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@BigBeavrSlayer2 жыл бұрын
And just like that my day is made. Thanks Johnny!
@souldrinkerchaplain73652 жыл бұрын
I'd just like to say thank you. Watching your video's has taught me way more than I ever could imagine. I understand developing a load, how different equipment works, optional items that can make the task simpler, and so on. And it all due to you bud. Thank you so much. I am a better and safer reloader because of your efforts. Good luck this season!
@aleciacarpenter78562 жыл бұрын
A huge Amen to the Chaplain! Love and appreciate everything you do Johnny!
@stevegriffith86802 жыл бұрын
What the hell. I dont have to wait tell Sunday?? Hell yess.... you spoiled us back in the day with dailys then disappeared and now starting to come back regular.. Thank you sir..
@ReloadingQuest2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah two videos in one week
@jamespugh2 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree 👍 💯 Zak may. Jrb is the man
@Dr.Ballsonya2 жыл бұрын
I’m a new sub. I can’t thank you enough for the wealth of knowledge you’ve put on you tube. By far the best reloader video series on KZfaq. Just the business and none of the fluff You rock sir never change!
@danielcopeland45882 жыл бұрын
My sons Ruger predator loves the 168 ttsx with 44 grains of varget loaded at 2.750. It shoots consistently under 1”.
@joncandydancing2 жыл бұрын
The Ruger predators are great, inexpensive tack drivers. Mine loves the 150gr interlock with 45g IMR4064. The gun, scope and the Boyd’s stock was about a $800 rig…what a steal!
@rickerdman9116 Жыл бұрын
I did some testing with AR Comp, 165 gr GMX and 165gr TTSX bullets in my 308 Sig Cross. The rifle did not like the AR Comp so I tried the same in my POF Revolution and still no joy. I then tried 44grs of Varget with both those monolithic bullets with some great results and was under 1/2" in the Sig. I took a nice 200lb buck with the TTSX and had a nice pass through. Keep up the awesome work!
@MrBarlien2 жыл бұрын
How did I get here? Is this the 24th? No? Guess I should come back on Sunday. Looking forward to this!
@JohnnysReloadingBench2 жыл бұрын
You must have been watching the 308 playlist! It was added to the playlist already but doesn't go "public" until later tonight. The HD version wasn't done processing when you watched so I hope the quality was good enough! :)
@nathanmanley42032 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnysReloadingBench good enough for me on my cell
@MrBarlien2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnysReloadingBench Hey, all we need are those sultry tones and it's all good.
@jordanhays7322 жыл бұрын
I got home and got to watch two back to back JRB videos!!! I think I’m in heaven. I miss the way you use to say ( man ) Johnny, it was your trademark catchphrase.
@DanielBoone3372 жыл бұрын
Christmas came early this year 2 JRB videos in 4 days!!!! I love the Barnes TTSX and LRX bullets. The 100gr TTSX in 6.5 Grendel, the 120gr TTSX in 6.5 Creedmoor with shorter barrels and the 127gr LRX in Creedmoors with more traditional barrel lengths. I've never got the Hornady GMX bullets to shoot good and I've tried several time in multiple calibers... Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
@mike-rq4ye2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Johnny. I have heard that those monolithic bullets hate a copper fouled barrel. The GMX are apparently the most tolerant out of all of them but if you feel like there is unfinished business with this load, that would be a good theory to examine. Thanks again, love your work 👍👍
@johnwhitty90692 жыл бұрын
Glad to be seeing the 308 again. I'm building one on a 80 percent lower. Same aero upper
@johnwhitty90692 жыл бұрын
Gona be honest watching you struggle to find a barrel that shot well almost made me want to do a 6.5 creedmoor.
@claudiuclaudiu83312 жыл бұрын
nice man ! thanks.
@chriscahill96712 жыл бұрын
I allways learn something from your videos good work
@ddubd37712 жыл бұрын
Love the hunting aspect of your vids, as some of us only reload to get the best out of our hunting loads. Load development is the only target shooting I do. Perfect real world scenario for finding best load for a particular game animal. And that level of accuracy is perfect for the game animal you are after. Thanks for the entertainment and knowledge
@theproximian Жыл бұрын
I just started reloading .223 a little less than a year ago. Enjoying it a lot. Looking to expand to 308 and find your videos very informative. Thanks
@jbradley5002 жыл бұрын
Yay! Twice as nice this week.
@clinkerclint2 жыл бұрын
Hope you get a big one! Love the 308-AR10 content!
@JohnG9752 жыл бұрын
I found the GMX seat tight around the bands on my 270 Win. As well. I can’t get much better groups than you did. Excited to see how they perform on game. Good luck!
@swampysanta54452 жыл бұрын
i really love the details of your videos and shooting.
@reaford20042 жыл бұрын
Loving the regular videos man
@willpiersonw.v.42642 жыл бұрын
My favorite reloading channel.
@charlesbienvenu68582 жыл бұрын
Kudos to you sir. Best channel on YT! Good luck with the deer season.
@robertbrewer20552 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Hornady die test. I have the same die set for .308 and it always is difficult to resize my cases. I was always trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. Thanks for the info.
@houtzyboy22 жыл бұрын
Because of you, I have started my reloading journey, I have my press and probably 80% of everything I need. I want to thank you for all of your help and knowledge. You are amazing. On a separate note, if at all possible as a beginner, I would like to ask if you can do a video on what powders are a good idea (I am shooting .223), and possibly a bobs bullets cannelure vs non cannelure comparison
@circuit_stu2 жыл бұрын
Check out Johnny’s Bob’s Bullets shootout series. You will probably see similar accuracy and performance out of either version, so if you want to crimp, choose the cantelure, and if you don’t, choose the version without.
@houtzyboy22 жыл бұрын
@@circuit_stu thank you for the suggestion, I have already watched all of them, I am relatively new to this, and didn’t know if they cannelure did anything special other than crimp the bullet. Since I will be loading plinking ammo that will probably sit, I will most likely buy the cannelure anyway, i am just interested in what the difference would be if you put two bullets head to head one with and one without!
@circuit_stu2 жыл бұрын
@@houtzyboy2 make a video! Only one way to find out.
@harlandsanders15222 жыл бұрын
so far ive used h335 and win 748, works great with the bobs bullets im about to run another ladder test for accuracy
@Pete8562 жыл бұрын
Good choice that 3rd group, nothing there that would be considered a flyer. Looking forward to seeing some more 6.5 Creedmoor in the future, it was the 6.5 that you were doing a couple of years back that got me watching your channel.
@texpatriot84622 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you trying to load copper bullets. That was my goal for this year but no 6.5mm hunting bullets are available. Next year, I want to take a big Axis doe with one.
@jtwobickful2 жыл бұрын
I also am always on the lookout for things that feel weird
@maxtheroofer80042 жыл бұрын
ive got a theory on why those gmx dont shoot well from your gun. You stated the barrel is 1:11 twist, perhaps being those bullets are extremely long for their weight, a 1:10 twist would shoot them better: Length of bullet/bearing surface is one of the huge main factors that faster twists are used for heavier (longer) bullets. i always enjoy the content!
@tylarhaugan79082 жыл бұрын
I use 1:11 in my tikka and use 175 lrx from barnes
@benbowditch92652 жыл бұрын
@@tylarhaugan7908 Your Tikka's barrel is longer than 20", your COL is greater than 2.80", and your velocities must pretty damn fast! I'm seeing a gyroscopic stability of 1.2 in a 24" 1:11 @ 2,600 2.80" Just because you use them doesn't mean they shoot worth a hoot either :)
@tylarhaugan79082 жыл бұрын
@@benbowditch9265 shoot just fine only thing my gun doesnt like is the nosler e tip shoots like his gmx. His gun may not like the gmx but may like the barnes or e tip
@tylarhaugan79082 жыл бұрын
@@benbowditch9265 velocity is 2800 so pretty slow for my 300 winmag
@benbowditch92652 жыл бұрын
@@tylarhaugan7908 Oh come on.. I was thinking .308 haha I bet they shoot great outta a WM :)
@wolverinekut2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir for.308🔥👍
@338mag2 жыл бұрын
When using all copper bullets I use a heavy chamfer and deburr both inside and outside of the case neck. My .25/06 shot the gmx really well.
@nathanmanley42032 жыл бұрын
Heak yeah man
@l.a.38872 жыл бұрын
Thanks I appreciate your videos good job
@DanielGuillette2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with the 3rd group. I tried my .308 168 Barnes in a few different powders, and am sub moa to 200 with it. The factory Barnes often ran just over .5” for me, I didn’t play with overall length and used their ogive. Just hard times to play around copper as it’s hard to find and not cheap.
@rudolfyakich66532 жыл бұрын
This info is helpful . I am shooting my AR-10 with a 16" barrel at 600 yards using a 6X scope. I'm having good results with the 150 grain Hornady SST. I have just seated them to just under max length of the magazine. I will be trying 168 grain Hornady Match next. I bet the 150's will be better.
@rchopin42 жыл бұрын
Wooooo! 6.5CM AR-10 vids. Sweet! Looking forward to those. Would appreciate any testing you can do with the 147 ELD-Ms.
@takeashawnoutdoors55182 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your vids, makes me glad I have a good bolt action.
@robcullen99842 жыл бұрын
Thankyou Johnny
@fredmeebley2 жыл бұрын
I’ll never get tired of AR Comp. Good luck on the hunt, I hope the whitetail gods are smiling on you.
@posjoey2 жыл бұрын
I have the Wilson expander mandrel die that has the window. Works great!
@cory87912 жыл бұрын
I personally opinion on lead free bullets is go light weight bullet theses things love speed the faster the better in my finding!!
@1967Grizzy2 жыл бұрын
I think they're called gas checks. The grooves in the projectile.
@nmxdavenn2 жыл бұрын
It’s like my dad that left years ago to go get cigarettes is finally back!!
@theunknown5962 жыл бұрын
I had the same experience with the GMX I was using the 125grain 30cal in my Ar-10 in 308. I was using N-140 powder and I was pushing them close to 960m/s with maximum loads but accuracy was terrible about the size of a plate and bigger, as the velocity dropped down to 850m/s I got quite good accuracy about 1moa or something, I wasnt changing the seating depth a whole lot, i was just using the CIP overalllength. The GMX is wird somehow I thought it might be a flatshooting and deeppenetrating load but with these accuracy problems, I will try the ttsx next. Best regard from Europe, yes we also can have cool things here ;)
@jassonco2 жыл бұрын
Yep, third load. The lower vertical dispersion is the best, and like you said "150 yards is a LONG shot", for where you hunt.
@MenkDaMerc2 жыл бұрын
I think the top band is for loading high power 30 cal 308 300win mag 300 weatherby. But I'm pretty sure the bottom band is for 300 blackout lengths. Possible but I dont have the 2 in front me. Loving the chicken vlogs, ur doing well.
@thompsonjerry34122 жыл бұрын
I use the Black Hills 262 clone I stole from you to make a good day, shoots great, always!
@crossan0082 жыл бұрын
We need more 6ARC! I just bought a proof 18” 1/7.5 and I can’t wait to see how she shoots 105 bthp
@FLIGHT7622 жыл бұрын
With the all copper bullets, I like to go lighter to get a bit more velocity to insure expansion. Personally, I would use the 150 GMX in the 308. The 168 will do well for your hunting. As you found, the all copper bullets are much longer than their lead core counterparts and take up more case space. I use a 168 Barnes TTSX in the 300 Win. Mag. In the 30/06 the 150's and in my 270, a 110 @3250 FPS. Buddy took a nice Elk with the 168 300 W.M. and a Pronghorn @ 300 yards with the 110 270 load. The all copper bullets are a bit of a different animal.
@garrytalley80092 жыл бұрын
I do like your videos. I myself live in Kentucky as well. My shots get to about 155 yards out of the primary blind I shoot from. And as you say you really don't need to group that well on those shorter ranges. ARs are fun to shoot but honestly the bolt guns are better for hunting. One thing I thought I would mention is a 1-11 twist for a 308 isn't all that good. Most of them are a 1-10. The copper bullet is much longer, and you really need a higher twist barrel for it to shoot tighter. I would be shooting 150 grain flat based bullets out of that AR. Just saying the twist rate on those longer bullets isn't good.
@upnorthreloading22142 жыл бұрын
Both of the tests together are great, though. I like that you can see how the POI has a general trend downward, between the two videos, up until the final string where it goes back up and then to the left a bit. I trust that it is the load that throws consistent fliers. It almost looks like it wants to start to make a group, but then it has one or two outliers that are just fuck-all. If you were to continue testing - some time down the road - to see what the best group you could get with this bullet could be, it would probably only be worth it to do a slight increase or decrease in powder? But for hunting, any of these groups are going to get the job done, though, and be great.
@michaelmeyers18272 жыл бұрын
When I loaded 168 sierras for my .308 I used to shoot just under 2700 to get the best groups. And they had to touch the rifling
@DRockDreamin2 жыл бұрын
1 variable at a time. Painful but most effective way to eliminate problems
@tomburson55542 жыл бұрын
We all have bad days, thankfully there’s more good than bad!
@TheFlanman102 жыл бұрын
I abandoned the GMX. I was having pressure signs well before the barnes bullets and they didnt shoot as well. I tested in .270, .308, and .30-378. All the same issue.
@John_Redcorn_2 жыл бұрын
Alliant powder has been rare as hen’s teeth the last year or so. Wish i could find some
@IWatchedWhat2 жыл бұрын
Johnny, if you decide to work on the short barrel load for the 223 again the offer still stands if you want to borrow my 7.5" upper. I am just over in Central Kentucky so no big deal. FZ
@Duckhunterbow2 жыл бұрын
They're a little pricey, but they're in stock at cabelas and midway if you need more bullets
@MikeSessler2 жыл бұрын
That has pretty much been my experience with my AR10 in .308. It shoots a good group now and again, but man it is picky. And I'm still trying to figure out how to get the brass sized so it won't get stuck in the chamber. When I get really frustrated, I pull out the 6mm Creedmoor, pick a charge, seat some bullets and it shoots great. When I want to get aggravated, I go back to the .308…
@stickfighter10382 жыл бұрын
Got some of the165gr Hornady GMX on clearance a couple of years back. Really like them for the 308. Have had thoughts of trying them for the 300 Win Mag.
@ewetho2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a second video this week! So in the end the GMX is ehhh to yuck!
@jcjustice37862 жыл бұрын
Your the man
@308bushmaster2 жыл бұрын
Did someone say 308 ? lol. Great video 👍
@jameshagerman76812 жыл бұрын
You keep talking about how you've struggled with lead free bullets but if I remember correctly you had some decent luck out of the barnes tac-tx in 300 blackout a couple years ago.
@Chris-tw4jm2 жыл бұрын
Hey can we get some more 357/38 videos? I am working with my revolver more and would love to see some videos with the 110 Hornady XTP in these cartridges. Take it easy buddy nice work!
@cademarti13652 жыл бұрын
Revisit your 168 sierra mk load and order a couple more mandrels and see where it takes ya. Mandrels are cheap and it would make for an interesting video to see if you very well could shrink your group size/sd/ES. It's a neat rabbit hole to go down. Oh BTW I'm shooting an aero precision ar10 308 lapua brass, 210 primer, 175 sierra match king and imr enduron 4166 powder ar 41.2 grains. It has good speed
@carterthiessen26642 жыл бұрын
I bet that gmx would be a killer long distance hunting round in my 300 win mag. It pushes 165gr interlocks at 3200, which is great for trajectory but messy if a shot is under 150 yards or so. The gmx would hold together alot better at those closer range, higher velocity impacts
@Win52D2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps when seating the bullet you are expanding the case...due to elasticity when the case mouth hits the groove it is snapping back a little then expands at the next band without that elasticity you have no neck tension.
@jamespugh2 жыл бұрын
Great video agin jrb. GMX will do the job for sure on a deer but some reason that bullet ar comp don't work well in that gun wonder if different powder would change it. Also you plan on doing any more 357 mag hunting bullet reloading? Or some more 22-250
@jeffhuntley29212 жыл бұрын
If you learn something. Even if its a disaster. You haven’t waisted time. Don’t blow your face off:)
@gunnyd92822 жыл бұрын
Hornady caved. Let's go Brandon!
@recceshoe69112 жыл бұрын
Sorry about the 2 chickens Alfred.
@oddursigurdsson30462 жыл бұрын
Great info as always - just 1 Q - when seating bullets do you lube the "freedom seeds" before ?
@savage10302 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason sierra doesn’t make copper solids? Insanity Johnny!
@CaveWyatt2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff! Hey, were you ever able to bag anything with 6mm ARC? If I remember correctly last deer season was a bust for the ARC.
@besong64202 жыл бұрын
Hi Jonney I have the same problem with the lead free projectiles. The Tikka T3 11 twist 24inch shoots under half an inch groups all day 165~180 gr range lead core projectiles. But same weight hunting copper projectiles groups are garbage. I think that even though they are the same weight the density is different, because of that the projectile shape which is normaly longer and bigger than the lead core might be effecting the barrel friction and spin ect. It might be worth trying a longer slow barrel like a Palma Match guns or super fast twist barrel 8 or 9. It willl be interesting to see the results.
@xnorcal831x2 жыл бұрын
With the col getting smaller would that effect burn rate with stick powders? Less air space not allowing it to burn as much.
@devinb33972 жыл бұрын
Monos are super finniky IMO. Couldn’t get etips to shoot under 1.5 inches in my tikka for 3 shot groups. Chuck in anything Hornady or accubonds and shoots 0.5-0.75 moa all day
@homersaypian37982 жыл бұрын
I was kind of hoping you’d break that 1” mark, but close enough. Good luck with the hunt this year!
@Peterdragon87692 жыл бұрын
I’m looking forward to your results on game. I head shot a 372lb Maine black bear in September with this bullet in 30-06 with no expansion.
@Nick-sx6jm2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the GMX and TTSX are garbage unless you want to shoot through elephant shoulders. Have tried the ttsx in two different calibers and lot numbers on game and had no expansion. Shot a black bear with a 340 wby mag loaded with the 160 gr and tracked it for 300+ yards until it crossed a river and never found it. Shot a Wisconsin buck at 350 yards with a 257 wby loaded with an 80 gr and there was no blood at all. After looking for over 3 hours I found it about 150 yards away and the exit was .257 diameter.
@zachgilpin35042 жыл бұрын
How do like the RCBS Rebel, thinking about upgrading my old rock chucker.
@aaronobrien20042 жыл бұрын
I still think you're in that no go velocity range for .308 win. 2650 or 2750 is magic. You may sometimes find something in between, but rarely.
@markk97942 жыл бұрын
LE Wilson makes the neck sizing die with the window.
@islayporkers35292 жыл бұрын
I'm new to the AR-10 game, I have a Stag Marksman 18" in 308 win. I'm having a hard time getting 1 MOA out of it. I whole heartedly believe that I am the issue. I've gotten to 1.25 in but it is NOT consistent. I have allot of experience with precision bolt gun shooting. Can anyone point me to any information that can help me be a more precise shooter with the gas system rifle. I can't seem to find what will help. Also thank you for all the work you do Johnny, this is priceless information.
@Jet2416-Reloading2 жыл бұрын
Johnny - have you seen the new Hornady CX bullets? They are a copper alloy solid like the GMX with the ballistic tip like the ELD's and others. The bearing surface grooves are different than the GMX and they have a slightly better B.C. I absolutely loathed the GMX bullets because I could not get them to shoot well no matter what I tried. Maybe the CX will do better. Hey, it's Hornady, it's gotta be worth a try.
@briancowan43182 жыл бұрын
RE AR Comp, shoot what you got!
@harrisonhelterbrand43872 жыл бұрын
What part of Norteast KY? That’s where I grew up. Live in Lexington now.
@dubya25142 жыл бұрын
Good vidja 👍, let us all know where to get 8pounds of comp please 😜!
@marklacombe26712 жыл бұрын
I don't thing it's wasted Johnny. Just found what doesn't work. "I've Just Found 10,000 Ways That Something Won't Work." Thomas Edison
@ExF1Guy2 жыл бұрын
Johnny, what did you think of the GMX as a hunting bullet? I shot a buck at 86m last year with a 185gr GMX out of a 338 WM (excessive I know). Bullet should have hit going >2850fps and yet I saw no evidence of expansion. It was a broadside shot and dropped him where he stood, but the exit and entrance holes were basically identical. Lots of hydrostatic damage and fragmentation of bone, but the bullet didn't appear to expand. I would have liked to recover the bullet, but it was somewhere under 2ft of snow.
@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill2 жыл бұрын
I notice faxon 7.62x39 AR-15 barrel is .308 bore. I notice other makes are .311 and .310. Faxon says, all diameter bullets run in their barrel. Any thoughts?
@amym8282 жыл бұрын
What's the recommended twist rate for that bullet? Typically monolithic bullets prefer a lil bit faster twist. Not saying they're not stabilizing, but maybe they just don't like that 1-11 twist.
@christen229912 жыл бұрын
Have you had any problems with full length resized 308 brass trimmed to 2.005 not allowing your bolt to close? I have had this happen with a set lee and rcbs dies and don’t know why.
@aj517322 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the GMX is a bit long for your twist rate? According to strelok your gyroscopic stability factor is only 1.3 with the GMX at 1:11. The SST is up around 1.9. Might be that the bullets are wandering a bit due to yaw? The 150 GMX might stabilise a bit better?
@briangunner83552 жыл бұрын
Would the over worked case have higher pressure,,,,,,, it’s pressed smaller??????
@MrDennisLB2 жыл бұрын
Where are you getting AR-Comp powder?
@jackonsline84062 жыл бұрын
Should try out the new cx bullet
@petergoertzen56582 жыл бұрын
Are you gonna post a video about the hunt I wish !!!
@kayfrancisco77952 жыл бұрын
What are the gauges you use to measure shoulder bump
@johnwilliams402 жыл бұрын
Were the primers suppose to be 34s instead of 41s?