Vehicle came in as a hard start / no start symptom, the cam index was running 13° retarded, a quick grind to the body of the distributor to allow for adjustment and after setting the index to 0° it now starts just fine.
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@chriswatereddownbbq83412 жыл бұрын
I saw a lot of videos on ways to do this. I’m glad you explained why it’s doing that.
@rharkness04 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Very informative. Just to let you know, for around $9 you can get a distributor hold down clamp for a small block chevy. It's rounded but fits the 4.3 distributor. It allows you to turn the distributor without having to do any grinding.
@dekaidout2 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree. I have the same motor. Timing issues. Its a lot of work trying to learn and figure our everything by yourself. Tgf youtube and all whom share information. Man its a real game changer.
@carns1987mc Жыл бұрын
Thank you for that before I watch your video I knew that 4.3 needed a distributor I just put in a brand new engine in the shop. Timing was set everything was set right and it will not start it tries to but it won't because the tooth off. I'm going to get new distributor and maybe go MSG distributor but thank you for confirming my problem. God bless
@carns1987mc Жыл бұрын
And yes a new coil pack. Back in the day it was a spark of register
@were5625 ай бұрын
just had to try and figure out why the coil on my customers food truck was arcing to the coil no matter what i did, new cap plugs and rotor on top of the rat issues in the engine bay i thought i was losing my touch or going insane. I didn't even think about this. thank you.
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
He makes a good point ! My 91 chevy dist was round , 96 is when they started that square body crap ,
@paulheironimus44475 ай бұрын
great insight. makes perfect since
@stephenmarks26762 жыл бұрын
My cap and button was new I looked at it and the sides are burnt , of the pins in the cap and the button has scorched marks on it , thank you for the video
@markschmalenberger8301 Жыл бұрын
My 4.3 in the 96 Astro van started having ignition problems at around 150,000 miles. Having replaced cap& rotor regularly it has gotten worse until 225,000 it finally dawned on me that timing chain wear has retarded rotor position phase at firing time. Since the distributor has never been moved since it left the factory I scribed the position of the dis body to manifold no# 1 rotor mark then turned distributor advanced as much of the observed slack movement back & forth at the crank. I guess I'll be replacing the timing chain some time in the future. The scribe mark keeps the original placement. Your video is the only one I've seen explaining what I had suspected.
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
Chain stretch is only one of the factors, what I actually see the most is gear wear on the distributor.
@markschmalenberger8301 Жыл бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 i haven't seen a trouble code or check engine light defining this but the trend of unexplained cold starts when damp and random misfires at idle when at temperature has become more regular the only logical reason has emerged as chain wear pas150,000 to200,000 miles.
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
@@markschmalenberger8301 might check the coil for a halo on the side, the wide gap inside the cap will strain the coil till it jumps out the side, that’s why it gets worse when damp. I check that with a spray bottle, spray it down while running and see if it arcs or misses under load.
@markschmalenberger8301 Жыл бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 ive had the coil out and it checks out fine, even grabbed it while running could hear arcing but wasn't at the coil. The sound was coming from the distributor. Ireplaced the ICM. but only because it burnt out 2 years ago. So far I've had this van 20 years& had very few problems . It's the only vehicle I've never fixed anything that wasn't broken.
@jakelovelace3200 Жыл бұрын
@@markschmalenberger8301 did you ever figure it out? I’ve spent a year trying to figure this same problem out, replaced everything with new top quality components within the ignition system , runs perfect all the time but as soon as it’s humid or raining it acts like it wants to blow up. I’ve looked everywhere for an answer, spent hours spray bottling everything with voltage throughout the entire van, and nothing works. Same problem still.
@cartoonist1975 Жыл бұрын
yeah , them obd2 trucks i tell ya and keep the little vent circles clear of debris too. them caps will store moisture .
@billdevany3303 Жыл бұрын
thanks, you answered a big question for me. I'm old school and was trying to to find out how to do the ignition timing, I mean when the spark fires! where is the tdc timing mark! damn, been out of the business for to long...
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
Had to discover that myself…before we even had internet. Lol
@gman374711 ай бұрын
Just to add I have found a couple distributors for the 4.3 that are actually refurbished and sometimes the reluctor wheel is off slightly which can also cause these issues. line em up and compare your old one to the new one with the rotor off so you can see the square hole where the cam sensor makes its signal . If new one is off id send it or bring it back with your old one and show the parts place their crap and demand a properly refurbished Distributor and match it up right there before taking it home and getting frustrated or having to customize . Stupid GM , one viewer here was on the spot about keeping gm mechanics busy , what a rouse these manufacturers are today un believable. But great vid as i never thought of the chain stretching also with mine at 189000 it idles at round 800 and keeps throwing misfire codes. Plugged #1 with a stress ball and cranked it till i just heard the last bit of air squeeze out and stopped . yup still an inch or so to line up marks but said impossible and went with that think all is good now just have to clear codes and viola. Wellfor my case anywho.
@user-fb5yb2bo5i11 ай бұрын
Would a bad timing cause a misfire in only cylinder one. My scanner says spark advance timing positive 20°. Which way would I have to rotate it to get it to 0°?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur438711 ай бұрын
There’s a difference between timing and cam index, make sure you’re looking at the right one, it’s doubtful it’ll cause a single cylinder misfire.
@brianjuares3186 Жыл бұрын
I have 2002 s10 4.3 4wd thought I would do timing which turned into balance shaft gears which turned into oil pan gasket after installing all that I’ve diagnosed a bad dizzy installed new one now I can’t start the truck ,after timing job it would start up rough idle die at a stop misfire over 50mph . Abut tips on what I should do
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
Are you sure you have it timed right? They're easy to get a tooth off or more.
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
When u indexing the computer should u start it first with the pointer at number 8 and tdc compression stroke or if u already know its minus 8 , move it first before starting ? Thx
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43876 ай бұрын
I usually mark the body and put it back where it was and adjust from there, if it’s been moved I rotate the engine to #1 TDC and point it there.
@ADDvanced6 ай бұрын
Is there a way to get rid of the distributor? Like have a digital distributor? Anything other than coil on plug/LS style?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43876 ай бұрын
I’m sure there’s a way, but I’ve never heard of it. This system is actually digital as far as how it determines when to spark, it just has the old analog way of sending it through the cap and wires.
@route594828 күн бұрын
The distributor also turns the oil pump at the bottom, so no it will not work.
@ortizortiz5182 ай бұрын
I did the lower intake job , and put everything back together , I connected all the hoses and electrical , I put the distributor in and now when I start it it will not start , do you know why it’s not starting ?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43872 ай бұрын
I’ll guess it’s out of time
@ManuelMartinez-kz5fh10 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.
@snooterdavid19697 ай бұрын
Will the vortec 5.7 distributor with 4.3 cap work to move distributor?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43877 ай бұрын
No, the sensor inside will be different
@rareform6747 Жыл бұрын
There's also the Ignition Module ? My computer and new Distributor had to learn . 4.3 Still has issues climbing up a hill wires plugs and the damn thing ?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
Was the cam index set after installing the new distributor?
@rareform6747 Жыл бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Will get back .
@lucaswilliams5602 Жыл бұрын
I am having issues with a 2000 Astro van. I’m getting P1345 code. I think it is detonating/knocking from a timing issue. New distributor helped but not sure if everything is right. Anyway I can message you for some help?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
That is a cam/crank correlation code, needs to be hooked to a computer and have it reset.
@noflo81393 ай бұрын
What would it feel like when driving if it was jumping a gap like that?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43873 ай бұрын
It usually doesn’t present as a drivability problem, it might give trouble starting and will cause the coil to go bad.
@natty2810 Жыл бұрын
Thanks bro..
@richardjohnson43732 жыл бұрын
My GMC Sonoma blew the gasket between the head and the intake. We had it starting and running from out side the vehicle. The truck only has 95 thousand miles so chain wear is minimal. We took off the intake and fixed the bad intake gaskets. It turns over but can not get it started. The center shaft of the distributor moves up and down should I go get another one? Pluss after you put some twist back into the distributor how do you set the timing just like old days just turn till it idols smooth?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43872 жыл бұрын
Check to see how many degrees the rotor rotates while installed, should be almost none including climb, the way you set it after installing is with a computer that has live data, it’s called cam index and should be 0 with rpm about 1000
@richardjohnson43732 жыл бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Oh outside the vehicle the gear and center shaft have Id say about a 16th of a inch of play up and down. Why does the oil pump drive keep getting off when I pull the distributor?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43872 жыл бұрын
@@richardjohnson4373 that’s pretty excessive play, when you pull the fist up it rotates the pump drive slightly so they like to get off
@richardjohnson43732 жыл бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Thank you sir it is off to the parts house. With the distributor down on the manifold I should point at the six and the crank at TDC compression stroke with harmonic balancer in-between the two fingers on the block correct?? Do you have a way for.me.to offer you a donation for your help? Pay pal maybe?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43872 жыл бұрын
@@richardjohnson4373 I honestly don’t know which way it needs to point, I usually just put them back where they were if it hasn’t been rotated, if it has I got for tdc and point to #1, as far as donating all I ask is to share the channel around.
@rodolfohernandez62742 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem mine says -14
@tobysmith87277 ай бұрын
I'm having running issues with mine, 1995 gmc jimmy 4.3. I do believe that when I got a new distributor, it was not properly timed. Because it's not running correctly.
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43877 ай бұрын
Make sure you don’t have a hole in the coil, if it’s worse when humidity is high or it’s raining I would check that.
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387gotta unplug est wire on 95 s when timing as well
@poprockshredman494 Жыл бұрын
Absofriggenlutely, the 4.3's been around for a long time- torque up the wazoo- most of the time I think i'm driving v-8 - till 80 or so - but there are some design fukes like this that darn sure should have been fixed. I have never had to change a chain in one either - I thoght about making the distributor like every other distributered vehicle in the world, but figured there must be a reason - figured right- It keeps GM Service guys busy - I'm out the door to buy some grinder wheels. Thanks - liked and subscribed
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@justmyopinion52343 жыл бұрын
Cant you elongate the hole the bolt goes through
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43873 жыл бұрын
Yes but that won't give you very much adjustment
@chriswatereddownbbq83412 жыл бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 how do you feel about flipping the gear 180 after knocking the pin out? I’ve seen multiple people say this works. I don’t have a grinder🥲
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43872 жыл бұрын
I've never tried that, I always just added adjustment...I did one at the home shop with just a file and was able to get plenty of adjustment.
@CanIgetAnAmen2 жыл бұрын
So should I just change the distributor 02 4.3 w 240k
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43872 жыл бұрын
Depends on whether it's off due to gear wear or timing chain stretch.
@CanIgetAnAmen2 жыл бұрын
Well I tried a different one and it didn’t fix it , thought I’d share the info
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43872 жыл бұрын
Not sure what your original issue was but I’ll let you know that I’ve had those flat caps cross fire at times, even brand new ones.
@kellismith43292 жыл бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 how would you verify chain stretch, would you have to actually remove the timing cover to inspect ?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43872 жыл бұрын
@@kellismith4329 no, just have to have the distributor out so you can see the cam. Rotate the crank back and forth till the cam moves, I’m sure there’s a degree measurement somewhere but it’s really just a judgment call.
@route594828 күн бұрын
Another KZfaqr cut a slot in the hold down fork to the bolt hole and used an old distributor cap with a hole cut in the top to visually adjust the spark with the motor running.
@First-dl5ylАй бұрын
What are the symptoms when this is the problem
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387Ай бұрын
Occasional hard start/extended crank time but normally they just burn the coil up…when they get real bad they might set a cam/crank correlation code.
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
Im gonna grind my clamp and hold down deal , thanks for this video ive been having alotta pobs with my 96 k1500, , , im on my fifth crank sensor and cant understand why it keeps goin out , , -8 at idle rev up it climbs to minus 24
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43876 ай бұрын
I don’t think the crank sensor going out is related, been having a ton of parts failures in many brands lately
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43876 ай бұрын
Just to be clear, the index is not the same as the timing, it’s the dwell between the crank and cam sensors.
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
On my sixth sensor , they last no more than a week ,@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
They say there sensitive , maybe reluctor wheel has run out , idk but I ain't putting in this one till I figure out why , love ur video man , helped me fo sure
@wwboydsr5 ай бұрын
I have a 96 5.7 with a new timing set and a new distributor it’s installed correctly, it’s 17* retarded when you rev it up to 1000 rpm the timing won’t change when you rotate the distributor… any ideas
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43875 ай бұрын
Are you checking with a timing light or a scan tool, the cam index is different than timing, it’s basically the dwell between the can and crank sensor. Some of those require a relearn on the cam/crank sync.
@wwboydsr5 ай бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 I’m using a scan tool
@draketheman755 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video my timing was 5' retarded i grind some metal off the holdown clamp braket and was able to adjust it to o'
@isrealharris34332 жыл бұрын
Man am in jamaica my 95 silverado v6 just wont idle.
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43872 жыл бұрын
If it won’t idle down check the gasket under the throttle body (if it’s a TBI)
@ceetee4016 Жыл бұрын
correlation nightmares
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
U cant get 15 degrees of adjustment , i have - 8 degrees at idle , but your suppose to time it at idle ,, most u can get on my 96 k1500 is 6 degrees , im open for advise , thx
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43876 ай бұрын
It’s supposed to be indexed to 0°, and it has to be above 1000rpm for the computer to read the index. I usually move it and then rev a bit to check it.
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 so u have to rev it like setting cam retard ? Than move a little at a time ?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur43876 ай бұрын
I regularly take out 10° of timing or more
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
@@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387I can't understand why I keep blowing crank sensors , maybe cuz it's retarded so much and coil doin what u said ,, have no shorts , alternator is new , , frustrating as hec , ,
@user-bx4wf9pz2y6 ай бұрын
I am at - 8 on my Innova 5610 than it climbs to - 21 , , I just put it in tdc and it points to 8 arrow , should I start it first than move it or move it 8 degrees advance now , than start it ? @@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387
@joneastman5627 Жыл бұрын
So can I bring my 2005 chevy silverado 4.3 to you ,got the same problem.
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
Depends on your location. Lol
@lavayou17143 күн бұрын
4:38 to 5:15 is where the onion is
@timeless6964 Жыл бұрын
I Cannot Believe, that Chevy Has Made a Plastic Distributor!!!!......What a POS!!!
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
Almost everything made now has plastic components.
@walterjas1 Жыл бұрын
1997 Chevy Astro van with 4.3 rotor to distributor gap was way off when new , spark erosion on brass poles was only on one side . Around 80,000 miles due to wear in the engine , when you increased engine RPM it would cross fire , because the computer would advance the timing , I customized the hold down clamp so the distributer would rotate 10 to 15 degrees , fixed the problem that was back in 2000. Never bought another American car !
@breezentheosescapades8769 Жыл бұрын
Do you have a video of grinding the distributor down
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
No I don’t, next time I have one in I’ll shoot another video, this was when I was still relatively new to KZfaq
@breezentheosescapades8769 Жыл бұрын
Tysm for the response. Wow. You're amazing. If I'm standing in front of the car looking at the engine under the hood, which way would 15 degrees be left or right?
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
@@breezentheosescapades8769 15 degrees advance should be left, counterclockwise I believe
@breezentheosescapades8769 Жыл бұрын
OK I think I'm going to attempt this on a 4.3 from an 1989 s10 ext cab, before ls swap it. I'll let you know if it works.
@bulldogsautomotiveadventur4387 Жыл бұрын
This only works on the flat cap distributors, those old ones were adjustable