I've owned a Miller Dynasty 200 and Now own an HTP invertig 400. The HTP is by far the better machine. I was needing a bigger machine & more amps. Started saving for a Miller Dynasty 400. At the time the Miller dynsty 400 cool runner kit was 9400.00. Then during Covid Miller raised the price to 14K. So I bought a the HTP 400 complete unit for 7k. Best welder i've ever bought. Peter Zilla stepped up and ready helped me out. Also the 14K miller only goes to 300 amps on 1ph. The HTP 400 goes to 350 amps on 1ph. That's way more Bang for 1/2 the bucks. Same 3 Warranty .

Peter and the people at HTP are great when helping with questions or problems I would definitely buy another one of there machines

The fact Miller doesn’t send a FREAKING PLUG FOR A WELDER MACHINE with a multi thousand dollar machine is enough to make me dog cuss them. Sure a good system can make things easier, but now a days so much comes down to personal preferences….AND WHETHER THEY INCLUDE A DAMN PLUG. Wow.

I appreciate all the practical nitty gritty, and the honest take. Good info with application in mind.

Very comprehensive review. I would have liked to have seen the Primeweld 325x as a "darkhorse" in that fight. It is quite impressive at $1399.00 and Primeweld stands toe to toe with HTP in customer service .

Miller has been sliding downhill for years. I own Miller products and not being biased. Prime Weld has been our go to machine. Prime Weld is far the best because the support from them. In 1981 I purchased a Century tig and it is still in service. I leaned tig on the old style Miller and it did not have all the bells and whistles, but it still is working.

Bought the tig button a year ago....best money spent! Works great on sheet metal and you can forget about that annoying pedal that is always falling over on a level surface, let alone welding in an awkward position inside a car

On the Fronius, DC four step with that torch is the bomb

I went with the 300 Miller proset with the cooler .upgraded from my 250Dx tig runner work horse 3O years old never had to work on it .Replace my torch because lines dried rot.That unit ran every day

Who needs great graphics on a welding machine? I have several welding machine's, like Miller, SAF, Cebora and Jasic. The strange thing is, the Jasic is very cheap (it's the 200 AC/DC), but I use it a heck of a lot more then the others. For 3 years now I use it almost every day, I take it along in my truck and had some beating and falling to endure, and it still lives with no problems what so ever. It has seen all kinds of welding jobs from robot parts to aluminium casting and never let me down. You guys should try it sometime, it costs only about 850 dollars and is delivered with a 26 rigid torch. Off course now I do have a footpedal and a 26 and 9 flex torch with it. Love your shows by the way, keep up the good work!

I'm pretty sure you can switch the button functionality with the Fronius torch, switch start from left to right. You can also use CK torches with an adapter CK sells. If you have a few CK torches they're all usable on a fronius. My friend has an iwave and uses a CK FL230 water cooled torch. Page 108 on the iWave230 manual gives you the info on disabling the up down button.

Maybe fronius torch could be sold left hand or right handed. Or software to swap over the button functions

Ive been waiting for this video for like since it was announced

Love the Unicorn Circuit reference, Is that even legal! Yes Tay, the hot ones are always crazy.......lol. Tay, you are funny af mate

I know the Italians. Make good stuff for example. Lamborghinis Bugattis good tractors and obviously good welders HTP is very good machine. Good job hdp

Very happy with my HTP. Very powerful, reliable and forgiving.

Fronius foot pedal a big plus for aluminum and the CK adapter with a 20 torch ( water cooler) flex head DC stock torch with flex head 4 step controller so you can taper off I’ve got 2 Fronius tigs and 3 of there TPS Mig welders which are awesome machinesand for Miller I’ve got a dynasty 400, ands 280.

this whole evaluation series was really well done. Any chance down the road Lift Arc could do a TIG weld shootout in the $1000-3000 range for us great unwashed types?

I think the best way to compare them, is to use the Same CK torch with all 3. CK do a fronius adapter its been out for years btw. That way your isolating the variables and focusing on the Machine not the Torch and or foot pedal.

i appreciate you doing this and being honest

Haha, The computer OS analogy was perfect. It's exactly what I was thinking while watching. I'm an Apple and Linux guy. Even the Miller blue is like "Azure" = Microsoft. Like Microsoft the Miller devices are way over priced, buggy, bad support and always behind the curve of tech/features that they later copy from other companies. Also, you can get a torch with trigger for the HTP. It has the option built in. Although, I have not tried it and just use the pedal. Good point about being able to walk around the project without dragging the pedal around. I may order the trigger torch and try it out.

First of all, been watching the channel for awhile and y'all have some great, fun content. Y'all need to do a video on the $500-$1,500 TIG welder category. I'm doing stuff in my garage and I'd love to see the difference in struggle on the A/C side of things on something like the Everlast you mentioned vs that Dynasty 200. The amount of footage of all three machines over this video and the last few really helped give me a feel of what they were like to use them, so shout out on that! Tay, I didn't expect you to be a fellow Linux user. Also, I heard some comments in there: you into night vision? You could probably bring some really fun stuff to the channel with that. Enjoy, fellas, thanks for bringing out some great content.

Seriously, you didn’t put the Everlast 256EXT in there? It is way less expensive and an awesome machine.

1:46 i bought a chinesium wp-26 torch and the fitment is better then that, tho i only weld as a hobby so the chinesium torch is enough for me. Also i hacked up a wp-17 torch and a old wp-26 welded the two parts together to make the 17 work with the machine for low amp stuff cause the 17 has a turnable head

as someone who works with fronius machines atm but also have worked with other brands such as kempii and esab and migtronic. the fronius can be a little to setup and learn so to say, but the it is so much better then anything ive used. and that buttons on the handle thatyou can increase or lower your amps is something you get used to quite fast i have to say, had the same problems in the beginning as you but not anymore. and prob should say im a swede and ive never encounterd anyone over here who used miller or even lincoln. so cant speak on thoose. thoe i will say that kempii is a brand you guys should try beacuse they also produce really good machines, but as many of us welders like different things i will say is that its kinda hard for them to make a machine that makes everyone happy.

GREAT insight into some of the best welders on the market! Thanks for investing the time to do this. One question after watching this video and the previous one did when you had the HTP rep explaining about the loss of gas flow with the sight glass flow rate regulator when the tank gets low; I was wondering if you have considered the same scenario being some of the issues with your Everlast machine welding? Miller seems to think they are the "Fluke meter" of the welding world. That comes across as arrogance to me.

Given where tech is and how expensive welders are, it's surprising we don't have small screens on the torches themselves with a small push button knob to adjust Amperage and other relevant quick settings. It could literally fit without even increasing the size of the torch, hahaha. I'm wondering if the Fronius has an app and connecting with Bluetooth allows for functionality like that with your phone.

I have the Fronius too, they have a smaller handle version with different button configurations and flex head. What’s awesome from then torch neck change out feature the front end is interchangeable so you can put furick components on 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼

Tay breaks it down again!! I pick up pointers and ideas with every video! But what is it with his buddies always holding a cup of something?

Miller has priced their way into marketing oblivion. I refuse to pay a premium for the name, not when there's better alternatives at a better price.

Thanks for the great video! I have that HTP and love it. It does come with the exact Heavy Hitter torch. Quick question, where did you get that leather bean bag arm rest or did you make it?

I am sure you know this but furonius has other torch mounted control modules. I want to say they are around $150 and might fix the issues you had.

Do another review with some other tig welders , arc captain, prime weld, everlast etc etc

I love this channel, Some great info and insight.

You've gotta be either Krazy? Or just have no idea on who is Fronius to even dare compare any Miller with Fronius? YO YOU KRAZY DAWG

I just bought an Everlast with AC-DC mix setting. Came with a water cooled 18 series torch and a switch as well as foot pedal. 🤷‍♂️

Yeah I'm just gonna stick with my primeweld tig225x for 800. Oh it also comes with a CK17 flex head and a foot pedal :D

I am looking for the Cheat Sheet by Ethan La(????) (I couldn't catch the last name). The sheet is being talked about at 44:07. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

If you take the 300 amp version of Fronius and add a few accessories you will reach the 10.000 $ pretty easily.

If you get a chance, watch Chris Razor welding aluminum engine blocks and heads using a Dynasty 300 at 400 hertz.

My Amazon Azzuno Under 300 inverter turd came with more accessories than a 10 K Miller.. That's kind of lame when you think about it.. Great comparison.. Thanks for the video

I know you've had a poor experience with your Everlast 210ext which is a bummer but no way I'd look at purchasing a Miller now, days. They've lost their mind with their pricing. I learned how to weld on a Miller in welding school but I couldn't justify purchasing of their machines. I have a few Everlast tig machines and they all work great. Maybe reach out to them and see if they'll lone you their Typhoon 230. That machine is crispy! And it comes with their nova torch and pedal kit. The torch is a roto flex head which I think is way nicer than a flex head.

Esab makes a very nice tig welder

Please show closeups on the welds. I want to see what you're talking about👍

I'm curious about Lift Arc being TM - A have learned recently that you can't TM a regular word that's spelled correctly which is why it's always stuff like "No Doze"

They keep mentioning that Tay is Left Handed, so the Fronius is less cumbersome for him. I've been Tig welding for about 25 Years, and I'm Ambidextrous, [I'm a fabricator like you guys] and I continually weld with both hands on Most of my jobs, I have been doing 1 1/2" Aluminium Pipe 1/8" wall Coped joints, some 90 Deg. some at 45 Deg. I Hate hand controls because I hold the Torch 12 Different ways and Keep swapping hands, and radiusing around the pipe, so I use a Foot control, all the time. I pulled the grip off and the Trigger switch, and went to a Plain round handle, and always use my modified Foot control, No distractions from what you are doing. The Miller was Very expensive, considering you don't get a Foot control or Torch with it, the Fronius by the look of it was "Chalk and Cheese" in comparison. The HTP is more like the Everlast you used to use, so Feels "Normal" to you, and has a really good Manual.

When putting the torch together, it has “O” rings on it-Right ? I suggest licking your finger to wet them and not just push harder. This will make the 2 parts slide together easier. You don’t have to over do it either Thanks for the input Guys back at me about the HTP…..

I have a dynasty. What is not in this video is a lincoln aspect. Lincoln has the auto set for aluminum which anyone worth their salt can do 90 percent of all aluminum welding with. If you have the time or the unlimited budget to pay your welders to play around with all the fiddle faddle more power to you

I’ve got a fronius 230i and it does a fantastic job of increasing my less then average welding skills to appear like i’m a pro😂

Absolutely should have put the Primeweld 325x up against these.

Good Video. 😀

Yes miller should include CK WORLDWIDE TORCHES with these very expensive welders even big companies should challenge them or they are going to have to lay off most of THIER employees in the futrue

I was an industrial pipe welder with and now I teach welding at a community college. I used only miller machines for pipe and we have red and blue. I’ll tell you one thing miller or Lincoln don’t “put” any machines in schools. We paid for 10 water cooled 280 Miller dynasties and 15 Lincoln multi process machines. we got a discount from our local Miller distributor but they still cost $16,000 apiece and that was before the price jump. We got the cordless pedals and the whole shabang but I still think the price is crazy

2:13:00 I don't want to be rude but do your homework. By all means, you will get adapters for the ck standard ($110) for Apple 🤣 (Fronius) . And I made one at home using modifications to the DINS 50 connector (you need to drill and add a gas pipe and an O-ring, total cost $7 🤣). To control it using regular buttons, you only need to buy a plug (without any electronics) for the machine and use any buttons on the torch. If we are talking about the original Fronius handle, the functions of the triggers can be swapped L/R. There are over 30 options for replacement welding torch tips (flexible ones too). But I switched to standard, lighter and cheaper handles. 😁

shoulda thrown a primeweld in the mix.

Buying welder for 10k and doesn't comes with Everything nor work better than a cheap Chinese made welder is ridiculous. Everything that is made by American companies is extremely overpriced, and it is not better.

first off the fundamentals on your ac (and DC/ Tig in general) need some work/changes. But anyway, just Fronius AC talk, this machine is extremely finiky when it comes to basicly everything AC. Tungsten type, very small adjustments in Balance settings make a massive difference on this machine (but not like the normal good/great kind of adjustment, but like bad/great. not much in between) and for basicly each individual pieces thickness, 6061 vs 5052 etc. being the 2 major specifics. also gas flow cfh needs to be measured at torch head only. something about the gas through torch setup or through regulation in machine always puts out much lower at the torch than a tank reg. Then yes prep and cleanliness makes tig welds as always. No different here. Here is a setting you can go off of or play with. buttery wet dimes on .125" outside corner (or lap w/ +8-10amps) 6061 or 5052 (water stains also kill arc on this machine bad) stainless brushed or filed edges (one way only, no back and forth on edge) and cleaned w/ acitone and lint free towells. Tungsten type is 3/32 .8% Zircoinated (best arc for AC on this machine by far) Filler is 3/32 5356 torch--- #9 water cooled w/ #9 furick gas lens, furick #8 cup, appx 1/4" of stick out (top of cup to point) only medium or smaller back caps for AC with this machine also. 100% Argon------ 15cfh at the torch cup. 1/2 sec pre flow, 5 sec or so post AMPS--- 118-123 Balance 25-30 for nice new clean aluminum or with double side plastic peel (I start at 25 usually) frequency-- 120hrz foot pedal is a must wave + is soft rectangle wave - is either soft rectangle or sinus for a slightly more defined dome curve to bead no pulse slowwww ramp up amperage to a nice shiney wet pool before starting to add filler. dont rush the initial cleaning action. there is a million more things to AC than this but hope it gives a little info to start. ASLO it is not true that the Fronius can only use their torch. CK makes a dinse connector for all their normal CK water or air cooled torches. I use the the CK flex Loc 230 torch with my Fronius 230i

Come on ...let's see you guys do some laser welding!

Man this welding profession looks more complex all the time. When will you be welding those fancy rocket engines together?

God I miss Giles Co. / New River Valley Few things wrong with video. Not really a true comparison. This not that-that not this-more time on this, not that. Great info never the less Really liking the ideal of HTP. The little red is complicated, just going by video. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I want a good/great aluminum Gal all for myself and ready to buy

Seems like the majority of the video was on the $10k Miller, with little to no video on the HTP, not sure how this was a comparison.

I want the cheat sheet

You guys need a wireless pedal and a tigcontol button from Dave Vogel.

Hi guys,thanks for the video, but you are not fair- Fronius does have a lot of settings (wave forms, amplitude,pulse). Fronis has a flex head torch, and for different works it is very convenient to attach a prepared head for a specific work (ss,aluminum) without extra preparations. In addition to that, you can get a ck torch with an adapter.All machines are good, but Miller is overpriced

I love my Iwave 230 its the best... and comes with all the shit when you first buy it! I also highly recommend their Bluetooth foot petal with the hook and I put a ck20 flex head torch setup! Best there is!

ARC CAPTAIN is getting great reviews. It's only around $500.

Is there a downside to using a magnetic ground puck?

Miller sells a badass machine but assumes the shop is professional grade and already has the other gear the welder prefers. The other lower cost machines are probably fine for tiny shop or home/farm use.

Try kemppi if You have luck

Yep

Seems to me, if you dont like the Fronius, its because you dont know how to use it, premium manufacturers like Audi use them, that says it all.

It was a bit long a video & could have been edited down to around 35 minutes, but great effort none the less.

I'm totally an HTP fanboy, BUT to be fair, why isn't OTC Daihen represented here? I'll take OTC over miller any day. I've never used a Fronius, so I can't speak on them.

1:23:00 As for the trigger, I really like the option of adjusting the amperage while welding, but I always use 4T and I'm a bit surprised that you only use 2T if you don't have a pedal available, because the options of holding the trigger in 4T provide many more possibilities. And this trigger works in both directions (additional options) in 4T mode. As for the Fronius itself, there are two cables, a current one and a control one, the gas goes through a separate hose, and the control cables are thin, which is another thin cable. It can be connected to the control socket without any electronics and have 4 functions: start1, start 2 and up/down. In my case, I easily made a Fronius gas-current connector (it's child's play on a drill press 😁 ) and I use the torch I want :D Fronius also has a built-in cooler control function 😅, but you have to buy their ridiculously expensive equipment 🤬🤬🤬 . But the pedal is worth every cent. 😎

If I am going to spend 2:34:06 with you guys, I want to get paid for my time. I want to make at least $2.50 an hour like Walker. Great comparison/shootout but I'm going to have to plan the time to watch it. I think this is the longest episode I have seen on YT. I think maybe this comparison should have been a series, not just two parts. Over two hours? Please, some of us have a life! (of course I am kidding, I have no life)

Stick out dude

Welders shouldn’t have screens, menus, software updates, or any other crap. They should have knobs and/or switches for each function. It’s a damn welding machine, it is gojng to get the crap beat out of it and it’s gojng to live in an extremely dirty environment. None of these machines are going to hold up for long in the real world. We have the Mulitquip whisper weld machines at work and they have held up extremely especially well considering the abuse they get. Hell the one of them survived getting dropped from a crane. It looks like a car that hit a concrete wall at 100mph but it still works fine!

love it

no ewm and no kemppi ,, they would be big hitters in europe

No green machine 🤷‍♂

I thought for SURE the HTP was going to win the shootout. I'm a little bummed now 😢

When all else fails… Read the instructions. - Murphy

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I don't want to spend six to $4,000 more just for the name brand

Hello All👋

I got to use a Fronius transteel, cant remember the model with stick. Fuckin dope welder. We had a robot with the CMT system from fronius that shit was godly in what it could do. We had a kuka tech run a pin board with different tip forms from balls to points to flat. all from just the wire and different lengths too. it was mind boggling

Go htc

1st comment 1st time. 😅

Mine paid for itself the first month MILLER dynasty amazing

I'm so done with Miller out isn't even funny. I've had to fix so much on my dynasty it's absurd. Igbts, high voltage start section, etc. I'm done..

Too much time spent about "nothing".

Never buy Everlast complete garbage

Miller is going to price them selves out of business they act like they are selling you the best caviar most likely they will also be made in China and I hate saying this I own a miller trailblazer 325 diesel and two miller mastic the 215 and the 220 I bought the HTP 251 BACK IN DECEMBER 2023 AND I OWN A PRIMEWELD 225x and if I would have known about the HTP OR THE PRIME WELD I DONT THINK I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE MILLERMATIC 220 OR THE 215