3D printing Polypropylene (PP) filament - FormFutura Centaur PP™ REVIEW
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Күн бұрынI tested the capabilities of 3D prints made from Polypropylene (PP) filament.
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DISCLAIMER: NONE of these tests were performed with any officially calibrated test equipment. The values presented in this video are for information/entertainment only and will not be comparable to any official tests!
@Primink 5 жыл бұрын
guys, he said pp hehe
@capti7555 5 жыл бұрын
Love your content
@TheRealKitWalker 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@Bryan-es2tl 2 жыл бұрын
Centaur pp 😮
@tiestofalljays Жыл бұрын
hehehe Centaur pp
@John223 Жыл бұрын
And he sucked on it, too
@WaltonPete 5 жыл бұрын
I have been wondering why polypropylene isn't much easier to source as a 3D printing material. Given its incredible flexibility it should be much more widely used than it is. The price would also likely fall with greater demand. Your dedication and attention to detail are admirable.
@hyperhektor7733 5 жыл бұрын
PP,PE and PET are mass products already and 10-40x cheaper than pla, but you need companies to form it into Filament and then you need buyers. Booth things which depend on each other , a chicken-egg problem :D
@WaltonPete 5 жыл бұрын
@@hyperhektor7733 Yes. I'm aware of the widespread adoption of PP, PE and PET. Although PET is fairly widely available in filament form, as you point out, with increased demand other polymers could, hopefully, become more available as such.
@VestedUTuber 5 жыл бұрын
It's a specialized material that's primarily useful for practical prints and isn't exactly cheap. The average person isn't going to be making anything that needs that kind of strength and thus can't justify the costs.
@joncue0304 4 жыл бұрын
PP is about the cheapest raw material is to buy. I was a materials manager in a plastic manufacturer for years. Part of my job was negotiating contracts with suppliers. I was buying high performance PP for around 68 cents per pound. That was after the price of oil went through the roof (PP price is directly tied to the price of oil). Before that I was paying well under 50 cents per pound. If you get into the cheaper PP material, for example T20P100, which is 20 percent talc filled, the price goes down significantly. Which basically means they throw dirt in the material to make it last longer, lol. In comparison, the ABS material we used was of a VERY low cost provider. That material was 1.40 per pound if I bought full truckloads. I can't speak for 3d printing yet, but in injection molding this was about the easiest material to process. You can crank out millions of parts with this stuff and not even show wear on the tooling. The bad part, in the automotive world at least, was that it couldn't be used for much. The vast majority of the material was nylon 6 or nylon 66, which varied between 2.25 and 2.75 per pound most of the time. And with the fillers needed became extremely abrasive, most commonly glass filled. I'm just starting to get into 3d printing. If I decide to start using PP, I'm going to pick up a filament extruder and make my own since I can get it from the last place I worked. Even if I pay twice what they're getting it for I'll still be way under 2.00 a pound and I know where the material is sources and the specific specifications it has to meet. The more I think about it, I might talk to my friend that bought the place I was working and see if it's viable to start producing filament.
@joncue0304 4 жыл бұрын
If you are really interested in the actual raw materials, matweb and ul prospector are great resources. Here's an example. www.matweb.com/search/datasheettext.aspx?matguid=a0f26e2f748a479a81cc98276e25e316
@JackieBright 5 жыл бұрын
Why my polypropylene hard
@bilIy 4 жыл бұрын
Cok
@connor1667 4 жыл бұрын
Yo 100th like
@MachineManGabb 4 жыл бұрын
You have to low nozzle temperature
@adamarmstrong6234 4 жыл бұрын
Prob cause you like a good centaur pp
@ritabhate6924 3 жыл бұрын
0imp
@crusadertm 5 жыл бұрын
I love a good Centaur PP
@gamer2morrow 5 жыл бұрын
oh no. i get that reference.
@edwinng4610 4 жыл бұрын
Why
@journeyfan05 4 жыл бұрын
God just thinking bout that centaur pp makes my pp so hard
@chikukumar2442 4 жыл бұрын
@@edwinng4610 pl p
@chikukumar2442 4 жыл бұрын
@@gamer2morrow ppppppp pm p lp p
@LogicalWaste 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. i haven't been able to find much info on PP. You always supply so much information, thank you.
@0calvin 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy that you tested this material. PP is something I have been wanting to print with but have always been intimidated by the potential for warping. It is quite interesting how well the interlayer adhesion performed. Cheers!
@AlfredoAntonioMartinez 5 жыл бұрын
You are the boss Stefan! so much rich information, perfectly sort, wow, you are doing a really professional work ! keep doing this amazing job and providing this invaluable information!
@joemulkerins5250 4 жыл бұрын
Because of the mentioned properties ( hydrophilic, heat/chemical resistance etc) I think PP would easily surpass most flexible filaments with some development. Excellent engineering video as always! Thanks.
@kzalesak4 10 ай бұрын
You mean hydrophobic?
@nerys71 5 жыл бұрын
those layer bonds are amazing. as for tape residue. thats easy. painters tape THEN PP tape. :-) what about high temp deformation? it gets wobbly when hot but does it return to printed shape or "retain" the new shape if you bend it when it cools? ie how well will parts survive in a hot car? might make for good nose cones!
@CNCKitchen 5 жыл бұрын
At 100-120C the parts get mostly back into shape again and this is the point I wanted to make. I think they should totally survive a hot car (at least "hot" in German standards).
@maxamillionschnell 5 жыл бұрын
Does it separate from the tape or does does the tape fuse to the print permanently?
@CNCKitchen 5 жыл бұрын
Most of the time you can release the part from the tape which leaves a really nice, shiny surface. Only in some rare cases did the tape stick to the part permanently.
@anthonyrango4262 4 жыл бұрын
Hehe u said pp
@novembertheduck3575 3 жыл бұрын
"PP tape"
@GabbyMoore13 4 жыл бұрын
All you videos are fantastic. Thank you for all your hard work. I have a project where PP might be good and your video was just the information I needed.
@sirkooshiar 5 жыл бұрын
very comprehensive and honest. this video answered all of my questions about pp filament. thank you.
@David-uk3nv 5 жыл бұрын
Finally some info on PP. Thank you! As a suggestion for the next material to review: POM
@uptimefab7412 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! PP is an underrated material for 3D printing indeed... Thanks for mentioning my channel. Cheers, Robin
@CNCKitchen 5 жыл бұрын
Really great work you did in your video!
@skydance1151 5 жыл бұрын
Einfach danke für deine wissenschaftliche Vorgehensweise!!!
@AJWyman1 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! thank for the info never thought about PP but looks like a great option for scale RC parts... bumpers, cages and such!
@Djchrisman1 5 жыл бұрын
Love the information presented here! Also, that finger poke definitely made me lol :)
@mleitner0 5 жыл бұрын
Man I love this channel for 3D printer is amazing.
@fntsmn 5 жыл бұрын
I’m a big lover of PolyPropylene I think is such an amazing material and layers adhesion is great!
@void1719 5 жыл бұрын
Simone | FNTSMN big fan of peepee eh
@UPJ777 5 жыл бұрын
@@void1719 i can't help but giggle
@snofox4897 5 жыл бұрын
"Big lover of PP"
@scrimbloofficial1443 5 жыл бұрын
Thas gey bro
@yourguessisasgoodasmine6650 4 жыл бұрын
pp will and always will stand for pussŷ. Power.all e omen have one and really know t her power it holds Others that don't pity pity little kitty let's face it sex sells that hoepolyyi=sthsnecc'cccccccc' u sed the name?
@C3DPropShop 5 жыл бұрын
That's an awesome material! Can't wait until it's more widely available!
@thomasmroz 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video, Stefan.
@dariussteele3843 4 ай бұрын
With the rise of new printers and technologies, I really wish you could revisit some of these more challenging filaments. Printing PP on an X1C for example. Great video as always.
@BlueJeebs 3 жыл бұрын
Soft robotics, pneumatic logic gates, compliant mechanisms will all greatly benefit from this material. Great job, thanks for the info!
@anthonyrango4262 4 жыл бұрын
Every one: wow this is so interesting and educational Me: hehe pp
@JohnWayne99999a 3 жыл бұрын
loooool pee-pee
@JoachimSeuling 3 жыл бұрын
Pro Patria?
@raphaelmorgan2307 2 жыл бұрын
I just thought it was funny that he has his mouth on the pp in the thumbnail lmao
@avejst 5 жыл бұрын
Nice test 😀👍 Thanks for sharing 👍😀
@technikstudio7504 5 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Pretty interessting filament. You do a grate job thanks for that. 👍
@devluz 5 жыл бұрын
I was surprised you got this thing waterproof. Would be great if you could make a video about making things waterproof in general. Great video btw!
@justbeingthatguy 5 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic guide. THANK YOU.
@dale22x 5 ай бұрын
Even 5 year old videos coming in handy, designing a naked GoPro hero case for FPV. This looks like the perfect material. Looks like itll save weight and give the toughness I want with you. Only thing I wish you'd include in your tests is printing with supports. Printing TPU supports can sometimes be a nightmare
@conductiveinkalternative918 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome thank you for sharing. I want to try using this filament.
@minitos1 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing filament, I wish more brands were available..
@ivanmitiunov4848 5 жыл бұрын
your channel the best!!
@rodsnyder6020 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks a lot for your work!
@vietnguyen2354 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, especially with content you cannot find in many other places if not at all.
@3dgussner958 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks...looks like a good alternative to flex
@karlvella7627 5 жыл бұрын
in my factory from Pp we do yarn. it is a very good material first of all... also the good thing that if you want to make the filament by your self, it is the very basic material to begin work with it.. thanks Karl
@NilesBlackX 4 жыл бұрын
I gotta say, Gearbest's sponsorships are totally up my alley.
@ILoveNeeps 5 жыл бұрын
I've used some Forefront F43 TOUGH PP (black) myself and was super impressed by it's layer adhesion and surface finish, when printed in 0.1mm layer height it's almost as if it's injection moulded. The nice thing about the F43 is that it can be printed at 200C so there's less warping. Also the layer adhesion is really annoying when it comes to supports on large objects/curved surfaces, the supports are borderline impossible to remove. I used it to create some velocity stacks for inside of a motorcycles airbox as it's properties were ideal for the application (They were designed to snap fit into the airbox + good chemical/temperature resistance).
@nigelt6319 5 жыл бұрын
What bed temp did you use? The manufacturer recommends 110C for the first layer and 30C for the second and subsequent layers. Don't know how I could achieve that.
@ILoveNeeps 5 жыл бұрын
I used the 110C initial layer and I think 40C subsequent layers. I managed it with an Ender 3, it took about 20 mins to heat up and I was using a polythene sheet as an enclosure. If your printer is struggling you could try covering the bed with a sheet of cardboard until it reaches temperature.
@CNCKitchen 5 жыл бұрын
If you use packing tape on your bed 50 or 60C is okay, even for the first layer.
@nigelt6319 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks - I'll give top insulation a go. I'll also add a significant brim as the corners were lifting. What I didn't understand was the logic behind lowering the temperature after the first layer as, because of the thermal mass of the bed, the temperature is still going to be well above 30C when the second layer prints.
@PurchenZuPoden 5 жыл бұрын
Great Review!
@projecttraca7430 3 жыл бұрын
Very useful in our projcet work thank you.
@jamesdavis2027 5 жыл бұрын
the isotropic properties are super interesting!!
@asgkllngfxxhkkvxdhkkbhjllnvcg 5 жыл бұрын
Now i want to try it... thanks for making me spend quite a lot of money😁
@Chazahc18 4 жыл бұрын
you wanna try the pp
@TheLandbo 5 жыл бұрын
Tnx for the video. I may have to try that materiale next time I lack some semi-soft material. There is definitely a reason why PP is used for ropes. ;-)
@gaspererjavec7108 5 жыл бұрын
interesting, haven't even heard you can print it. Awesome tip, will try it.
@fra_ja_be 3 жыл бұрын
At first glance I thought the thumbnail was this dude sipping out of a diva cup and I did a wild eyed double take
@cliffordinggs9789 23 күн бұрын
Thanks for this Video Stefan. Model Aircraft Hinges would be an application.
@juliensicot8215 4 жыл бұрын
the form futura centaur pp is a realy good and easy filament. I love it
@ScraggleRoc 5 жыл бұрын
I bet it would work for clothing applications well. Thanks as always great stuff!
@4funrc11 5 жыл бұрын
Hey. Thx. :) Would be good for quick-release / side-release buckles, in a variety of forms. I definitely want some, and hopefully it's available in the USA. Also, getting a 3D pen has been on my list for awhile. ;)
@larvagandor 5 жыл бұрын
Nice information Video. :D Thank you very much.
@Adriana8n87R 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the video!
@danielkrah5129 5 жыл бұрын
Yes Stefan glue is better remove able when hot. As an example: I change the pei sheet on my mk42 heatbeds when they are heated to 110°C. Then normally 99% of the M3 adhesive sticks to the pei sheet and not on the bed. A litte alcohol to clean it and then you are ready to go :D
@jimvas2367 5 жыл бұрын
1:20 LOVE YOUUUUU!!!!!!!!!
@KarelSchmiedberger 5 жыл бұрын
I believe another "secret" advantage is resistance to cold temperatures, as all plastic boxes for low temperature (-40°C to -80°C) storage is made from PP. Only boxes for ultra low temp (-80°C and below) is made from PC. Next video about PC Max please :)
@ronalddhs3726 5 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. I wonder why there not more sellers of this; price wise raw pp is not more expensive than PLA (maybe, turning it into good filament is challenging?); I will try it. Vielen dank.
@ThallesNinja 4 жыл бұрын
You can get raw pp quite cheap if you know which bars to look for.
@luckybenni3914 5 жыл бұрын
Germany based Renkforce has also PP filament in its portfolio at 21 EUR per 750 gramms.
@drdrace 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! How about covering other ubiquitous plastics (thermoplastic codes 1-6), e.g., LDPE, HDPE, etc.?
@cornbreadloverrr 3 жыл бұрын
*OH MY GOD I THOUGH THE THUMBNAIL WAS SOMEONE DRINKING FROM A MENSTRUAL CUP*
@flamepygmy 3 жыл бұрын
Old video, but I came here because I recently discovered this material when searching for light weight filaments. In my hobby (FPV quadcopters) I keep my quads all under 250g, so weight is essential. The current build that I am doing right now will be super tight so trying to shave all the weight from the 3D printed parts (mainly antenna mounts, camera mounts and such). Ordered FormFutura's Pegasus PP Lightweight, which is supposed to have only 0.75g/cc. If I don't have to 'bulk up' the designs a lot, then the savings should be substantial vs. PLA and TPU that I'm using currently.
@9TDF 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a test with Polypropylene as a shell and abs and or petg as the infill/core.
@brewmanchu1 3 жыл бұрын
I am looking at doing this in the near future. Create an outer shell of PP around the actual shape made with cheaper filament.
@victorantoniorodriguezcast8758 2 жыл бұрын
Thank, very much, exellent video.
@timothywong9514 5 жыл бұрын
Good job, very informative video on something I was interested in for a while. You mentioned that the cup print was not watertight and thought of ways to fix it (presumably printing fixes). Do you think PP can be used for airtight prints (a container able to withstand up to 8 bar)?
@gth042 5 жыл бұрын
Any idea how that PP filament cold works compared to PETG or unmodified PP? It might make good insulators, terminal covers, antifriction inserts, or water nozzle parts. All need the material to not flow to readily. Thank you for your work!
@I77AGIC 4 ай бұрын
You left out a big point, it's the lightest filament you can get!
@skaltura 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting! I would want to try to make parts for molding from these, as "investment" parts. ie print hollow, fill with lightweight PU foam and then fiberglass over.
@EspenLodden 5 жыл бұрын
If you wanted to remove the fiberglass from the inside mold it might come in very handy that it doesn't adhere well to other materials.
@radunit4805 4 жыл бұрын
Now that pp is really versatile.
@Harad_nur 3 жыл бұрын
For prints repair or welding i use ts-100 soldering iron - small, usefull, good temperature control. You can try it, or some others soldering irons, that has screen and temp.control.
@Renaissance-fw1ox 2 жыл бұрын
I know what I’m going to try and make a spring out of now
@wivio88 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I have a question tho. Does it warp? I've seen in some places that it needs an enclosure...
@jbalatutube 4 жыл бұрын
Do you think it would make a good material for RC planes and quads or is it too flexible ? How do you glue it together ?
@KarrMcDebt 3 ай бұрын
I am working on printing a crossbow and I'm wondering what material you would reccomend for the bow limbs? I've been using PETG, which works well at first, but doesn't stand up to repeated flex.
@benjamins.335 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man. Thx for reviewing this filament. I am working for a concrete workshop and we are creating molds out of 3D prints (mostly). Have you tested the sanding ability? Is it easy to sand? Would it be easier sanding with water? Cheerio - Ben
@brocoliobama 5 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, need me some Centaur PP
@Kollingl 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice, So is that a good filament for long lasting products? does the sun affects the material for day to day use? looks like the perfect filament i was searching for!
@sergeikuzmin6734 5 жыл бұрын
It was very good, looks incredibly in terms of layer adhesion, thanks! How about PET?
@thePavuk 5 жыл бұрын
have you seen PC/PBT filament?There are very few information about that but it looks absolutely awesome in all ways.
@CodeLeeCarter 5 жыл бұрын
Which do you think is the best filament to use when printing Mods for a printer and which type for printing a Hotend holder?
@reachingout9285 2 жыл бұрын
I print with a .3mm size nozzle on a creality ender 3 at 235C, with a bed at 90C, I have gotten long parts around 20mm tall 50mm long and 25mm wide to be "perfectly" flat with that heat level on the bed, also a brim helps alot, I have to increase flow for that though as the layers separate a little, I find that a flow of 108-110% was good for all layers however if applying a brim upping to 120% for the first layer was necessary and I've played around with extrusion width a little too but have found it to be overkill. Also keeping the silicon sock may help a little. All other settings like 30mm/s for print speed and whatever CNC Kitchen does is what I do as well.
@_Xantras_ 3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe the price is so high. There is so much PP hanging around waiting to be recycled, I'll just buy a filastruder and make my own filament !
@d-os1.883 4 жыл бұрын
I like this filament. Now, we need a way to recycle old pp containers, and this wold turn into a perfect filament.
@anthonyleggio4877 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a comparison between different filaments in their abrasion resistance and friction with common things like asphalt and pavement/concrete.
@magnussorensen2565 4 жыл бұрын
I can think of so many use cases for this in science and chemistry but it would be cool to see if you could use a muli material printer with pp and PLA or carbon insert. This way the stiffnes and perhaps ome of the warping could be midigated.
@T8Videography 3 жыл бұрын
Did you print these in an open print environment or in an enclosed/heated environment? Is the latter necessary to prevent warping on medium sized prints?
@eelcohoogendoorn8044 3 жыл бұрын
Trying out pp for the first time; the packing tape is working a little too well however. No matter how much z-offset I give, or how cold I print the first layer, the tape sticks even better to the print, than the print does to itself. I suppose I just got unlucky with the specific composition of the packing tape I have; but I dont see you having this problem; do you remember which brand that is?
@jacobrollins37 4 жыл бұрын
Great video
@jorgeneo560 5 жыл бұрын
it can be a intresting material for rc airplane/drones due the lightweight
@davey3765 4 жыл бұрын
PP vs Nylon?
@lajoyalobos2009 Жыл бұрын
I have some food containers that need new lids, this would probably be a good material to use.
@ARVash 5 жыл бұрын
Seems like a very good material for a phone case.
@dustanjackie 2 ай бұрын
What do you think about pp with a glass fiber? Toughness and layer adhesion with higher stiffness perhaps? My experience is with short fiber composites is not good. So may not benefit here either. But curious for your thoughts.
@YeeKongChan 5 жыл бұрын
I find PP warps easily. Any tips to avoid warping? I have tried heated bed up to 100 degree with PP tape surface. I am using Prusa i3 mk3 without enclosure. But in the video, there is no enclosure too.
@user-id3nf2sq7r 4 жыл бұрын
By the way you can remove packing tape glue with isopropyl alcohol - it won't damage your ultrabase coating.
@kdahm1 5 жыл бұрын
TY for this video
@procactus9109 5 жыл бұрын
The film hinges are nice.
@lorettabruhns6050 4 жыл бұрын
I also got a spool centaur pp a week ago, but haven't started printing it yet, as I wanted to research a bit beforehand. So, great to find a video about it! Have you used a Bowden or a direct extruder for it? Asking since the material is semi-flexible....
@CNCKitchen 4 жыл бұрын
I printed it very successfully on both. On a bowden, maybe turn down the speed a tiny bit of you run into problems.
@lionxuser 5 жыл бұрын
use it as a hinge for the flaps from rc planes
@dargindarginec9561 2 жыл бұрын
Привет. Как вам удалось напечатать такие тонкие детали из PP без камеры нагрева? Я хоть грел камеру 50-60 градусов цельсиях, но не удается печатать с этим пластиком. Спасибо.
@neilfpv 3 жыл бұрын
I use TPU for my quadcopter parts. Is PP stronger than TPU? I also have a nylon filament and it's also a little elastic. Is PP stronger than nylon?
@Celcius1 5 жыл бұрын
We have developed our own Poly Polypropylene filament that has addressed all the issues raised in this review. Including the bed adhesion
@washingtonrider211 3 жыл бұрын
Does PP have a grippier surface than TPU? In our testing TPU is very hard and slippery so for wheels it’s not a great solution in robotics. At least the 98A prusa stuff isn’t
@masheen_ 5 жыл бұрын
What if you lay painters tape on the bed then put packing tape over that? No clean up?
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