thank you for all of your fatigue.

So you're a Protestant who's tired of arguing with fellow Protestants? That's like the blind leading the blind.

There are Catholics who worship saints but to say that that is Catholicism is wrong

@@junacebedo888 So is Catholicism wrong?

@@brutus896 no that’s not what he said

@YAJUN YUAN Of course there hasn't been any doctrinal development in the Protestant Church, because whenever there's a disagreement, they just keep splitting apart. That's why there are "40,000 denominations".

@YAJUN YUAN None of the Protestant CARICATURES were ever true.

@YAJUN YUAN You need to read the Early Church father's Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna. They were ordained by the Apostle Peter or John and friends of the disciplies. True Christians and a great read it will change your life if your heart is truly open to God.

@YAJUN YUAN 40,000 denominations, or 4 denominations. Whatever. The division in the Body of Christ is a scandal. We pray that the Holy Spirit will bring about the Unity of Faith between the Catholic-Orthodox-Protestant Churches, that the heartfelt prayer of Jesus Christ be fulfilled "That they may be one, Father, as You and I are One." John 17;21. In the meantime, YY, perhaps you should look into why the different Protestant denominations contradict each other, despite claiming that the Bible is their sole rule of faith.

@YAJUN YUAN " You claim Mary is above all things visible and invisible, just because you don't think is God doesn't mean you give her "idolistic-like" exaltation" I absolutely never claimed any such thing. By grace, and not by nature, it is a common theological opinion, East and West, that Mary is above the angels, due to her special role in salvation history, but she is a creature nonetheless. By nature, angels are lightyears above Mary, and remain to be so. Grace enhances nature, it doesn't replace it.

Agreed. Here they are: 01:30 #4: The necessity of the Immaculate Conception 06:39 #3: Praying TO Saints 11:23 #2: Faith + Works? 16:57 #1: Denomination Count If you want to share a video at a particular timestamp on social media, just right-click on the video and choose "Copy video URL at current time"

Thanks! This was a helpful recommendation and I've just added them. I'll be sure to do this for future videos.

@@TheCounselofTrent I use the the phrase “petition the saints to join me in prayer to God.”. “Prayer petitions” is a common evangelical phrase that is similar to “prayer requests”. Most Protestants will understand what is meant by “petition” and pointing to the fact we are praying to God together will help them to understand what is actually happening and they will know the true source of all grace is considered to be God according to the Catholic Church.

@1woksape LOL 😆

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That's so good to hear! I'm a Catholic myself. Trent is the best 👌

@@tony1685 maybe if you check out his other videos, you'll change your mind 🙃

@@tony1685 collossians 2:16-17

Protestant here too and Trent is a gem and shows godly character.

@@tony1685 could you give an example? I’m Not being sarcastic btw

Presumably the court that you’re addressing is currently not dead?

Presumably neither are the Saints dead since Christ himself said that He is the God of the Living.

@@joshuacrosby8176the communion of saints are more alive than we are since they are in heaven.

To pray means “to beg”, even in Latin (orāre)

Baptiste don't offer a Mass, they hold services.

Baptist's don't have mass. There's something fishy 🐠 about your comment.

@@kelle0285 You're right. They call it service (or Cult in my country) not mass. Thank you for the correction

The Mass is known as the Eucharist belief in the real presence under the appearance of Bread and wine .Does the person who refers Baptists inviting anyone to their mass suggests the person himself doesn't know what the Mass is.!!!!

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How’s it going?

We will welcome you home.

Welcome little brother/sister!!

Young one, please DON'T! Psalm 115:4-8 Jeremiah 7:8-10, 18-19; 44:3-5; Matthew 16:6-12 Mark 8:15 Romans 10:2-3 Ephesians 2:8-9 Titus 3:5 I Timothy 2:5 Revelation 21:8

@@ramoth777 As a Catholic, some of these are my favorite verses. You'd have to try better. Psalm 115 is a classic, it has been sung in Catholic Churches and in the field of battle since time immemorial. Non nobis, Domine, sed nomine tuo da gloriam.

Well i think it is same in the nature since to not die in mortal sin requires repentance. Different approach same goal.

@YAJUN YUAN Is there a Bible passage you're trying to refer to here, or is this another excerpt from the Epistle of YAJUN YUAN?

Absolutely agreed. It makes it sound like it’s a zero sum game or an impersonal math equation

@YAJUN YUAN who said it is permanent as in your sense? The grace provided will forever be available, but human can let it go thats why salvation can be lost. Someone enters the state of mortal sin by committing the sins and not repent. Not a rocket science.

@YAJUN YUAN yes. A single sin. Thats why u better understand what mortal sin is. It is not about a mere single act, but an absolute conscience to do a major, grave wrongdoing, YET CHOOSE NOT TO REPENT. What is required for repentance? If you are capable enough to walk yoruself to the room of confession, DO IT. What if not? Well if you are really sorry, why so bothered not to go there? Isnt personal confession enough? "MAYBE", But why would gamble while THE SACRAMENT HAS GUARANTEE ON THAT? The catholic concept ISNT SCRUPULOUS. Salvation is indeed about the relationship with God. About love. But, if the love betrayed on your behalf, and u dont grow guilt on that betrayal, it is a no. We cant just stop on losing friendship with God, WITHOUT KNOWING WHY? Thats how mortal sin comes to fit the explanation! Protestants concept on the other hand is vague and unclear. Calvinism even argues that nobody can lose salvation at all. Lutheran said can, but at the same time said, even a murderer that believe jesus will not go to hell. What a contradictory! Lmao!

Exactly. Language is an immense factor in theology. Phrases that sound natural to me in Arabic or Syriac liturgies honestly can sound very robotic and bizarre in English, even if technically the meaning is the 'same'

As a german, I know exactly what you are talking about😂. We all should look further, as we say: "Über den Tellerrand" , means " further than the rim of the plate" Have a good day!

But is there not multiple Catholic Churches? I'm pretty sure there's more than 2 in my city alone. Seems to go against what Christ said when he established one church.

@@benjaminread5287 The church is the idea not the physical buildings my friend lol. The church has to do with the traditions that come along with it.

@@ricardocineus3799 actually the Romam Catholic idea of what the Church is is an institution, not an idea. It is the Protestants who believe that the Church is an idea, namely a collection of all believers. But yes idk what I was on about there, I was perhaps a bit confused back then, idk.

Interesting argument Sir. In the book of Tobit we read that the Archangel Raphael did not only was before God interceding for Tobit and Tobias (just asking God for us) but Raphael actually helped them by accompanying Tobias in his travel, being with him, fighting a demon, among other things. When we ask a friend here on earth for some help, our friend helps us within his or her capacity, and I believe when a holy friend dies, such friend can continue to help us in his new glorious status. Of course, we know that it is God who provides and all honor and glory goes to Him, He is the One who sustains all things, but the Saints also do things and can help us within their own capacity given to them by God.

Great comment. I think the real issue is that we believe in the communion of saints and the three arms of the Church, the Church Militant (us here on earth), the Church Suffering (those in Purgutory) and the Church Triumphant ( those in heaven). We believe we are all connected through the Church which is the Body of Christ, and therefore never stop loving and assisting one another.

@YAJUN YUAN This would be a long response but in short i say the following: Raphael said: "I am Azariah, the son of Hananiah the great" - (Tobit 5). Did Raphael lie? No. He used mental reservation. Mental reservation is moral if the intention and the circumstance are moral as well. Actually, Raphael is not his (initial) name either. Angels were created before humanity, and before any human language. They must have some way of referring to one another, but it is not by a spoken word, since they have no bodies. An Angelic name is not a pronounceable or writable word. And so Angels are conveniently referred to by some other name, or by various names. This Angel (Archangel in range) is called Raphael (God heals) because of his role. He is also called Azariah (God's help), also because of his role. Both are Hebrew names. The mental reservation goes with the truth that goes with the meaning of such names: "I am Azariah, the son of Hananiah the great." "I am God's help, the son of God is gracious, the great."

@YAJUN YUAN - "one of your own relatives" may be a lost in translation issue. Another Bible translates "relatives" as "brothers" and "brothers" for the Israelites at the time not only mean blood brothers but can also mean close relatives or good close friends as Jesus (who is God) said: "Go tell my brothers" referring to His Apostles in Matthew 28:10. Furthermore, the Vulgate translates simply "ego sum Azarias Ananiæ magni filius" which the Douay-Rheims translates as "I am Azarias the son of the great Ananias", with the deeper meaning as stated above, Raphael is saying that he is "Yahweh' s help" son of "Yahweh is gracious (or merciful), the great". Mental reservation is stating a truth without all the details that another person does not need to know (at a specific time). Mental reservation is not intrinsically evil but is only moral if the intentions and the circumstances are also moral. If a person uses mental reservation with bad intentions, then the act is immoral. Example of a good use of mental reservation: in John 7 we read that Jesus was asked by His "relatives" or "brothers" to go to the Festival of the Tabernacles and He responded "My time is not yet come; but your time is always ready.......I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come”. People thought that He was not going at all, but He actually went after His disciples went. He went secretly. So when He said, "My time is not yet come" He meant that He was not going at that particular time (this is the truth), but some time later. In John 2 we read that when Jesus was in the temple, He said " destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”, but then the Bible clarifies to us that He was talking about His Body". The truth is that His body is also a Temple. Regarding Michael, no, Michael is not Jesus. Jesus is God, Michael is a creature. When I said that Angels have no bodies, I meant no physical bodies (my bad for not clarifying that) for angels are pure spiritual creatures. Now, Angels can 'appear" to have physical bodies, or 'appear' to have fleshy forms as Raphael did in this story (and even appear to eat, as in Genesis 18:8), but that's just one of their great preternatural abilities for they are not naturally with physical bodies like us. And like I said above, they have their own form of communication with each other, but is different that us that use our physical bodies.

I simply ask saints to pray for me. I include relatives in that group. This is much more simple and to the point. They prefer that.

You need to teach them first that praying does not always refer to worship. Once they see that then you can explain what we really do. Prayer can also mean to petition another a person.

“Invoking the saints who are alive in Christ” could work though.

there is a prayer made to an angel in the Gospel and it comes to us from the mother of God: the Virgin Mary, and this prayer looks like 2 drops of water to the one taught by Jesus! Mary to the angel Gabriel >>> "I am the handmaid of the Lord, *let it be done to me according to your word*!" Jesus teaching us the Our Father >>> "*Thy will be done*!" This is the prayer of surrender to the will of God

@@erravi Yes ! and the angels of God are saints, and Jesus says us that the risen, mens and womens will be like angels in the kingdom of God. And here that angels make >>> Hebrew 1,14 then the saints can help us and can carry our prayers to God like the angels of God.

Fair enough, maybe "Seeking the intercession of the saints"

@YAJUN YUAN You're just wrong on so many levels. First off; we know that the angels and saints hear us in heaven because Jesus Christ did so when he went up the mountain and spoke to Moses and Elijah. Moreover, there's been plenty of people who've directly spoken to angels and saints, like Padre Pio, for example, who conversed with his guardian angel. "How can a single glorified human hear the prayers of potentially billions of people simultaneously?" By the grace of God, of course.

I won't be able to answer point by point because the reply box covers your comment, but I'll try to remember your points as best as I can. I might need to make an additional reply. It's my understanding that the matter of the sinlessness of Mary was long debated before the Dogma was defined by the Latin Church. It's also my understanding that the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox don't dogmatically teach that Mary was conceived with the mark of original sin, and then sometime later was purified. If I understand correctly, OO and EO faithful may believe that Mary was immaculately conceived, without fear of being disobedient to your bishops, or heretics. There are arguments in support of the Immaculate Conception. The first is that denying it is equal to declaring that Mary was born under the dominion of Satan. Second, it's not necessary to be miraculously conceived in the womb of a virgin, without sperm from a man, in order to be preserved from original sin. The sexual act doesn't cause the infant to be "born in sin." It's the sin of Adam that we are subject under until baptism makes us adopted sons and daughters of God the Father. If I'm not mistaken, OO and EO reject the definition of original sin, if not the concept. If that's so, then we have to back up from discussing the Immaculate Conception to first address the concept of original sin. In the Tradition of the Latin Church, "by one man sin and death entered into the world." This is the original sin the Saint refers to. It's the sin by which Adam lost grace, and therefore he could not conceive children in grace, nor could his children. But God is all powerful and can act outside the laws of nature (laws He established and rules). God is able to cause anyone to be conceived free of the mark of original sin, never subject to the devil except by their own absolutely free choice to commit sin. Mary acknowledged that God preserved her. God is her savior. I suppose that could be interpreted as her giving credit to God for purifying her from the mark of original sin that she might have been born with, but it can as easily be interpreted as her acknowledgement that her purity comes from the grace of God preserving her from the mark of original sin from the very moment of her Conception. I hope this explains the Tradition of the Latin Church clearly.

As to point 3, the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception doesn't erase what Christ did to redeem us. God created time, and God exists outside of time. Our Eternal Father is able to apply the effects of His Son's redemptive act to "the past" before Jesus offered Himself as the pure, spotless Victim.

@@kimfleury Thank you for your response and it did give me better understanding of the theology of the Roman Catholic Church in regards to St. Mary. I respect the Catholic Church and love many of her Saints like St. Rita, St. Therese of Lisieux, Padre Piu and St. Bernadette. In reality as our Church teaches us, St. Mary is worthy of honor and veneration so I hate to argue against any thing that would give her more honor but I believe that it makes better theology to keep “ sinlessness” to God alone. In the conversation between the Lord Jesus and the young rich man (Mark 10), the young man called our Lord “Good teacher” but the Lord answered with a little strange question “why do you call me good ? No one is good but God alone” but the Bible called many people “good”!!! What then? I think “good” here refers to the absolute goodness which is to be sinless. Please accept my greetings and love.

We believe that Mary was also saved by Jesus, but because God is outside of time, she was saved from sin from the very first moment of her existence.

Well said. What is more, Session 25 of the Council of Trent speaks of “prayer to the Saints”; so the orthodoxy and accuracy of such language is beyond doubt. Catholics cannot dilute accurate theological language in order to accommodate unbelievers. St Paul did not dilute or deny the doctrine of the Cross, and we have no right to dilute the Faith either. If people don’t believe, they don’t believe - that is their decision.

@YAJUN YUAN Catholic doctrine only matters, not people's conception or understanding of it. Or at least the latter doesn't change the former. You either have Mary being saved from being born in sin, or you have Jesus being saved in the same way. When you have the immaculate conception of Mary, it means the Saviour doesn't need to be saved, but is born without sin naturally, since his mother is already saved and prepared to hand on a pure human nature. You just have to choose whether Jesus was saved, or Mary.

I must have missed something. Whatever.

​@YAJUN YUAN "Jesus being conceived without original “sin” does not require him being saved" When Catholics refer to Mary being saved by God reemptively in the sense of the immaculate conception, they mean salvation from inheriting original sin, as she would have had God not made her this special exception. So in this sense, which is obviously a salvation from sin, Jesus would have to have been saved in this same way if Mary wasn't. It's a binary, either Jesus was saved from contracting original sin, or his mother imparted none to Him. We believe the latter. When God saves you from contracting original sin, that's salvation. It was either Mary who was saved, and thus Jesus didn't inherit original sin, or, Jesus was saved from what His mother handed on to Him in the form of a fallen human nature. "Do you believe baptism removed original sin? Then why do the offspring of two baptised Catholics still have original sin?" This applies to Protestantism too - why does the curse still fall on people regardless of whether they will believe? Why aren't the children of believers all born 'saved?' The reason is that God has withheld His grace/tied it to certain acts of faith by His will. And that's that. Why didn't God redeem Adam and Eve and make all their children born 'saved?' It's the same question. The original sin seems to be a result from the curse on Adam our head which means that simply any offspring of Adam is born inheriting what Adam had to leave him, namely, a fallen human nature. This is why God allowed Mary to be an exception, so that the One born of her didn't count as a 'son of Adam' in the sense of requiring Him to be born under a curse like all his other descendants, but rather, God allowed Mary to be a kind of 'new Eve' or new starting point, truly. Making Mary saved, but Jesus not. Protestantism makes Mary and Jesus both saved in the same way, but at different times.

@YAJUN YUAN No, Jesus taught that unless we are born again, in Him, we cannot enter the Kingdom of God. This means we are born children of Adam, with no heavenly inheritance. We don't just automatically get heaven by default, Adam lost that for himself and all his progeny. This is why Jesus is the new Adam. We take HIm for our Head, instead of Adam, spiritually, so that we can inherit heaven. Baptism/Being born again is absolutely salvation, in fact, it's chiefly what is meant by it. Until the Protestant Reformation circa 1500s.

Interesting questions. I would be hesitate to think of prayer to saints as "purely transitional", as were they still alive bodily I'm sure you would want to be friends with them, and no one has a real friendship based solely on transactional value. That they can and do pray with us for particular things doesn't mean they're only relaying messages to God, as though God couldn't hear us and needed the Saints to pass the messages, but it does demonstrate that God likes it when His creatures work together. This may be more directly related to your second question, but this cooperation is more easily attained based on the willingness of the creature to cooperate. If the saints "have abilities", those gifts are given them by God for a particular purpose (1 Cor 14 discusses this; you may have gifts, but they aren't beneficial unless they bear witness for the community you're in). So I'm sure you could pray "St. X, help me to be ____ like you were" or something, but I don't think you can say "bilocation would sure be convenient, can you do that for me?" when that gift is God's for them. Mary's graces may be special and more extensive because she was perfectly disposed to do God's Will, where many of us have some selfishness which would make us to be less-perfect conduits of God's will and love for people. As with the Apostles, their gifts for healing were not some sort of magic secret they had, they were receptive conduits of God's desire to heal people and so God used them. Even in heaven, saints can only bring about miraculous healings because they have united their will to God's, and as you say, ultimately the healing comes from God. Regarding the sacraments, the priest isn't "alone" when he forgives sins, he's acting in the person of Christ the Head of the Church, so that where he is for every sacrament, Christ himself is, so that it is Jesus giving the sacraments to people, through the mediation of the priest. So, "he has already been given the power" doesn't mean that he's a total 'free agent', Christ is still working in and through him to do his ministry. Hopefully those can be helpful responses

Exactly my thoughts, the apostles didn't just communicate the need of miracles to our Lord, they have received power themselves, even their clothes did heal, when they asked "shall we cast fire from heaven ? " they werent asking if they had to pray for that to happen , as our Lord said to them , if you have any faith you can order a mountain to jump into the sea and it will obey you. The hierarchy has been so afraid of the accusation of idolatry that has forgotten the truth.

@YAJUN YUAN there are plenty of saints who have been shown to have bilocated, but that flippant example misses my point; any gift the saints have is because God did a miracle using them as His means. They don’t have any “power” on their own, as i said

@YAJUN YUAN so are you then limiting the power God has and his ability to give abilities to others for the benefit of His kingdom? I'd say only God can transform things into other things.... Say a staff into a serpent.. Or water into blood. Yet we see that God can give to other gifts by which to advance his Kingdom.

@YAJUN YUAN i was referring to the saints of history, but if you’re only going to be convinced by what was written for particular saints 2000 years ago and none of God’s workings since then, then i probably can’t help you. Nearest i could do is Philip’s unexplained disappearance via the Holy Spirit after baptizing the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts

@YAJUN YUAN while the distinction between justification and sanctification is almost nil, I’ve never heard that. God’s grace both justifies and sanctifies. What they might have been trying to acknowledge, if they were talking to a Protestant is the synergism of God’s work and our response.

@YAJUN YUAN it’s just a term. Look up what it means. It’s one of the particular types of Grace

Really? Says who? We’re justified by the blood of Jesus and our faith. What’s so difficult understanding that?

People who are born into sin will die. Everyone is as they all inherit Adam's imperfect genes. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Mary too died. Which means that she was born into a sinful condition. Jesus, however, was a transfer of his spirit life from heaven into the womb of Mary. This so that he could develop into a human. Only Mary's womb environment was used. That is why Jesus did not inherit Adam's imperfect genes which will eventually result in showing age and dying. Jesus would have lived forever, had he not been killed. Philippians 2:7 No, but he emptied himself (of his spirit form)and took a slave’s form and BECAME HUMAN. Hope this is helpful.

@@tongakhan230 Thank you very much for your kind response. Very thought provoking indeed. Romans 3:23 seems to establish a _general rule_ for the human condition. If God is not bound by it, as He is not, then _exceptions_ to the general rule are in principle possible. If the conceptions of Adam and Eve were exceptional, why not think that those of the New Adam and the New Eve are also so?

@@elederiruzkin8835 : Adam and Eve were CREATED. Jesus is called the: 1 Corinthians 15:45  So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The LAST ADAM became a life-giving spirit. Jesus was SENT by God to pay off the penalty of Adam's sin. Which would release the human family from inheriting Adam's imperfection. Thereby, affording people who accept this ransom sacrifice the opportunity to live forever on earth (John 3:16). 1 Corinthians 15:22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. I'm not sure what the New Adam and Eve notion is. Sorry!

@@elederiruzkin8835 @Tonga Khan is a Jehovah Witness.

​@@tongakhan230 Tonga, Mary's name was changed by God to Kecharitomene. It means forever Full of Grace.

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." Genesis 3

@YAJUN YUAN I disagree

@YAJUN YUAN And yet you list 10 denominations that don't agree with each other, do not worship together on the Lord's Day, that have contradictory views on sacraments, salvation, church authority, morality, and yet each claim that the Bible is their sole authority. Does the Bible contradict itself? Does the Holy Spirit cause division? Is this in keeping with Jesus' prayer to His Father: That they may be one as You & I are One. John 17:21

@YAJUN YUAN For goodness sakes, the Adventists worship on Saturday, while the other 9 worship on Sunday. Who is correct? BTW, the Adventists have claimed the world would end multiple times, yet we are still here. Apparently, they didn't read Matthew 24:36 "No one knows the day nor the hour". Why do they have any credibility at all?

Protestants also debate the nature of Sola Fide. Protestantism is founded on sand

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As a Catholic Priest, you should know that nothing supercedes the Bible in teaching authority. You quote the man made catechism about praying to Mary, but you don't quote the inerrant Word of God, which doesn't support your false claim. The Bible doesn't teach prayers to Mary. Can you prove me wrong?

@@brutus896 I can. It is just after the table of contents. Oh... that is a man made table isn't it?

@@brutus896 So, are you saying that the Bible is the pillar & bulwark of truth?

@Apu Baker al Puff Daddy I'm saying that the Bible is God's Word, and that it is all that's needed for salvation.

@@brutus896 Please provide me with the Chapter & Verse of Scripture where it says that God's Word is all that is needed for Salvation. And you still haven't answered my initial question: Is the Bible, what you claim to be all that's needed for Salvation, the pillar and bulwark of truth? Yes or no?

First of all, the Catholic Church uses the word "saints" to describe people who have died and GONE TO HEAVEN. When a human being dies, it is only his physical BODY that dies, but the human being HIMSELF does not die because he is a living SOUL (Genesis 2:7. Some Bible translations use the word "being" or "person" instead of "Soul" but they are all the same thing because they are all translations of the same Hebrew word used in that verse). And we remember that Jesus did say that the human BODY dies but the human SOUL doesn't die (Matthew 10:28) Therefore, the saints are currently ALIVE in heaven with God even though their dead bodies are still here on earth, waiting for the final resurrection. And so when we ask a saint in heaven to pray for us, we are NOT simply "communicating with DEAD people" because it is inaccurate to describe someone in heaven as "dead". That word "dead" should be used to describe the lifeless state of the human body inside the grave; it should not be used to describe the state of the human being HIMSELF who is with God in heaven. Secondly, some people claim that NO ONE in heaven (except God) can HEAR what people on earth are saying. But that is not true. Remember that there was a time when apostle John was taken up into the HEAVENLY realm by God (Revelation 4:1 - 2) and while he was there, he was able to HEAR the words coming out of the mouths of absolutely EVERYONE on earth and even in heaven as well (Revelation 5:13). This shows that the heavenly realm and this earthly realm aren't completely BLOCKED OFF from each other as some people might think

English word worship is a vague general term. Latin breaks it down into various types of worship (latria, hyperdulia, dulia, etc). It's just like Love is a vague general word, and latin breaks it down into agape, Eros, philia), or pray (means to ask, pray DOES NOT mean worship). In English language, worship usually means honor. Sometimes wedding vows have the bride promise to worship (honor) her husband, and the husband to honor (worship) his wife. They're not worshipping (latria due to God) but dulia (honor worship). Latria involves sacrifice to God. We never sacrifice to anyone but God. We never extol anyone as God but God. That's a no-brainer that everyone agrees on. in court or addressing royalty or some political cults they also call them "your worship" instead of your honor, which means the same thing. The problem with modern language is that everyone loses sight of what the definitions are, and argue over definitions. It's like the tower of bable. You can't argue effectively if the definitions are so vague that worship means different things to different people.

As a protestant I agree that prayer and invocation are synonyms. I think saying 'asking Saints to pray for you/help you' makes more sense if that is what you are doing. But really you will probably have to give a longer explanation. About protestant denominations, divisions are obviously not a good thing, but some do have minor difference and many are in communion with each other. I would argue that among some protestant denominations there may be the same amount of difference as between different Catholic rites or between different Orthodox churches. Because of that counting 'denominations' is relatively meaningless.

Of all the points, to me as someone who grew up protestant, #3 is the smallest problem for me haha. But I don't consider myself protestant anymore, maybe that's why haha.

@@KayElayempea No, they are not in communion with each other, otherwise they'd be worshiping together on the Lord's Day. Furthermore, each of these denominations have contradictory teachings on sacraments, salvation, church governance, and even moral issues like birth control or abortion. Whether there are 40,000 denominations or just 4 denominations, Protestantism is not the unity of faith for which Jesus prayed: that they may be one as You & I, Father, are One. John 17:21

@@apubakeralpuffdaddy392 Some do worship together, and they do not all have contradictory teachings, I should know being protestant myself. I agree that some are not in communion, and this is not the unity that Jesus prayed for. But I do not even see that unity in the Catholic church, even though it is one church there is plenty of division (although the Catholic church is closer than the protestant ones).

@@KayElayempea The very fact that you say 'some are not in communion' and 'they do not all have contradictory teachings' (meaning some do have contradictory teachings) proves my point. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. But, let's get into the weeds here: 7th Day Adventists claim the Bible says Christians must worship God on Saturday, while Evangelicals state that the Bible says Christians must worship God on Sunday. Isn't this an important matter? Who is correct? And how do we know that?

AHA! Stealing that one!

Love it too😁😁

It can be fun to “score points” but I don’t think it’s very helpful. Of course, they can always say “are you Christian or Catholic?”

@@danieltemelkovski9828 so Catholic is not Christian? And you assume the idea is to score points

@YAJUN YUAN How are evangelical Catholics definitely Christians but traditional Catholics aren't?

The Christian's works are always out of grace, they are God's gifts. Always. The 6th Session of the Council of Trent is phenomenally clear on justification.

Just a clarification on the word hell as one defines it. Hell is another word for the grave. Even Jesus ENDED UP in hell when he died (Acts 2:27). Everyone who dies ENDS UP in hell. All those in hell will be resurrected under Jesus' 1,000 year rule. Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of BOTH the righteous and the unrighteous. Death wipes away all sin (Romans 6:7,23). Everyone gets a NEW OPPORTUNITY to qualify for everlasting life on earth. Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Hope this is helpful.

@YAJUN YUAN : Acts 2:27 KJV Because thou wilt not leave my soul in HELL, Neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. The KJV uses the word HELL for both the Greek Hades and Gehenna. Gehenna is a different symbolic place. It symbolizes TOTAL DESTRUCTION. Hades is just the Grave. All who die END up in the grave (hades). These will be resurrected (Acts 24:15). Those who are consigned to Gehenna will not be resurrected as they have ceased to exist. All this can be Googled.

@YAJUN YUAN Adam means man what are you talking about, see any interlinear, you are pathetic and stop pontificating

That’s silly

Who says that?

To paraphrase Pope John XXIII: Christian is my first name, Catholic is my family name.

I'm a Catholic and i would NEVER say that. It's normally Protestants telling Catholics that they are not Christians is what i always read.

At worse it is blasphemy. At best, it is the same as selling prayer cards

A little too inside baseball for my pallet, but whatever floats your boat.

@YAJUN YUAN She's not a golden calf, she is the mother of the Savior and Jesus honors her. You should too.

Last time I checked, the number of protestant denominations have exceeded into the 40k bracket.

@YAJUN YUAN Yeah, I wouldn't use the term denomination because not all Protestants believe in denominationalism. The number of self-governing independent Protestant churches is vast.

@@markrome9702 you really don't understand that many independent churches are part of associations not necessarily a denomination. Conservative Baptist Association = CBA of Northern California and all those independent churches are not separate denominations. Counting every church as one of the 33,-40k is incoherent and just dumb.

@@davidjanbaz7728 Like I said, I don't quote 33,000 denominations and don't use the term denomination.

@@markrome9702 reread your OP dude: you're only fooling yourself!

Have newborn babies fallen short of the glory of God, then? We don't see anyone asking the saints for their intercession in the gospels because the Kingdom of Heaven had not yet been opened - but we do see the early Christians of history praying to the saints in 70 - 90 AD as the gospels were being written, a practice that continued all the way until the 16th century (and still does today among the original faith traditions).

@@bigfootapologetics the last book in the Bible, Revelation, was written in around 70 AD. None of the Scripture says it's okay to pray to saints, this is heresy. You pray to God and Him alone in Christ's name.

@@coen8677 We're not praying to the saints in the sense of worship; the word "prayer" in this context is "a solemn petition" - it's an older usage of the word that predates the Protestant Reformation and the newer Christian traditions that don't ask the saints for intercession. It's not heresy to ask another member of the Body of Christ to pray for you.

@@bigfootapologetics Again, there is no such mention or distinction in the Bible. I don't care how long this heresy has been practiced, cease it at once. Ask the brethren on Earth to pray for you as the Scripture instructs... Faith and hope is only relevant in this life. Those who have completed their journey now live in God's love, eternal. They aren't bothered by Earth anymore... Paul didn't say his journey is complete, but send him your prayers so he can intercede for you and be bother by you. No, he said he wished he could go to Heaven, but he remained for the sake of those who still needed him here... Now that he's completed his journey he's no longer burdened by this world. Leave him be.

@@coen8677 Each prohibition against contact with the dead in the Old Testament has two elements: 1.) two-way communication designed to get information from the dead and 2.) completely excluding God from the process. When asking the saints to pray to God on our behalf, we are neither communicating with the saints nor excluding God; we are asking them to do the same thing the Bible tells us we should do of believers on Earth. If it is pleasing to God to ask people on Earth to pray for us, why would it not be pleasing to Him for us to ask the saints in heaven to do the same? Why would the saints in heaven no longer do the things that the Body of Christ are asked to do on Earth, when Rev. 5:8 shows them doing just that?

What is?

Mary died. It would mean that she, as all other humans, was born into a sinful condition inherited from Adam. Romans 5:12 That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned Romans 6:23 For the wages sin pays is death, If we rely on the Bible, any confusion is quickly cleared up. Hope this helps.

You have a chance to repent. You might not have a chance to go to Confession, but if you intend to go, and meet with sudden death before you get there, the intention to confess the mortal sin is counted in your favor. Another situation might be the person who obstinately persists in mortal sin throughout life, but has a deathbed conversion. The conversion might take place when the dying person is unable to communicate to others. Even if death comes suddenly and unexpectedly, everyone has the chance to _repent_ before death.

@YAJUN YUAN Not according to them? Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.…

@YAJUN YUAN an independent pastor doesn't represent an entirely new set of beliefs. How can you be sure about that in 2022? according to many, they believe they are the Church. also what about all the non-trinitarian independents, and the ones that say they are not Christian, no religion just have a relationship with Jesus, etc... Do you know that Philo gave us the trinity, and the Bible is the mark of the beast?

Revelation 5:8 shows 24 elders offering our prayers to God in heaven

@@treycastle9119 That dosent say those elders of Old Testament are doing intercession.

@@_IT_Jason An intercessor doesn't tell God what HE wants for HIMSELF. He tells God what someone else has asked him to tell God ON THAT PERSON'S BEHALF. The prayers which those elders and angels in heaven were offering to God were not their OWN PERSONAL PRAYERS but the prayers coming from the people of God. In other words, they were presenting those prayers to God ON BEHALF OF the people of God. An intercessor acts ON BEHALF OF someone else

@@_IT_Jason It’s a vision of 12 elders of the OT and the 12 apostles offering the prayers of believers to God in the form of a golden bowl of incense…how is that not intercession?

Why is it not possible for Jesus to be saved though? Why could He not receive salvation, then deliver salvation to others?

@@fireandworms Remember that John did baptize Jesus.

Actually, your Protestant friend is wrong because the saints aren't simply "Dead" people. It is obvious that he doesn't understand what it means for a human being to die. A human being is actually a SPIRITUAL being because he is a living SOUL (Genesis 2:7) that has a physical BODY. When a human being dies here on earth, he simply LEAVES or SEPERATES himself from his physical body and then immediately GOES to heaven (if he was a faithful Christian throughout his life on earth). This is why Apostle Peter described his physical human body as a TENT or TABERNACLE which he was going to leave behind on the day he dies (2 Peter 1:13 - 14). This means that even though Peter's physical BODY is still here on earth (in his grave), Peter HIMSELF is no longer here on earth. Where is he ? He is obviously IN HEAVEN. And so the saints are all currently ALIVE with God in heaven even though their dead bodies are still here on earth. I find it strange to use the word "dead" to describe someone IN HEAVEN. The Bible actually uses that word to describe those in HELL, not those in HEAVEN because it described hell as the "second DEATH" (Revelation 20:16). Ironically, most people don't realize that those persons currently in heaven are even MORE ALIVE than those of us here on earth because life in heaven is FAR SUPERIOR to life here on earth (you simply CANNOT compare the two of them in any way). And since they are ALIVE, it means that they can HEAR us whenever we ask them to pray for us (a human being can only hear something if he is alive) Concerning the verse your friend quoted from Hebrews, it was probably Hebrews 4:16 which tells us to approach the throne of grace with CONFIDENCE to receive grace whenever we need it. But that verse doesn't say that we MUST ALWAYS approach Jesus DIRECTLY in prayer, neither is it forbidding us from asking SOMEONE ELSE to pray to Him on our behalf. The word "confidence" in that verse doesn't mean that we are supposed to AVOID asking someone else to pray to the Lord on our behalf simply because asking someone to pray to God on your behalf is NOT a sign of LACK OF CONFIDENCE; it is simply a normal Christian practice because Christians are supposed to pray for one another. It is true that the Bible talks about praying or communicating DIRECTLY with God; but the Bible never said that this is how we MUST pray ALL THE TIME

So ask the living to pray for you, not those you say are alive in Heaven. You are opening yourself up to demonic realms, you may think you're speaking to a saint, but you are committing heresy against God

Trent condemns Commander

Lower in quality to Pokemon tcg (approved by the Vatican)

@@sandmaneyes did he say that in a video?

Well it can't be purely a work of fiction unless the Bible is a work of fiction, because much of what occurs in the Protoevangelium of James also occurs in the Bible. The book may have some legendary elements, but how much of it would fall under that category is debated. There are some sections of the book that the church has accepted as trustworthy, such as the names of Mary's parents and the detail that Jesus was born in a cave rather than a "stable". I mean the book was written by a Christian in Antioch during the very early church at a time when the church wasn't that big and they weren't very far removed from Mary herself and the apostles. It's just hard to believe that the church would have somehow forgotten the names of Mary's parents already less than 100 years after her death.

Initial justification is by GRACE ALONE. Remember that faith is a human action in response to the initial Grace that cannot be won by works (it is a free gift from God). That is why babies who are baptized are saved even if they die before ever having faith. This would also apply to those with sever mental disabilities who never achieve the age of reason. Severely mentally handicapped people may never reach the intellectual capacity to have faith, but by GRACE ALONE they are justified in baptism. In Romans St. Paul is talking about those who have already reached the age of reason. At that point we must respond to God's grace through faith, otherwise we are among those who reject Christ (Mat 10: 33). The works Paul is referring to are not works of charity like the one Jesus lays out at the sermon on the mount (otherwise Paul would be undermining Jesus' preaching). Paul is talking about works of the Jewish law, especially circumcision. He was responding to Judaizers who thought that it was necessary to continue to perpetuate the old testament practices. Check out this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gb9xl8R4m5bPnGQ.html

@@paularnold3745 This is a huge help. Thanks a bunch!

@@paularnold3745 The audience of the Letter to the Romans is a hugely important context for understanding it. You made many excellent points!

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@YAJUN YUAN no, thats just gibberish.