350 SBC Chevy $1600 budget build How much HP will it make on the dyno??

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Gold's Garage

Жыл бұрын

This is the final episode of the budget build.
We had originally planned to advance, and retard the camshaft on the dyno but, due to excessive leak down on 4 cylinders we decided to do these tests another day to provide more accurate data. Testing with this issue could prove inaccurate data, as it is difficult to quantify the effect it would have on HP/TQ.

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@hardtail-gy8dk
@hardtail-gy8dk 2 ай бұрын
Fun build i wouldn't be too disappointed, this demonstrates the value in dyno tuning to smooth out the delivery
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for commenting.AG
@jebuster38
@jebuster38 Жыл бұрын
Great content! I always enjoy your videos. I have been a diy mechanic for over 30 years and have never dyno tested anything I have built. This really puts it into a realistic perspective as to what to expect from a similar combo. I never tell anyone how much horsepower I expect an engine I build will make bc there are just too many factors that can affect the outcome.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks JebBuster, appreciate your comments. AG
@edsmachine93
@edsmachine93 11 ай бұрын
Nice build and a positive outcome. For the investment pretty good results. I am impressed. Nice explanation on the dyno sheets by Darell. Thanks for sharing. Take care, Ed.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your nice comments Ed. Glad you enjoyed it. AG
@johnz8210
@johnz8210 Жыл бұрын
I'm liking this series, very well done. A lot of things have to go right to have a good running reliable engine.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks John. I call the dyno the lie detector and the ultimate torture test. AG
@johncalhoun8011
@johncalhoun8011 11 ай бұрын
@@goldsgarage8236 Absolutely
@HeadFlowInc
@HeadFlowInc Жыл бұрын
My DD-5 was way high on TQ. I changed the cam to ICL 108° and switched from Large tube to Small tube headers: 356hp @5000 423tq @2500 ***Highest HP and highest HP/TQ Average I had to change the ICL to 111°
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Headflow. You are having fun with your program. All good info, thanks for sharing. AG
@andycothern4147
@andycothern4147 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video series! Enjoyed and learned something from every video! Thanks
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Andy, your comments motivate me to keep going. AG
@brandonpriest3604
@brandonpriest3604 11 ай бұрын
I put basically the same set up in my 1983 chevy c20 truck project. Same cam and all. Lol. I made 350 as well with the ported stock heads. So I'm happy to see the same results. I wish I could share pictures in your comments. Nice build Allen. Looks an sounds great !!!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Brandon, sounds like we are thinking along the same lines. AG
@larryburns4605
@larryburns4605 Жыл бұрын
Good real world video enjoy the fact that you don't hide things and most times heads will seal up better after run in most shops now days won't lap valves after valve job . Keep up the real work .
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Larry. We were hoping for the valves to seal, and sometimes they do, however I actually checked the worst cylinder halfway through the dyno test and it was still pretty bad. AG
@johnkufeldt3564
@johnkufeldt3564 Жыл бұрын
great series, I have to make sure I watch all10 vids. Cheers from Calgary.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Cheers back. Calgary is a great town, I have been there many times. AG
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 Жыл бұрын
350hp/400tq fresh SBC for $1600 bucks is a good deal.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Reluctant, always appreciate your input. AG
@OGfancy420
@OGfancy420 11 ай бұрын
It is, considering the price of about 100 more hp and tq
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 11 ай бұрын
@@OGfancy420 Engines can get expensive quick. I'm currently building a "low buck" 357ci that's gonna make 500+hp NA, but it's already $5000+ in parts & machine work. Probably be $6000 to $6500 bucks before it runs. "Low buck".....
@OGfancy420
@OGfancy420 11 ай бұрын
@thereluctantgearhead4544 my 383 was 4k shipped, and that was in 2019. Same engine is 6k before shipping and taxes now.
@robertwest3093
@robertwest3093 11 ай бұрын
​@@goldsgarage8236 makes me wonder if someone secretly had a gun to his head to price it at that number!
@terry9026
@terry9026 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ,learned alot from this video, good info, my son and I built a similar engine, the only difference is we tore it down again and put new flat top pistons rods ARP,bolts they came with the rods, and new aftermarket cast vortec heads and a 1102 classic cam, 1.6 roller tip rockers. We have not dyno the motor hope to this or next summer. We are in eastern ont. Orleans area,
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Terry, sounds like you will have a nice engine. Glad my video was helpful. AG
@terrywillis5784
@terrywillis5784 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the next one.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Terry. Next is a 400 SBC roller engine. Watch for it. AG
@backyardbuilttrucks1
@backyardbuilttrucks1 10 ай бұрын
We built a 355 sbc with set of flotek heads , flat tappet hydraulic cam stock cast bottom end and made really good power and torque for 1600 bucks . This was a great video to show what you can do in a low dollar build.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 ай бұрын
Thanks Backyard. Your comments validate the point we were trying to make. AG
@issacthomas1976
@issacthomas1976 6 ай бұрын
I actually would love to see or get a list of the things to get, bc I’m trying to turn my 350 into a strong 355 motor
@randyslatton3945
@randyslatton3945 Жыл бұрын
Awesome content. Thanks everybody
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting Randy. AG
@nakedshorts6784
@nakedshorts6784 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to you and your team for the hard work and info. I might want to hire Daryl some day to test an engine for me too. The thing about the exhaust flow numbers was interesting, I wonder if a slightly different rocker ratio would work on the exhaust valves? Maybe it would be interesting to try that if you retest this engine after you do the leak down repair?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Very good point Nakedshorts. I am wondering the same thing. If you noticed the shorter collector that we tried had the same effect of reducing the over scavenging and it improved the HP. On my next build of a 400 I am planning to start with 1.6:1 on the intakes and 1.5:1 on the exhaust valves. We are always learning. AG
@paulcarter2879
@paulcarter2879 11 ай бұрын
I knew it was going to make a good bit of torque from down low!! I could hear it in the other short!! This is not bad at all!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comments Paul. AG
@jacquelinechellis4036
@jacquelinechellis4036 Жыл бұрын
300 h.p. at 4000 rpm with 50 more and good torque also. The rings are sealing up the friction in the motor will lessen a little with miles and when you fix the leaky valves it gonna get the 375. And Nice idle drive ability engine. Good video thanks.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Jacqueline. You are right on. watch for the follow up video. AG
@markmcmullen1371
@markmcmullen1371 Жыл бұрын
Not bad, good work guys, should be a really nice street engine.👍
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Mark. We will fix the exhaust valves and make it better. Mike will have a nice engine for his Monte Carlo. AG
@jesseduke694
@jesseduke694 Жыл бұрын
Great video though! I love it when people do real diy builds! Builds using oem iron heads are much more interesting to me becouse thats my caliber. Thats what i relate to because thats what my builds are like. This is the best! The only way it would have been more relatable for me is if it was the same, but with a ford FE. Thats what im workiin with in my shop.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Jesse, I would do a Ford if someone brings it to me. AG
@leonardfoster6252
@leonardfoster6252 Жыл бұрын
You can change the spring in the oil pump to lower the oil pressure and if bearing clearance is too tight, use bearings that have .001" extra clearance, perfect bearing clearance for small block should be .002" on rods and .0025" on mains.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Leonard. We were pretty close to that in this build. The clearance is sufficient. The oil pressure spring will relieve at the set point, but if more volume of oil keeps coming, the pressure will still increase. Pumps pump volume, pressure occurs when the flow is restricted. Pressure x Volume is a constant. AG
@tomstrum6259
@tomstrum6259 11 ай бұрын
Very comprehensive garrage Build & Dyno test Results on this 350 Chevy.....The unfortunate High Leak-Down cylinder Issues is Why I like to Leak-Down test all heads Before Engine Assembly by Clamping a 1/2" thick Sealing Plate (with appropriate Gasket or rubber O-ring) to Each cylinder head Deck Combustion Chamber & performing Leak-Down test to catch All cylinder head & valve job Leakage Before Engine Assembly.....This way Each cylinders Total assembled Leak-Down # can be Identified & Evaluated to Valve job Leakage or Piston ring/Bore Sealing Seperate categories.....
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
That is a great idea Tom. I may work on fabricating a plate to do this. In the meantime, from now on I will make a leakdown test right after I install the heads. If they leak, take them off and fix them before continuing. AG
@zAvAvAz
@zAvAvAz 11 ай бұрын
Great budget 350 build thanks a ton. This is great.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Dennis
@kermets
@kermets Жыл бұрын
Great work.....
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Kermets. Please keep watching and commenting. AG
@billhendon1017
@billhendon1017 18 күн бұрын
That’s cool thanks man !!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 18 күн бұрын
Thanks Bill. AG
@magnusdanielsson2749
@magnusdanielsson2749 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Good to see also what bad leak down test can produce. Maybe some of the leak down is due to the rings not being broke in? But I know from experience that one can get bad valve job even from an experienced machinist. In my case the seats cut beautifully but he was off by maybe a degree on the valve lean. So it looks fine but when shining a light in the port its obvious that the valve seat is canted in relation to the valve. He dont normally vacuum test but go by look, sound etc. And in a case like this vacuum would show anything since in would draw the valve shut/sealed. Might have sealed up fine in the engine but would have worn out the valve guides for sure. And since one pay for excellence ist whats expected. And the head porter/machinist was dismayed and wanted to fix it. Everyone can make mistakes. So one need to check and check again it would seem.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your valued comments as always Magnus. We were curious also, now we know! Yes, things happen and mistakes are made. That is why it is so important to check. I wonder how many engines are running around with the same issue and the owner is oblivious to it. From now on I will be doing a leak down test as soon as the heads are installed. AG
@DarrellWatters
@DarrellWatters 11 ай бұрын
After 3 runs on the dyno the power and torque start repeating so that tells us the rings are seated and ready for tuning 👍🏻
@TomSmith-cv8hk
@TomSmith-cv8hk Жыл бұрын
Hope you do a video on what got messed up on the heads, makes you wonder just how good the whole valve job was, could be power in getting some decent seats and angles cut, back cut intake valves ? Reduce exhaust duration to make more power, that'd be a first, fuel out the exhaust, well yer, the exhaust valves aren't sealing.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
You are right on Tom. We will do a follow up with lessons learned. AG
@leonardfoster6252
@leonardfoster6252 Жыл бұрын
Oh! Allen, I forgot to add that I believe I have the right combination to make my car run as good as it does, 60 ft. times are 1.20 et.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
That's great, It takes more than just a good engine to do that. Thanks Leonard. AG
@davidreed6070
@davidreed6070 11 ай бұрын
What does the engine sound like while it is cranking, can you hear cylinders low on pressure when you get the valves sealed up you might try 1.6 rockers, but only on the intake side. I've usually found a substantial gain on the average.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks David. It sounds fine, so evidence of anything wrong. We will do another leak down and compression test when I get the engine back here and fix whatever is wrong. 1.6 on the intake only makes sense. AG
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty 11 ай бұрын
Yep, no way a "500"cfm two-barrel carb is going to make as much power as a 600cfm four-barrel, even if the engine is "claiming" it's only using "500"cfm. Great video, thanks for sharing!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Anarchy, the dyno is the best way to find out. AG
@RH-ry2zi
@RH-ry2zi 11 ай бұрын
I have been following along while I build my 350. Is it possible to turn the engine by hand and check lifter rotation? Maybe a video. Thanks
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Sure, I can do that. Thanks for the suggestion RH.AG
@docsmallblock6584
@docsmallblock6584 11 ай бұрын
Good enough to burn some tires and have some fun with around town, especially if hooked up to a 4 speed!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Doc. It will be even better after we fix it. AG
@gavincarroll2553
@gavincarroll2553 11 ай бұрын
Bought a 92 bbc with peanut ports spun it over till we hit compression it sat a few more day went to turn it over again and it still had good compression
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
thanks for the info Gavin. AG
@Redneck-Rants-ko8pm
@Redneck-Rants-ko8pm 10 ай бұрын
Am I missing something here on your price list at 27:01 on the video? I don’t see the new piston and rod price on it. Video #1 you said they ran $540.00 US, just wondering. Thanks
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for your question Justin. The pistons that Mike bought were Hypereutectic. When i measured the piston to cylinder wall clearance it was too much for a Hypereutectic piston so Mike returned them. The original pistons were forged and the clearance was good for forged pistons (.0035" -.004") so Mike cleaned them up and we reused them. We did replace one of the pistons and mounted it on the original rod. Sorry for the confusion. AG
@ZMANPERF
@ZMANPERF Жыл бұрын
You will probably see less leak down now that the motor has been run. Curious to see.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks ZMAN. correct, we will do a follow up leak down and compression test video. AG
@leonardfoster6252
@leonardfoster6252 Жыл бұрын
That's a cheap investment for what your doing to get the power you are happy with. If I build an engine for someone I tell them approximate how much HP they can expect out of it. It all depends on what parts are put in it. There is a few variables... My BBC is a 468" engine, strictly a race car engine. 12.3 comp. Solid roller cam, SV1 carb, 1150cfm, BB-2 Brodix heads, 310 cc. Single carb one barrel. The parts are new, but they are over 30 yrs. old. Makes good HP, 800+. It makes 1.7 HP per cubic inch. It's fast for what it is. 66 Chevelle tune chassis and is light, 2,370 lbs. with driver. 5.40's et. in 1/8 th mile at over 125mph. And 8.60's et at 155mph in the 1/4 mile. I have a big engine Iam building that puts out around 1,300 HP on alcohol methenal, with 15:.1 compression with flattop Pistons. Power range on cam is 4,000-8,500 rpm.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Leonard. You are living in a different world from me, making big power. 8.60 1/4 mile ET would be a fun ride. Thanks for sharing. AG
@robertbanks6870
@robertbanks6870 10 ай бұрын
Nice what camshaft using what lobe separation and degree at top dead center i learn stay awy 106 center sound 106 lobe separation know good own street I use 112 are 110 are 108 lobe separation make bigger difference
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience Robert. AG
@jesseduke694
@jesseduke694 Жыл бұрын
I dont remember? Did u guys build the heads urself? I guess im wondering why the exhoust valves were leaking? It happens i know. But did u have a shop cut the seats or did u guys do them urself with stones?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Jesse, kind of a combination of all the above. We will do a follow up video of the tear down and inspection, with lessons learned and recommendations. AG
@Jenkkikasi
@Jenkkikasi 7 ай бұрын
Nice❤ what camshaft you are using this engine?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 7 ай бұрын
Mike, can you please put up the camshaft details for me. Thanks AG
@leonardfoster6252
@leonardfoster6252 Жыл бұрын
Allen what lobe centers did you install the cam on?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
The cam was degreed in on 104 ICL. We had come prepared to retard it but decided to focus dyno time on tuning instead. AG
@488ci
@488ci 5 ай бұрын
At what rpm did the 2bbl carb start to loose power over the 4bbl?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the question 488. I don't recall but Mike has the dyno sheets. Can you help us Mike? AG
@GRIFF351
@GRIFF351 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see the same sort of build on a 351 cleveland as a comparison to a 350 chev
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Griff. I would like to do a 351, I just need a customer for it. AG
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 Жыл бұрын
My guess on the 2 barrel was 30hp and 20tq down. Strange it lost more torque than horsepower. I've seen 550+hp 355s lose 70+hp with a 2 barrel. Should have tried a 750 doublepumper and a 750 3310 vacuum secondary carb also. Might have picked up a few numbers. 350 LT-1 came stock with a 780 vacuum secondary 4150 carb. They were rated at 360hp in the Z-28 & 370hp in the Vette. They actually made in the 350+hp range bone stock on a dyno with headers.
@jesseduke694
@jesseduke694 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about that as well. Richard Holder did some tests on some of the factory muscle engines & his tests showed some of them didn't quite live up to their claim but in those days nobody probably ever knew! A factory 327 that made 350hp is no slouch back then! They may have claimed to be 375 & not really had it but nobody would have doubted them! 350hp would have ran amazing!!
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 Жыл бұрын
@@jesseduke694 yep, 1 horse per cube is respectable. Those engines responded to modifications pretty easy tho, wasent hard to pull another 100hp out of them. NHRA legal "Stock" LT-1 350s make over 500+hp and run 10s in the 1/4. NHRA Superstock 350hp L-79 327s are well over 600hp these days. Same with the Superstock 350s. They have potential. A stock engine is really just a core. GM definitely didn't have them maxed out. But they had warranties and were expected to rack up hundreds of thousands of miles. Manufacturers would give them a soft tune for the consumers. But they all had untapped power just waiting to be released. GM probably got those 360 and 370hp ratings for the LT-1 with a sharply tuned blueprinted version of the engine on a dyno with no accessories. Pontiac often underrated their muscle car engines. A RAM AIR 4 400 makes alot more than 370hp. They smoked Hemi Cudas and LS-6 454 Chevelles back in the day.
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 Жыл бұрын
@@jesseduke694 I went to a pure stock musclecar shootout in Memphis Tennessee back in the late 80s, out of a couple hundred of the best factory musclecars ever built, a 68 Firebird with a RAM AIR 2 400 Pontiac engine beat them all. 3 yrs in a row actually. Same guy, name was Jim Mino. I think that firebird was running high 11s@120+mph on stock red line tires. There waa a 69 Super Bee with a 440 six pack also in the high 11s, it came in second place. Those cars were running under alot of rules and limitations. Engines totally stock. Tires were terrible.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks both Jesse and Reluctant for your comments and adding interest to my channel. Always appreciated. AG
@richardmesserschmidt7928
@richardmesserschmidt7928 11 ай бұрын
Good evening great job on the build I also am doing the same motor and have been trying to find your list of parts you used. I have the same pistons, hardened tappets, and would like to copy what you did mine is a Dec 1969 build 4 bolt main CRE any way, were could I find your build list I have all the parts except the cam Thank you for putting up the videos
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Richard. We will work on making a list of parts for you and put a screen shot up in a future video. AG
@mkimble21
@mkimble21 11 ай бұрын
00256 Crower camshaft
@richardmesserschmidt7928
@richardmesserschmidt7928 11 ай бұрын
Good afternoon Thank you @@mkimble21
@shernandez5429
@shernandez5429 5 ай бұрын
Can you share the part numbers for each product you bought for this build please? I'm currently in the same boat with similar budget and would like to go this route. I would really appreciate it! I saw your first episode of this series where you put the sheet but it didnt have the part numbers listed.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the question. I talked to Mike about this today as it was his engine. Mike will try to come up with some part numbers for you. Be patient and watch this post. Good luck with your build. AG
@shernandez5429
@shernandez5429 5 ай бұрын
@@goldsgarage8236 awesome! Thank you!
@babayegajaeger7082
@babayegajaeger7082 7 ай бұрын
Just made a pull (what were the numbers?)how can we tel WHAT your increases if you don't tell.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 7 ай бұрын
all the numbers are provided in detail in the video. AG
@rainman11481
@rainman11481 4 ай бұрын
30 minutes of talk to get 5 minutes of info
@johncalhoun8011
@johncalhoun8011 Жыл бұрын
That's a Great Deal! Can you build one for me?😊
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks John, sure I can but remember there was no labor content on this one. AG
@stevenbarnett2169
@stevenbarnett2169 2 ай бұрын
What is a good fuel to air ratio number?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the question Steve. Usually about 13:1 under load at RPM. We pay more attention to BSFC, Brake Specific Fuel Consumption. Pounds of fuel per HP hour. It is a measure of the efficiency of the engine. AG
@scotthatch4548
@scotthatch4548 Жыл бұрын
Nice test but a little disappointing on power .... Dyno cell did not look like it has a lot of exhaust room but a muffler might have helped and I assume the engine will be run with full exhaust system in the car..... If you do pull the heads look for fuel wash in the chamber .... With unknown port work that funny low rpm dip you got could be from fuel dropout .... With that camshaft and what you saw at peak a 1.5 rocker on the exhaust side only would probably help ..... Also flow cfm on the hat is not the same cfm as a carb measured with a pressure drop though your carb size should be ok ... Did you run a spacer? 1 inch open might help peak
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for good technical input as usual Scott. AG
@DarrellWatters
@DarrellWatters 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for your input, the dyno has dual 8” exhaust running out to an underground muffler and has train locomotive air cleaners, so there’s no restriction on the intake or exhaust. 👍🏻
@scotthatch4548
@scotthatch4548 11 ай бұрын
@@DarrellWatters you missed my point ..... I understand how it's setup ..that has nothing to do with how the engine runs because it's designed to be no restriction .... My point was that adding a muffler or even full exhaust to the engine will change how it runs and in this case you are thinking it's over scavenging ...now this can happen with a tuned open exhaust but not so much with a full exhaust system and muffler ... Because we do mostly street driven engines we tend to Dyno with a full exhaust system in place but our Dyno cell is designed with extra room so we can do that and test different exhaust systems
@DarrellWatters
@DarrellWatters 11 ай бұрын
@@scotthatch4548 oh most definitely it will affect everything if a full exhaust system is hooked up, I unfortunately don’t have the room for that, most unhook the exhaust or have dumps for racing which will take advantage of the dyno tune. Thank you for your input.
@95Sn95
@95Sn95 8 ай бұрын
There was a day not so far in the past 1 HP per CI was a respectable number... Regardless of it not hitting the goal with today's KZfaq ant boosted everything so many young folks think you need a minimum of 600hp to have a "fast" vehical but in reality with good gears, decent chassis on the lighter side like a Camaro, nova, g body s-10 and well sorted transmission setup 350hp/400ftbs will give you a pretty rowdy ride, it's plenty of power to blaze the tires off , and a lively 0 to 60. Look at how legendary the old 5.0 mustang GTs were everyone thought they were one of the hottest things on the street well they were in the low 3000lb area and had 225 net HP! Gross was 260ish I think that's almost a 100hp less than this engine. And people were dipping into the 13s with the top form of the fox mustang GTs. No your not going to hang with hellcats on the turnpike but who cares. The only thing I would have done differently with this engine is I would have gone a bit larger on the cam like something in the 230° area and .480" lift I would stick with DV's ICL rule of thumb, and I would have gone with a better intake basically a high rise dual plane, the EPS is like a factory replacement type like the standard performer. At least go the performer rpm standard or air gap doesn't matter air gap if there's a couple extra bucks available, with those there's no real loss down low and noticable gains up top on most every warmed over engine. But hey that's just me I'm not saying anything was wrong per se it's just what I would do. And with an engine like this if built right would go for years reliably you could easily daily it and get half way decent fuel economy like mid teens if tuned right. If you want a cool daily commuter that is actually pretty fast feeling this is a great engine setup.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 8 ай бұрын
Lots of good info here, thanks for taking the time to provide your input.AG
@95Sn95
@95Sn95 8 ай бұрын
@@goldsgarage8236 don't take it as I'm 2nd guessing your choices you made your choices for a reason I'm Shure your combo would be a solid very drivable combo making a lot of usable instant torque, I'm just willing to give up a small amount of practicality for a bit more plus I always try to make choices of compromise like some drivability for a roudy idle but gaining more power that's not a guarantee, howards flat tappet 112831-08 .480"/480" 231°/231° 106 centerline 108 lsa is an awesome street camshaft. I don't want to seem like a keyboard critic there's to many of those already.
@Shade_tree_garage01
@Shade_tree_garage01 Ай бұрын
9 months later you're lucky to find a shortblock for 1600
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Good point. Thanks for commenting.AG
@blown572hemi
@blown572hemi 9 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be ashamed of 400lbs of torque from a stock 350. I'd be happy as a pig in slop with the money for power results. Yes, 1000hp is nice but, how long will it live ondy street and how much does it cost. A torquestorm blower would be nice tho
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Blown572. Mike has decided to replace the heads. I have a pair of GM Performance Fast Burn heads that we will be installing. Watch for a follow up. AG
@91rss
@91rss 11 ай бұрын
relationship to air fuel and making power from perfect 14 to 1 and down vs wasting gas and stinking the parking lot up ?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment 91. AG
@brandonpriest3604
@brandonpriest3604 11 ай бұрын
A set of bone yard vortec ported heads would put it close to 400. Casting 906
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Vortec heads do work well. We have them on our 602 crate engine and they make great power. AG
@billcooper54
@billcooper54 Жыл бұрын
Nice work Darrel Watters! Next time make him sit on a chevrolet chair!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Bill, I will try to remember to bring my Chev chair for the next dyno video. AG
@DarrellWatters
@DarrellWatters 11 ай бұрын
Bill, unfortunately there are no Chevy Stools in my shop, just Dodge and Mopar stools, but nevertheless, every engine leaves my shop making the most power and torque it possibly can with the combination it came with, I sell tuning, not horsepower 😉 I don’t care how much each engine makes, as long as it makes the most it can when it leaves my shop!👍🏻
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
I will bring my chevy stool for the next dyno day!
@george1la
@george1la Ай бұрын
No new bore, no new pistons, what does anyone expect. If most of the problem is with leaky valves that is much easier than taking apart the whole motor. I have just had a nightmare with a motor that idles smooth but as soon as load backfires. I now know inside out a Quadrajet. The problem was bad wires that are not old and 8.5mm, When I put the ohm meter to them I found dead wires. It is all logic and taking analysis one thing at a time in the elimination process when you do not know what the problem really is.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience George. I was taught to check wires with an Ohm meter when I was a teenager in a Texaco Garage. 1000 OHM/ft, AG
@leonardfoster6252
@leonardfoster6252 Жыл бұрын
Dyno testing is a base to start with Allen...
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
For sure, but I believe it is the best investment you can make in any build. We are fortunate to have it available at a reasonable cost. AG
@yurimodin7333
@yurimodin7333 Жыл бұрын
1hp per cu-in on old style iron heads is still respectable.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Yurimodin. It will be even more after we fix it. AG
@garyhosier4765
@garyhosier4765 Жыл бұрын
I know it’s costs a lot money but it would be nice to see what engine does with hood leak down. Information sake.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Gary, that is up to Mike. You are correct, it is expensive. AG
@projectundrfire
@projectundrfire 22 күн бұрын
Why does the budget price change every video 😂
@racerd9669
@racerd9669 11 ай бұрын
There is more power in that engine, if you balance fuel A and fuel B. Your dyno guy should know that. Tune the carb so Fuel A and Fuel B read the same, you will be amazed at the power gains.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Racer. Agreed and we do normally pay attention to that and jet accordingly. We will highlight that in the next Dyno test. AG
@dak9600
@dak9600 Жыл бұрын
Would you consider doing a video on the small block chevy 302?
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Sure Dak, one of my first builds in 1969 was a 302 which was the original engine in my 68 Z28. The 302 is a great racing engine but needs to rev 7000RPM to make power. For street it need a light car with lots of gear. AG
@dak9600
@dak9600 11 ай бұрын
@@goldsgarage8236Thanks for the response! I have been doing some research on it and it seems like most people run solid lifters. Would you be able to run hydraulic lifters and still make 400-500 hp? I just bought a 68 camaro and I have always loved the z/28 and trans am racing, so I am considering building mine along those lines, but still a street car. I know that engine is not the best for the street and I'm okay with that.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Dak. I think if I was building a 302 for a 68 Z28 I would use the original and correct solid lifter camshaft. Summit sells knock offs for this cam. I owned my Z28 in 1969 and back then it was my daily driver. It was fun to drive and I revved it 7000RPM frequently. I drag raced it on the weekends and drove it during the week (with a 4.88:1 gear) with no issues. The piston speed of a 302 at 7000RPM is the same as a 350 at 6034RPM. You have to rev a 302 to make power and it is difficult to do that with a hydraulic cam. If you have an M21 transmission I would suggest at least 4.10:1 gear. An M20 transmission actually works better on the street. 2.52 vs 2.2 first gear ratio. My M21 is stored safely in my basement and I use an M20 in the car. problems with a solid lifter cam are over rated and your Z will be much more authentic with the solid cam. That is my input for what it is worth. Good luck on your build. AG
@dak9600
@dak9600 11 ай бұрын
Great info thank you!
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 11 ай бұрын
@@dak9600imo you would be better off picking up a 350 core and boring and stroking it with 6” rods. Still doesn’t cost a lot and will make much better power and a small block is a small block so your car still going to feel the same weight wise without giving up power and needing to rev to the moon to get best power.
@trentdawg2832
@trentdawg2832 11 ай бұрын
To bad we couldnt make those numbers with a ford 302 for $1600…….350hp 5.0 is well over $5k……im a chevy guy myself but my teenage son recently gotta ‘67 mustang 289 coupe…..i picked up a 302 roller motor out of an OJ bronco to build with him for when he is ready to move up from the tired 200hp 289……..im hoping for close to 300hp with the 302…….i tried to convince him to get a GM product cause i have tons of LS stuff on hand but he was set on a ford🤮🤮🤮
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Trent. You can make power with Ford or Mopar too but for $/HP you can't beat a SBC. That is one reason they are so popular. AG
@trentdawg2832
@trentdawg2832 11 ай бұрын
@@goldsgarage8236 facts
@scotthatch4548
@scotthatch4548 11 ай бұрын
Looking at the dyno sheet VE numbers are wrong ...did you have the wrong engine cid punched into the software? VE on that engine should be in the 80s
@DarrellWatters
@DarrellWatters 11 ай бұрын
Yes all the information was properly inputted, I did a calculated VE for that engine and it came out to 87%, but that’s what the engine can displace, due to ram effect/velocity of small ports, cam selection and exhaust way over scavenging will increase airflow speed which will affect cylinder filling of over 100% and can increase VE. The heads were ported to take advantage of the low lift flow, which the engine sees twice as opposed to max lift flow, which will increase cylinder filling, I do realize there are formulas to calculate these readings, but I’ve seen things on the dyno over the past 30 years that don’t always make sense, but as long as the engine is happy and makes good power, I don’t question it. I’ve had some great local engine builders on my dyno and they are quite happy with the data I provide and tuning as well. Thank you for your comment. Dyno tuning is quite interesting as every engine is different, even if it’s the same build as the last one.👍🏻
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your reply Darrell, I always rely on your knowledge and experience on the dyno and am never disappointed with the results. AG
@leonardfoster6252
@leonardfoster6252 Жыл бұрын
You always get more low end torque with longer collectors...
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Correct, but less HP. AG
@rogerferguson6305
@rogerferguson6305 11 ай бұрын
350hp/400tq is nothing to be ashamed of especially with iron heads.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Roger, it will be better when we fix the heads. AG
@dalesmith561
@dalesmith561 11 ай бұрын
You can get 400 plus HP from a vortec 350, with the correct cam, intake, and headers. Any day of the week. Plenty of information, and videos out there to prove it.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Dale, Vortec heads work great for sure. AG
@tomstrum6259
@tomstrum6259 Жыл бұрын
You're still making >1 Hp per cube inch so not too bad considering the modest Build Budget.....Wish youall would've Killed a good Leak-Down Cylinder & Measured Power drop & Compared to one of the Bad Leak-Down cylinder to Determine Exactly how Much the Leaking Valve cylinder is Actually Down on Hp if any Significant.....Some Leaking Valve Cylinders produce Amazing Good normal dyno Hp.....As is, the motor seems to be Producing about Average power Results for a Typical DIY garrage Build.....
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Tom. We didn't think to try that but we were curious to see how much the leak down would hurt. I did a leak down test on the worst cylinder half way through the dyno day and it was still over 35%. AG
@samuelfrodge4988
@samuelfrodge4988 9 ай бұрын
Young buck seems irritated
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Sam. AG
@ardennielsen3761
@ardennielsen3761 Жыл бұрын
i don't have a computer to do stuff but i do know what the car weighs and how long of a road it needs to get up to 65mph... 250lbft average between first and second gear 4100lb 160 meters, 350lbft split on first gear and "deceleration torque" 460lbft to stall the motor down from 5k to 2000rpm thru the converter... "things that broke" not always a dyno to know 🥸 nothing but HP calculated on total fuel flow? 360hp for a 4.6 modular ford with 365'000km on it 🤔 "😶‍🌫...😴🐑" 23 gallons an hour 😵‍💫 fuel burn in time of the 160 meters corrected for elevation... 92% efficient at sea level. computer just does the same number calculations without a pen and paper "printer" 😅 4300lb to 65mph in 100 yards (HP to other data), the OEM equipment took 370 yards to get up to 65mph and that was ratted 205hp 275lbft. (not too many took physics in school, but one said 8 times the power to go twice "half", not even close to being accurate? hmm)
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Arden, lots to digest here. Looks like you did take Physics in high school. AG
@leonardfoster6252
@leonardfoster6252 Жыл бұрын
Oh! Allen, I forgot to add that I believe I have the right combination to make my car run as good as it does, 60 ft. times are 1.20 et.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Leonard. AG
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