.357 Magnum vs .44 Magnum Lever Actions

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3 жыл бұрын

It's time for part two of our Lever Action Rifle Series! Today, we're looking at .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum when fired from lever action rifles (in this case, two identical rifles -- a pair of Henry X Models). What's the useful range of these cartridges with rifle length barrels? We tested that. What kind of performance benefit do they offer versus handguns chambered for the same calibers? We tested that, too. And some ballistic gel testing, hard barrier penetration testing, and a whole bunch of pretty charts, numbers, and spreadsheets... if you're into that kind of thing.
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@crazy4dariver
@crazy4dariver 4 ай бұрын
15 years ago I went to Alaska to see an old friend that became a guide. He told me to leave my guns at home, he would take care of me. For two weeks we hunted and fished. It was a blast. One of his "back up rifles" was was a Marlin 1894 44mag / 44spl. Wow! He past from cancer last year and I got a call from my local FFL guys. "Come get your Rifles. Trapper left you the 44, the 22 and his 308"
@Blackmist213
@Blackmist213 3 ай бұрын
Ummm do you normally bring your guns when going to visit friends out of state or am I the only one who thinks that's odd. lol
@harryniedecken5321
@harryniedecken5321 Ай бұрын
​@@Blackmist213 For visiting a friend in Alaska, especially a guide, this would be completely normal. No different than bringing along some fishing gear and a jacket.
@elliottpeabody1287
@elliottpeabody1287 28 күн бұрын
@@Blackmist213 You're the only one.
@Eggmayor
@Eggmayor 7 күн бұрын
​​@@Blackmist213its fucking Alaska, if you go there you are about to get ambushed by 150 polar bears or some shit, better have a gun 😂
@youngprofessor
@youngprofessor 3 күн бұрын
Sorry for your loss. Sounds like a great friend!
@BrockOBauma
@BrockOBauma 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how they would compare shooting through leather jacket skin, pork chop pectorals, pork ribs, a bag of oranges to simulate lung tissue, pork ribs on the back, and backed up by the new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop.
@notaturkey2607
@notaturkey2607 3 жыл бұрын
"You be the judge." ~Paul Harrell
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic 3 жыл бұрын
If only we could have someone "shoot groceries" for science!
@MrNpc81
@MrNpc81 3 жыл бұрын
You forgot the 4 layers of tshirt!
@eddavis5938
@eddavis5938 3 жыл бұрын
Bhahaha! 😂🤣😂
@uppastdawn7627
@uppastdawn7627 3 жыл бұрын
But would it be “enough difference to MAKE a difference?”
@mattbrown5511
@mattbrown5511 2 жыл бұрын
Still saving for the Henry in .357. It will compliment my 686 nicely. Well done sir.
@larrykoroush6995
@larrykoroush6995 2 ай бұрын
I love mine. It is very accurate
@user-eo7sz8kk6x
@user-eo7sz8kk6x Ай бұрын
I have the 686 6 inch 7 shot. Love it.
@lazaruslazuli6130
@lazaruslazuli6130 3 ай бұрын
I have a Rossi/Puma 20" barrel 1892 lever-action in .357. Its capacity is 10+1 with .357, and 12+1 with .38 Special. Its fun to shoot and an excellent companion to my S&W .357 revolver with a 6" barrel. I like having the same ammo for both. There is a definite recoil difference between 110-grain and 180-grain in both firearms. Thanks for the informative and concise video.
@phongdo8070
@phongdo8070 3 жыл бұрын
When the food network was actually good, there was a show called good eats by alton brown. You're the gun version of him.
@LuckyGunner
@LuckyGunner 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, Alton Brown has been an important influence.
@vitaly6312
@vitaly6312 3 жыл бұрын
@@LuckyGunner maybe more camera shots with you opening the cabinet or refrigerator (or maybe gun safe?).
@ruddyff
@ruddyff 3 жыл бұрын
Best way to describe it
@ianmcmahon8589
@ianmcmahon8589 3 жыл бұрын
The show actually did a comeback, though that may have been partially derailed by Covid. You can find the first of the new series on KZfaq.
@mattioli13
@mattioli13 3 жыл бұрын
Wow...yeah, I've never really noticed before but he does keep a similar cadence in the dialog..... Alton is one of the few TV personalities to really indulge in the science of cooking, whereas it's fairly common in the firearms world. Bonus facts..... Alton is a gun guy.... there are photos of him shooting a SCAR floating around the web, not sure if he owns it or not....
@stevenkennedy4130
@stevenkennedy4130 3 жыл бұрын
Paul Harrell would be proud.
@chriskoort5717
@chriskoort5717 3 жыл бұрын
You be the judge?
@papaswanson
@papaswanson 3 жыл бұрын
I came here looking for Paul Harrell comments. He'd be proud
@24roughing76
@24roughing76 3 жыл бұрын
Chris is what you'd call a "professional"...
@sebastianbrown4277
@sebastianbrown4277 3 жыл бұрын
@@24roughing76 I was looking for this haha
@chrisjimenez1062
@chrisjimenez1062 3 жыл бұрын
Now is that enough difference to make a difference?
@LilOutdoorsmangoogleplus
@LilOutdoorsmangoogleplus Жыл бұрын
The level of quality of this video is outstanding. Surprised to find such a thorough and well thought out ballistics video on KZfaq. This is quickly becoming my favorite firearms channel. Also, I went with the .44! Wish me luck this fall
@Salieri47
@Salieri47 Жыл бұрын
If you haven't watched already, check out Paul Harrell's channel.
@bobvedder2451
@bobvedder2451 2 жыл бұрын
One gun that is often used up here in Alaska is the 45/70 lever gun. It works well against our big critters.
@sethmullins8346
@sethmullins8346 Жыл бұрын
.45-70 is way bigger than .44 and .357. I’d trust a .357 to take a deer though
@stonegiant4
@stonegiant4 3 жыл бұрын
This guy just flexing his 10 whole boxes of ammo!
@steverussell6642
@steverussell6642 3 жыл бұрын
Show off
@Glasshopper
@Glasshopper 3 жыл бұрын
No he is showing off his ability to niggle.
@mojoman2001
@mojoman2001 3 жыл бұрын
He got a lot of mileage out of that ammo.
@jdmsir231
@jdmsir231 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@pauliexcluded1
@pauliexcluded1 Жыл бұрын
@Aniwayas Song KZfaq search "chris rock bullet control"
@raitchison
@raitchison 3 жыл бұрын
.357 lever gun is my next gun purchase. The choice of caliber is easy for me because we already have a .38 revolver in the household.
@uscgsemperparatus6472
@uscgsemperparatus6472 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent choice. Best of both worlds. Outstanding mussle velocity.
@slypperyfox
@slypperyfox 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a Henry in 357MAG to pair up with my 357 revolvers. Sweet shooter.
@slypperyfox
@slypperyfox 3 жыл бұрын
@@Robnord1 Henry's package insert recommends 38 SPCL of minimal 158gr bullet. I haven't tried 38 in my Henry yet.
@alfonsomunoz4424
@alfonsomunoz4424 3 жыл бұрын
Been wanting to get one too.
@JimmyEatDirt
@JimmyEatDirt 3 жыл бұрын
I cant recommend .357 enough. The ability to switch between .38sp and .357 at any time based on ammo availability is a huge selling point for me. I picked up a .357 all-weather and took a few rabbits at ranges I wouldn't trust a .22 to be reliable at (SOLID, NOT HOLLOW POINT). It is also the gun I taught a boy from California to shoot with, low recoil, fairly accurate. I also lent it to a friend to hunt with in Iowa and with a hollow point he did a clean heart shot at 120 yards. I love my henry, and it takes the number one spot on my list of preparedness guns for the likely future where "assault weapons" are banned again.
@donb3525
@donb3525 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent testing technique. But having owned both a .357 and .44 mag rifle, I have gone to my absolute favorite handgun cartridge, the .41 mag thanks to Henry bringing out a decent rifle.
@rodglen7071
@rodglen7071 Жыл бұрын
How's the availability and price of .41 compared to the other two? (I understand this is a year later)
@nicholaspetre1
@nicholaspetre1 Жыл бұрын
@@rodglen7071 oh that is a very good question!!!
@dalekessler5003
@dalekessler5003 3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison!! I’m a huge fan of Henry .357 levers, all around practical
@dirtfarmer7472
@dirtfarmer7472 Жыл бұрын
I have a Marlin 1895 .38/.357 Magnum. Same difference
@ElainesDomain
@ElainesDomain Жыл бұрын
@@dirtfarmer7472 You likely have a smoother action. Nice rifle.
@dirtfarmer7472
@dirtfarmer7472 Жыл бұрын
@@ElainesDomain I’ve had a little bit of work done to it & it works nicely.
@dave-d-grunt
@dave-d-grunt Жыл бұрын
@@dirtfarmer7472better rifle
@leveticus5721
@leveticus5721 3 жыл бұрын
.357 gun: It’s not the size of the bullet, it’s how accurate you shoot it. .44 gun: BIG BULLET ENERGY!!!!
@Joshua_N-A
@Joshua_N-A 3 жыл бұрын
So what's .454 Casull gonna be?
@mattrickard3716
@mattrickard3716 3 жыл бұрын
@@Joshua_N-A Whatever it is, it's probably going to be a Mandingo quote.
@joehatton729
@joehatton729 3 жыл бұрын
"Of course ammo availability is extremely limited right now and that is as true for me as for anyone else." - Presenter and Content Editor of a company that sells ammo in 2020
@farstrider79
@farstrider79 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he's got all the 9mm he wants to shoot, they seem to always have something in stock. But some ammo just doesn't exist right now for anyone.
@judgestacker9472
@judgestacker9472 3 жыл бұрын
Production is the problem right now so as an ammo reseller, they have to resell all they get in or there is no profits.
@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg
@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg 3 жыл бұрын
Do you reckon that corona played any part in this recent ammo issue?
@chrisc2920
@chrisc2920 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg it caused the issue
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg try riots and folk scared the crap out of them.💩
@ctubridy
@ctubridy Жыл бұрын
I do business data analysis and visualization for a living, and even though that’s not your main forte - the cleanliness and presentation of your charts is phenomenal. Bonus points for usage of color, highlighting key data points, and labeling.
@HonestOutlawReviews
@HonestOutlawReviews 3 жыл бұрын
great video man!
@ChrisB-zz8dh
@ChrisB-zz8dh 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos aren't so bad either!
@borkwoof696
@borkwoof696 3 жыл бұрын
@Korbyn Raiden tf is wrong with you
@stevenkennedy4130
@stevenkennedy4130 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisB-zz8dh Agreed!
@Cyotis
@Cyotis 3 жыл бұрын
Talking about ammo price, 44 Special and Magnum are very close in price and 44 Special is tough to find. 38 Special is way cheaper than Magnum and is very common. So in terms of ammo price and the ability to shoot often, 357 wins that game.
@ChristofHarper
@ChristofHarper 3 жыл бұрын
my experience in general (non panic) is that .357 is only a few cents more than .38 ...not enough to worry about as the difference between retailers or shipping charges is more than the CPR difference. .44 special, you are correct, though. both calibers really shine if you reload or handload. In "common market" times, you are better off with a 9mm revolver than a .38 special revolver! (I'm going to miss the days of 9mm at 13 cents each) But I can (noting that I stocked up on primers) relaod .32 magnum for less than the cost of CCI .22LR, and can usually reload .38 special for about the cost of CCI .22LR, but .44 is pushing that "9mm ammo" cost.
@roentgen571
@roentgen571 3 жыл бұрын
And .38 Special is no joke, especially out these rifle-length barrels. Not like .357, but not weak sauce, either.
@cristianespinal9917
@cristianespinal9917 3 жыл бұрын
The .44 is definitely a reloader's game. It's not versatile at all if you rely on the factory because most factory magnum is balls-to-the-wall, and most factory special is underpowered trash for the same price or more than the magnums. I've bought 4 boxes of ammo just to get a feel for it based on factory loads. Everything else has been handloaded with the cheapest being about 24¢/round and the most expensive being about 54¢/round. And that's for full-on magnum loads. If I loaded light .44 special loads, I could get it down to about 20¢. People who cast their own bullets can do even better than that.
@jeffumbach
@jeffumbach 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, .44 special is so rare that I have to load my own. Starline sells the brass and I load with Berry's 220gr bullets. As far as as factory loads most .357 and .44 magnum factory loads I've tried are equivalent to my lighter hand loads that I'll happily shoot through my revolvers but when I assemble some full power loads I only put them in a rifle as the recoil in a pistol goes quite a bit past feeling "fun" and into "my wrist!"
@RustyOpel
@RustyOpel 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I click on LGs website and select 38 Spl. it says "nope".
@azvoltmanphoenix446
@azvoltmanphoenix446 3 жыл бұрын
Damn Chris.... you raised the bar for testing. All my questions answered. Incredible amount of work went into this vid. Thank you so much .......
@drenk7
@drenk7 2 жыл бұрын
A very well done and objective analysis. I am just partial to the .44 magnum. I like the energy of the cartridge. I also started reloading due to the cost. Now I reload 3 pistol calibers and 3 rifle calibers. I have two Ruger revolvers and a Browning lever action rifle in 44 magnum. I max out the rifle loads because I can tolerate the recoil. The same load in my 4” Ruger is tough. I would only soot six . But as a reloader I can adjust my pistol loads to what allows me to shoot more. I truly enjoy your work. Thank You.
@sethmullins8346
@sethmullins8346 Жыл бұрын
The main reason I am buying a .357 over a .44 or .45 lever action is because I EDC a .357 and I would like to have the ability to share ammo. Mostly for fantasy prepped kinds of reasons, it probably will never matter but it’s cool to think.
@CorePathway
@CorePathway Жыл бұрын
You could see that gel block jumping with the .44
@fredtaylor9792
@fredtaylor9792 Жыл бұрын
​@Seth Mullins That's exactly why I'm going with the 44mag. My dad left me his colt 44mag with thousands of rounds of reloads and I want to share ammo and not run that much throb the handgun. I also have a .357 but not that much ammo. Just goes to show both rounds are great rounds. If given the choice to be shot by either, I'm pretty sure both you and I wouldn't have a preference. Lol
@stvargas69
@stvargas69 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comparison video. As the drag race guys say, theres no replacement for displacement. Bigger the better.
@bernardknolle4792
@bernardknolle4792 3 жыл бұрын
I just want to say that it is so cool to have a gun channel with a intelligent host that understands science and speaks carefully and accurate. Thank you so much!!
@LeftThumbBreak
@LeftThumbBreak 3 жыл бұрын
I love the 44 mag, but 38 special is far cheaper and more available that 44 special. If it's a big game gun, for sure 44 but otherwise, you'll probably shoot the gun a lot more if you buy the 357. Best answer is to have both.
@sleeper.simulant7327
@sleeper.simulant7327 2 жыл бұрын
.357 mag would be perfect for deer at short to short/mid range, at or below 150 yards. Great brush carbine
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack Жыл бұрын
...my best answer is 45 Colt.....
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 3 жыл бұрын
solid data
@Ace-dn3id
@Ace-dn3id 3 жыл бұрын
As is his beard
@starshiplazyboy475
@starshiplazyboy475 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ace-dn3id It is impressive.
@f.b.i5639
@f.b.i5639 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ace-dn3id that was the first thing i noticed. Damn thick beard he got there 😂😂
3 жыл бұрын
*MOM SHOOTING 357 MAGNUM* kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNCcnal-ta2mmas.html
@michaelnorman9962
@michaelnorman9962 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely! Outstanding video.
@tangero3462
@tangero3462 3 жыл бұрын
Solid stuff, and I'm excited to see the rest of the series. I think the 357 wins out for me just for the commonality of ammo with my revolvers. This isn't an end-of-days sort of choice, just a consideration with ordering cases of ammo, and it's just cheaper to boot.
@manuelruvalcaba5309
@manuelruvalcaba5309 Жыл бұрын
Tangero, I believe your right. Ammo is expensive but .357 is readily available. If I can't feed my family with .357 when I have to then any heavier loads are out of the question.
@leemitchum7498
@leemitchum7498 3 жыл бұрын
You are extremely thorough. Next level data compared to anyone on KZfaq that I have seen. Great job thank you
@Michael.R.Harding.Realtor
@Michael.R.Harding.Realtor 3 жыл бұрын
For me, in my current situation, I'll go with the .357. That's only because that's what I have at the moment. I do plan on purchasing a 44 magnum, just not right now.
@uscgsemperparatus6472
@uscgsemperparatus6472 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. Great round. Highly effective 👍
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic 3 жыл бұрын
My first deer harvest was with a scoped 6" revolver at 49 yards (laser range finder confirmed distance), and this last winter my R92 lever action in 357 mag took my second deer. This year I will hunt with my 44mag Virginian Dragoon and hope to fill the freezer again! (Ohio)
@GunFunZS
@GunFunZS 3 жыл бұрын
Any auto calibers? There's no substitute for instant follow ups?
@Michael.R.Harding.Realtor
@Michael.R.Harding.Realtor 3 жыл бұрын
@@GunFunZS Yes, I have 9mm. I was commenting on the two magnum rounds.
@GunFunZS
@GunFunZS 3 жыл бұрын
@@Michael.R.Harding.Realtor just curious. If it's for fun rather than practical, which is your situation, there's no downside to getting what ever makes you smile. Casting and reloading really make auto pistol and revolver calibers fun too! You get to shoot so much more, and exactly what you like.
@danielandjenny9
@danielandjenny9 2 күн бұрын
Absolutely love how much effort is put into these videos for our viewing pleasure…. Love from sunny England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@000one
@000one 8 күн бұрын
Wow, Just wow. The best comprensive test of these two calibers in a Lever action.I think I’m going with the 30-30, and roll my own. Thank you.
@saoirse5308
@saoirse5308 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this series. We are getting older and a medication my wife has to take makes her left hand shake. She has always been a vary good shot rifle or pistol. Testing we found the shake does affect her pistol shooting (Now she only shoots a tiny bit better than me instead of a lot) but not Rifle. I have been thinking about changing up her home defense Ruger SP 101 .357 for a .357 lever gun for that reason. . . . Your timing is perfect 👍
@saoirse5308
@saoirse5308 3 жыл бұрын
@@otdj3794 Thanks, it's really about her mind set. She used to put all 5 into an orange at 20 feet with that 2 1/4" barrel, now she puts them in a cantaloupe. . . . still better then I ever was, but she has lost confidence. Her Rifle shooting is still spot on, pulling back on the foregrip seems to negate the shake. She has an AR but it's not her thing. I'm also building a .300 Blackout AR pistol to see if that might work for her.
@saoirse5308
@saoirse5308 3 жыл бұрын
@Random Pickle Dude, like my wife would spend her own money on a gun 🙄 You're not married are you (Rhetorical) I hike 10 x as much as my wife, yet she owns like 20 pairs of boots and I own 3. Get married you'll understand. . . Lastly she is a better pistol shot, a natural, just a joy to watch her shoot. . . . doesn't mean she knows a 300 BLK from a 300 Weatherby Mag. or cares it just means she shoots well. Really my dude. . . . derrrrr
@jazzman5598
@jazzman5598 3 жыл бұрын
Saoirse So true.....smh
@herbderbler1585
@herbderbler1585 3 жыл бұрын
Good choice. You'll never regret getting a .357 lever gun. Aside from being a good home defense tool, they're just a blast to shoot and it sounds like your wife would be a surgeon with it.
@Jimarceo
@Jimarceo 3 жыл бұрын
@@saoirse5308 dude you’re awesome 😎
@chlebowg
@chlebowg 3 жыл бұрын
I've got the middle magnum. Using a Marlin 1894S in .41 mag since 89' and love it.
@billmccullough777
@billmccullough777 Ай бұрын
Love the 41 mag, but $$$!
@DrawntoAdventure
@DrawntoAdventure 2 жыл бұрын
Kudos! This video manages to be both (highly) entertaining and informative. I particularly liked the charts showing at what range the rifle performance matched the pistol’s muzzle energy. Then you mentioned the fact that one could economize by shooting .38 Special in the .357 or .44 Special in the .44 Magnum and that made me think a “Part 2” video - showing a performance comparison (energy and expansion) of the .38 Special and .44 Special from the rifles to the magnums from the pistols - might be an equally interesting follow-on.
@huntervkiller
@huntervkiller 3 жыл бұрын
The quality of these videos is astounding. Thanks for all your hard work!
@jeramyw
@jeramyw 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many ancient caliber lever actions are being put back to use during these times. 25-20, 32-20, 38-40, and 44-40 will kill ya no matter the decade or century.
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 3 жыл бұрын
*group of informed citizens riot at a guys house* *guy pulls out his ol 1873 in .38-40* "Alright, good news people I only have three rounds for this thing. Bad news for three of you though"
@jeramyw
@jeramyw 3 жыл бұрын
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz "1892 with 2 rounds... for now"
@keithgraham9547
@keithgraham9547 3 жыл бұрын
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Get the bad guys to line up, bad news for maybe nine of them.
@jeramyw
@jeramyw 3 жыл бұрын
@@keithgraham9547 Yeah the factory ammo doesn't wanna expand sometimes.
@ChristofHarper
@ChristofHarper 3 жыл бұрын
or more to the point- 32 savage, 35 savage, and other "30-30" type calibers.
@donwallace7354
@donwallace7354 3 жыл бұрын
"Be sure to drink your ovaltine" - Fantastic lever gun reference, especially coming into holiday movie season! FWIW, I've split the difference, and bought my Henry Big Boy Steel in .41 magnum, and have the .41 revolver to go with it. Never got into the .44.
@alphagt62
@alphagt62 3 жыл бұрын
I friend of mine has several 41 Mags, and he also just got the Henry Big Boy in 41. We shot it yesterday with some home loads he made, a beautiful and slick operating rifle! I know in pistols, I prefer a 41 over a 44 any day, much more manageable.
@danielmiller2886
@danielmiller2886 3 жыл бұрын
"A crummy commercial?!" LOL
@shobudski6776
@shobudski6776 3 жыл бұрын
I never liked .44 actually .43 magnums either. Love my .41 mags
@markholloway8190
@markholloway8190 3 жыл бұрын
@@alphagt62 i hand load .41 and make a .41 special load for my wife and kids, i use 44 special data
@alphagt62
@alphagt62 3 жыл бұрын
Mark Holloway that’s good to know, there’s not much data for 41. My buddy likes to load them mild, we like hitting the gongs, and not stinging our hands.
@altrujillo3566
@altrujillo3566 Жыл бұрын
A very thorough and objective review - probably the best cartridge / firearm review I've ever seen. I like how you transitioned from the firing range to the room in your home to go over your findings. This made it all clear without outside distractions (ie. others shooting on the range). I'm subscribing to your channel.
@Mpeterson1286
@Mpeterson1286 8 ай бұрын
It's nice to see the handgun and rifle gel shots next to each other. Gives an idea of 100yd-ish hunting distance performance from the rifle.
@thinktwicespeakonce482
@thinktwicespeakonce482 3 жыл бұрын
I have been asking myself this question for a year now. Thanks for covering this.
@JakeJarmel
@JakeJarmel 3 жыл бұрын
20:23 "Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round. The jar is round. They should call it Roundtine. That's gold Jerry! Gold!" - Kenny Bania
@FlyForPike
@FlyForPike 3 жыл бұрын
I give this installment two thumbs up. Informative and entertaining per usual, nice job Chris!
@-kentonwilson
@-kentonwilson 3 жыл бұрын
Really well done. Thoughtful, thorough, succinct. Thank you for the best discussion of these two calibers in both rifle and handgun… bravo, sir!
@oaksparoakspar3144
@oaksparoakspar3144 3 жыл бұрын
Great information, but a flawed premise. No one wants to know whether to get the .357 or the .44 lever. They want to know which one to get first if they can't afford them both at the same time.
@16ft2in
@16ft2in 3 жыл бұрын
Well actually... Which can we find a matching revolver and bulk ammo/ reloading components quantity for.
@borkwoof696
@borkwoof696 3 жыл бұрын
A. No, pretty sure that doesn’t apply to everybody B. That question is also answered in the video
@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill
@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill 3 жыл бұрын
If you reload, or cast bullets, the 357/38 will be cheapest and get the most out of your lead.
@paulwhite9242
@paulwhite9242 3 жыл бұрын
Actually I kinda want to get 2 more 357 lever guns--one for each of my kids. Just...money....because I have kids....
@chuckaddison5134
@chuckaddison5134 3 жыл бұрын
Also 45 long colt/454 Casull/460 S&W (Don't think that one exists yet).
@ScandiacusPrime
@ScandiacusPrime 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. I hunt deer in Michigan with a Marlin 1894C in 357 and have been pleased with the performance (158gr XTP/FP handloaded to 1750 FPS MV). I haven't hunted with a 44 to compare, but it's been my observation that deer hit with the 357 react similarly and run a similar distance to deer hit in the same place with a hard cast, non-expanding 12 gauge slug (which I used to hunt with). I'm NOT AT ALL suggesting that a 357 has anywhere close to the terminal performance potential of a 12 gauge, particularly the more common hollow point slugs, but that's been my observation comparing those two particular loads in their effect on actual deer.
@David-rx2to
@David-rx2to 3 жыл бұрын
I plan to do a lot of extended camping in bear country. I have a 357 handgun for the backpack when I'm hiking from my base camp but I want to get a self defense gun for in camp. I'm thinking of the Henry 357 X so I only need to get one kind of ammo, but I'm also leaning towards a shotgun. What hits with more energy, a shotgun with 00 buck or slugs, or a 357 out of the Henry? Which is a better bear defense tool? I'm not a hunter, I'm just worried about bears!
@rickymcdaniel7971
@rickymcdaniel7971 Жыл бұрын
@@David-rx2to I absolutely LOVE my Marlin 1894c .357 mag. and wouldn't hesitate to use it for defense against black bears. That being said, from a practical standpoint, I'm sure that a properly loaded 12 gauge is more likely to stop the threat more efficiently.
@R_K_S2401
@R_K_S2401 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the testing, especially the velocities and gel tests with these lever gats.
@davidknoke6554
@davidknoke6554 3 жыл бұрын
Most thorough comparison I've seen of these two rounds. Well done.
@balazsbuza5610
@balazsbuza5610 3 жыл бұрын
Man, the amount of effort you've clearly put in this single video, and the quality you made it to is just beautiful. Respect!
@doebuck9708
@doebuck9708 2 жыл бұрын
The amount of time put into making this vid is GREATLY appreciated.
@82lowe36id
@82lowe36id 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video as always, Chris. A lot of information, but presented very clearly and organized. Those 44mag rifle shots in the gel made that front block jump a lot!
@redesert_boy8202
@redesert_boy8202 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Baker, very well done video with relevant detail in understanding the ballistics as well as making sure the ammunition is chosen based on the intended use. I appreciate all the stats and the frank discussion about your perspective on the two calibers on almost identical platforms. Thanks and be safe and healthy.
@mike.thomas
@mike.thomas 3 жыл бұрын
Great analysis with hard numbers and lots of interesting comparisons. Very timely since I’ve been toying with getting a Henry at some point, and have puzzled between .357/.44. Mine will strictly be a plinker, so after watching this I feel good about my prior lean toward .357.
@wjbh7442
@wjbh7442 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome review. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Just a great mix of scientific information wrapped in an entertaining presentation. Keep it up!
@Goolio2020
@Goolio2020 3 жыл бұрын
Incredibly thorough and well presented. A+!! Thank you!
@pierrepretorius8023
@pierrepretorius8023 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison! First video I can find that did such a thorough test in measuring the velocity and penetrating energy. Thanks for this video
@atomicant4304
@atomicant4304 3 жыл бұрын
Yes we need this now more than ever hahaha
@tldnr
@tldnr 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the hard work and the tremendous effort you put into your videos. This is not only very fun to watch, but it’s great info that will help me make a purchase in the future.
@BulkMasterFlex
@BulkMasterFlex 3 жыл бұрын
This is the quality testing I subscribed for. Well done!
@stevenstoll2016
@stevenstoll2016 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love how things are explained technically with full data to support. Great job.
@IdeaCalledFreedom
@IdeaCalledFreedom 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, this was A LOT of work! Holy cow, thanks for doing all that! Great video
@InGratitudeIam
@InGratitudeIam 3 жыл бұрын
And then there's "God's Cartridge." THE .45 Colt. :))) It gets a tremendous amount of work done at lower pressures. Read John Taffin's writings on this. I really like the .357 for limited/short range use. I agree, for longer tasks, a real rifle round is called for. Thanks for taking the time, Chris.
@paulseebach5978
@paulseebach5978 3 жыл бұрын
I love my .45 Colt lever and SA revolver. All though, I love all my things that go bang. But I do need a .357 to go with my GP100.
@gui-texzan7477
@gui-texzan7477 3 жыл бұрын
I dunno, a lead casted 240gr .45 LC can be hopped-up enough to kill a T-Rex on PCP. ✌️
@ANSELAbitsxb
@ANSELAbitsxb 3 жыл бұрын
Americans working temporarily with the French Intelligence Service (DGSE, the Directorate-General for External Security - Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure) on several cases linked to US interests, it was noted that the 9mm HPs used by the French took between 9 and 14 hits to bring down armed combatants with no body armor and 72% of the time, the combatants who were shot multiple times with 9mm didn't perish. When US personnel fired their sidearms (restricted by the French to revolvers), in this case, the .357 Magnum S&W Revolver with 125 gn. JHP or 158 gn. Hardcast, only one to (rarely) three rounds per enemy combatant was sufficient with a 69% fatality rate. For a comparison, look at the US-based police shootings available for public review to see a direct correlation of this data and comments like the one from Name, below. 9mm, for all its ratings and hype (a great deal of which is financially motivated), is not at all as reliable at stopping combatants as the .357 Magnum. Anyone with more experience than just a few gunfights knows two things: Revolvers are far more reliable than even the very best semi-auto, and that 9mm is not as effective as .357 Magnum. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/27/upshot/deadly-bullets-guns.html Based on the stats 45 is overrated
@eddieb1766
@eddieb1766 2 жыл бұрын
Many folks don't appreciate 45 Colt because they don't own one. Once you do, you'll get it.
@breckfreeride
@breckfreeride 2 жыл бұрын
JMB... Gotta have a .4+ or it ain't worth a damn
@curtb.
@curtb. 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris! As always a great scientific process and comparisons, I love the charts. I've actually thought about this question that you have compared and contrasted here for a while since I'm thinking about buying one or the other. Thanks again keep up the good work, happy new year!
@hutehund9519
@hutehund9519 3 жыл бұрын
Complete, concise, and valuable information. Another great video!
@rroe86
@rroe86 3 жыл бұрын
Probably the best video you've made. This is the kind of content we need more of.
@anthonys239
@anthonys239 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been hunting deer with a 44 for the last 14 years. Haven’t had a deer go more than 20 yards yet! Love me some lever guns🤠
@johnpravato2739
@johnpravato2739 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't go 20
@anthonys239
@anthonys239 3 жыл бұрын
@john pravato. Lmao!! #didntgo20
@BatColonyEvictor
@BatColonyEvictor 4 ай бұрын
Fabulous information Chris! Just what the doctor ordered today. Greatly appreciated
@llorentejonathan
@llorentejonathan 24 күн бұрын
Love your analysis! Good work mate!
@DJ-tn9zk
@DJ-tn9zk 3 жыл бұрын
Guy speaks alot of knowledge and between him and a few others you can make knowledgeable decisions, appreciate the time and effort
@calebwhite1999
@calebwhite1999 3 жыл бұрын
Loving this series. I am really looking forward to the .30-30 episode.
@John-ty8pq
@John-ty8pq 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Thank you for the information and comparisons.
@ralphbernieri3362
@ralphbernieri3362 Жыл бұрын
Dude, this was a COMPLETE and INFORMATIVE test! Nice Job👍
@zackschmidt4381
@zackschmidt4381 3 жыл бұрын
357 for me cause I also have a S&W 686, and 38 specials are great for the ladies an kids to shoot
@brianlangum6253
@brianlangum6253 3 жыл бұрын
YUP! I've got the 686-6+ and the Henrey Carbine. Bought my wife a S&W 637, she's deadly accurate with it.
@andrewgates8158
@andrewgates8158 2 жыл бұрын
686 or 686+?
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. In our fam, deer have been harvested by a 44 magnum most every year since the 90s. This is the first year in over a decade that we didn't use a 44 magnum to harvest a deer. We are bug proponents of the 44 magnum in a rifle as well as revolver. Thanks for the outstanding content & consideration. Appreciate the quality, character & attitude of presentation.
@carlkluz4777
@carlkluz4777 3 жыл бұрын
Another well thought out and executed video, Chris. We enjoy your work a great deal.
@matthewfazi8429
@matthewfazi8429 3 жыл бұрын
Great info. Excellent presentation! Really strong work. Thank you for doing this video!
@carlreeves6108
@carlreeves6108 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve taken deer and hogs with both calibers from rifles, the 44mag drops the animals or very short trail the 357 does the trick but it’s about like using a bow or pistol shot placement, ( as always with any weapon) is crucial. If your hunting or even if your using them for home defense the 44mag is far superior much more like a rifle caliber when it comes to terminal damage and ability to kill.
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic 3 жыл бұрын
I took my first deer at 49 yards, laser range finder confirmed, with a 2x scoped 6" 357. This past winter, I got a deer at 37 yards with my 357 lever action. Honestly the revolver deer ran a shorter distance before bedding down, but the takeaway: 357 has sufficient range and energy to do the job. 👍
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic 3 жыл бұрын
@Bo Zo Thanks, random person. My position is "357 mag is a capable round", I stated my experience, the range, and the fact that I got full freezers. I therefor proved my statement to be true. Not sure what the point of your comment was...
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic 3 жыл бұрын
@Bo Zo...good for you? I guess that just proves that the bow is capable too. Honestly, I think you are trying to get a rise out of me, but you're really just helping support my statement. So keep it up!
@aeis3007
@aeis3007 3 жыл бұрын
@Bo Zo So your point is that any hunting gun that is good for bow range is bad and they shouldn't use it? If that is the logic I can kill at 10 yards with a tomahawk does that mean bows are bad at that range?
@borkwoof696
@borkwoof696 3 жыл бұрын
@J Freddy it‘s always better to go with a larger caliber for hunting and a heavy for caliber bullet for hunting." No, it‘s not
@Oshidwhaddup
@Oshidwhaddup 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited for this series. I've always loved the way you do your series especially the pocket gun so I'm excited to see that this one is going to be great!
@randy9988
@randy9988 4 ай бұрын
Greatly appreciate your thorough and knowledgeable reviews here Chris. I’ve been pondering which, if either, of my 357 and 44 lever actions to keep or part with, and your review was just spot on with objective information to consider. With long owned firearms, especially pistol caliber carbines, sentimentality often obscures my decision making. As well as compatibility and shootability with four inch revolvers in both calibers. After forty years of shooting service caliber handguns and shotguns, my right hand and wrist / forearm are growing increasingly sensitive to heavy recoil. As always, I appreciate your thoughtful analysis.
@tombraley3212
@tombraley3212 Ай бұрын
Excellent and thorough presentation. Bravo!
@forgalzz7
@forgalzz7 3 жыл бұрын
10:00 Wow, you know it's bad times when a ammo shop has to save four bullets ...
@JD-gn6du
@JD-gn6du 2 жыл бұрын
.357mag and .44mag in a carbine/rifle are so under appreciated as brush guns, not to mention the velocity gain in the two rounds. Personally I like a 158gr jsp out of a rifle in .357
@chriskristopherson6299
@chriskristopherson6299 Жыл бұрын
I’m blown away by your work!! Great job!!! Thank you
@jouberttrovati
@jouberttrovati 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice comparison Chris! Thanks for sharing.
@yourdead408
@yourdead408 3 жыл бұрын
"Which Caliber is better?" *Expects anecdotes and speculation* *Gets a literal play-by-play of Caliber Scrutiny*
@mikehughesoutdoors2774
@mikehughesoutdoors2774 2 жыл бұрын
I opted for between the two of them. Reasoning is along story but I fell in love with the.41 mag. It’s a sweet cartridge.
@christopherpollard7244
@christopherpollard7244 Жыл бұрын
Been subscribed for a while, but been on a kick lately. Thanks for the awesome videos. Really like the way you format/deliver information in a way that is relevant and entertaining!
@jimmymassie8420
@jimmymassie8420 3 жыл бұрын
Chris....Love all your videos man. Best on KZfaq!! Keep up the great work LuckyGunner
@chuckschillingvideos
@chuckschillingvideos 3 жыл бұрын
If I had to choose between a .357 vs a .44 magnum in a lever action, I'd go with the .30-30.
@Cambone13
@Cambone13 Жыл бұрын
Ya, but you can't shoot 30-30 out of your matching revolver
@chuckschillingvideos
@chuckschillingvideos Жыл бұрын
@@Cambone13 True enough, but if I have a lever gun I haven't much need for the revolver do I?
@Jarred8281
@Jarred8281 Жыл бұрын
This made me laugh so hard! Thanks man
@DickBumgus
@DickBumgus Жыл бұрын
@@Cambone13 Magnum Research actually makes a “handgun”, it’s massive, chambered in 30-30, as well as an abundance of atypical rifle cartridges and cowboy loads, called the BFR
@hardlylivin6602
@hardlylivin6602 Жыл бұрын
Well if that's the case I'm just going to say "screw it" and go with an ar15 with multiple uppers.
@happyhaunter_5546
@happyhaunter_5546 3 жыл бұрын
Really love the charts in this.
@patmaguire3959
@patmaguire3959 3 жыл бұрын
The way the velocities of both cartridges fell off beyond 100 yards reminded me of why WW2 Germany developed the Assault rifle after their submachineguns proved inadequate at longer ranges in Crete. A second thing this video brought to mind was that 44 magnum was the only pistol caliber to smash a V-8 engine block at the Detroit police demo range.
@johnreynolds6499
@johnreynolds6499 28 күн бұрын
Hey, thanks for doing this and sharing. Very nice!
@theaveragewoodsman6002
@theaveragewoodsman6002 3 жыл бұрын
Such an awesome series!
@glockparaastra
@glockparaastra 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for the research. I love 357Mag. Great in a handgun, even better in a lever action. Very accurate too.
@robfisher3790
@robfisher3790 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Great job sir. Incredibly informative. Thank you.
@happyhankjr
@happyhankjr 2 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT. Very useful data on a good variety of ammo.
@garyh1449
@garyh1449 2 жыл бұрын
My preference is to shoot about 2" high at 100 yards instead of dead on, that way I get a little more distance and still be in the kill zone when hunting.
@blackbirdpie217
@blackbirdpie217 3 жыл бұрын
Drop is directly associated with speed; Drop occurs independent of forward velocity, if you drop a bullet right off the table it will hit the ground at the same time as one moving 2,000 fps downrange. So a heavy bullet drops faster only because it is going slower taking more time to get to the target, it has had more time to fall. Convergence is related to trajectory.
@craigfisher2367
@craigfisher2367 2 жыл бұрын
You just made me understand what my physics teacher couldn’t
@johnbesharian9965
@johnbesharian9965 2 жыл бұрын
@@craigfisher2367, LOL! I suffer from what I call, "Math-O-Phobia" which I define as "The fear of all sums".
@bermchasin
@bermchasin 2 жыл бұрын
this is not actually true with ballistics. Bullet drop is directly related to speed, BUT speed is related to drag, which is related to the BC, and its inertia. A heavier bullet with a smaller ballistic coefficient will drop less than a light bullet with poor aerodymanics.
@russellkeeling9712
@russellkeeling9712 2 жыл бұрын
When you start getting into this there are a lot of things to consider. You are correct in what you say but physics also points out that the faster a projectile leaves the muzzle the faster it slows down. The mass of the bullet must be considered because it retains energy retaining velocity longer. Cross section of the bullet is a factor because the air exerts 80 times more force on the bullet than gravity does. This is why magnum rifles are so good for long range. A high velocity, heavy mass, means lots of energy at a long range.
@FurkanCemTurfanda
@FurkanCemTurfanda 2 жыл бұрын
@@craigfisher2367 He is completely wrong though.
@manningjackson2723
@manningjackson2723 3 жыл бұрын
Great video mate, well done. The last 2 minutes were the most informative to me. Keep up the great work 👍
@woli6872
@woli6872 3 жыл бұрын
What a great video! The way how testing and comparing should be. Fair and honest with the conclusions. Well done.
@d33b33
@d33b33 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool to see what we suspected confirmed in measurements. I wish the .357 Maximum was a succes, but I never found a rifle chambered for it, nor the brass. Excellent video.
@QuietMikeW
@QuietMikeW 3 жыл бұрын
Great report, I can’t believe that 50% velocity increase!
@michaelnorman9962
@michaelnorman9962 3 жыл бұрын
I want one of each of those Henrys! Thanks very much for this great instructive video and for all you do overall.
@johnsmith-gk4td
@johnsmith-gk4td 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome and thorough video. Thank you for making it!
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