300 Win Mag vs 300 PRC | Ballistics Comparison

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@hammerheadms 2 жыл бұрын

At least I know I can can almost always find 300WM on the store shelves. Can't go wrong with the old reliable Win Mag.

@TexanUSMC8089 2 жыл бұрын

Load your own ammo. Problem solved.

@redrock425 2 жыл бұрын

If I was a hunter I'd just go 300 Win Mag. Easy to find factory ammunition, no need to worry about reloading as you don't shoot lots of round like target shooters.

@hammerheadms 2 жыл бұрын

@@TexanUSMC8089 some of us don't have the time, space, or tools to be able to do that. It's not like it's a cheap hobbie to get into either.

@hammerheadms 2 жыл бұрын

@@redrock425 exactly. The majority of hunters don't need more than a 180gr. bullet in .30cal anyway. We have elk and bear here in Michigan, but they tend to run smaller than their western cousins. For me, I rarely use anything more than 165gr. In 300WM. 7mm08 is what I use for everything else. If I were to venture out west for some elk I'd go with heavier bullets.

@redrock425 2 жыл бұрын

@@hammerheadms I reload but as you say it's not cheap to get set up for centrefire rifles. I target shoot so it's worth it, but modern factory ammunition for hunting is very good these days.

@brandonrobertson6327 2 жыл бұрын

The great .30cal race to the top. Will somebody just go ahead and neck down a .50BMG case for a .30cal and get this over with 🤯

@bmxriderforlife1234 Жыл бұрын

I saw a joke about a 50bmg necked down to .22 A 30cal or even slightly larger would be a good idea though for something designed specifically for really long range shooting. Could load it lighter. Making it legal in more countries along with not being a 50 anymore. Reduce recoil and use the length of the cartridge to set it up for really really good ballistics coefficient.

@buddyrevelle736 Жыл бұрын

Probably get about 50 shots before your rifle is s smooth bore 😂

@randall3241 Жыл бұрын

well they is a wildcat that is just say a short 50 they cut the case down and necked it to a 30 cal

@joseywales8257 Ай бұрын

@bmxriderforlife1234 It was done in the late 80's or early 90's at a place called Ft Hood. DU was milled down to .30 cal and loaded into sabots into .50 bmg casings. DU requires around 7000 fps to achieve what the mission called for. The Barrett is still on base with 1,200 rounds of the custom ammo

@patrickferrell8149 2 жыл бұрын

Chris Kyle had no long range accuracy issues with the Win Mag ;). Another great comparison. Thank you Ron.

@secretsquirrel1534 2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the .300 PRC was Not around while Chris was Alive . I am absolutely certain that Chris would of Loved shooing the .300 PRC . I personally miss Chris a lot one hell of good guy !

@Adamu98 2 жыл бұрын

@@secretsquirrel1534 no doubt he would love the 300 prc.

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 жыл бұрын

@@thorseim7177 I gave up counting all the gun manufacturers making 300PRC , It was quite a few. I have an old 300WBY Mag and let me tell you. I dont miss loading those belted magnum cases which are a PITA. The 300PRc gets rid of all that and is easy to load , can take a 250 grn bullet, I can actually use the mags instead of trying to do all this with a 300wm and loading 1 round at a time , That is if I can find one with a chamber big enough to take it.

@snookmeister55 2 жыл бұрын

@@PatriotPaulUSA give me a case that causes no trouble

@actionjksn 2 жыл бұрын

@@PatriotPaulUSA So you're saying that to load a 300 WM that performs similarly to the 300 PRC that the 300 WM will not fit in the magazine because it's too long? I hadn't thought of that but it makes sense.

@Sean-pw3yr 2 жыл бұрын

I went from 300 WM & Weatherby Mag to 300 PRC just to get away from reloading belted cartridges. 300 PRC is a dream to load, that alone was enough for me.

@tatsuhirosatou5513 Жыл бұрын

I've never had an issue with loading belted cartridges or even noticed a difference

@Sean-pw3yr Жыл бұрын

@@tatsuhirosatou5513 one less step on non-belted cartridges.

@tiputipu777 Жыл бұрын

@@Sean-pw3yr and what step is that? I load 308, 6.5 needmoor and 300 wm and load all of them the same. I set the fl die on the wm in a way that it headspaces from the shoulder.

@z1berzerker 10 ай бұрын

Nice to know 🙂 for the future reference Thank you for the insight 👍... I reload about 50% of the time

@Sean-pw3yr 10 ай бұрын

@@tiputipu777 a FL die doesn’t resize down to the belt, if you keep resizing it will develop extra brass above the belt, if you want to circumvent this and get brass life collet belt sizer, it’s an extra step and one I prefer to avoid as it’s time consuming. I can get better performance out of non belted cartridges and to be perfectly honest I don’t believe 300 win needs a belt, it was a marketing ploy for the times when “belted” cartridges were the hot thing.

@angrysheepdog9744 8 ай бұрын

As Paul Harrell would say "not enough difference to make a difference." I would have liked to see ULD ballistics out to 1500 or 1750 yds

@404nitro 2 жыл бұрын

For efficiency , not to mention pure nostalgia, I stick with my 300 H&H over all of them, and I do own a beautiful 300 Win Mag.

@georgewhitworth9742 2 жыл бұрын

.300 H&H's are great! My Remington 721 is awfully smooth and simple, couldn't ask for more. Plus, got for a steal for seven hunderd bucks! Pretty happy about that, considering the cost of other .300 H&H rifles, haha

@404nitro 2 жыл бұрын

@@georgewhitworth9742 Mine is one of the 1983run of Rem 700 Classic Limited Edition rifles. I got it for $700 as well about 7 or 8 years back. It came with a nice Burris 3X9 scope and quality rings too. It looks like brand new still, even though it is almost 40 years old. Love the 300 H&H. It'll equal the 300 Win in performance across the board and in some cases it'll beat it a little and it feeds so smoothly. My first one was a custom rifle built on a M-70 action. I wish I still had that one too.

@williammcclelland6789 2 жыл бұрын

Very classy indeed!

@talisikid1618 2 жыл бұрын

300h&h is great for hunting & appreciation. Never interested in 300win. But the 300prc is great for longer range.

@davidbrock1565 2 жыл бұрын

Plus one for the 300 h&h!

@anonymousdude6493 2 ай бұрын

This dude narrates like the ballistic version of Morgan Freeman. Job well done. I learn so much from Mr. Spomer.

@leeeng478 Ай бұрын

Morgan Freeman has big hand spoomer has little hands.

@ryangunn7638 2 жыл бұрын

Great comparison. You covered all the major points wonderfully.

@GSW-Outdoors2 Жыл бұрын

Great review. This answered all the questions I had regarding differences for .300 PRC.

@larrysayers1377 2 жыл бұрын

Love these cartridge reviews and comparisons. Sure brings things into perspective and some balance on practicality. I have owned dozens of rifles in the last 50yrs and I have found that sometimes it gets hard to sell off a gun if it's not popular caliber. Example, I had a Browning BLR in 7mm WSM that I was trying to sell but people only wanted a 7mm Rem Mag. I ended up trading that gun for another one at a gun show which was a fair deal. However, for the next couple years, I kept seeing that same guy with that same gun on display at several gun shows and I don't know if he ever did sell it. I just kept avoiding eye contact.

@NELLY-jg2rx 2 жыл бұрын

Lol I agree but you just need to find the right guy, I would absolutely LOVE a BLR in 7WSM

@ertatta 2 жыл бұрын

Those WSM & SAUM chamberings are making quite a comeback in the long range precision world whether for hunting or purely target.

@prone_wolf8871 2 жыл бұрын

I'm building a wsm in the short action..... And if I get to a point(I might) that I need more for elr. Then I'll go with a longer action

@ertatta 2 жыл бұрын

@@prone_wolf8871 all the 7 SAUM shooters seem very excited about the new Big Horn medium action.

@prone_wolf8871 2 жыл бұрын

@@ertattajust built my first custom. Terminus action,Proof barrel in 6.5 cm. Jp enterprises chassis. Nightforce atacr 7x35...thing is a shooter and I'll probably never go for a factory rifle again hahaha. Since it's a hand tight barrel setup... I intend on getting a 300 or a 7 wsm barrel for it when I reach the limits of the Creedmoor... If I need more after that will probably go to a medium action or long.... But I set this gun up to be my elr fun rig. So I have a 70 moa base... I think with the base and scope I should be able to get out to 2700 ish yards hahaha... But the goal for this winter is a mile with the creed. And 750 yards for 22 lr 😆

@CrackerFL 2 жыл бұрын

Thks Ron for ALL your videos. The way you break things down in a simple way is awesome!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr. Railey.

@mountainview540 2 жыл бұрын

New Ron video? Yes, please and thank you

@adamwulf5369 2 жыл бұрын

Been trying to decide between these for my new rifle, great timing on the video and gives some serious food for thought. Normal hunting ranges, very close between these other then more ammo options woth the 300 win mag.

@TexanUSMC8089 2 жыл бұрын

Making a cartridge more accurate doesn't just benefit long range target shooting, it's just as beneficial for hunting. In modern times we have much more complex test equipment and computers. They discovered that seating a bullet so that the boat tail goes down into the shoulder and the rest of the bullet is above that creates a much more consistent and accurate cartridge. Don't seat the bearing surface of a bullet past the neck. Seating a bullet deep into the case below the shoulder isn't a great idea. Most older cartridges were designed that way though. 7 rem mag is one of my favorite cartridges, and all factory ammo is seated deep. I normally load all my ammo though.

@campriole5410 Жыл бұрын

Great video, very thorough, reasons and purpose for each round is so helpful. Could not find this type of info anywhere. Thank you.

@Empath-xb6sf 2 жыл бұрын

Love how you sprinkle education into your videos!

@ruthlessone3k 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. I've got experience on both the 300 PRC and the 300WM. I'm currently using the 300 PRC and loving it. I also fall into the "unless" category. I've managed to stretch it out to a mile on an 18" round plate so far with great success. However, I often suggest the 300WM to others, because most simply aren't going to use it in a way to appreciate the benefit. Especially if they are strictly hunting with it. At the shorter distances(

@equalleftrights3130 Жыл бұрын

And what is the reason the bullet can't be seated the same length for the win mag? I load 225gr elds for my win mag even longer than any 300 PRC. I looked at the 300 PRC, but went for the real deal, 300 Norma Magnum. I haven't seen any factory PRC going at 2960fps with 225gr elds like I send them out of my Bighorn TL3 LA win mag. This BS about the 300 PRC benefits over the 300 win mag have to stop. The only benefits are for those that don't reload and if you dont reload, you should stay out of these discussions.

@qh4007 Жыл бұрын

Ok mr you go and know it all

@jward9637 2 жыл бұрын

Cool video. Thanks for you’re expertise. I know a lot about shooting, and you amaze me. Thx

@johnwolfen4243 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron: I'll stick with my 300 WM. I have trouble seeing a gray or brown deer or pronghorn at 300 yards. I use good glass and sit behind that glass a lot. Trying to pick out most game animals past 300 yards is very difficult. You are correct if I where to also use my rifle for long range target shooting I could see me going up to the 300 PRC. On a range, I know where the targets are and how far they are. unlike a game animal on the open range.

@HoneyBeagle 2 жыл бұрын

Just picked up a 300 prc today and I’ll definitely be hunting with it! But I’ll say I’m a huge 300 win mag fan and have done a lot of hunting and target shooting with the winny. This is just a fun new toy. Shoot whatever gets you excited!

@Dfour 2 жыл бұрын

So in short. A 300prc factory load beats a 300wm hand load Hand load both, 300prc widens the gap because you can use 230g and 250g

@redrock425 2 жыл бұрын

If you have a factory chamber on the WM. If it's custom throated the WM may just have the edge.

@duanesamuelson2256 2 жыл бұрын

@@redrock425 depth of long heavy bullets in the powder charge for the WM...this causes pressure differences that are the bane of long range target shooters. Unless you are going to be shooting at 1000m regularly there isn't a reason to go with the PRC and if you are then the PRC wins from bullet seating.

@BBQDad463 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for another GREAT comparison. 👍 If I were 19 instead of 69, I would probably want a .300 PRC, instead of a .300 Win Mag. However, the .300 Win Mag is what I have. I'm not a long-range target-shooter. 300 to 400 yards is as far as I ever intend to shoot. Thus, I cannot justify the time, effort, and expense of adapting to a whole new cartridge whose performance is almost indistinguishable from my existing rifle. Shucks, I guess I could drag out good ol' Uncle Jimmy's .300 Weatherby Magnum if I truly felt the need for that scosh-teenth more. Again, thanks for this excellent, fascinating comparison! I truly appreciate the ballistic details, which make for a totally B.S.-free presentation. You present opinions and conclusions logically based on facts. I like that. Great work!😎👍👏

@TheGodSchema Жыл бұрын

Age is in the head bud. 69 is the new 30.

@500asquare Жыл бұрын

Very good vid thank you. Hornady stuck the cartridge in a match grade chamber in a fast twist barrel that combination with a parallel tight throat is what the benchresters use for ultimate accuracy 😊

@offthecuffadventureswithjamie 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your insights on these Ron.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Sure thing!

@mattevans-koch9353 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ron for the comparison. Love my .300 WM as well as my 7mm RM. If I was still shooting and hand loading I would love to try out the.300 PRC. Always had the most fun working up loads for cartridges and rifles. Take care and have a good weekend.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt.

@masonmcneill3969 2 жыл бұрын

I went with 300 PRC because I am a hand loader and I do shoot a lot of long range, when it came to choosing my first 30 cal magnum rifle the PRC had enough small advantages to convince me to try it

@michaelogden5093 11 ай бұрын

300 mag is hard to find brass for and finding a good load is not a piece of cake. I'd say you're right about getting away from belted cases.

@randyschaff8939 Жыл бұрын

I have never had any problem getting hits out to 300 with my .30/06. The first” beltless magnum” lol. Good vid. Ron🤠

@garrytalley8009 2 ай бұрын

It's no magnum by any means. If you're happy with your 30-06 that's great but don't rain on anyone else's parade that want more out of a cartridge. Try the 500-yard shots he talked about. You won't even get a point blank zero with a 30-06 to 300 yards with any bullet load.

@338federalshooter8 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron for this video. You just saved me a bunch of money.

@markofwisconsin Жыл бұрын

A large gun dealer in my area said the biggest problem with the 300prc, and many of the other new rounds (i.e. 6.8 Western) is ammo or even brass availability. That's a hard sell for allot of people when you can't even roll your own!

@armondomazzucchi6233 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the break down Ron

@ericcraver4908 2 жыл бұрын

I was just telling my buddy how we needed a 300prc. Of course he asked why. I answered "because".

@ericwainwright470 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful job Mr. Spomer as always! Perfect content...currently mulling this over now, probably go with the 300 Win Mag...

@whiteyfisk9769 Жыл бұрын

Its 2023, the 300prc is already forgotten

@geoffball9547 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video comparing hunting bullet to hunting bullet. The PRC shooter is likely to load 225 gr or 230gr Match bullets with G1 BC .823 where it will outperform by a larger margin at distance. At least on paper the PRC should also shoot some really small groups.

@rkm237 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, Geoff, and loading a 220gr 0.654 BC1 round in a 300WM is going to be over the max OAL... of course many magazines will still work with it - but you're not comparing apples to apples. Looking on Hornady's Match loadings, they offer a 178gr ELD Match with G! 0.547 for the 300WM, but a 225gr with 0.777 G1 for the 300 PRC... that is a HUGE terminal difference in drop and windage.

@ertatta 2 жыл бұрын

I guess with custom rifles twist rates aren’t an issue, but you aren’t gonna find a 1:8 in a WM factory rifle. That’s where the PRC really would shine in a factory offering. Being able to stabilize those longer pills.

@geoffball9547 2 жыл бұрын

@@rkm237 Kevin, I think Ron is great and love his videos, but if he did some hand loading of long range precision rounds it would open up a window into a world that an increasing number of us enjoy. If you can shoot out you can shoot in, but if you only shoot in then going out is going to be a real problem. But Ron does mention it will make you a better shooter.

@orr89rocz Жыл бұрын

Why does any cartridge need to be contained to book spec saami lengths? Idk why ppl seem to think you cant load a long bullet in a 300 win mag lol ive loaded them to 3.52 mag lengths just fine and they work great. A berger 215 hybrid and h1000 in a win mag is the best combo going for both hunting and target

@robertrota8290 2 жыл бұрын

love the content. i would like to see a comparison of all the 300s in the future. i like the 300

@LiquidColourDesignBallycarry 4 ай бұрын

Fantastic review and very honest, thank you Ron ❤

@dbeardsley0 2 жыл бұрын

Greatly enjoy shooting my 300prc in my HMR with a nomad 30 attached. All day shooter if you can find the ammo or the powder to load it

@rangetime6779 2 жыл бұрын

Your video was spot on! I've been shooting and reloading the 300 WM for 45 years. It's been the best hunting round taking coyotes, pronghorn, deer, elk and caribou. I can load heavy bullets out to single feed lengths and they work great as long as the SG is 1.5 (spin stability). Neck size belted magnums will increase your case life. If I wasn't so invested in 300 WM I'd definitely get the 300PRC. The faster twist rate and tighter SAMI specs make it the superior cartridge .

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Range. Sounds as if you've gotten your money's worth out of the 300 WM.

@arcticminer32 2 жыл бұрын

I agree plus I have taken to the above mentioned game many grouse and turkeys. However, I preface that they were head shots. While deer hunting with another hunter with a .300 mag we encountered a flock of legal turkeys. Immediately, he was bemoaning the fact that his .22 mag was back at ranch house about 5 miles away. I told him that I always used my .300 on everything but migratory water fowl. Without hesitation he blasted that bird. It seemed like it rained feathers for about 15 minutes. I was in shock because it looked like that turkey had went through a wood chipper and reduced it to one to two inch pieces. Also, I guess I did not convey the telepathic message of shot placement. I assumed that everyone aims at a vital non-edible spot. That Remington 180 grain Core Lokt nuked that bird. No wonder the military used the .300 for sniping.

@bobgyetvai9444 2 жыл бұрын

When rebarreling or set back Mansons New Optimized Chamber reamer corrects the 300 win mag for outstanding preformance . No need for the PRC in all honesty .

@arborist460 2 жыл бұрын

@@arcticminer32 done that with a knight inline as a kid..bird floatin down the river I held a spot he’d cross and wham! looked like old nam footage of a missle strike in the delta….50 cal over 100gr of pyrodex..

@actionjksn 2 жыл бұрын

@@bobgyetvai9444 That sounds great but it's not going to help the spin rate needed for stabilizing those longer bullets.

@larryspencer4075 Жыл бұрын

Best unbiased review I have seen. You touched on every question someone could ask about these 2 cartridge comparison. I do not own a 300wm but have shot many of them. It is a proven cartridge. I do own a custom built 300prc from Alamo precision rifles. I do handload and in my expierence...even though 300prc is hornadys concept I prefer berger bullets above 220gr. Most handloaders for this cartridge know what happens with the 230 and 250gr hornady projectiles. Also most handloaders would consider the 215gr Berger the most effective projectile for any purpose in this cartridge. My advice to any shooter is the best gun and cartridge is the one that you individually are the most comfortable with and train train train with. One can debate numbers on paper forever but the only thing that counts is first round lethality and small groups.

@thecheapshot1065 2 жыл бұрын

Ron I love the frost in the beard partner. Such poise such wisdom in that beard

@jasonlopez4855 2 жыл бұрын

My Ruger 77 Mark ii SS from 1999 300 win mag is my old long range shooting with a Simons scope. It was my first 🦌 Deer rifle I payed for one of the best round I'v used.

@jimmiefarris4218 2 жыл бұрын

I love the 300win.mag. It's a go getter.Finding ammo is also easier.

@slomo1562 Жыл бұрын

Ron touched on it but when you travel it's much easier to find commonly used cartridges. If you travel a few hours to a deer camp and you're the only one shooting a 7mm STW, you had better be sure you have the loads you need. Now make that camp Alaska or Africa. Whoops!

@niio111 Жыл бұрын

I was looking for a cartridge like the 300wm but for long range target. 300wm has tons of factory ammo available and this was a primary concern, but it was all hunting loads. 300prc only really has Hornady but it is target, so that won.

@outyxt800 2 жыл бұрын

Haha I’m having a hard time on what custom 300 rifle to build for my first one. Seeing how you just did a review on this is awesome, can’t wait to watch this video. Thanks in advance:).

@ertatta 2 жыл бұрын

Go 300Norma to really take advantage of modern ultra high BC projectiles.

@texpatriot8462 2 жыл бұрын

As usual. A great video with lots of good information.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

@hulley5223 2 жыл бұрын

According to Sierra data, you can still load their 220 gr. HPBT MatchKings in the 300 WM, giving you all the long-range performance you could ever need out of a long action bolt gun. If you really want a fancy-pants, long-range .30 cal, go with the 300 Norma, which is a significant step up in long-range performance.

@Dfour 2 жыл бұрын

As long as your mag will fit it. Unless you only single feed

@hulley5223 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dfour It should. Data shows that it has the same C.O.A.L as the 180 gr. bullets, which are often the most popular bullet weight for the 300 WM.

@borkwoof696 2 жыл бұрын

@@hulley5223 you‘ll have to seat them deep tho. But I think the military also has a .220gr loading for the win mag

@talisikid1618 2 жыл бұрын

No. Not even close to prc.

@hulley5223 2 жыл бұрын

@@talisikid1618 300 PRC isn't a long-action cartridge; it's a magnum length. 300 Norma is also a magnum-length cartridge, and it is far superior to 300 PRC.

@Dave-cf2ng 2 жыл бұрын

I shoot 215 Berger’s and 245 Berger’s in my prc and 215s in the win mag. Pretty much the same thing, whatever floats your boat.

@maverickpaladin4155 2 жыл бұрын

I love your videos...really enjoy the campfire chat approach. The PRC sounds intriguing, but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze IF you've got a quality .300 WM. I don't currently own either, but as my plan is to build a custom rifle from a 1917 action, I'm not sure if the .300 PRC would work in the standard magazine...merits some research for sure.

@dustinprenger2632 2 жыл бұрын

The Bob Ross of outdoors and hunting!

@brydengudbranson2728 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Ron, I'm happy I didn't drink the PRC cocktail.

@MrPh30 2 жыл бұрын

Almost 100 years ago DWM developed a series of cartridges off the .404 size case,one or them were a 7,65x73 .

@googleuser8448 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video Ron. 👍👍

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

@desertclimber78 Жыл бұрын

Thank you another excellent video!

@magnumcipher4971 2 жыл бұрын

The venerable ole .300 Winchester Magnum has always had its haters, but it’s proven to be a versatile performer able to change with the times. I have a few rifles chambered in it ranging from a 24” M77 Mark II, a Weatherby stainless Mark V, a pre ‘64 Model 70, and last year I built a 27” 1:9 twist Crown Ridge Barrel Works Remage Model 700 Remington in a MDT chassis that I reload 230 grain A-Tips for and reach out to a mile or a little more. The .300 WM has always proven itself to be a winner despite its so called shortcomings.

@jasonlopez4855 2 жыл бұрын

Ruger M77 mark ii SS from the 90's Is my best shooting 300 win mag rifle Never seen one problem with the M77 Rifles.👍🏽

@paulweaver6064 2 жыл бұрын

The 300 W mag I believe has more platforms to fire the round from meaning more diversity in firearms choices. The old standard bolt action is great but many carbine’s and even pistol carbine’s are available. That’s a pretty big plus it gives it a also a option as a home protection and Zombie Apocalypse flash mob diversity.

@af7119 Жыл бұрын

As Paul Harrell would say: Not enough of a difference, to make a difference. Great video as always Ron!

@exothermal.sprocket 2 жыл бұрын

One consideration was a statement issued to Tactical-Life: “The 300 Precision Rifle Cartridge (PRC), released by Hornady earlier this year, was tested and selected by the Department of Defense for its extended long range sniper program following a rigorous evaluation process that saw the new Hornady 300 PRC outperform the 300 Norma Mag as well as several other cartridges in testing past 2,000 yards.”

@ertatta 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, what? Outperformed the Norma, kinda find that hard to believe being that the Norma has a fatter case capacity. Wonder what’s at play here being that the DoD is a mess right now.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

ertatta, they were testing for more than just MV and reach. Goal is, I believe, to get the highest hit percentage at specific distances. Precision (accuracy) then trumps velocity.

@ertatta 2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors very true but I’ve never heard anyone state that the Norma had issues making precision hits on target. I could maybe see if they were looking for a maybe more economical alternative to the Norma, but other than that I’m not seeing an advantage for the PRC here.

@exothermal.sprocket 2 жыл бұрын

@@ertatta There's many parameters the military has to consider related to ammunition and weapons platform logistics, supply, weight, size and packaging, cost to the military, the needs of tacticians. Some of this might have also come into play between the Norma and PRC.

@gunnaraw 2 жыл бұрын

@@exothermal.sprocket But in the end SOCOM and the US Army chose 300 Norma Magnum instead of 300 PRC.

@TexasTrained 2 жыл бұрын

300 PRC is my pick...2miles is my lick.lol I started out shooting 270 Win. Then went to 7mm Rem Mag. Then got involving range precision with 6.5 Creedmoor. Later I wanted a little more and changed to 6.5 PRC. Then my buddy got me into a mile plus and I went to 300 PRC. I LOVE IT. GREAT VIDEO RON.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a natural progression, Trey. I like ringing steel out to about 1,000, but after that the mirage etc. sort of takes the fun out of it for me. But glad you're enjoying it.

@fortdefense9453 Жыл бұрын

I've been putting 220 eld-x bullets in my 308 loads on a lighter powder charge. Talk about a neat little piledriver...

@dukedenarie5858 Жыл бұрын

The thing that was a major pro for the win mag, were the type of powder that you can use in it as opposed to the prc. Brass is obviously more expensive but if I also had to get all new powder with what it costs. It’s a dedicated hunting rifle btw.

@dillonharriger369 2 жыл бұрын

I'm starting to really like these videos. Something to note for beginners, but if you're shooting off the bench, you can use your rifle as a single-shot rifle and have the bullet seated out as much as you need. Traditionally, you should seat the bullet to meet up with the lans and grooves of the barrel as close as possible, but seating the bullet out farther than factory loads will generally help improve accuracy. Doing so will eliminate the problem of eating into the powder capacity, and since you're shooting off a bench you shouldn't have feeding problems with loading these one at a time.

@howarddeheer8295 Жыл бұрын

Guess I am just old school I was stuck with my 65x55 my 270 and a 300 Win Mag. They have all work just fine for a good number of years

@DanielBoone337 2 жыл бұрын

I think you hit the nail on the head with this one... As I've said on lots of these 30cal videos I'm not the biggest fan of any of them but if I wanted to get something in it, it would probably be the PRC but that's because I like shooting steel at long range just as much as I like hunting and I tend to gravitate to guns configured so I can do both even if I have to pull the stock for hunting and drop my barreled action in a different stock or even a chassis. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!

@Master...deBater 2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm...300WM has been the king at 1000yds for decades. And an even better hunter in the field. LOL...I remember when everybody said the 300WSM would dethrone the WM! And then it was the RUM...LOL! Where are they now???

@alexmills1329 Жыл бұрын

@@Master...deBaterthe RUM is a beast of a cartridge, just not a good idea for a hunting rifle.

@garrytalley8009 2 ай бұрын

@@Master...deBaterNew calibers are never going to dethrone a proven cartridge. Like it or not the 300 PRC is a better designed cartridge. Much work went into the design, and it does what it was made to do shoot heavy for caliber bullets with a more efficient case that is more forgiving to even work a load for. It has a market. However, the newer 7mm PRC outperforms it. We will have to see if it in fact has an effect on the 300 PRC's sales. Only time will tell. Personally, any cartridge without a belt is better than any with a belt. When you have a good shoulder belt are unnecessary and often that is a weak spot and they split after multiple reloading if the headspace is even slightly off. BTW records get broken as time goes by with people using better equipment.

@Master...deBater 2 ай бұрын

@@garrytalley8009I do like the PRC...I just think it's a product in search of a market...rather than an answer to an existing demand. It does nothing that the 300wm can't do. With heavy bullets the win mag actually has better velocities. The only real difference is that the PRC houses the bullet outside the case...while the WM houses it inside. Which in the end is 6 of one, half dozen of another. The PRC has less case capacity...but the bullet in the WM takes up some powder space. As far as the belt is concerned...most handloaders simply headspace off the shoulder in both cases...rendering the belt a non-issue. I never Fl resize my brass...I simply bump the shoulder back a couple thou which prevents working the belt area altogether. And keeps my brass fireformed to the chamber for optimum accuracy. I also load my bullets out to max mag length which negates any ogive issues on long, heavy bullets. The 300wm does everything the PRC can do...yet does it in a standard length action rather than having to jump to a mag length action. Which can negatively affect accuracy.

@garrytalley8009 2 ай бұрын

@@Master...deBaterWe all have our opinions. Every new cartridge is made for a reason. The PRC family of cartridges are designed to be more efficient, and they are. They do have a drawback as far a feed ability. But they are easier to make a load for, make a better chamber seal because of the shoulder and they have a shorter burn column. And for general hunting purposes at most usual ranges all the existing hunting cartridges do the job. It is not searching for a market. The market is doing well with the 7mm PRC as well as any. There really isn't a debate on any of these cartridges. Now if you want one that never took off there are a few like the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum. You will have no debate on that one either. Priority case, no reloading dies, and it's been out for 7 years, and I had not even known that until recently. Looks like it is not bad, but Weatherby wanted to stick with that silly shoulder design and a belted case. Very huge mistake. Have fun debating. No debate here.

@masonwatkins4422 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff old timer thanks

@eddiewallace5272 5 ай бұрын

Dang good video, thanks for sharing.

@robcullen9984 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Ron, great info as per normal and couldnt agree more I recently looked into winmag and prc and bought a bergara 300prc purely because i would like to get into longer range shooting down the track, have been shooting lithgow 308 out to 1000 and really enjoying it to date. A workmate also bought a Bergara at the same time in 300WM for hunting camel and buffalo , we had both gone out together with new guns for break in and sighting at 100m and it was pretty much apples for apples with no noticeable difference. To date after 9 months i have not fired a factory round through mine as there is none available in west oz, even brass was painful as i had to buy lapua as thats all i could get - very exy. Workmate had no problems getting WM factory ammo up to 220g, The 300prc theory is all great with heavy slugs ,i have been using 220 hdy so far but i started thinking about the whole deal when i loaded up some excess sierra 308tmks 178g and thought that with the smaller projies in 300prc there will be a pretty big jump to the lands, yet to test and more an experiment but i do think it would limit choices of higher velocity lighter hunting rounds compared to WM with shorter throat Hopefully me and workmate can get out to do 1000m comparison between the two in the near future. Anyhow , my 2 cents is if you dont handload and if in Oz , dont buy a PRC, apart from that i luv mine and enjoy wasting lots of money finding the perfect handload for it . PS im finding costs lots more than the 308 handloads lol Thanks Ron Cheers Rob

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rob. Let us know if you find advantages in the PRC at 1,000.

@actionjksn 2 жыл бұрын

What is Oz?

@robcullen9984 2 жыл бұрын

@@actionjksn Hey mate, Oz is just short (Slang) for Australia Cheers Rob

@bustabass9025 Жыл бұрын

@@robcullen9984 Yeah, I didn't think you were shooting camels in Wyoming. Buffalo maybe.

@MrStudzdog Жыл бұрын

I think Ron put it best, if you already have a Win Mag there's not a huge difference in ballistics so no reason to run out and buy another rifle unless... The rifles are about the same cost and ammo is close in price. If I ever want to get rid of my Win Mag I would definitely give the PRC a try. Just not enough to push me over yet. Besides my Remington 700 is like part of the family. Great video Ron!

@tufftrucker40 Жыл бұрын

Your latest and greatest comment hit me right in the feels. I realize that since the 6.5 creedmoor came out I have just ran to the gun shop to buy the latest and greatest. The best one I have is my 6.5 prc it is very accurate to 1000 yards or a 100 yards and puts deer meat in the freezer. I was seriously considering buying a 300 prc mostly for hunting but occasionally shooting steel. But I already have a very lonely and neglected 300 winny in my safe...I think I will stick with that one and my 6.5s and not run to the gun store for the latest and greatest...this time. Lol

@KingLoopie1 2 жыл бұрын

You can always buy a custom barrel with a faster twist and have it chambered in 300 WM and throated for those longer bullets and head-space off of the shoulder... Only saying that because I'm heavily invested in 300 WM. If I feel the need for more, I'll jump to 338 LM.

@danielbalder 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! Looks like 300PRC is the one for me. I'll mostly be hunting paper and steel, and only occasionally hunting critters.

@F15BOYOBOY Жыл бұрын

Another amazing video Ron thanks again. Love how you get down to the brass tax no pun intended. This video caught my eye because recently I just won a .300PRC Christiansen Arms Ridgeline with a Leupold Mark 5HD and they are also sending boxes of the 212gr Hornady that you have. I’m excited to see how it shoots. I shoot Hornady ELD-X 178s out of my .308 and I shoot holes in holes with that ammo it’s awesome. I do have a 300 Win Mag which I’ll shoot Hornady ELD-X 178s out of also it’s new but haven’t taken it to the range yet. Maybe I’ll get some 200gr as well and see. What do you suggest heavier grain for hunting or no?

@user-oe9ol9ww1x 8 ай бұрын

Great work

@georgelza Жыл бұрын

be interesting to hear your thoughts on the new 7mm prc

@calvinruggles732 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info Ron. As a handloader I guess I just have a hard time getting excited about this prc cartridge. The belt on my 300 win mag certainly doesn't bring anything great to the table, but it doesn't hurt anything either. My pet load drives a 212 grain eldx at 2875. The precision hunter 300 prc load claims to send the same bullet at 2860 fps. If I just shot factory ammo, I might sing a different tune

@drew55974 2 жыл бұрын

One of my fav target loads for the 300 wm,are 150 grn fmj on a chg of 4350

@Liamisdead99 Жыл бұрын

In my honest opinion that just seems a little over pressure, but that is imo.

@robertlocke7711 2 жыл бұрын

Could you please do a video on the 22 grendel. Wild cat

@joracer1 2 жыл бұрын

Ron I enjoy you videos. Your commentary is greatly appreciated. I have a challenge for you. It will be a hassle but will challenge all your shooting abilities, your knowledge of your preferred rifle choice while hunting. Here it is, 5 days no matter what conditions, 5 different targets at various unknown ranges from 60 to 500yds only one cold bore shot per day. Only measure the true distances after the shot. You can range with you scope reticle.. Challenge is to keep all 5 shots with in a 5" circle. What do you say?

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

I'd say that's a great training/testing regimen, but I'm not tackling it under current conditions. Three feet of snow! But maybe next spring! Good idea.

@vernonlarson7016 Жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors hi Ron. I was hoping that u would do another 300 PRC and put it against a 30 Sherman mag. It's a 300 prc Ackley improved round. What's cool about the 30 Sherman mag is that a person can fire 300 prc threw it like a 280 Remington threw a 280 ai. Thanks Ron. I have a 30 Sherman mag on a Batt action with a 30 bartline barrel. My new long range hunting and target rifle.

@haydenhumpherys1578 Жыл бұрын

My 300 prc is a dream to shoot. Love it

@trailertrashtactics Жыл бұрын

Well thanks a lot Ron. I'm going to go buy the custom 300 prc off the wall at my local shop now 🤣

@ronrichmond4694 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video sir. 👍👍👍

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@Carr4563 10 ай бұрын

The hitting power out of the PRC is enough to knock the snot out of a elk/moose. I’ll take the PRC just for the power and accuracy. Idc if I’m slapping targets at 900 yards.

@Henners34 2 жыл бұрын

The PRC is less about out performing the good old 300 Win-mag with higher muzzle velocities and impact energy. It's all about tight grouping at distance. Ron you said it right when you said "Precision"... Precise and tight groups to win Gold trophies. OH.... and it works as a hunting rifle to if you like to use expensive hard to find brass! Another great video too Ron

@snookmeister55 2 жыл бұрын

I like precision rifles for shooting, including hunting. Animals deserve clean death and hunters should be shooters not merely trigger pullers. My take

@georgecruz6226 2 жыл бұрын

Ron, the one on your left my right over rules them all! 300RUM baby! Thanks!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the RUM is faster, but some 30-378 Wby. Mag. loads are faster yet.

@darrelldickerson9696 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron. You told me all I need to know. I don't need a 300 prc.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to help

@MrJtin69 Жыл бұрын

Just getting a 300 rum ai also acomadating longer chamber with longer bullet to mimic the prc with a fast twist rate for heavier higher bc bullets

@MasterWitchDoctor Жыл бұрын

I bought a Savage 110 Precision today in 300 PRC. Not sure what glass Im going to put on it yet but Im leaning hard towards Steiner Predator 4.

@georgeholt8929 2 жыл бұрын

Ron, I'm working towards a build using a Terminus Kratos Action since I'm left handed, and a Proof Barrel. With a Jeweled trigger, in a XLR Chassis with a Leupold Mark V scope with David Tubb DTR V2 Targeting Reticle. I haven't decided on a muzzle break, maybe a Eric Cortina Tuner Break.

@rhubarbpie2027 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for these excellent comparison videos, sir. I would be interested in a 100m/100yd accuracy test with two *nearly* identical .300 WM/ .300 PRC rifles with SAAMI spec chambers. As you pointed out with the .300 WM chamber throat starting at .315", I think the accuracy/ consistency of the old Win Mag might be slightly less than the .300 PRC due to bullet yaw upon initially contacting the chamber throat. Much like target revolvers, accuracy is all about the "jump" from chamber to rifling and that has a big effect on internal ballistics.

@ronspomer4366 2 жыл бұрын

One could certainly make those tests, but they never prove if it was the cartridge or the individual rifle. Or the ammo. Many things from brass consistency and powder load consistency to seating depth to muzzle crown and much more can change precision. All else being equal, however, I suspect the tighter throat of the PRC would have to give it a slight edge. Then again, the average factory hunting rifle in 300 WM doesn't have to shoot 1/4 MOA to hit the vitals of any pronghorn out to 800 yards. Basic MOA will do it.

@mgomer9597 Жыл бұрын

Hi Ron look on the cover page I noticed the bullets are way to the right corner and I can't see the bottom I wanted to see if it was belted

@rodgerthackeray7978 2 жыл бұрын

If you only shoot factory ammo. Choose which ever cartridge you want. For reloading, a beltless cartridge is better. If you full length resize, the belt leads to clambering issues after about 3 reloadings. There is plenty of information on this issue. There is ways to remedy it, but takes an extra step in the reloading process.

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Well said

@sheepdawg6946 2 жыл бұрын

With the ammo and reloading difficulty today, I would stick to the 300 win mag maninly because I have a better chance of finding brass and availble ammo. Those two cartridges are too close to chose one or the other.

@Keifsanderson 2 жыл бұрын

Nevermind brass and bullets. I can't find primers and powder.

@pbgd3 2 жыл бұрын

@@Keifsanderson right I think this may be backwards. Right now if yoi can find primers and powders the rare bird brass amd rarebird bullets can be located. Ive been shooting more 28 and 16 gauge than 12 and 20 because I load less shot and powder and the cases and wads are available.

@doghouse916 2 ай бұрын

I have a 300prc because I walked into a gun shop one day and they had an mrad at between 3-4k and that was the caliber it was in. Traded a bunch of guns as fast as I could.

@brucemcmillan8750 2 жыл бұрын

my new xmas present was a new 300 WM and 200 pieces of brass ,my simple decision was bases on not finding any brass for the PRC except for Lapua not going there unless I only wanted 20 ,thanks Ron, Happy New Year

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Happy New Year, Bruce! Thank you for watching!

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 жыл бұрын

Those old belted magnums are fun to reload. Enjoy

@bhcfam 2 жыл бұрын

So... if you have a 300 Win Mag keep it even for long range stuff fur or steel but if you are in the market to purchase a 300 Class cartridge look to the 300PRC for the all around weapon.

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@TBstr8nsty Жыл бұрын

Clint wait to hear more on the 7mm PRC.

@russelljackson7034 2 жыл бұрын

Right on

@charlespayne1061 2 жыл бұрын

This's Ron for the video! For hunting? We all have allshots are taken at around 200 or less lol but as soon as we get back to camp and it turns into 9,000 yards and don't get me started on all the wolves the to kodiaks that I fought off with a knife and that damn honey badger" how they got to Virginia I don't know?

@randyschaff8939 Жыл бұрын

For hunting all day l would just go with the .300 WSM. It is a very efficient cartridge.

@ancientrenegade9243 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve settled on my new cartridge Ron. Gone for a 300 rum, 30 degree neck, unbelted case and seeing the barrel will be new 1:8.5 twist 30 incher. Like a 300prc but more betterer. Give cubby a carrot for me, does their teeth wonders.

@z1berzerker 10 ай бұрын

Been looking at the PRC's for years... I love my 300wm, will never change that. I do like the 6.5 prc has similar performance to .264 wm. I think there are 4 p's to hunting 🤔 penetration, placement,placement,placement... 6.5 rounds over 120gr penetrate very well 👌 in my opinion. 26 nosler is a burner and getting ammo is not very easy sometimes 😕. I think I found a PRC I like 6.5 👍😎 Great for the lower 48 😉