🏆3D Printer Tier List🏆 (Does your printer suck?) 🥇🥈🥉🪦

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S Tier Printers:
Bambu Lab P1S: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=228215...
Creality Ender 3 V3 SE: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=201599...
Elegoo Neptune 4: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=235104...
VZBot: github.com/VzBoT3D/VzBoT-Vz330
Annex Engineering K3: github.com/Annex-Engineering/...
PRUSA Mini: www.prusa3d.com/#a_aid=NBR
Rook Kit: ???
Voron V0: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=235544...
Voron Trident: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=235544...
A Tier Printers:
Bambu Lab AMS: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=228215...
Ender 2 Pro: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=201599...
amzn.to/3s3T6jQ
Creality K1: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=201599...
amzn.to/47iNx1q
Anycubic Kobra 2:
amzn.to/44UaoOV
Elegoo Neptune 3 Max: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=224724...
Artillery Sidewinder X2: amzn.to/3qkUzBX
Qidi X-Max-3: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=212827...
amzn.to/43Rwctm
Sovol SV-07: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=214598...
amzn.to/43Rwctm
Flying Bear Ghost 6: ???
Voron 2.4: ???
Rat-Rig V-Minion: ???
B Tier Printers:
Bambu Lab P1P: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=228215...
Creality K1 Max: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=237420...
amzn.to/3YgxOvH
Elegoo Neptune 3 Plus: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=224724...
Annex Engineering K1: github.com/Annex-Engineering/...
AnkerMake M5: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=218210...
amzn.to/3DJDBQP
AnkerMake M5C: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=218210...
amzn.to/45guoLv
BTT Pad 7: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=239009...
WUXN WXR: wuxn3d.com/
QidiTech X-Plus-3: amzn.to/45bjZke
RatRig V-Core: ratrig.com
Seckit-Tank: seckit3dp.design/
Snapmaker J1: amzn.to/43VZYNM
Sovol SV-04: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=214598...
amzn.to/45kUgpL
Sovol SV-06 Plus: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=214598...
amzn.to/43Rwctm
Sovol SV-06: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=214598...
amzn.to/3OJ6v9V
Tronxy Crux: amzn.to/3Om3xH3
Tronxy XA-500: ???
GEETECH A30: ???
Kingroon KLP1: ???
PRUSA I3MK4: www.prusa3d.com/#a_aid=NBR
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Note: This video is not sponsored, but I have received sponsorships from nearly every company on this list in the form of free printers, sponsorship payments, and affiliate income. The opinions and ratings expressed in this video are based on my experiences and knowledge of these products.
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0:00 Intro
0:51 All Printers
1:38 Bambu Lab
2:32 Creality
9:14 Anycubic Kobra and Elegoo Neptune
14:59 Annex Engineering
15:56 AnkerMake
17:00 Artillery
17:48 BTT, Cetus, Dremel
18:56 Flying Bear
20:24 Flash Forge and Formlabs
21:58 FLSUN
22:44 GEETECH, Kingroon, Longer, Lulzbot
25:11 MakerBot, Markforged, Mingda
26:15 Pantheon Design, Positron
27:27 PRUSA
30:14 Qidi Tech, Raise 3D
32:35 Rook, RatRig, Seckit-Tank
35:07 Snapmaker
36:57 Sovol
38:22 TwoTrees, Tronxy, Ultimaker
39:24 Voron Design, Voxelab
42:26 VZBot, Wuxn, Zortrax
44:03 Final Corrections
44:44 Review of S-Tier Prints
47:09 Conclusions
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@Vez3D Жыл бұрын

Good video! Thanks for the kind word and honest opinion on all those bots :)

@MalignSociety Жыл бұрын

You've made a mean printer.

@NathanBuildsRobots 11 ай бұрын

You're welcome! There are two types of 3D printer developers: 1) Those who ask "What is possible" 2) Those who ask "What can we get away with" You are definitely in type 1, as are most people passionate about making good printers! There are a lot of companies in type 2.

@claytonanderson9665 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video man. Convinced me to begin upgrading my recently bought tronxy into a vzbot. Really neat project.

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

What Happens to D Tier Printers: kzfaq.infoodkKVIZItZA?feature=share

@XHolyPuffX 5 ай бұрын

I'm fucking dead bro 😂

@reasonablebeing5392 9 ай бұрын

I bought the K1 with the $200 off coupon from Micro Center. At that price point and with the newest extruder, hot end and a couple of convenience mods (270 deg, door (must print!), side spool holder, and lid riser), it has been producing fast, quality prints and as you said, keeping level. Still looking for a price/value 300x300 bed size core xy to replace my trusty ol' highly modded CR-10.

@valeriyproklov2868 11 ай бұрын

The positron was built to fit into a standard 1kg filament box. In my opinion any compromise that has to be made to achieve that is acceptable, because if someone told me a printer could fit in such a small space before I saw it I wouldn’t believe them. The upside downess doesn’t even impact print quality. In fact bridges are supposedly even better. It’s only problems are a lack of a decent kit, the fact it’s Bowden, and no auto Z offset capability which is nearly standard on Vorons.

@randallporch1800 10 ай бұрын

I use a 3D pen like a welder for 3D printed parts, love it for that. Much better than products sold as 'plastic welders', which are basically soldering irons.

@poepflater 11 ай бұрын

As a pensioner I'm looking for the cheapest one i wouldn't throw off a balcony

@poepflater 10 ай бұрын

I found an old discontinued Flashforge Finder 1 for about $130, great little printer if limited in abilities. But super nice prints

@safargris815 10 ай бұрын

Ordered the Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro, like the all metal guide rails. i'm excited to get started printing with it!

@aberodriguez4149 Жыл бұрын

Lol I wound out in the Clone Trooper area ! The Ender Series :( ZZZZZ Great Tier List it will point me in the right direction, thanks for sharing

@A13tech 11 ай бұрын

thanks for the video. I have two enders 3. Im just sick of keeping them going. A few tens of kg of the material printed and I dont want to deal with them anymore. This video help me to choose a next one. Probably P1S or K1max or let see if something new will come before christmas.

@reasonablebeing5392 9 ай бұрын

+1 on the Ender 2 pro - I had the parts from TH3D so I just swapped out the main board for an EZ-board (yeah I had to make adapter cables), added EZ ABL and flex plate and upgraded the power supply to a Meanwell and a metal extruder. It sits on my desk for protos and also to take with me if I need to make a practical print on demand. I wanted it to be bullet-proof and reliable and it is. The prints are high quality every time.

@dexxeve9420 Жыл бұрын

WORTH A WATCH TO A QUICK ROUNDUP OF ALL 3D PRINTERS TO DATE 2023

@andymeenanvideos 11 ай бұрын

Printing this out after joining Patreon, absolutely spot on with your choices, Fantastic video which needs regular updates.

@SingularityAdvent 11 ай бұрын

No bullshit review, excellent.🎉

@BenniShogun 10 ай бұрын

I recently purchased an Ender 5S1. I was disappointed at first, but after adding a Sonic Pad it is much better. Going for the K1 Max next.

@Staffii1 8 ай бұрын

S1 is better than the K1 Max.

@rosshalford4041 Жыл бұрын

When you cant work out if he is serious or shitposting on KZfaq.

@larss207 Жыл бұрын

great video!

@groundedhippo9356 Жыл бұрын

My p1s I got a week ago has been a nightmare, I couldn’t get a single good print out of it, it just got clogged, made bubbly, holey messes and after cleaning the plastic of the nozzle, it wouldn’t regulate the heat to the nozzle anymore so now it just won’t print at all. Worst 1500$ I’ve ever spent. My friend says it might work if I add some new thermal paste but I don’t see any reason to believe it’s not going to keep making my life miserable.

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

The good thing about it is that it just works 95% of the time. The bad thing is, when it breaks it’s quite a bit trickier to fix, and support can be difficult to find. It’s a more complex machine than the old style bedslingers. Add to that, the bambu lab community tends to dogpile anyone who complains about quality or reliability.

@BeefIngot 11 ай бұрын

Firstly that's not even the price of one. Secondly, there are 2 free spare hotend in the box, why wouldn't your first move be to swap them out in 2 minutes? Lastly, in case these weird descrepencies are real, because I do acknowledge every product has lemons, you must realize that every product has lemons. That being said, if your only issue is you got a clogged nozzle and the fix is already in the box and 2 screws and a connector away , is that really a valid reason to trash a printer when just about every printer ever can jam and this one has a design less likely to jam with the uni body hotend?

@SwervingLemon 5 ай бұрын

@@BeefIngot949 plus tax and shipping and any add-ons could easily get him into the 1500 price range. The one I just saw had only one spare hotend. Your criticims might be valid, if they weren't marketing this thing as the "it just works" printer for newbies. Their QC/QA isn't great, and their support is a serious weak point. Having said that, the quality and speed of print that I just saw out of one left me stunned. Genuinely shocked.

@whatisyouremailid Жыл бұрын

Surprisingly don't see the Kingroon KP3S Pro S1 which you used few days back. Balcony? Flawed? Good ? S tier?

@christianlewis615 Жыл бұрын

I think this is one of the most helpful videos and tire list to be able to make a decision on which printer to buy next. I will definitely be referring to this if I buy another printer.

@earlowens998 11 ай бұрын

The P1P is an excellent printer that is currently $599. At that price point, the quality of the prints without modifications, the availability of modifications both for sale and that can be user created and the apps that give users control without requiring genius or professional levels, the P1P kicks everyone else's butt at that price point. The Prusa MK4 is way too expensive for a bed slinger. BTW I have a a MK4 on order so I can complain about spending too much for a bed slinger.

@astrakartoffel4676 10 ай бұрын

The P1P is amazing, but i see no reason to get the P1P over the P1S because its only 100 bucks more expensive, u got like almost the same enclosure as the X1 even with the carbon filter

@doron910 5 ай бұрын

I can't decide between the KE and the K1! Both at a reasonable price. The K1 is a corexy but it means it's more complex to mess around with and I also read it makes more noise..

@samuelmiller916 6 ай бұрын

to be honest ive used the formlabs printer at work and I think of it as the prusa of resin printing since it just works.

@YoruPlay3r 6 ай бұрын

im gonna be totally honest i came here to see where my first and only printer the anycubic kobra 2 now upgraded to anycubic kobra 2 pro ranked and i totally agree with your ranking i am now writing this comment and dipping thanks for putting my printer where it rightfully belongs

@nf8721 10 ай бұрын

Bought my first printer (Neptune 4) without much knowledge about them and seems I made the right choice

@daliasprints9798 Жыл бұрын

Epic troll video. 😂

@JosephStory Жыл бұрын

lk5 24:45 I'd add that it's a single z motor drive as well. Way better out there for less money now.

@MatheusFP104 Жыл бұрын

I love my V-Core 3. Fantastic printer

@apptech1350 10 ай бұрын

I’d love to see your opinion on the new Bambu labs A1 mini coming out soon

@califuturist 6 ай бұрын

Comprehensive spreadsheet. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

@bpc4209 Жыл бұрын

Lol, why does Nathan always look like he just woke up? j/k man love the channel!

@dangerous8333 Жыл бұрын

Haha, so true. I love that about him actually.

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

Day in the life of a KZfaqr (this is more accurate than I care to admit) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZtZiY7WQq96Zo6M.html

@onestopfunstop317 11 ай бұрын

The Ender3 S1 Pro is Excellent. I have a bunch of them. I run ABS around the clock. 24/7. Zero Problems. Need to manually level about once a month. Then it's just, print, print, print.

@NathanBuildsRobots 11 ай бұрын

Nice 👍

@NathanBuildsRobots 11 ай бұрын

Sometimes boring printer is a good thing 😃

@BeefIngot 11 ай бұрын

Ok I had to step up to defend the position because your rating there was just devistatingly unfair to such amazing enginuity. Its upside down for many reasons. 1. It's designed to be as small as possible, having it upside down means you don't need a cube to support the opposite side from the print head saving space. 2. It let's you still get a view of the first layer through the bed which is awesome. 3. It gets literally the best bridging you've ever seen because gravity is in your side when youre upside down. 4. The moving mass is closer to the bae meaning it's one of the most stable designs possible, short of drilling your printer directly into concrete. 5. Just look at the damn thing!!! Can you believe one college dude designed that? Freaking amazing!

@themechanic6151 9 ай бұрын

what are you talking about my guy?

@BeefIngot 9 ай бұрын

@@themechanic6151 Did you watch the video? The Positron.

@themechanic6151 9 ай бұрын

@@BeefIngot oh I see now, you said position earlier so it confused me. I watched a video on it. That thing is sick

@BeefIngot 9 ай бұрын

@@themechanic6151 You now see why I called this man out on his absolute slander of my poor boy.

@1fareast14 Жыл бұрын

32:44 the 100, a fork of the rook for speed printing is also worth mentioning (never mind, you did :) )

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

@omegadeepblue1407 Жыл бұрын

The ender 2 really do very well

@JumpingJack6 11 ай бұрын

Could you do a list where you only consider print quality and speed and not adjust for price.

@Joaolages Жыл бұрын

Can you tell me what software are you using (drag and drop) ?

@glenncol Жыл бұрын

What about the Elegoo 3 Pro and the Neptune 4 Pro

@mattclay4 Жыл бұрын

So I have a Voron Trident 350 and 0.1 as well as a Prusa Mini and Ender 2 Pro. I could recommend all these printers honestly, but the Prusa Mini is the one I would have if I could only pick one, simply due to the size and simplicity, if I had to pick only one printer to have overall it would be a smaller Trident.

@artvist1438 11 ай бұрын

I NEED AN URGENT ANSWER! I pre-ordered the Ender 3 V3 SE a few days ago. The printer will reach me on September 25-30. Before ordering this printer, I was planning to buy the "Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro" printer because its price seemed excellent compared to its competitors. The thing that kept me from buying Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro was that users on the internet had a lot of problems, but for some reason it made more sense to buy now. Do you think I should return the Ender 3 V3 SE I bought?

@NathanBuildsRobots 11 ай бұрын

Ender 3 V3 is a great printer, especially for a first printer. Don’t sweat it!

@matthewsmith2385 11 ай бұрын

Gotva ender 3 V2 for 100$ did the Cr touch mod and. Changed the bed springs ,Bowden tube and extruder for 60$ I believe it was a good purchase because I'm a beginner

@Kipitrl Жыл бұрын

This was perfect! Should do this every quarter and update! Thank you!

@Kipitrl 11 ай бұрын

My list of printers even though I'm a noob to all this. Longer LK4 Pro Longer LK5 Pro Creality ender 3 v2 neo Creality ender 3 s1 plus Anycubic Kobra Neo Anycubic Kobra Max bummed when I saw where this one placed. Looking forward to the new Ender and one day once I figure all this out the P1S. Looking at the Neptune 4 as well 😀

@justiciaparaespana7236 Жыл бұрын

I will sell the CR10 V3 because I'm tired with the extruder and also it's heavy for me. I will throw from the balcony... I changed the motor and the extruder and still no working well. The motor skips steps and it provocates constantly clogs but, when It works, it's a great machine. I have my two Ender 3 that I will never sell them and yes... I know that they're a boring 3D printers despite that there are already more fast machines but the maintenance cost is the lowest than the K1. The K1 I'm having bad experience with customer services... The machine is OK but, as you say, the extruder was causing the majority of the problem but also has overheat problems on the conector of the camera from the motherboard. When the motherboard gets hot, the camera dies... So I had to install a Yihome camera to know what's happening on the K1 meanwhile is printing. On the last firmware update from the K1, the printer got frozen and remained with the hotend and the bed hot meanwhile I was outside when, for my opinion, was a great fire risk because it there was an error, it should be turn off everything until I come back home. At this moment I'm building a Voron 0.2 and I'm having fun and learning a lot about everything, but I bought it before summer holidays and I builded the half of the printer. On the future I'm thinking to buy a Prusa MK4 to replace the CR10 V3 because the big one is overprice for me and quite heavy. I know that the Prusa has less volume print surface but I use the CR10 V3 a few times. Greetings from Spain.

@soapy5343 Жыл бұрын

The upside down design makes the positron compact and the belts make it insanely fast

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

I still don’t understand. Was it designed by an Australian or something?

@soapy5343 Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots the design means it doesn't need arms on the side, allowing it to fit inside a filament box

@soapy5343 Жыл бұрын

Not sure if you've seen this but the video sums up the design kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jsWBf9uFu9rdnps.html

@f1hotrod527 Жыл бұрын

Enders are CR-10 clones, not the other way around. CR-10 was the game changing printer from creality, far more than the Ender. The ender was just a cheaper smaller version of the CR-10. I have the original CR-10 and It prints just as high quality as the Bambu X1C we have where I work (just a lot slower). Now the CR-10 models you show are boring, not because of the Ender series, just because they did not really improve on the CR-10 in a large way, and they are bed slingers, and you can say any bed slinger is boring at this point.

@rmfberry261 11 ай бұрын

i was questioning myself i swore the cr10 was out first.

@channelnotfound403 9 ай бұрын

But didn't the Ender 3 start out as a all in one printer? Cause I know the CR-10 didn't start that way, with the huge box sitting at the side. That's probably one of the reason why it gets it own tier and not considered a clone.

@f1hotrod527 9 ай бұрын

@@channelnotfound403 yes the cr-10 does have the separate control box and it is one thing I don’t like about mine. I still think the CR-10 was the printer that put Creality on the map and was more of a pioneer than Ender. The aluminum construction with V wheels was brought my the CR-10.

@3D_Printing Жыл бұрын

Does it list the Flyingbear Revision 2 with auto leveling and PEI, agg klipper

@airingcupboard Жыл бұрын

Will there be a review of the Mingda X2? Or is it already is pieces after landing in the street?

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

They offered to send me a 2nd one... So We'll see

@oic165 11 ай бұрын

Maaaan. I just bought a V2. I needed this 3 weeks ago. Definitely following you. Great info man. Thank you.

@rainmannoodles 11 ай бұрын

Ultimaker: for when you want Ender 3 quality at Prusa XL pricing.

@BeefIngot 11 ай бұрын

Lol, but really though, theyrre for a different audience. That audience wants the air filter and filament station and filament rack and employee training. Too that audience, 500 bucks vs 5000 bucks is no difference.

@ThinkHarderPlz 10 ай бұрын

Great video! Thinking of getting a P1s. Who needs the AMS? I want to print model airplane parts and woodworking tools. Would I miss it if I didn’t get it? This will be my first printer.

@NathanBuildsRobots 10 ай бұрын

Some people really like the AMS. But if you are just making functional items with no color changes, I think it would be easier to go without it, and pick one up later if you decide you need it

@ThinkHarderPlz 10 ай бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobotsThanks for the response! Would you choose the P1S over the Qidi X+ 3 or the Creality K1? I like that they are bigger but from what I understand the P1S prints higher quality.

@JohnDStrand Жыл бұрын

You don't like Delta printers? UNSUB! You have lost all the little respect that you had. I certainly hope JJ likes Delta printers. I should have known, when you added syrup to your coffee. Heathen!

@cpasoft Жыл бұрын

I've put the Delta printers on tier C because potatoes (a Spanish expression than means "because reasons" but more ironical) ... Loool...

@ulyssesdraco 11 ай бұрын

The Neptune 4 and SV07 are ten dollars in difference right now, so for $269 you can get the Sv07 with wifi functionality. There has also been some talk of a possible SV07 Plus with a larger print area coming out sometime this year.

@lun7n 11 ай бұрын

People have a lot of problems with the sv07. Also, both the Neptune 4 and sv07 are heavily flawed having v rollers with such high speed capacity.

@BeefIngot 11 ай бұрын

@@lun7n I just want to take the time to join you in hating vrollers. They're just such an awful motion system. Bad wear and tear, unpredictable and worse than normal precision,the ability to get flat spots by sitting for awhile , gunning up other components with the rubber dust for no positive tradeoff and the list goes on and on. I hate that it became the standard for cheap printers.

@earlowens998 11 ай бұрын

The Ender 2 Pro is selling for $125.30 right now. It has a 165 x 165 x 180mm build. It has 4 leveling knobs. you have it on the very good printer's level. I'm amazed. If it is almost worth buying for a novelty to put on the shelf, but I have doubts that it should be on the very good printer's level. I would love to see you justify that.

@reasonablebeing5392 9 ай бұрын

See my other comment - this one is not a novelty but the most portable printer I own and great for protos - I have taken it with me to print practical prints real time. And good quality prints. Very good in my book.

@dexxeve9420 Жыл бұрын

This is not just a Teir list. but a quick round up review of all the 3D printers or a buyers guide if buying a 3d printer in 2023. So i would say its the most update all round very, very quick to the point review of ALL THE 3D printers out. So the video has double value for those new to 3d printers and are overwhelmed. Did i mention his a engineer too :). This prob is the best most update video round up of all 3D printers to date WATCH IT if new or want an update to 3D printers. OR else did i mention his an engineer lol

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

"Trust me, I'm an engineer" It works in every situation

@bliska8434 11 ай бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots based on your statements in this video, I question your engineering credentials. Engineers can tell the difference between accessories and printers... AMS and Sonic Pad/clone on a printer list, janky printers in S-tier with Vorons. RatRig, Prusa Mk4 and an ender clone as "Average". Having personally used the majority of these printers, your list lacks education.

@MalignSociety 11 ай бұрын

Nathan only missed 6 or 7 times.@@bliska8434

@dexxeve9420 11 ай бұрын

@@bliska8434 SLAP!!

@Rob-vt1mz 8 ай бұрын

I agree 100% it's overwhelming doing research. I'm a first time buyer with a $200-$300 budget for Black Friday 2023 on Amazon, I'm in the market for a 3D printer suitable for my diverse hobbies, including woodworking and fish keeping (4' tank), RC Airplanes, quads. At this price range, I'm trying to balance equipment quality with bed size. Top of entry level price point & bottom of mid range price point is a bit of a pain. Majority at my flying field have enders. (one guy with a 3d printed zero. Very nice) A couple guys with higher end models. While many recommend Ender printers, I'm wary of their common issues and the need for extensive modding. I'm not worried about the skill to mod but more the time for it. I'm willing to invest in a higher-quality printer within my budget and explore firmware options like Klipper and Orca. Nathan's videos have been helpfull in my research. Majority of others I've seen are more like adcopy. Working on getting my list down to the top 3 or 4 now and Q'n up the wishlist for tomorrow.

@Noxoreos 11 ай бұрын

I had one great use for a 3d printing pen once or twice. I had printed upgrades for my first printer, which was an Anycubic Mega S, and when I was installing them (change of the whole X gantry), it turned out to not work as expected (positioning was off and the X limit switch was never triggering). With the 3d printing pen I could change the trigger to reach out further back and that worked, so that I did not have to undo the whole mod just to be able to print again. I wanted to print out a new, fitting part, but that worked so well, that i didn't bother to do that. I did end up printing another mod, but only because the pla got soft inside an enclosure while printing ASA and the chamber got above 50°C. Other than that a pen is useful for adding "side walls" into a part where no hole was before but needed to be added: Drill a bigger hole, fill it up with plastic then drill a smaller hole inside that. Or weld parts together. Or: Attach a clear window in a designed cutout using some clear plastic film.

@NextOnes 10 ай бұрын

I would like to see a review of Formon core

@user-uq9yo1cx9u Жыл бұрын

How about Lerdge ix? It's the only printer which doesn't need a computer to do any setting on it. That must be worth being on a board

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

I had firmware issues on the first Lerdge product I tested. It would immediately set the hotend to 200C upon powering it on...

@limoranch 6 ай бұрын

Deltas are so much easier to program to work with non-planar printing and the slopes and curves are just beautiful and almost impossible to do on an rail printers.

@lucase764 Жыл бұрын

I regret purchasing a Prusa MK3S. I agree with your rating. It costs too much. The print quality is ok. The stock cooling isn't very good. Their customer service is fantastic though.

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

1 year ago, it’s be an A. Now, it’s more like a B, even with the MK4 upgrade, which is a little underwhelming

@lucase764 Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots I probably shouldn't be so hard on the MK3S. There are things I like about it.

@dme2453 11 ай бұрын

My MK3S turns out some amazing prints. I’ve been afraid to upgrade it.

@TMS5100 Жыл бұрын

What about the boron nitride tier?

@R.B_B 9 ай бұрын

Is anyone using Two Trees models? I use SP 3 and SP5 and are good out of the box. And amazing with a few mods. The structure is very solid.

@sierraecho884 8 ай бұрын

Did you forget the Flashforge Adventurer 5M / 5M Pro ? It´s not a great printer since the Firmware is locked, however it´s the cheapest quality Core XY I could buy for 400€. The Bamu Lab P1P cost 650€ and the K1 430€. I also love the nozzle swap, even thou the hotend cost 25€ but I won´t need them regulary anyway, I still use the same Nozzle on my current 3D Printer from 2019.

@TBerq 11 ай бұрын

I’m looking to buy my first 3D printer. You said you prefer Elegoo Neptune 4 instead of the pro version because is it quieter. 4 is $300 and 4 pro is $400 including tax in Turkey. Would you say the pro isn’t worth it for the extra $100?

@NathanBuildsRobots 11 ай бұрын

Yes, pro version does not offer any real speed increase. It just uses metal wheels that are more proprietary and probably louder

@TBerq 11 ай бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots Thanks. Would I have any problem with the wheel being propreitary? I wasn’t able to find many retailers that sell 3D printer parts and the ones that do are expensive. Maybe I should look into buying cheap parts from China. I was thinking of making a small business out of 3D printing. I’ve been researching a lot and think this is the best machine for me to buy right now. Do you think it’s worth to wait for Creality Ender 3 V3 SE?

@petercallison5765 Жыл бұрын

Your next video should on the best machines to be ugraded. What's the cheapest path to a top tier machine?

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

I like the neptune 4 because it is essentially a fully upgraded Ender 3. Better part cooling, higher flow nozzle, klipper, dual z axis, ABL, direct drive extruder, all metal hotend, etc etc etc. So that would be the cheapest option. Additional upgrades could be added if you feel it needs some. Cheapest option for an enclosed printer is probably flying bear ghost 6 on Klipper. I have a hunch that the Ghost 7 may come stock with klipper, which would be awesome.

@BeefIngot 11 ай бұрын

Strong opinion: The answer is no printer. It's never worth your time to buy a crappy printer then upgrade it. You're way better off just buying a better one from the get go. If I had a gun to my head though, I'd say a Vezbot. Easy enough to mod, and clearly an enthusiast printer.

@SkateSoup 4 ай бұрын

"When you have a longer tube, you end up with more friction." 🤣💀🤣

@NathanBuildsRobots 4 ай бұрын

It's not absolutely true. But it's mostly true.

@JosephLorentzen 7 ай бұрын

How about arranging each level according to MSRP?

@SPG_ADR13N Жыл бұрын

Cool!

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

Mingda

@SPG_ADR13N Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots It should definitely be 1sT Tier! Also excluding the price is the X1C really worse than the P1S? Like is it slightly better?

@petercallison5765 Жыл бұрын

Try the latest firmware update on the K1 Max, it has improved the first layer.

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

I heard it was bricking some ppl's printers... Or was that a different update?

@aware2action 10 ай бұрын

While the grading is excellent, from an user experience point of view, the slicer compatibilty has a marked impact on the performance. While Cura is easier, it is not that advanced like the Prusa slicer, or its derivatives. IdeaMaker is excellent too, interms of better support for non-standard printers such as Delta's(Flsun) and Belt Printers(CR-30). Again, it comes down to user preference, but is an important factor to consider on par with hardware quality and performance, and the final result that is achievable from the given hardware.

@Brian-S 11 ай бұрын

After upgrading the cooling fans, moving to klipper and using the sv06 for a few weeks I've been loving it. Though I wish I would of waited for the Neptune 4 pro

@Liberty4Ever 11 ай бұрын

11:34 - "They're probably gonna make an Elegoo Neptune 4 Max" YES! That's the printer I'm waiting for. A reliable and easy to maintain bed slinger, with steel rails, Klipper and a large print volume.

@MrBaskins2010 11 ай бұрын

damn i was just gonna buy a refurb Sovol SV06 MAX but imma just wait for elegoo's next mixtape lol

@Liberty4Ever 11 ай бұрын

@@MrBaskins2010 - The curse of technology. Newer and better stuff is coming. If we wait for it, we won't enjoy the current newer and better stuff, and there's always something newer and better. It's inevitable that larger format Klipper bed slingers are coming. Manufacturers almost always release new technology on a 220 mm machine then follow up with a 300 mm machine. Hopefully, this time, they'll max out the larger and slightly more expensive machines with all of the features we want such as WiFi, UBS port instead of micro SD, steel-on-steel motion control instead of acetyl V rollers, etc. I expect this goodness in a couple of months or less.

@mpariente2877 10 ай бұрын

Thanks. What a great job. In not sure what should I get for 500. Should I buy an mk3s+ or an ender 3 se?

@NathanBuildsRobots 10 ай бұрын

SE in my opinion

@CardboardCreationism Жыл бұрын

All my printers are ZZZ tier except my Ender 2. LOL I love it!

@MisterkeTube 11 ай бұрын

The Prusa XL is too expensive and not enclosed by default, so I'd definitely say it is flawed.

@xXKisskerXx 11 ай бұрын

its enclosure.. is a bag. For that price.. at least a basic enclosure where each wall is 2 layers of thin aluminum with a insulating barrier in between would be more in the rage for the cost... I mean.. they are charging enough for it.

@crooker2 8 ай бұрын

Bought an Ender 3 V3. Great hardware. Software sucks... So hard. PLEASE someone create a klipper or MriscoC config for the E3V3. :)

@Map71Vette 11 ай бұрын

My ancient Micro Center Flashforge clone had served me well for many years and through several upgrades. Was expensive back in the day because it was just new tech back when I got it, but it's held up very well and is reasonably upgradable. Dual filament as well, but the hot end holds it back from any extreme print speeds.

@PeakByte 11 ай бұрын

Ender 3 S1 Plus? 300x300? 150mm speed and 300C?

@dominikmarc4820 Жыл бұрын

It's flying bear after all, right... RIGHT?

@scottramos7949 11 ай бұрын

How about adding the some of the printers from Lulzbot?

@ArchonLicht 9 ай бұрын

What about that smaller cheaper Qidi X-smart 3? It's price is very compelling.

@greenman360 11 ай бұрын

Seeing the E3V3 in S Tier saved me a lot of time, lmao. It might be a good printer, and considering the price it could even be very good. But best of the best? LOL.

@NathanBuildsRobots 11 ай бұрын

Value, as in price to performance, is very important for me.

@timothyreyes5392 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a Nathan with an F boi look not someone who looks like they just woke up 😂😂

@2151hunter 11 ай бұрын

Using Kobra2 I can say that it should go to C-tier. The metal rails and metal gears is a fail - the printer CAN print fast but you don't want to be in the same room- the whole frame is resonating and it's a pain hearing it running. And you can find a lot of people complaining for the same issues. Yes, it's more durable than rubber V-wheels in the extrusion slots, but it just doesn't work...

@NathanBuildsRobots 11 ай бұрын

I’m reviewing it now,m and editing the video, completely agree. This thing is not a standout in any way, just another boarding Ender 3 clone, albeit with some interesting features

@kwedl Жыл бұрын

I got a Kingroon KLP1 two weeks ago and it's one of the worst printers i have owned so far. Corexy and those speeds/specs sound great at the price, but their Klipper configs are horrible and their cura profile is completely useless, they basicly just cranked everything up to max and even after hours and hours i can't get a decent pressure advance result. The built quality and overall parts are great, at least the V2 version with the all metal hotend, but aside from that it is basicly useless unless you completely start over from scratch with klipper and cura.

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

That's not the end of the world, if it just needs some slicer and klipper tuning that is completely fixable via an over the air update, or by rolling community improvements back into the design.

@kwedl Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots Sadly i have my doubts about community improvements, there are almost no reviews about it, not even the V1 version which has been out for months and you almost can't find any redidt or forum posts about it. And Kingroon customer service is basicly non existent. I emailed them for multiple weeks now and tried to reach them via their site or social media, but no replies.

@03Cmanu Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots , i've got a klp1 too , two days of use and the part fan died , 3 days and it was the THR board , they send me a new one and there was communication error between the thr and the motherboard.They send me another THR and a new motherboard. Same problem. The heated bed support was twisted, the belts almost impossible to tighten without disassembling. And I'm not the only one. Now after many hours of test it seems to work well , i had to modify the steppers current because i think they set them too high and it causes the communications trouble. I'm also waiting for the printhead of the V2 they promise me. And now i use orca slcier , much better than cura. They released an emergency V2 like for the KP3S pro v2 which also had a lot of problems. So don't buy if you want a reliable printer.

@johnle7670 Жыл бұрын

Subbed!! Just for the trolls! Lmao

@Mrt1516 11 ай бұрын

In my country , the ender 5 s1 is the same price of ankermake m5 Which one do you recommend?

@BeefIngot 11 ай бұрын

Gotta be honest, I hate both, but would go with the creality. Why? They have more spares and support(from the community) availibe.Anker doesn't look like they are fully devoted to staying in this business. Also look up the eufy security disaster .

@Mrt1516 11 ай бұрын

@@BeefIngot hi, thanks for your reply, i purchased the Elegoo neptune 3 pro, and looks awesome for now

@iikkakonola Жыл бұрын

Just a thought here, your videos had a lot more sensible content just 6 months ago. Now there are tons of videos with not that much real content. Happy to see that channel has grown, but maybe quality is fluctuating a bit...?

@NathanBuildsRobots 11 ай бұрын

KZfaq wants the content train to go Chooo choooooooooooo

@Liberty4Ever 11 ай бұрын

19:30 - "I literally threw this one off of a balcony so I'm gonna have to put it in D tier. If I didn't do that, I'd definitely put it in A or B." This is a strange rating system. 😛 44:30 - The Ghost 6 is redeemed, from off-the-balcony D tier to A tier. 😀

@chalapathipenmetsa5820 17 күн бұрын

a piece of AMS is over the P1P, K1 and the CR-30 but hey your opinion is your opinion its valid 👍

@BeefIngot 11 ай бұрын

Prusa mini with a not all metal hotend in current year still missing featured they promised years ago, taking up very similar space to a mk3 while not having much build volume, having notorious ender 3 like ptfe tube lineup issues, a price you could get a neptune 4 for.... I personally think it's absolutely nowhere near s tier. It want even s tier when it came out imo

@banditboy1 9 ай бұрын

What about a JG Maker Artist D and Artist D Pro?

@TC-lq4dm Жыл бұрын

I am really looking forward for you getting a Kingroon KLP1 for review, I almost bought one because of the cheap price and enclosure but couldnt find much about it on the internet. I think a review done by you would be the only source of info I need to decide if I should buy one.

@badassspilot Жыл бұрын

I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on the X Max 3, especially compared to the bambu offerings. I have read reports of heat beds being warped a fair bit despite the 6mm thickness, some concerns of the hot end fan and the psu for the chamber heating element being undersized. Have you used industrial 3d printers such as stratasys or comparable ultra expensive machines, do they have any appreciable improvements over the hobbyist grade? I appreciate the brutal honesty and unassuming nature of your work, especially as a legitimate degreed engineer.

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

TY, I have used Stratasys machines. They can still have failures, but overall they are optimized for quality and reliability, and ability to print high-grade materials. The cost increase is massive though. You're talking 20x-100x more expensive to run than a hobby machine. Will be checking out the X-Max 3 soon

@alexfeatherstone6676 Жыл бұрын

X-plus 3 had the heat chamber warping issue, the xmax3 is built to a higher quality and larger. It doesn't have the issue that the x-plus 3 has

@filamentio 10 ай бұрын

I love my artillery printer such an underated maschine 🥰

@MemeMoh Ай бұрын

where is ender 3 neo rank?

@ThirtyFiveOldBrush 11 ай бұрын

just subbscribed..cool channel..may i ask you a feedback cause m struggling wich choise is bettere between k1max quidi xmax3 and a p1s with ams....in term of quality that is my first goal...the others ar more usable cause are bigger but the ams is phenomenal to have.....m so confuse... thanks so much for your time and anyone else want to join this comment ;) cheers from italy

@DezoTuts Жыл бұрын

the 2.4 is the big brother to the trident, and i have to disagree with putting the mini+ in with likes of vzbot and trident

@dangerous8333 Жыл бұрын

Big brother in what regard? All I know is that I would much rather build a Trident than a 2.4.

@DezoTuts Жыл бұрын

@@dangerous8333 in regards to it being voron version 2 and trident being 1. it came after the development of the trident, its so much more popular than the trident. its a more complex build... bigger brother in almost every way. i built a trident for the speed capability i dont feel like the 2.4 has a rigid enough gantry for higher speeds being thats its hanging. most people build whats new and thats why there are so many more 2.4s than tridents

@sumniumdoit8686 Жыл бұрын

can you recommend some good upgrades for neptune 3 plus?

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

Cht nozzle probably

@MisterDeets Жыл бұрын

I can fill you in on my experience with the Reborn 2 from Flying Bear. It tried to burn my place to the ground more than once with the stock firmware. The preheat setting using the built in screen would sometimes cause the printer's computer to lock up and no longer respond to anything (probably some infinite loop built into the firmware). I fixed it's homicidal tendencies by converting the printer to Klipper (that isn't very easy to do because the instructions aren't in english). The company was not very good to deal with when it came down to fixing the damage from the overheating. They forced me to prove that the parts were damaged before they would replace them (nevermind the video I posted on youtube with the glowing red smouldering hot end with deformed/melted cooling fan ducts kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbOof86Xp6rGhYE.html). They were an insulting nightmare to deal with considering what happened. There are issues with this printer that no reviewer I've seen has addressed. The prints have a belt or motor noise artifact that is very evident on the prints. It is fine for functional parts, but not for anything that could be considered art unless you really like sanding and bondo.

@rockman9h02m 11 ай бұрын

fwiw i own one and i'll be posting some neat mods for it. i think the frame still is a good base to start with. The rest of it though is kinda garbage as you've experienced. Perhaps reborn 2 english-speaking owners should make a server :)

@MisterDeets 11 ай бұрын

@@rockman9h02m Does yours have the belt/motor noise artifacts in the prints as well? Pretty sure it's motor noise issues.

@BeefIngot 10 ай бұрын

God that sounds awful. That's well 0ast the "never buy, even as a base" tier of awful.

@kostek83 10 ай бұрын

I'm just at the stage of choosing my first fdm printer. I've only used resin printers so far. I'm thinking about something not too expensive, but so that I don't regret it right away. Maybe someone can help me choose. In my country, of those that caught my eye, the ender 3 v3 se and neptune 4 are at a similar price. Prusa mini is almost twice as expensive. Can you recommend something else under $500?

@NathanBuildsRobots 10 ай бұрын

Wait 2 weeks ;)

@kostek83 10 ай бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots thers something one the horizon ?

@kostek83 10 ай бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots so its something worth waiting for coming? Im really new to fdm printing so im not up to date with news

@raphofthehills4405 10 ай бұрын

@@kostek83 I think he is refering to the Bambu A1 mini. $300 base, $450 with AMS.