DW. With MVMT I think their designs are more unique, however anything that's even half way successful gets copied in China. You wouldn't say that Rolex are clearly just rebranded Chinese watches. The big question is who came first, and Ben seems to think the Cadisen is a copy of a MVMT watch (though that design is rather generic, so who knows). In any case, they aren't identical. Please watch the video before commenting.
@zachsmith17313 жыл бұрын
@@kadajawi6567 lol what? Uh I have? I'm not the only one saying this exact same thing on this video. People (including myself) have called them out on this. Before MVMT became a name I saw it's shit on Ali express. Clearly their supplier is chinese.
@jarrod74654 жыл бұрын
I like how there's a display back for showing off that generic $10 miyota movement
@gavindalziel90224 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine was blown away in seeing the movement in one of my cheaper watches,he'd never seen it before & straight away assumed it was of a higher value than it was, a little knowledge goes a long way!😂
@TheAechBomb3 жыл бұрын
I like exhibition casebacks, even on cheap movements
@Ben.N3 жыл бұрын
Still cool
@MH-fb5kr3 жыл бұрын
Needn’t be a snob about it.
@nomadben3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAechBomb 'Tis nice to be able to see the inner workings, be they cheap or expensive.
@joshuaposton10704 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking down these pop up low quality watch companies and supporting higher quality sometimes less known brands You saved me a lot of money by making me get a pagani design chronograph instead of a vincero
@benjamincarlson48933 жыл бұрын
It will always be funny to me that you can spend $12 on a casio and have far more street cred than a MVMT will ever have.
@SianaGearz2 жыл бұрын
White people privilege. Someone with a little darker skin gets put in Guantanamo Bay for that.
@cherrypepsi28152 жыл бұрын
@@SianaGearz huh?
@arafatjahangirhridoy75772 жыл бұрын
@@SianaGearz For what? 😶
@SianaGearz2 жыл бұрын
@@arafatjahangirhridoy7577 160 people were held at Guantanamo bay with the only piece of original evidence against them being the F91W Casio watch - allegedly a sign of Al Qaeda according to the CIA training documents. Then these people were tortured and under torture implicated themselves in crimes which most of them probably had nothing to do with.
@arafatjahangirhridoy75772 жыл бұрын
@@SianaGearz Wow, one of the many reasons I refuse to visit USA even for a short trip.
@mdrglxix36994 жыл бұрын
Almost die laughing when I read what the discount code was for MVMT watch!! bravo!!!
@Em-fz6eb2 жыл бұрын
lol the hands not having lume while the dial does is freaking hilarious. they're a little confused but they've got the spirit!
@hectorandem29443 жыл бұрын
MVMT: "You took _EVERYTHING_ from me!" Cadisen: _"I don't even know who you are..."_ Imagine if Cadisen lumed the hands rather than the hour indicators.
@tonyphillips87264 жыл бұрын
MVMT = Garbage (naturally) Cadisen = Cool
@garethhanna91734 жыл бұрын
Buying the Cadisen leaves enough change to buy an Nvidia Shield Pro on which to stream excellent content such as this pointing out the ridiculous mark up on fashion brand watches made in China.
@TheChadWork20014 жыл бұрын
Caddisen wins: Sapphire Better legibility Less expensive The MVMT is too expensive for the low quality.
@weedsmokinator4203 жыл бұрын
Only one disadvantage with the Cadisen. No hacking.
@junwoojang29414 жыл бұрын
That lumed dial but no lumed hand got me rolling lol
@junwoojang29414 жыл бұрын
And of course, I'm in for Casiden for bang for buck. As for brand recognition, I'll go for Cadisen.
@victorxD273 жыл бұрын
I own a cadisen, using everyday for a year. This thing is fucking great. Paid 30$ for a c1032, it has nh36a movement, Saphire crystal, solid and well built casing, came in a nice bracelet... It was a steal
@jimmylives3 жыл бұрын
What else to look while buying a watch?
@triv45552 жыл бұрын
@@jimmylives Some of the things I look for in watches are craftsmanship and quality, which can be shown in a lot of the 'finer' details of the watch (dials, hands, crowns, etc.)...watches that have rudimentary, basic shapes/designs are usually lower-quality; conversely, watches that have much finer details and engravings/embosses (rather than printed names) are usually seen as higher up. But there's a lot of other factors like what OP mentioned, and more
@waqarhaiderawan88454 жыл бұрын
"... a certain KZfaqr who sold his soul..." All of us know who he is 😸
@sjdjeja7564 жыл бұрын
Who?
@sjdjeja7564 жыл бұрын
Is it that ripped dude with the annoying voice
@waqarhaiderawan88454 жыл бұрын
@@sjdjeja756 Tiege & Hanley
@waqarhaiderawan88454 жыл бұрын
@@sjdjeja756 yo!
@sjdjeja7564 жыл бұрын
@@waqarhaiderawan8845 oooh alpha m thats right hahahahha
@Jabber-ig3iw3 жыл бұрын
The Cadison packaging is almost identical to usual MVMT packaging
@Justsome_Randomdude4 жыл бұрын
These two college kids bamboozled everyone who bought their watches.
@facelesspodcaster55943 жыл бұрын
Lol true good for them. We all get bamboozled
@lukefromtonight4 жыл бұрын
Mineral at that price? Mvmt have some balls! Great review Ben 👍
@ronch5503 жыл бұрын
What really blows my head off is how MVMT markers itself as selling you a watch at very fair price, cutting out the middleman. WTF.
@wademullis73774 жыл бұрын
I have a cadisen automatic mechanical on the way and am looking forward to receiving it. I have a number of Chinese watches that I bought off of AliExpress and I am happy with all of them.
@mikecosslett14214 жыл бұрын
I've bought a couple of cadisens from Ali express there always excellent value and quality for the price
@Versatech173 жыл бұрын
when your friend copies your assignment. Or maybe in this case, you make assignments for your friends.
@cerberus38384 жыл бұрын
I would love to see brands like Rotary or Sekonda reviewed. I always see them in a jelwellery shop window but rarely see them on KZfaq wristwatch channels.
@WatchmakerErik Жыл бұрын
Great video, Ben! Just FYI the scalloped texture on the movement in the MVMT is called "Geneva Stripes".
@TheWatchtowerWatchReviews4 жыл бұрын
Cadisen are a great watch brand, going to be reviewing one on my channel soon! Excellent value for money
@bogrot694 жыл бұрын
I've picked up a couple of Cadisen watches and the quality is really decent considering the price. It's a shame more people aren't willing to a little research before parting with their hard earned.
@hectorandem29443 жыл бұрын
All that marketing isn't going to pay for itself. 🤷♂️
@WatchmakerErik Жыл бұрын
They both look great. But I would take the Cadisen because it's got the better glass. I'd even spend the 45-60 on an 821A movement to fire into it to make it perfect, and still get a ~150 dollar discount. And at this point, I would even pay EXTRA money to avoid the MVMT logo.
@kleanovodust-bin694 жыл бұрын
Whilst I love the diameter of the Arc, but in my opinion the Cadisen one is the rational watch to buy. Why paid £200 more to downgrade to mineral crystal and only paid for the brand only? The Arc isn't a bad watch also, but the price and the spec are really insulting. Cadisen is ice cold MVMT, well, uncool.
@Mister_Phafanapolis4 жыл бұрын
I like the style of the Arc but I'm not paying $300+ USD for a MIYOTA 8,000! If it was 9015 or an NH35 I might go for it. No hacking = NO BUY
@kleanovodust-bin694 жыл бұрын
@@Mister_Phafanapolis the Miyota inside the Arc is already a hacking movement.... Only Cadisen's Miyota movement that doesn't hack.
@Mister_Phafanapolis4 жыл бұрын
@@kleanovodust-bin69 Citizen/Miyota has been quietly updating the 8 series with hacking for the last year or so. Some watches/movements have it and some don't. You can't tell because the movement model numbers are the same.
@bryanharrison38892 жыл бұрын
I will say that while the mvmt version probably hit the international market first, the cadisen was probably around for longer, and was the base model used for mvmt to "design" their watch off of, which most likely uses the same case (of course with different finishing, which would esplain the slightly smaller dimensions, if it was further machined and made to be a matte finish) and the crystal being different, etc is all "standard" options for when a company approaches a chinese manufacturer to produce their products. They submit a design and the chinese company goes through their already established designs for a similar "skeleton" ot start on, OR, the company picks a preexisting design, then submits the changes they want, and the factory modifies their tooling to make the new product, and a minimum order is decided upon, payment is made, and they go to work. The Cadisen is the "base" watch that the factory used to make the mvmt watch from. This happens all the time with COUNTLESS products from guitars and drums to disposable razors. I know this because I have ran a business at one point where chinese manufacturing was a possibility, and that is exactly how they appraoched my needs. I said "I need this product made to these specs" and they said "oh great, we have 5 products that meet those basic specs, pick the one you like the best and tell us what changes you want made. We can change XX, YY, and ZZ, with no additional cost and can put whatever logo you want on the item. For an additional tooling fee we can change XXX, YYY, or ZZZ. Let us know what changes you would like made and we will quote you a lead time" That's why these watches are so similar, and its not because cadisen copied mvmt. Its because mvmt bought the manufacturing modifications to turn the cadisen that already existed into the mvmt. And this Cadisen may not have even had a name at the time mvmt bought the modifications and commisioned the factory to make the arc, AND, it could have also been released under countless different names prior to mvmt under different asian brands in the asian market. Who knows. But I do absolutely know that this is how chinese manufacturing works when it comes to making other company products. They will literally pull something directly out of their factories that they've already made with established tooling that meets the basic initial specs of the company's request, offer it, and make the appropriate changes in order to make it brand specific for the company ordering it. IN this way, most of the "work" is already done. In the subject of watches, for example, the basic case design is already done, the basic movement choice(s) have already been made and the case will readily accept them, the hands, dial ornaments, etc have already been nanufactured, etc etc, all that's left is MINOR things like the finish of the case and the final dimensions, the type of crystal, and what logo/name brand gets stamped on the thing. They can even retrofit a lot of watches that have already been manufactured, by shelling the movement out of them, retooling/refinishing the case to the new spec, and then screen printing the brand on the face and/or changing out the movements if necessary, as the case is already designed to accept a few different versions. So these mvmnts may not have even been "made to order" they may have been reworks of pallets and pallets of watches that had already been manufactured, and what we are seeing is the chinese factory selling the unaltered "overstock" with a different name screen printed on them to clear their warehouse space. Its hard to tell, but this stuff happens all day every day when it comes to commisioning china to make products. So whenever you see a REALLY similar item on something lke alibaba, its usually the "parent" item of the name brand that it so closely resembles. Just wanted to put this out there, because not many people know the inner workings of this kind of thing.
@PlugInRides3 жыл бұрын
I'm wearing a Cadisen watch as I watch this video. Mine is a C5051M, which has an all Tungsten Carbide case and strap, with a sapphire crystal. This model has a quartz movement, so it's only 8mm thick. Between the tungsten and sapphire construction, this watch is super scratch resistant, an was an incredible bargain at only $30, from the Cadisen store on AliExpress. You really can't beat some of these Chinese, "mushroom brands" for value. Cadisen sells a number of interesting models, including one with a Miyota 9015 movement, for around $100, during one of the major sales on AliExpress.
@derbagger224 жыл бұрын
I love the "cut out the middleman" jab...
@alexeski41094 жыл бұрын
Came for the thumbnails, stayed for the down-to-earth watch content.
@Alias_Anybody4 жыл бұрын
The quality of the leather straps on AliExpress watches is surprisingly good sometimes. Like the Pagani Design "Cocktail time" I recently got for 30€. Only "genuine leather" but smelled like a good new leather shoe (not like plastic) and is comfortable. Heck, I don't know what brands like Mvmt put on their watches as even some "pleather" straps on ultra cheap Chinese watches don't fall apart like that.
@HirooKoslov4 жыл бұрын
Same, I have the same watch, and I actually really like the brown unstitched strap.
@MammothBehemoth4 жыл бұрын
If the Cadisen was at 36/38, with 50-100wr, that would be an amazing modern interpretation of a vintage inspired everyday watch
@OttoTheWeim3 жыл бұрын
I always felt those MVMT guys on their commercials seemed like frat boy Bros who came up with a marketing idea. No buy from me. Thanks for confirming.
@Shabec29822 жыл бұрын
Lmaoooo the Paul Pluta scene at the end was hilarious 😆🤣
@adrianmorris37724 жыл бұрын
Hi,Ben. I'd go for the cadisen all day long. Same movement so really is a no brainer . Keep well my friend 😉😺
@rrghb4 жыл бұрын
Cadisen > Cool MVMT > Uncool
@TheTarrMan4 жыл бұрын
Somehow the Cadisen has better attention to detail. > The little chrome rings around the lume pips. > The winding stem > The finish of the case. (The MVMT is just bead-blasted. They just do that to hide sins.) > The finish of the hands > The little detail around the date window. Honestly I already have two Bambino's so the MVMT would just feel like a copy. The Cadisen looks more appealing.
@djfisco4 жыл бұрын
Ben, you have a really good attitude and your videos are informative and fun to watch, so it pains me to see that you have so few subscribers. I would recommend you do a collaboration with some more prominent watch review channels like for instance Teddy Baldassarre, i think that would boost your views tremendously, because you certainly deserve it. Keep on the good work!
@GeordsYouTube4 жыл бұрын
As long as people wear watches I don’t care much which one, thankfully we all have different tastes otherwise the world would be a boring place. Great video to educate people on watches and what they should look for when it comes to quality
@tmf8664 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I'm saying this about a MVMT watch, but I think it goes on the low end of cool. I think it's a big step up for them. I like the case a lot. It's attractive. I like the way the strap looks, although it may go quickly. I don't like the mineral crystal, and I don't like the price. I wouldn't personally buy one, but it's a big improvement for them. I think the Cadisen goes on the high end of cool. It looks much the same, although I don't like the shiny finish as much, but it more than makes up for it with an excellent price and sapphire crystal. (My rule these days is, if a watch costs more than $50, it *must* have sapphire crystal and *must* be automatic. The Cadisen has both.)
@ROBIEM973 жыл бұрын
The Cadisen has now doubled in value due to demand (I guess?), which STILL makes it half the cost of the MVMT. Which is hilarious.
@creepinwhileyousleepin4 жыл бұрын
As an aside to this video, I think a lot of people, including watch collectors are really sleeping on soviet made mechanical watches. There’s tons of well made ones that look great and can be had for pretty cheap on ebay. I picked up a Raketa Big Zero not too long ago and I love it as a purely fashion watch.
@whodeycinbengals2 жыл бұрын
The MVMT surprisingly did a good job on decorating the movement
@Nicods4 жыл бұрын
I bought a Cadisen Diamond, about 67£ during the 10th anniversary sales for a miyota 9015 watch, hilarious, I bought it just out of curiosity, thinking I would have given it to my dad or a friend, as a gift. Well, I was so impressed that I kept it in my own collection, I would have never thought it but I do like (except for the strap). I bought it before Cadisen moved to the so called homages, I call it legalized fakes, I don't want to feed this kind of market, but I must admit the watch is beautiful and well made, chapeau.
@SheshankReddyS4 жыл бұрын
At £139 the MVMT would be a well priced watch. Assuming both watches cost the seller about £29 when purchased in bulk, what MVMT is doing, with a 10x multiple, isn't very unusual. I've worked with retail lifestyle brands long enough to know that 4x is the minimum multiplier you need to apply to stay afloat and 5x is the norm. There are, however, a lot of brands that apply 10x multiplier across perfume, eyewear, clothing, footwear and watches. Because they can get away with it.
@gergo.r4 жыл бұрын
If I had to spend that, I would buy the Timex Waterbury day-date. Cadisen is far the best for the money.
@bilalafzal80984 жыл бұрын
I recommend reviewing steeldive 1954. Awesome watch can't find many flaws except the cheap bracelet, but can't complain for the price.
@tedblack24154 жыл бұрын
The Cadisen all day long,plus i'd say its a looks better finished & prefer the hand set.nice n thorough review ben,well done on the research .
@SupremeSkeptic3 жыл бұрын
Let's be fair the MVMT clearly looks better with the domed glass and thinner bezels. But the domed glass is offset by the sapphire material used by the Cadisen. So, I would agree that it could only be recommended at about £150 price point.
@SWatchik4 жыл бұрын
Funny that I got Vincero advert on this video!
@XMODSCZ4 жыл бұрын
I recently discovered chinese micro brand watches and I have to say for the price they are amazing. I just to want MVMT watch but many people said they are horrible which ultimately led me to discovered brands like steeldive, starking, alpha etc.
@madaboutvoice4 жыл бұрын
Great review, as usual. The Cadisen gets my vote, especially the black hands.
@LasseRafnDk3 жыл бұрын
£69 on AliExpress is a decent chunk of change, so must be OK quality
@MrPleers4 жыл бұрын
Funny that this (and many other KZfaq video's) start with a commercial from Vincero watches. And yes, they are using sentences like "Cutting out the middleman." Maybe interesting to check them out by one of your future video's.
@phillipmaciver32264 жыл бұрын
Cabinet wins. Curved dial Option to brush finish yourself, not difficult Even to mod the rotor wouldn't be too difficult So for the price and potential to make alterations its a winner.
@Rich77UK3 жыл бұрын
The movement logo on the crown looks like HSBC...
@doha56344 жыл бұрын
Movado bought MVMT for 200 million before taxes....GEESUS!
@pierrotgodot4 жыл бұрын
199.999 (repeating of course) million too much
@donnywong59964 жыл бұрын
Great move by previous owner, get out while u still can
@AdityaSujan4 жыл бұрын
Buy a Seiko SNK 809. It’s 80$ reliable automatic with a legendary brand behind it. Thank me later 😊
@Zzzzalazar4 жыл бұрын
Or a snk803, or both, they look great ;)
@Pete…NoNotThatOne4 жыл бұрын
I’ll add it to my other fifteen seikos. They get lonely sometimes.
@sabasbabas57643 жыл бұрын
Everyone know seiko......
@duck15903 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very informative video! Though I get that you don't get more value in the Mvmt watch, it *is* aesthetically much more refined. I wouldn't say that they look the same, I can see that the Mvmt had much more refined, subtle finishing touches (the silver hands, the silver logo, the grey date numbers, the thinner bezel around the crystal). It's enough for me to say that I would buy the Mvmt but not the knock-off, and tbh I think that design is an aspect that still deserved to be paid for.
@thecianinator2 жыл бұрын
I actually agree, if it weren't for the mineral glass and the price tag the MVMT would come out squarely ahead in my book.
@jacc888884 жыл бұрын
Both cool. MVMT looks slightly cooler but high price lets it down.
@brunonjezic62084 жыл бұрын
I hate to admit that mvmt actually looks really good and i like decorated movement. Thiker indexes and thicker hands of cadisan just make it feel they didn't understand elements of its design as usually mvmt watches have. I wouldn't dare to discard the fact it os a decorated movement. I know it is not a big deal to say other is good as well because we hate fasion brands but on the other hand we rave like crazy over level of decoration on stuff that is for enthusiasts, as well as hacking. If it would be 50e over orient price it would be a full on winner. Price it has is quite steep
@nuarbereheng4 жыл бұрын
Biggest problem is the price IMO
@panzerkami23813 жыл бұрын
At least you get the impressive brand... You: Hey baby, check this out, I got a Rolex. Babe: Oh, that's nice, buy me a drink? You: Hey baby, check this out, I got a Breitling. Babe: Wow, can i buy you a drink. You: Hey baby, check this out, I got a MVMT. Babe: get away from me or I'll scream!
@davidbraun29234 жыл бұрын
While I agree that you have given a fair appraisal of these watches you must also consider that homages of Seiko watches with the exact same Seiko movement (NH35a) inside are also just as cheap on AliX eg Seiko Cocktail time £349 vs Pagani Cocktail homage £49 - seek and ye shall find...
@jorgebarrerat4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I was interesed in your opinion about the MVMT Arc Auto
@jorgebarrerat4 жыл бұрын
In fact, I was complaining about alternatives for Automatic minimalist watches, so this video can help 👍
@arnaudmeert15274 жыл бұрын
@@jorgebarrerat have you tried Junghans or Junkers?
@Atombender2 жыл бұрын
Putting lumen on the hour markers but not on the hands has got to be one of the biggest watch brain farts in history.
@trevor59142 жыл бұрын
I got the mvmt arc at a Movado Company Store at the outlets in my area for around $150. For that price, I think it's a good watch. I think it is a much better value at $150 than other mvmt watches that they had that looked like very cheap quartz watches for the same price. I agree that the Cadisen is the overall better value than the mvmt watch but, if you can get a mvmt arc for $150 or less, you are getting a nice casual/ dressy watch in my opinion.
@qwertymusic84179 ай бұрын
Hi Trevor, still satisfied with the watch? Thinking about getting the same model, can get it for 135 euro's at the moment. Thoughts? Thanks! :)
@abhas664 жыл бұрын
Please do a wrist watch check at the start of every video. Its very helpful for curious eyes like mine.
@dorksouls9784 жыл бұрын
Please don't. Your channel is refreshingly unlike the others.
@xPennybagsx4 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@RandyWanat4 жыл бұрын
Just assume it's the Casio A700 every time. :)
@charleschen42354 жыл бұрын
Hey. Oddly enough the MVMT website lists the Arc Automatic at 41mm instead of 40mm, but it does look smaller than the 41mm Cadisen... Anyway, great video. Thanks Ben!
@jcmartinez75273 жыл бұрын
How to tell something is absolute bullshit: the Chinese knockoff is actually much better
@kalel333 жыл бұрын
It's probably not a knockoff but MVMT buys the watches from the same place and just adds a few different options.
@Andrew-J3164 жыл бұрын
Rather have the Cadisen! The value proposition, as well as the resale value, is higher for the Cadisen! Thanks for this review!
@plmn939 ай бұрын
I almost bought a MVMT watch because I didn't know any better. I thought they looked neat. Obviously I had no clue what makes for a good watch. Thankfully I saw videos like this one that opened my eyes.
@Professional_Youtube_Commenter3 жыл бұрын
If price difference was more reasonable I would go for the mvmt, the dial design looks better hands and indices look more in proportion and spaced out better. The rotor, brushed/polished combo looks better, the signed crown is better. Above all the logo and brand name is way better. The word cadisen is just a translated Chinese word that doesn't sound like a watch brand at all. It sounds like a construction sheeting material or something.
@slizgi864 жыл бұрын
All fashion watches are overpriced s**t, just boy anything from real watch company, even casio
@Rich77UK3 жыл бұрын
I own a couple of high end (£1500+) watches and a couple of cheaper (Casio) ones. I couldn't agree more. In fact I'd say buy a reputable brand or a Chinese brand like Cadison OVER these fashion watches that are basically shysters and con artists.
@ronch5503 жыл бұрын
I love Casio. Very affordable, reliable, fun, and they do have a long history and heritage. Gifted myself a Casio WS1200H fishing watch last month.
@Barry45783 жыл бұрын
Casio good though
@RobinhoodarrowsRHA4 жыл бұрын
That Cadison is the bomb! (And nicer than the MVMT). If the second hand were a touch longer it would be spot on.
@rogerauclair16704 жыл бұрын
The two watches are almost identical but visually the Cadisen is the more attractive watch and for me the dark outline on the hands making them stand out is the deal breaker.
@-----REDACTED-----3 жыл бұрын
MVMT needs to be at the very least 170 bucks cheaper, and upgrade the crystal to sapphire to even hold a candle to the Cadisen... Just cut out the middleman (MVMT), and get the Cadisen directly.
@JeeGee1144 жыл бұрын
I just asked a girl and she liked the MVMT more because of the beter balanced dial and the nicer looking strap. She does not understand the sapphire thing. She also has Lin Long tires on her car instead of Michelin's .
@RavenWindrunner4 жыл бұрын
I would have just went with the Cadisen C8173G. The design is quite similar if slightly more generic, the price is cheaper, it comes with an seiko nh35 instead of a miyota 8215 and its thinner at 12mm thick. The downside being that the case is bigger (42mm).
@Getouttahere783 жыл бұрын
That Cadisen is a great buy Just goes to show how MVMT really BS people into buying their watches
@EliteSim4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic comparison mate, it's funny how the tables have turned. To be honest I prefer the case and movement in the mvmt - never thought I'd say that, but I'd still take the cadisen for the value proposition.
@Ballacha2 жыл бұрын
for $300, you can buy an Orient Bambino and an Orient Mako II. then you can treat yourself to a nice dinner with the change, knowing you've made the correct choice in getting yourself properly inside the gate of horology.
@lucafwn4 жыл бұрын
Good choice. I have some Cadisen watches from AliExpress, an automatic one (NH35) and some quartzs for me and my wife, and they offer very good value for money. This MVMT is not bad indeed, "not great, not terrible", but it is overpriced - my general rule of thumb is: if a Chinese watch costs "x" on AliExpress, an equivalent watch sold in Europe, with taxes, import duties, and some profit for the importer/seller, should cost between 2 and 2.5 "x"; and we are way over that. For the quality only, both watches would be quite cool, with a preference for the Cadisen for its specs; unfortunately for the MVMT, the price and the bad brand image make it a bit lukewarm. Too bad, because the watch seems good after all.
@ivanskinner29434 жыл бұрын
Have you ever had an experience with sending something you've purchased back to China? Out of order under warranty or dead on arrival? It's a rhetorical question. Don't you think this is one of the reasons why Chinese stuff cost that -much- .. along with slave labor and lack of QC?
@gaborbudinszki51223 жыл бұрын
From 200 pounds I bought an Orient Bambino II and a Seiko5 this week. Thank god I did my research with these videos before buying some fashion watch scam 🥵
@mattewj12684 жыл бұрын
I was prepared to hate on the MVMT but actually they seem to have made a very nice watch here. The subtle differences in the design really do make it look crisper and more stylish. I have to admit I like this one.
@thecianinator2 жыл бұрын
I agree, the price is the only deal breaker tbh
@ominousromanpillar238 Жыл бұрын
@@thecianinator they sell them for 150-170usd now
@jimwatchyyc2 жыл бұрын
“Inflatable dart board”, good one, lol!
@JimIBobIJones3 жыл бұрын
I still wouldn't buy one but clearly MVMT have really upped their game under Movado. The minimal bezel and very domed crystal actually gives it pretty nice aesthetics and is far better than the generic trash that they usually push. The two tone finish on the case looks pretty good (at least on video) and is far above what I would have expected from MVMT. The dial even looks nice for once, instead of the out of proportion crap that usually amounts to a MVMT watch dial. I would put it up to the ownership under a well established "real" watchmaker.
@JimIBobIJones Жыл бұрын
@Marcel Oktav get over your snobbery. unless you go up to a bespoke brand, like Dufour, all watches are mass produced using an assembly line, including Rolexes, Pateks etc. Overpriced? It isn't too bad when you consider the specs and MVMT is now a Swiss owned sub-brand. It's in the range of "real" watchmaker microbrands using similar specs.
@jenaplinsky39774 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I am generally against Chinese watches but I find a nice watch the Cadisen respectable, the reading of the dial seems to me better than the original ...Ultimately I think buying the Cadisen is not a bad deal ...
@GrimwoodWatchModding4 жыл бұрын
Got to say i would never let a MVMT watch grace my wrist, Cadisen i would though. Just shows you just pay for the logo.
@wans58854 жыл бұрын
4 dislike is either from mvmt customer or the salesman it self
@inputgoldfish44244 жыл бұрын
Or the founders
@iKumala3 жыл бұрын
love that Seiko you are wearing. I'm wearing it now quite by coincidence. Think it a was $89 US.
@petergplus66674 жыл бұрын
The MVMT design and crystal looks way better. If only it featured a curved dial as well and they made it a little bit better readable. Maybe Hesalite would also work better than mineral. A non hacking movement Ist very up to date. They even updated the 82xx calibers to hack by now. On the Cadisen I like the black hands and the curved dial. I have a Junghans Meister Agenda in white so I don't have to decide anyway.
@Psysso4 жыл бұрын
Its thicker than my 300m diver...
@BensWatchClub4 жыл бұрын
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@jamesofsandiego3 жыл бұрын
Now that almost all of this stuff is made in China, most of it in the south of the Guangdong province by Hong Kong, you might as well just buy directly from China. The exception being watches actually made in Japan, Switzerland, Germany, etc. I think it's wise of you to buy direct from the manufacturer. Sapphire glass makes for a daily driver that will take a lot of casual scuffing as you wear it. I vote for the Cadisen.
@edwardfletcher77903 жыл бұрын
Thank you for exposing the terrible quality of the band. I can't stand expensive watches with rubbish bands, especially when a company like Timex can get it right !
@mrbacchus61274 жыл бұрын
Hacking actually is pretty important to me but not at this price difference.