310.15(E) Neutral Conductor

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Dave Gordon

Dave Gordon

2 жыл бұрын

Explanation of when and why we count a neutral as a current carrying conductor for the purpose of derating (ampacity adjustment).

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@joeljahnke9000
@joeljahnke9000 Жыл бұрын
Dave, you are an exceptional teacher. I appreciate, so much, your organized and sequential manner in which you teach. You rock!
@Calico5string1962
@Calico5string1962 Жыл бұрын
Your video presentations are simply the BEST I have ever watched. So we'll explained and presented. As an industrial/commercial electrician for over 40 years, I really enjoy watching your stuff! It's always a great refresher for me. Thank you, Dave, for sharing your knowledge and insight!
@JesseKlaus
@JesseKlaus 7 ай бұрын
This is probably the most thorough explanation of shared neutrals I've seen - well done.
@danielelise7348
@danielelise7348 9 ай бұрын
This guy actually makes learning this complex stuff enjoyable.🤔⚡
@khanhho8471
@khanhho8471 12 күн бұрын
Thank you Dave. You make it very easy to understand.
@bahbee5659
@bahbee5659 Жыл бұрын
“Oop, keep my thumb down.” A great educator & can bring a smile to my face👍
@michaeldonnelly2977
@michaeldonnelly2977 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! I was looking for an explanation of exactly HOW current can possibly flow back to the source through the second hot leg on a multi wire circuit, from an electrical theory point of view. You explained it very simply and eloquently with your “trading post“ analogy. Thank you, sir! This was very, very helpful!
@DanielRamos-bq8py
@DanielRamos-bq8py 9 күн бұрын
excellent job sir ! well explained and much appreciated !
@stephendavis6408
@stephendavis6408 Жыл бұрын
Clear and concise explainations of both the theory and the NEC. Thank you.
@pamdemonia
@pamdemonia Жыл бұрын
That was great! Wish you had been my code teacher when I was an apprentice!
@soundman2604
@soundman2604 10 ай бұрын
Best teacher ever, and above all correct!
@martf1061
@martf1061 Жыл бұрын
16:35 Thank you. Now i understand why, sometimes, the engineers asked for a double wired neutral in transformers. I learned more in 2h watching your explainations, than i did in 20 years . I suggest you do some videos about motors.
@charlieperez6844
@charlieperez6844 6 ай бұрын
Im so glad i subscribed to your channel. Your videos have helped me understand a bit more. Thank you!
@user-xw5ve7nc9k
@user-xw5ve7nc9k 9 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@tfun101
@tfun101 8 ай бұрын
At 6:40 I was like….”ohhhhh duh” and it all finally made sense. 🙃
@ryanjourneymanwireman4937
@ryanjourneymanwireman4937 Жыл бұрын
One of the best electrical videos I've seen (hoping info is correct) but thanks
@renediaz5162
@renediaz5162 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome and useful class!
@johnnyelectric7572
@johnnyelectric7572 Жыл бұрын
again....just a great Teacher. Thanks!
@doctorgoodwrench
@doctorgoodwrench 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for continuing to post, Dave. Your explanations are remarkable.
@davegordon6819
@davegordon6819 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your vote of confidence, and thanks for engaging with the other viewer. I put a link to my new "open neutral" video in the responses below if you're interested.
@Lazdinger
@Lazdinger Жыл бұрын
Soli Deo Gloria for this man’s videos.
@benfurnish9948
@benfurnish9948 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. It makes total sense now. Plus a bonus for having the Soli Deo Gloria posted.
@davegordon6819
@davegordon6819 Жыл бұрын
Thanks brother. I am thankful for God's mercy to me and may He help us both to use what He has given us for His glory.
@paulmullen573
@paulmullen573 Жыл бұрын
Great videos, Dave. A suggestion... a set of videos on Grounding and Bonding would be super helpful. I understand the concepts, but I don't understand how the grounding and bonding topics are organized in the NEC and I spend a lot of time flipping pages to be sure.
@mcarroll598
@mcarroll598 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation!
@mph5986
@mph5986 2 жыл бұрын
Clearly and easy understand. 👍
@michaelcostello6991
@michaelcostello6991 Жыл бұрын
Excellent lecture. So well explained. Cannot think of any questions after this
@michaelarriaga08
@michaelarriaga08 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video thank you so much
@daveculbertson602
@daveculbertson602 Жыл бұрын
Very informative video.
@abigalanderson7494
@abigalanderson7494 Жыл бұрын
I like how Dave puts the code section next to his pictures
@ochoaelectric5175
@ochoaelectric5175 Жыл бұрын
Nicely done
@MrKandela10
@MrKandela10 Жыл бұрын
the best explanation!
@Peace88Hi
@Peace88Hi Жыл бұрын
Thank you prof.
@ramonqo1
@ramonqo1 Жыл бұрын
You are the best.
@TheCompton1963
@TheCompton1963 Жыл бұрын
Dave is the best! 🧑🏻‍🏫
@xevierred6330
@xevierred6330 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@justd3123
@justd3123 Жыл бұрын
so clear, tnx
@brentcory8194
@brentcory8194 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! So am I correct in saying in most commercial applications i.e. office buildings, schools, medical offices, etc. we should be counting the neutral due to 310.15(E)(3)?
@chadhardwick9214
@chadhardwick9214 Жыл бұрын
Dudes a correction factor ninja….😎
@safetythirdified
@safetythirdified Жыл бұрын
Where have you been all my life!
@RustyJeepHole
@RustyJeepHole Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir
@morelightpm457
@morelightpm457 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. JW - LU #613
@NeoN-PeoN
@NeoN-PeoN 4 ай бұрын
Is it not the case that basically all home setups are unbalanced? I mean, no one is going through their homes and adding the amps up on each circuit to ensure they're balanced. So in the neutral is probably always carrying current, right?
@tommywatterson5276
@tommywatterson5276 4 ай бұрын
I remember something about neutral ampacity rating at 70% of phase voltage
@faroutdesign
@faroutdesign 3 ай бұрын
Great video! I don’t get to work with a lot of wye systems. I have seen a 10 awg neutral on a shared system with non linear loads. Is this a code article requirement or just a good work practice?
@TheMinecraftACMan
@TheMinecraftACMan 2 жыл бұрын
For the single phase drawing at the top, where you had two separate multi-wire circuits, would it introduce the potential for any weirdness if the two non-shared neutrals were accidentally swapped?
@davegordon6819
@davegordon6819 2 жыл бұрын
Good question. If the two neutrals were swapped on the right side of the top diagram it could create a big problem. You would then have the lower black wire sharing a neutral with the upper black wire. The result would be that that neutral would carry the addition of the two black wires - meaning that if each was carrying 20 amps, the neutral would be carrying 40 amps. They would not cancel each other out. It would be like sharing a neutral between two wires from the same leg (bus) in a residential panel. This is why when we are working with 120/240 V single-phase panels we need to make sure that if we share neutrals, we share them between one wire from one bus and one wire from the other bus. Likewise, in other facilities where we run more than one multiwire branch circuit within the same conduit, we must identify which neutrals go with which phase conductors [see NEC 200.4(B)]. Alternately, if you tied the two neutrals together, you could entertain similar issues depending on how much current is flowing on each hot conductor... I plan, at some point, to make videos that focus on current flow with the various systems and point out these sorts of problems.
@mariogregory4922
@mariogregory4922 Жыл бұрын
I like Dave!
@alyssaisaackson6797
@alyssaisaackson6797 Жыл бұрын
I have a 3 phase solar inverter combiner panel the load is balanced on all 3 phases. I don’t even think the neutral Carry’s current would I have to count it ?
@pakistanian2325
@pakistanian2325 2 ай бұрын
May Allah bless u.❤
@markchidester6239
@markchidester6239 Жыл бұрын
Is there a situation where the neutral wire needs to be larger gauge than the "hot" wires because it has the potential of carrying more amps than the "hot" wires?
@warrenjtaylor8714
@warrenjtaylor8714 Ай бұрын
The first system is slightly wrong i thought because the coils are wound in opposite direction, so line to line is 180 out of phase. Hence the 'split'. Also tell them it's a voltage source not current source if any load asks...
@mikebavoso26
@mikebavoso26 10 ай бұрын
Very good. Does anyone know if Dave is a professor at a nationally recognized University?
@ericthered9655
@ericthered9655 2 жыл бұрын
Why doesn't the voltage increase if the waves are out of phase?
@patricksmith2414
@patricksmith2414 Жыл бұрын
Would the neutral count if it were a 4-wire, 3 phase wye connected system with only 1 phase conductor and the neutral?
@BG-eng
@BG-eng Жыл бұрын
Every time you have a single phase a neutral Carry the current back so that group is counted as 2 wires
@yusprogres5271
@yusprogres5271 Жыл бұрын
Yessss
@brianskellenger9344
@brianskellenger9344 Ай бұрын
🎯
@dlp7130
@dlp7130 2 жыл бұрын
Hello mrs Dav.. so if the main neutral wire loose what is going to happen to the system?
@davegordon6819
@davegordon6819 2 жыл бұрын
If the neutral is still connected but loose, it could create a high-resistance point in the circuit that would not only get hotter than it should, but could create voltage drop due to the high-resistance point being in series with rest of the circuit. However, if you are asking what happens if it gets disconnected, then I'll refer you to a video I just made that addresses that exact issue of an "open neutral": kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grCmrMWQvNvOips.html
@dlp7130
@dlp7130 2 жыл бұрын
Thk you very much mrs Dave
@jeanv4871
@jeanv4871 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, my husband has some questions and wanted to know if you do one on one video calls plz let me know! Thank you!!
@Waffel-eb2gf
@Waffel-eb2gf Жыл бұрын
whta does it mean when you say "add heat" ?
@stanislavbakanov2898
@stanislavbakanov2898 2 жыл бұрын
So if I have 2 loads at 20 amps and it’s going through the neutral not towards the source but towards the second load and back through the red, I should be able to disconect neutral and it still works yeah?!
@davegordon6819
@davegordon6819 2 жыл бұрын
This is not something that you would actually do in a 120/240 Single-Phase system, but if the loads are equal to each other that would work. The reason it would work is that if the loads are balanced there is no current on the shared part of the neutral. However, the reasons we would not disconnect the shared neutral from the source in real life is that when we turn the second load off it would also break the circuit for the first load. Also, if we had two different ampacity loads on the two halves then the voltage drops would reflect the resistances (or impedances) on each half and you would not maintain a consistent 120 V (or whatever your system calls for) on each side. You can destroy equipment if you feed it with a voltage that is outside of its range. That is why we always want to avoid an "open neutral" condition - in order to maintain a consistent voltage between black and the neutral (L1-N) and red and the neutral (L2-N). You could apply ohm values to the loads in the (series) circuit you envision and draw out the circuit, then do a couple calculations to see what the voltage drops would look like with the same and different size loads...
@stanislavbakanov2898
@stanislavbakanov2898 2 жыл бұрын
@@davegordon6819 you saying that A would complete circuit through B because one side of each load will physically and electrically connected to neutral.? If in that case it’s going through both loads and they say resistive, won’t the voltage chock up?
@doctorgoodwrench
@doctorgoodwrench 2 жыл бұрын
@@stanislavbakanov2898 I believe Dave's explanation was based on the assumption you eliminated the neutral as stated in your initial query. Which would in turn create a series circuit of additive value with the 20 amp loads you referenced. And then he touched on the potential consequences should anything be less than perfect.
@stanislavbakanov2898
@stanislavbakanov2898 2 жыл бұрын
@@doctorgoodwrench I understand, the elimination of neutral as far as connection at the transformer but the conductor remains in circuit connecting AAbd B
@doctorgoodwrench
@doctorgoodwrench 2 жыл бұрын
@@stanislavbakanov2898 the portion of the neutral wiring remaining would only serve as a conductor in series between the loads.
@GailsonPvPwtf
@GailsonPvPwtf Жыл бұрын
*raises hand* If you take 2 of the hots in a 3 phase service to power a 1 phase device, wouldn't the voltage be irregular since the waves and troughs of the AC current aren't oppsite and balanced? Apprentice here.
@WorBlux
@WorBlux Жыл бұрын
Assuming a wye configuration - peak to peak Voltage across 2 phases is 2(cos(30)) of p2p-V on and single phase. So 208 on a 120 Wye. But it's still a regular sine wine. (Any addition of sine waves at the same frequency is another sine wave on that frequency.
@etherealrose2139
@etherealrose2139 Жыл бұрын
Power goes in and out both conductors. It's a perfect sine wave at whatever voltage the two are at line to line.
@TM-cm4gb
@TM-cm4gb Жыл бұрын
Quite interesting, as european i wasnt sure how US 120/240V thing works but logical ofc. Fault with open neutral would cause all kinds of shenanigans in the the system then whereas in EU system it would fully turn off the circuit. I wonder if it is a problem with devices getting destroyed etc with that kind of fault.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 11 ай бұрын
Three phase is common in Europe and in it the results are similar to what in the US split phase. On the other hand in the UK style single phase broken neutral puts full 240 V to equipment cases. In split phase and three phase it can be smaller than the full mains.
@P8ntmagnit
@P8ntmagnit Жыл бұрын
What song is this?
@stevebrule6172
@stevebrule6172 Жыл бұрын
I have a tricky multiple choice question, hopefully someone with more knowledge can help me out A White/grey wire in a feeder circuit ________: A)Be bonded or have a circuit breaker B)Is the largest wire in that circuit C)Should not have a voltage to ground My notes: On the main panel, neutral is connected to the bar that is bonded with the panel, the green grounding wire is also connected to the same bar. (so does that mean the answer is A?) In the sub panel, the neutral wire is connected to the neutral bar which is isolated from the metal box with plastic between them, the Green grounding wire is separated and is connected to its own bar that is bonded to the sub panel box. In the circuit that this question applies to, --------- “The neutral wire is going to be sized larger than the Green grounding wire” (But that doesn’t mean it’s the LARGEST in the circuit right? Because the two hot wire could be the same size) --------"The neutral should have no potential difference(voltage) to the ground" (does that mean the answer is C?) (But that doesn’t mean it’s the LARGEST in the circuit right? Because the two hot wire could be the same size)
@muradzeynal
@muradzeynal Жыл бұрын
hey brother, did you find the answer? I want to know as well
@Victorkorchemniy
@Victorkorchemniy 7 ай бұрын
“Counting the individual neutral, with one hot.” I get the electrical theory, but it’s not in writing in the code book. How come ? They should add a #4 to clarify that even though is common sense, it’s not mandated in code in specific writing
@TrevorSachko
@TrevorSachko Жыл бұрын
Balanced load, don't use a neutral. Unbalanced load, use a neutral.
@timault8209
@timault8209 Жыл бұрын
Dave... Why do you call power carried by a conductor "heat". I 'think' I know why. But can you explain your use of that word in the context of this lecture, please? (Notice, fellow viewers, that I ask DAVE... and not YOU... for Dave's explanation.)
@grabir01
@grabir01 Жыл бұрын
Remove the earth ground. Then what you say is true.
@JAYDELROSARIQ
@JAYDELROSARIQ 4 ай бұрын
There are no harmonic you need flux
@abdelghanich7804
@abdelghanich7804 Жыл бұрын
hello, Dave i have a question and if you have a time answer me please , first of all thanks for every efforts that you give us so , In a single-phase transformer input, one wire getting entry as live, another as neutral. But what would be in case of its output? In output, which-wire would be phase, and which-one would be neutral? pasteboard.co/dlGFszYF6Iai.png
@BG-eng
@BG-eng Жыл бұрын
The system is AC, any one can be hot or neutral. but usually ground/bond is connected to one of the wire which is than identified as neutral. Let’s wait for Dave to comment further
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