Best video I’ve seen thus far on how to retract the piston. Very professionally done.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for the nice comment! Much appreciated!
@shmindersinghchatha6412 Жыл бұрын
I saw one in that he took a needle nose pliers and did it in 2 minutes, way easier
@Brandon-du9xz Жыл бұрын
Recommend this video even if you think you know. The bench breakdown and explanation is by far worth watching the entire video Great job
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks Brandon, much appreciated!
@cajunweatherman8974 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this very comprehensive video. I used the caliper wind back method with the proper caliper piston adapter. However, prior to that, I put the car in accessory mode but did not start the engine. That took the pressure off the rear brakes and it was then easy to remove the caliper bracket and the pads slid right out. Then I did the caliper wind back method and got the caliper piston flush with the dust boot. After putting my new pads on and reassembling the caliper bracket, I put my car back in accessory mode and put the E brake on and off a couple of times. That set or reset the E brake and put pressure back on so the new pads could not slide or move. I did one side at a time with that method on my 2018 Honda Civic. Afterwards, I started my car car and pumped the brakes several times until the brake pedal returned to its normal feel. I did this several months ago and all is fine. Never had any brake light come on which typically happens when this job is done incorrectly. Also, I would advise removing some brake fluid from the reservoir if it's at the max level before starting the job. Otherwise, brake fluid can overflow from the reservoir and make a big mess. This worked for me and hopefully may help someone else.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! And thanks for sharing your experience approach on the Civic. I definitely agree with removing some brake fluid from the reservoir (or at least monitoring it during the process) - good point!
@christopherrobertson21088 ай бұрын
This is the most concise and detailed video I've seen on the 10th gen rear brakes. Great job
@JohnsDIY8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment! Appreciate that!
@makeittrades5750 Жыл бұрын
So many people complicating this and you clarified all methods in detail. Well presented and straight to the point. You have a neck for educational videos like this.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for the nice comment! I really appreciate it!
@kevindecker94447 ай бұрын
The only issue I see that you missed was the adapter kit used to rotate and push the piston back into the housing comes with two types of screwing type tools. One is used on the left side of the car while th eother is used on the right side of the car. Presumably one is a left handed thread while the other is a right handed thread, I have no idea which side you are working on, but my assumption from watching numerous video on this subject is the screw direction for retraction on Honda is always clockwise. It would be nice if you discussed how does one view which is the right side of the car and which is the left side of the car? It depends on the point of reference. If one assumes while sitting in the car, the left side is on your left while right side in on your right. If one is facing the car from the front, then the right side is on the drivers side and the left side is on the passenger side. @@JohnsDIY
@JohnsDIY7 ай бұрын
@@kevindecker9444 Good point! I believe the normal convention is to use left and right relative to sitting in the vehicle. So in the US, the left is driver's side and right is passenger side. I could have messed that up and said the wrong thing in the video though! But you are correct, on these Hondas, the piston screws back in the clockwise direction on both sides of the vehicle. Interesting that some windback tools have left and righthanded threaded tools. My kit only has the single tool which works for clockwise retraction.
@twizzltwizzl79624 ай бұрын
Waited 2years for someone to do this video in this exact way, thank you
@JohnsDIY3 ай бұрын
Thanks much for the nice comment!
@user-hd5bv6lv6p2 ай бұрын
By far the best video I have seen explaining the EPB. Thank you!
@JohnsDIY2 ай бұрын
Thanks very much for the nice comment! Really appreciate it!
@jolenedouglas3207 Жыл бұрын
Well this shed much more information than I have found,,I like the first way, rotating the pump counter clock wise, push the cylinder in,This is the method we are going to use, thanks so much for taking your time to show us,
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Jolene!
@allenashkar37483 ай бұрын
Well done! Best video demonstration of all methods combined on how to deal with EPB while changing rear brake pads! Thank you, John, on an excellent job illustrating how the EPB motor works!
@JohnsDIY3 ай бұрын
Thanks much for the nice comment Allen! Appreciate it!
@agough70573 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Yes, I watched entire video. RDX pads need changing and I was contemplating best option to retract rear pistons with the electric parking break. I'll be going with the rewind tool and then using a compressor tool the rest of the way. Thanks.
@JohnsDIY3 ай бұрын
Thanks very much for the nice comment! Hope the brake job on the RDX goes smooth! Let us know if there are any major differences relative to the Accord!
@davidsullivan78675 ай бұрын
Definitely the most comprehensive video out there! Thank you for taking the time to lend your expertise to this subject matter.
@JohnsDIY5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment! Appreciate that!
@KenC-um4sj Жыл бұрын
I'm ready for the test! Superb lesson . Thank you very much. Dealer wanted $1000.00. DIY $200
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment! Wow, $1000! Hope the brake job goes smoothly - I'm sure it will!
@ME-ih9ci12 күн бұрын
Well explained and very professional manner
@richardpica6577 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely the best video on the internet in regards to this subject! Thanks for sharing 👍
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the nice comment Richard!
@adrpals23244 ай бұрын
You make it look so easy, thank you.
@JohnsDIY3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@jamesmack3266 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I was really surprised that the turn back tool worked. I guess as long as the pitch of the threads on the turn back tool is greater than that of the ball screw it will work, otherwise perhaps not? I like the apply 12v method the best as it avoids driving the worm drive geartrain backwards from the end it wasn't supposed to be driven from. But again doing that seems to be no problem in practice.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment James! That's a good point about the relative thread pitch and I agree. With the turn-back tool threads finer than the ball screw, on each turn the ball screw moves in farther than the tool moves out, so you just have to catch the tool up by additionally turning the nut. If it was the other way around, then the turn-back tool would move out further than the piston would move in each revolution and the tool would want to bind up. I guess you might be able to try to manually loosen the nut to continuously keep enough slack, but it would definitely be trickier in that case (since if you didn't turn the nut enough you would bind up rather than just start getting really loose). Good point! Yep, that makes sense to me. Seems like once you have some test leads at the ready then it might be the quickest/easiest method as well. Thanks!
@williamroark85819 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this. Just wish I watched this one before I started my brake job 😂
@JohnsDIY9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment! Hope the brake job went well anyway!
@markhilsen2700 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. The easiest / cheapest way is to remove the 2 screws and open the actuator. Literally takes 2 minutes.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark. I agree, that's a good way to go and good point that that method doesn't require any special tools.
@jingcandy9 ай бұрын
in canada, those two little bolts are nightmare. you dont want to touch them in there is any other way out there.
@gggarcia32 ай бұрын
John must be a mechanical engineer. Best/Great explanation of how these work.
@JohnsDIY2 ай бұрын
Thanks much for the nice comment! I'm actually an electrical engineer in my day job but I do like knowing how mechanical stuff works too! Thanks again!
@shutupdog1111 күн бұрын
Thanx for the variances!! Vid was awsome ...
@yveslarose11944 ай бұрын
Wow 100% the best way to get to what you want is this one, you have saved me from Garage cheating to get money from us handyman For stupid shit ...thanks again john for all the time you spend here for us...👍👍👍
@paulos9304 Жыл бұрын
Hi John. I got my HRV done at the weekend. It was straight forward. I did notice that the piston pushed in. I looked for a triangle shaped disk in the brake pushback tool but there was none. I put a small screwdriver in one of the indents and wound it back but found it went straight in. It never need turned so that was a plus. . No lights on the dash so that's good. The diesel fuel filter is a real mare as it's at the rear of the engine, just above the exhaust. Happy days lol
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Nice job Paulo! That's fantastic! Yeah, that diesel fuel filter must be a pain on the back of the engine. I have a video on taking out the alternator which is back there too and it is a job! A lot of working by feel! Great job on the brakes!
@pauloygarcia Жыл бұрын
This video saved me from a huge financial trouble, I went to change the brake pads and the piston wouldn't go back. I tried a bunch of ways even the one connecting the aligator jack to a battery, and for some reason the motor just kept working without retracting the piston. The only method that worked for me was to by the turn back tool on amazon and use it to screw it back. Thank you for that tip man.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Paulo! That's great that you were able to solve the problem - nice work! Thanks for taking the time to post the comment.
@m109r Жыл бұрын
Amazing video. Great information . I like how you went through the schematic. 😊
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Lino! Appreciate it!
@ericklp5658 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this great video. Now I know how to replace the rear brakes on my 17 Acura MDX.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment and good luck on your repair Erick!
@onlywenilaugh6589Ай бұрын
What a great video, thanks!
@extemos6476 Жыл бұрын
You're the man! Thank you your video shows how the mechanism works. Thank you so much!
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for the nice comment! Appreciate it!
@blakewilson9068 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Best one I’ve seen. Very professional. Thanks for the good content and great tips!
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Blake!
@Richsojak Жыл бұрын
I did learn from this. Thanks
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment/feedback!
@gi169 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thank you...👍👍👍
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment!
@sheylajavi8 ай бұрын
Thank you very much Sir..very helpful information..
@JohnsDIY8 ай бұрын
And thank you for the nice comment sir!
@mlue14663 ай бұрын
Bravo 👏 Thank you for this fantastic video
@JohnsDIY3 ай бұрын
Thanks much for the nice comment!
@leohorowitz2522 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Thanks...
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Leo!
@slowsqueeze Жыл бұрын
Perfect! Very well done.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment!
@vasiliykiselev20499 ай бұрын
Большое СПАСИБО!!! Очень грамотное и понятное объяснение.
@JohnsDIY9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment! Much appreciated Vasiliy! (Thanks to google translate for the translation)
@algavrilko3 ай бұрын
Priceless content. thank you so much.
@tydang358210 ай бұрын
Very detailed. Thank you.
@JohnsDIY10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment! Appreciate it!
@MG7316 Жыл бұрын
Exactly how it should be done ☑️
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment!
@alexstavros Жыл бұрын
Excellent Video! Thanks!
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Alexander!
@billd36929 ай бұрын
Excellent info, thank you
@JohnsDIY9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment!
@user-me1kd3zo2q7 ай бұрын
Real good video the best I have seen
@JohnsDIY7 ай бұрын
Thanks much for the nice comment!
@pollydor0711 күн бұрын
Thanks
@donjuan57354 ай бұрын
Best Vid ever.....Made the process wayyyyyyyyy kooler n smooder🎉🎉🎉🤝..... Thanks and much appreciation
@JohnsDIY3 ай бұрын
Thanks much for the nice comment! Really appreciate that!
@GearheadologyGarage8 ай бұрын
12v bypassing all day, works every time on most vehicles 👍🏽
@user-kh8uy9qp1x3 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks! I've been seeing various methods including putting the accessory key on. But seems simpler to use the tool and turn back the piston. I have a scan tool but don't know if it does maintenance mode like you showed. thanks again
@JohnsDIY3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Yep, even though I have a scan tool that supports it, I still find it easier to just turn them back in.
@ST-xc3qw9 ай бұрын
Great video Thanks
@JohnsDIY9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment!
@joseburgos15116 ай бұрын
Thank You!! God Bless You!!!
@carlsvz Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for you video. Is so helpful...
@BruceLyeg Жыл бұрын
Great video John. I've never been a fan of them. It started with luxury cars and then other manufacturers copied it. How am I supposed to do some sick drifting in the high school parking lot? I feel the need for back brakes only!
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Hahaha! Yep, they sure took all our fun away with that change :)
@msiddi01 Жыл бұрын
I know... but you are not supposed to drift a FWD car anyway.
@ProductsForMen16 күн бұрын
So if you use the scanner to put it on epb maintain mode; you just need to push the caliper piston straight down and no need to turn it clockwise. Other videos show doing both, which is weird.
@JohnsDIY16 күн бұрын
Yes, I believe that is correct. Maintenance mode causes the parking brake motor to run until the inner piston is fully retracted. However, it cannot pull in the outer piston since that just floats over the inner piston so that simply has to be pushed in which can be done without turning it.
@phongkhotsombath8508 Жыл бұрын
great video thank you
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Phong!
@ericshirley3492 Жыл бұрын
Great information - very well done and worth watching to the very end. I have a question. Using a turn back tool on my 2017 CRV, I rotated the piston clockwise until it was flush. It never reached a point where it would not turn. I used the similar amount of pressure as shown in the video and did not force the piston. I’ve not proceeded any further. Does this sometimes happen or this something I should be concerned about? Thanks.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Eric! Assuming the 2017 caliper is the same as the 10th gen Accords, it should eventually reach a point where it won't turn anymore. Although it looks like it is all the way back in (flush with the surface), maybe it is just not quite all the way back? That would be my guess. If you turn a bit further does it stop turning?
@grant61734 ай бұрын
I used a large pair of needle nose pliers to rotate the piston on an Accord before. It wasn't as easy as the tool you used, of course. Didn't realize that was still an option. Thanks. I'd really like to know how to disconnect that electrical connector. I've tried, and I just can't figure out the trick.
@JohnsDIY4 ай бұрын
Interesting, yep, I could see how you could get needle nose pliers to work for that in a pinch! Gets the job done!! I am going from memory, but I think there is a latch on the connector that needs to be depressed by squeezing the connector in the right place. However, I find it is usually very hard to undo the connectors this way once they sit there a while and collect some grime in there. Instead, what usually works much better is to get a really fine pick and reach in from the end of the connector and lift up on the clip. Hard to describe in words, but basically you reach in to the end of the connector between the female connector housing and the connector it goes to and gently push outward (toward the outside of the connector). You will feel when you are on the latch because it will feel "springy". Once you pull back on the latch a little bit, the connector will pull off very easily. It does not take a lot of force, it just takes a very small pick and a little fishing around to fine the right place by feel.
@JohnsDIY4 ай бұрын
I find a really small pick like the right angle one from this set works well: www.amazon.com/Rotation-Pick-Hook-4-Piece-Tools/dp/B08W3H1SCV
@JohnsDIY4 ай бұрын
But maybe you could even get in there with a small screwdriver.
@northernoutdoorsmandave9067 Жыл бұрын
Good day John. What a super professional video. Very detailed. I am thinking of changing my brakes and rotors on my 2017 civic but somewhat nervous about the rear changout. I like the 'turn the piston' option much like yourself. Now I have a question for you. What is the procedure to calibrate EPB system? Honda dealer here in Sault Ste. Marie Ontario quoted $650 front same for rear all new parts . Have a great day . Thanks again . Dave
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Dave! Appreciate that! The procedure to calibrate the EPB system is really simple: 1. Turn the vehicle to the ON mode. 2. Apply and release the parking brake 2 times, then make sure that the brake system indicator (red) goes OFF. Basically the EPB recalibrates itself by running the motor until the inner nut forces the piston out (as indicated by an increase in motor current). Good luck with the repair!
@bobtosi4860 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video.... So just to clarify.. If I use a turn back took on the piston, I don't need to do anything to the electronic parking brake except calibrate the parking brake (engage and disengage twice) after it's done?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Bob! Yes, that is exactly correct. When the parking brake is engaged after the brake job is complete, it will drive the inner nut and piston out until the brake is engaged and then back it off just the right amount to be ready to quickly engage on the next use.
@jamkpa7 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@jamesbailey77856 ай бұрын
Would this also work? I was afraid to attempt on my Buick envision. Ended up my brake pads had enough to pass inspection. We are planning on trading soon. Ok removed lower caliper bolt/pin. flipping up remove outer pad. Lower caliper back and using 2 mid size screw drivers use the space (from removed pad) to wedge caliper hold bracket and caliper -applying pressure have someone hit the release p brake and it should retract correct?
@JohnsDIY6 ай бұрын
Hi James, Interesting idea! I am not certain how the parking brake disable algorithm works on the Honda, but it appears that it might just run the motor for a fixed amount of time, enough to ensure the piston is retracted just a bit. It does not retract it all the way, of course, so that it will be faster to engage when the parking brake is turned on again. There are no position sensors or anything, so I suspect it just runs for a fixed time interval. Going in the other direction, to engage the parking brake, I suspect it runs until the motor current increases beyond some threshold, indicating it has sufficient pressure on the pad. If my understanding of all that is true, then I think your idea might work on the Honda (not sure about the Buick) but I think you would have to repeat the process many times to fully retract it, each time getting it to retract a little further. So you would use your screwdrivers to take up all the slack. Then turn on the parking brake and it the piston would hardly come out at all since you are taking up the slack. Then when you turn of the parking brake it will retract a bit. Then you take up the slack with your screwdrivers. And just keep repeating that process until it is fully retracted. I think that might work, but certainly never tried it! However, it certainly doesn't seem like the easiest or quickest way to me!! Interesting idea though!
@AndrewH-br3yeАй бұрын
Nice.
@ddisneyman8911 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I have a 2018 Honda Accord that needs new rear brakes. I'm going to use your first method of using a piston compression tool to turn the piston clockwise, then push it straight back. I have two questions: 1. Does the system have to be put in "maintenance mode", then returned to "normal mode" after the new brakes are installed? If so, how? 2. In other videos on this topic, some say to put the engine in accessory mode to release the pressure on the caliper. Thoughts on this?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! 1. No, I have never had to put the brake system in maintenance mode to wind back the piston. The maintenance mode (which can be set with a bidirectional scan tool) retracts the inner piston by running the electric motor so that you don't have to wind back the piston with the windback tool. But if you use the windback tool to screw the piston back in, this action retracts the inner piston and maintenance mode is not necessary. 2. I don't know why accessory mode would release pressure on the caliper. I have never done that on any vehicle. You should make sure that the parking brake is turned off however. If you have the "auto parking brake" feature enabled then you should disable it. With the parking brake off, the inner piston (electronic parking brake) will be retracted enough for you to remove the caliper. Then you can just pull on the caliper a bit to push the hydraulic piston in enough to pull the caliper off. Once you finish the brake job, you should turn the parking brake on and off twice so that the inner piston gets reset to the correct position (close to making contact with the outper piston). Here is a video of a rear brake job on a 2018 Honda Accord showing this approach. (System was NOT in maintenance mode and the engine was NOT in accessory mode): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/na1ohbp5rp2VYpc.html Hope that helps!
@ddisneyman8911 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY Thanks John! One more question, just like in your video, many videos on the topic show people removing the back of the EPB and turning the screw clockwise using a T12 torx bit until it stops, then compressing the piston straight back. Does the alternate method of just using the windback tool achieve the same thing with regards to the internal screw? I prefer just using the windback tool method because I share the same concern of opening the sealed EPB unit.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
@@ddisneyman8911 Sure thing! Yes, exactly, both accomplish the same result. I agree, probably better to not remove the EPB unit if you don't need to plus I think it is quicker and easier to just use the windback tool. By removing the EPB and turning the shaft with the torx bit, you are screwing the screw into the inner piston causing it to be retracted back into the caliper. When you screw the outer piston in with a windback tool, the outer piston is keyed to the inner piston/nut. So as you rotate, the inner piston/nut is screwed back on the shaft/screw and gets retracted back into the caliper. In both cases, the result is the same, just a matter of thether you rotate the "bolt" or the "nut".
@ddisneyman8911 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY Thank you so much! Saved me $$$. Just finished replacing the rear pads and rotors, the windback tool worked great! Didn't have to crack open the EPB unit. I'm not sure why there's such a confusion and fear over the EPB, it was very easy. In accessory mode, I turned on and off the parking brakes a few times. No warning lights! Now I have to do the front brakes, do you happen to know the front caliper bracket and caliper pin torque specs on a 2018 Accord? Can't find it anywhere. Thanks again!!!
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
@@ddisneyman8911 Sure thing! It is always so nice to be able to get the job done yourself! Good luck with the repair and give a shout if you have any other questions!
@kimquyluu6771 Жыл бұрын
Thank you share clip
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@giopirmisashvili55146 ай бұрын
Thank you
@Duskpup Жыл бұрын
15:15 I'm just a huge fan of break calipers haha
@paulinopuc1524 Жыл бұрын
👍Great job i like your 📹video.
@soukiallen1 Жыл бұрын
thank you for clarifying
@lizhiliao4614 Жыл бұрын
I have seen some guys using 9v batteries on Toyota or Lexus, I am super curious will 9v battery also work on honda cars?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Interesting question. I still have that spare caliper hanging around. I'll give that a try and let you know!
@lizhiliao4614 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIYthat would be cool😄
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
@@lizhiliao4614 I tried it out and a fresh 9V battery was indeed able to drive the parking brake motor! It definitely turned slower and sounded a little sluggish compared to driving it at 12V (not surprisingly) but it worked just fine. I was able to drive the caliper piston out and then retract it just fine. Thanks for mentioning that as that might be a good option for a lot of folks! A nice side benefit of doing it that way is that you can't really create any problems with that approach (shorting out and melting terminals for example) due to the limited amperage of the 9V battery. Good idea!
@lizhiliao4614 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY Hi John, thank you soooo... much for trying it out with the 9V battery! It is just great to hear that it worked well for you and could be a viable option for others too. Indeed, the limited amperage of the 9V battery provides an added safety benefit. Much appreciate for sharing your valuable experience!
@KevinBrown-em3ng Жыл бұрын
Do u have to take the cap off the brake reservoir ???
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
That's a good point Kevin! Yes, I think that is a good idea and it is what I do. I should have mentioned that. I take the cap off the brake reservoir and if the fluid level is high, I also suck a little bit out before rewinding the piston so it doesn't overflow.
@JayyB9097 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Why do think some people say you'll damage or throw off calibration on electric motor and get lights on dash if you do it the (1st) manual way?
@JohnsDIY7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment! It is a good question and I really don't know. At least on this model Honda, I don't see how it would even be possible for the PCM to detect that the piston had been wound back manually. There are literally two wires going to the motor which supply it power. There are no other sensors or any other type of feedback. Therefore, I believe the only way that the parking brake gets calibrated is by the PCM running the motor until it engages (as detected by increased motor current) and then backing off by a bit. Which makes sense given that the honda service information parking brake adjustment procedure (after pad replacement) is to simply engage and then disengage the parking brake.
@zef9871 Жыл бұрын
Good video!
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment!
@Dominiquecurtis. Жыл бұрын
Does the first option work for most cars that uses electronic parking brakes ? Also for the first option after your done replacing the brakes, do you just pump the brakes too get the piston too travel back after you have compressed it using the push and compressor tool , or do you have too pump the brakes and apply the emergency brake too get the piston too travel back ?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Good question, but unfortunately, I don't know if the technique works on most other models or not. Yes, exactly, once you are done with the brake job, you pump the brakes like you would normally do until the pedal gets nice and firm, and then put on and turn off the parking brake two times.
@67herby89 Жыл бұрын
Great video. One question and hope you can answer. I’ve changed brake pads before and what I’ve always have used has been a C clamp with an old brake pad to retract to caliper back. Would that way work on this type of car?? I have a 2018 Accord Touring edition.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
I have used the C-clamp method you describe on some vehicles as well, but unfortunately, that method by itself will not generally work on the rear brakes of the 2018 Accord with the electronic parking brake. The piston will push in some, but only until it hits the inner nut on the ball screw and then will stop pushing in. You will need to either rotate the piston or use one of the other methods described in the video to retract the inner nut inside the piston.
@67herby89 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for such a quick response. I just bought the brake pads at my local Honda dealer and now I will get the same clamping system tool at my local auto parts place. I’ve changed the pads in all my cars using the C clamp so I shouldn’t have any problems after watching your video and using the new tool. again thank you very much!
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Sure thing! The C-Clamp should work fine in the front, but yes, you'll need some kind of windback tool for the rear. Usually they are called a brake rewind tool or brake wind-back tool. On Ebay/Amazon, they are typically available for about $30. Good luck with the repair!
@chriscruz985 Жыл бұрын
I actually just did my the other day. I used a needle nose to rotate the piston and the c-clamp to push in the rest. Worked perfectly
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
@@chriscruz985 That's a clever approach without requiring any special tools!
@Andre.....Ribeiro11 ай бұрын
Obrigado ...ótima explicação
@MrAngeeeeeeel Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy that these cars will work with three of these methods and the 4th is a toss up. My car does not work with the wind back tool at all. It needs to be reset by using the scanner, 12V, or removing the motor and manually turning. My friends car works perfectly fine with the wind back tool.
@riverboat28 Жыл бұрын
What if it fired out while doing a brake job. Working that one out right now. Piston completely popped out while I was trying to check why I couldn't reset. Ugh thanks bro. You definitely helped me with the other side until I did something wrong and found brake fluid and and a nice clean piston on the ground.
@riverboat28 Жыл бұрын
Really messed up this one and have a happy foot.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
@riverboat28 Did just the outer piston pop out? If that is the case then you should just be able to align the outer piston with the inner piston/nut and then carefully force the piston back in past the square cut seal. Then you will have to bleed the brake caliper of course. If the inner piston/nut came out then that is a harder problem as likely the ball bearings came out. I am not sure what to do in that case, aside from getting a new caliper. What caused the outer piston to pop out? Did someone press the brakes repeatedly with the caliper off the vehicle? In that case, it could be that just the outer piston came out. However, if the piston popped out because the motor was driven fully in that direction, then there is a good likelihood that the inner piston/nut also came out.
@Hernandez-kl2oq8 ай бұрын
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@carlsvz Жыл бұрын
How do you put those bearing back.. ? It happened to me today and i panic that all the bearing came out and i had to run to dismantler and get another one... since I used a battery with some wires and i connect the polority to push the piston out.. finally i removed the motor and unwind by hand
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I do not know how to put the ball bearings back in. That is why I said in the video not to push the piston out all of the way. Sorry!
@paulos9304 Жыл бұрын
One thing. I've not seen anyone mention. Is the handbrake on or off before you start. Does it make any difference. Got my HRV to do but no one has ever mentioned if handbrake is on if off at the very start of the job
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Hi Paulo, In my case, the handbrake (parking/emergency brake) was OFF before I started. Also some models have an automatic parking brake engagement in Park and this was also not enabled in my case. If the parking brake is on then you won't be able to remove the caliper without first winding it back. This means that you wouldn't be able to wind back the piston using a windback tool because you wouldn't be able to get access to the piston without removing the caliper first. However, you could still wind back the piston with a bidirectional scan tool, by taking off the motor and turning the shaft, or by manually running the motor in reverse via test leads. This will effectively disengage the parking brake when you wind it back. After reinstalling the parking brake will automatically self-adjust when you engage it the first time. So in summary, if you want to use the windback tool, you will need to ensure that the parking brake is off before you start. If you use one of the other methods, you could start either way. It makes the most sense to me just to make sure that the parking brake is off before you start.
@paulos9304 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY hi John. Thanks for the quick reply. I've not seen any mention of this. I think it's kinda important if doing the rear brakes. Mine is a 1.6 diesel ex, 6 speed manual, being in the UK that's the spec. I've not done these electronic type handbrake things before. I don't have the diagnostics but I do have a wind back tool for the brakes. I'm going to have some fun tomorrow doing the disks and pads all round. Hopefully it works and no lights on the dash lol. Good informative video. 👍
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
@@paulos9304 Yep, I agree, it is a good point! Just to provide some confirmation, on my 2018 Accord, the service manual procedure to remove the rear brake rotor is: 1. Vehicle - Lift. 2. Rear Wheel - Remove. 3. Parking Brake - Release. Note, if the automatic parking brake function is turned on, do the temporary cancel automatic electric parking brake. Wow, I didn't even know they made a diesel HRV! That's neat! Good luck with the repair - let us know how it goes!
@paulos9304 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIYHi John. I've not managed to get it done yet but tomorrow Monday is looking the day to do it as it's a public holiday over here. Yer the 1.6 i-dtec is great on fuel. High 50s low 60s if driven sensibly. European market the diesels I think. Same as the CRV although now Honda have stopped diesel in new models. Petrol or petrol/electric. I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow. Hopefully all goes well lol.
@northernoutdoorsmandave9067 Жыл бұрын
John, after the piston is turned in clockwise and pushed in flush,do you turn the piston counterclockwise prior to installing new pads and caliper? Thanks for your help on this matter.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, Nope, You just turn the piston in clockwise and then press the piston in the remainder of the way. After that you are all set to put the new brake pads in and reassemble. Once you are done with the brake job, if you put the parking brake on and then off, it will calibrate and drive the inner nut the correct distance outward for the new pads.
@northernoutdoorsmandave9067 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY Thanks John
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
You bet, and good luck with the brake job. Let us know if any questions come up! We DIYers need to stick together!
@markhilsen2700 Жыл бұрын
I’m doing the rear pads & rotors on my 17 MDX. This is by far the most helpful video I found. Thanks 👍
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment Mark!
@BB-rh6ok3 ай бұрын
Do i need to get a new caliper if the motor spinned so much that the top piston was wiggly loose. Or can i use a wind tool to push it back in?
@JohnsDIY3 ай бұрын
Did the motor spin OUTWARD too much or just INWARD? If the inner piston just retracted and left the outer piston wiggly loose, then you should be fine. You should be able to just push the outer piston back in over the inner piston. However, if the inner piston was forced out too far (running the motor in the reverse direction from retracting it so the inner piston was pushed OUT rather than IN) then you will probably need a new caliper if the inner piston was pushed out enough that it lost its ball bearings from the ball screw mechanism.
@ch4nb0y4 ай бұрын
Do you have to remove the rear brake? Can’t you just turn the car battery on so it loosens the grip?
@JohnsDIY3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I am not sure what you mean by "just turn the car battery on"? Turning off the parking brake off alone does not retract the inner piston all the way. It pulls the piston back just enough to allow it to spin freely (so that it will be quick to turn on the next time you use it rather than having to travel its full range). Let me know what you mean though as I might not be fully understanding your comment.
@parminderjohal2504 Жыл бұрын
Hello john, after I install the break do I need to pump the break pedal, before I turn on off the parking brakes
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Hi there, I don't think the order matters, but I would recommend both pumping the brake pedal until it is firm and turning the parking brake on and off a few times. I prefer to pump the brakes first as this drives out the piston hydraulically, and then when you put the parking brake on it drives out the inner piston mechanically to match. But, I think it is okay in either order.
@kulwinderjohal2385 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY thank you
@bigred5393 Жыл бұрын
Ok thanks Johns DIY you hit it right on the nose. sharing your gift of knowledge with others is a God Send.when you give you shall treceive ,may you stay healthy and safe God Bless you and your family.. To help your brothers with a helpful video for all to help themselves
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
@@bigred5393 Thanks for the very kind comment! And I wish you all the same in return! Thanks Big Red!
@Brandon-du9xz Жыл бұрын
If the piston is keyed and turns the motor back in, what keeps the piston from turning when it moves out ?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Great question! Normally there are pegs on the back of the brake pad which mate with indents in the piston and thereby prevent the piston from rotating. However, I say "normally" because at least on my Accord, the piston has indents on it, but to my surprise, there are no mating pegs on the OEM brake pads! The only thing I can think is that the lubricated ball screw mechanism in these calipers produces so little rotational force due to its low friction that just the resistance of the square cut seal is sufficient to keep the piston from rotating. In contrast, the standard ball screw mechanisms on previous generations (with traditional threads, not balls) likely generated more rotational force. But that is just my guess. On the workbench anyway, the squarecut seal does produce enough resistance to keep the piston from rotating - when activated the piston pushes out with no rotation.
@Brandon-du9xz Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY thank you, and yes I saw that on the bench , I was one of the two who stayed for the entire video lol Great job on the video and I can also vouch the turn in method works and in my opinion even though I have sets of wires for jumping pins and a power probe tool I think this is safer and quicker sense you'll have to press the piston in manually anyway. Thanks again good day sir
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Haha! Appreciate that Brandon! And thanks for the confirmation that the turn-in method works for you too. I agree seems like a good way to go to me!
@thomasz9226 Жыл бұрын
Just so i understand right, the first option in the video, you dont even need to unplug the electric plug if you dont want, you just pop the caliper off the rotor, and just get the tool to twist the caliper piston in, and once it stops, you compress it the rest of the way. Thats all? No other special steps needed? No scan tools or nothin?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, yes, that is exactly correct. You can simply remove the caliper, wind the rotor back as far as it goes, and then press it back the other way. Before you start, you should turn off the parking brake and make sure there is some room in the brake fluid reservoir. You are correct, there is no need to remove the plug. The only reason I removed it was to give a little more working room. I used exactly this method (although I did unplug) in this brake job video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/na1ohbp5rp2VYpc.html
@thomasz9226 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY thank you sir!
@anthonytsui7821 Жыл бұрын
thank you nice
@kennylavay849211 ай бұрын
question here. when using a scanner to retract the EPB after pushing back the piston, should you leave the scanner in the on position or can or should you shut the key off on the vehicle then replace the pads then turn the scanner back on to reset the EPB or does it not matter ?
@JohnsDIY11 ай бұрын
Yes, you can retract the EPB with the scantool, then turn off the vehicle, change the brakes, then turn the vehicle back on and then reset the EPB with the scantool. In fact, this is the recommended approach in the service data using the HDS (Honda scan tool). When you do the retract ("ENTER BRAKE PAD MAINTENANCE MODE") all that happens is that the motor in the parking brake is run in reverse until it hits its stop. When you do the reset ("BACK TO NORMAL MODE") operation, all that happens is that the motor turns in the forward direction and pushes the inner piston out until the brake engages and then backs off slightly.
@cemalkeles89038 ай бұрын
Method 4. After removing the brake caliper motor Is the socket you tighten before pushing the piston 8 mm torque or 9 mm torque?
@JohnsDIY8 ай бұрын
I just checked and it is actually a 12mm External Torx socket to turn the shaft after you remove the motor.
@Jdm_fl55 ай бұрын
@@JohnsDIYi didn’t have that special socket but a regular 9mm hex socket fits snug enough to turn it clockwise by hand.
@JohnsDIY5 ай бұрын
@@Jdm_fl5 Thanks! That is good to know for folks who don't have the Torx socket! It doesn't take much force so I am sure anything that fits should work fine as there should be no worries about stripping it or anything! Thanks!
@LarryMcDonald08 Жыл бұрын
Do you have a link for your scan tool that you used in the video?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
The scan tool I used was Autel MS906. I have had it quite a while and think there might be better options out there now. The ability to do things like retract the caliper (and control other functionality via the PCM) is usually referred to as "bidirectional control" in the scan tool literature. Here's a link to the one I used: www.auteltechshop.com/wholesale/autel-maxisys-ms906-auto-diagnostic-scanner.html
@GWKen10 ай бұрын
Does the left side rotate in the same direction as the right side? In my Lincoln, one side rotates clockwise to retract, and the other side is counterclockwise
@JohnsDIY10 ай бұрын
That's interesting - I didn't know that some vehicles did that! On the Honda, both sides screw in clockwise.
@saper211007 ай бұрын
question After replacing pads motor isn’t working when I press brake button, any idea what happened? Do i have to hook up computer to reset?
@JohnsDIY7 ай бұрын
Is this a 10th gen Accord? I believe they shouldn't require any computer reset. They should work immediately and reset to the correct position the first time that the parking brake is applied. Are you sure the parking brake electrical connector is fully plugged in (if it was removed)? Are you getting any codes or lights on the dash?
@Carloscda40 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! Rushing because a storm was starting I forgot to put the car in Aux so I still had about an inch to go before the caliper would go over the breaks. I didn't have that brake caliper tool so I was trying everything to get that piston back. I pressed the brake and set the e brake so I could start over and same outcome? I even took the back off the caliper and turned the shaft like you show here, it gets to a certain point and stops and still no progress. I ordered that tool which should be here Mon. I'm going to try that but if nothing happens I'm just going to order another caliper being that brake fluid was leaking from the boot maybe because I had the caliper upside down? Any suggestions?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure I fully understand, but when you screw the piston back in, it is normal for it to stop turning at some point before the piston is all the way back in. At this point, the INNER piston is fully retracted but that does NOT mean that the outer piston is retracted. But to retract the outer piston from that point, you should be able to just push it straight back in (without rotating it). So from the sounds of it, that should be all you need to do just push the piston straight back in the rest of the way. You could do this with a windback tool or even a C-Clamp (just be careful to not put the other end of the C-Clamp on the plastic motor housing). Brake fluid should not be leaking from the boot no matter what orientation you had the caliper in. There is a square cut seal around the circumference of the piston which seals it from leaking. If the brake fluid is coming out there it indicates that the piston was forced out too far (entirely out of the caliper) or a problem with that seal.
@Carloscda40 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY Thank you for your reply! When I did the Right rear it when smooth using needle nose pliers to wind the piston back in. It was a tight fit but as you stated it needed to be pushed back in further. The C Clamp I have is to small. I ordered a brake caliper kit which should be here tomorrow. ** the piston was forced out too far (entirely out of the caliper)** Is exactly what happened. I put the E brake on trying to start the whole process over. I was able to turn the piston back in a bit but it stopped with alot of room to go. Tomorrow I'm going to use the kit and try to push the piston back in. Would you say the damage is already done because the fluid was leaking out and I just need to order another caliper? Thank you again for your response!
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
@@Carloscda40 Just because brake fluid was leaking out doesn't mean the caliper needs to be replaced. It is possible to take the outer piston completely out and put it back in and have it work fine again (after bleeding). HOWEVER, if the inner piston came out too far then that could be a real problem. As I show in the tear-down in the video, if the inner piston/nut comes out too far, you will lose the ball bearings that it rides on and it probably won't be possible to get them back in (at least I don't know how to reinstall them). In your case, turning on the ebrake without having the pads in there likely would have driven that inner piston out. I would be worried that you very well might have lost the ball bearings in this case. In that case, unfortunately, you will probably have to replace the caliper. If that is NOT the case, and you do manage to push the outer piston in, you will at least want to bleed the brake caliper since having the piston out likely introduced air into the brake system.
@Carloscda40 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnsDIY I didn't notice that piston nut out far enough for the bearings to fall out and I didn't see anything on the ground. Yes I do plan on bleeding the brakes as well. To be on the safe side I called various Honda dealers to order another caliper, end result they all said theirs a nationwide back order on them and they have no eta when they will be back in stock! I did however track a 2019 caliper down from a salvage yard. Weather permitting I will install it tomorrow. Thank you again!
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
@@Carloscda40 Geez, what a pain that we still have those supply issues at this point! Good luck with the install!
@garyrhea8507 Жыл бұрын
Did you try to unplug the electrical connection while the car is running so it will not let the piston come out?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Good question! But unfortunately I do not believe that would work. The issue is that the piston does not retract all the way even when the car is running. It only retracts just enough to take the pressure off the pads. This way when you engage the parking brake it is very quick since the piston only has to travel a short distance. If it retracted all the way each time then there would be a much longer delay when engaging the parking brake. As a result, even if you unplug the brake motor with the engine running, the piston is not fully retracted and generally won't be retracted enough to fit in a new set of pads that are much thicker than the old worn ones. In fact, you don't even have to disconnect the electrical connector when the car is running, you can just turn off the car without engaging the parking brake and the piston will be in the same position as if you unplugged the connector with it running (and the parking brake off). In either case, the parking brake piston will be pushed out just barely shy of pressing on the brake pads.
@Romenet310 Жыл бұрын
Man. I’m in a pickle. My piston is stuck out after the electronic brake engages. I was able to use the adapter to twist it back in almost half way but it’s still not far enough to get a compress tool on. I disconnected the plug and did the fever polarity trick and although it made noise it didn’t really seem to help. I was able to twist father but still not far enough to get a compress tool on. I now have the actuator off and if go clockwise like you show in this video it just keeps turning and never stops like you mentioned. Any ideas? I think I’m screwed.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Oh, bummer. How did that happen, did you turn on the electronic parking brake when the caliper was off the vehicle or something? If the piston physically stopped rotating (hit a hard stop) then that likely means that the inner piston is fully retracted and you just have to push the outer piston in. Can you get in between the piston and the ears of the caliper with a pry bar and see if you can start the piston moving back in until there is room to fit in a caliper tool? You might be able to use a C-Clamp to press it in if you can ge a c clamp in there but be careful to not damage the plastic casing of the servo motor on the back of the caliper. What kind of press-in tool are you using? There are some really thin ones available - the kind with a flat metal bar and screw knob in the middle: shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/performance-tool-disc-brake-pad-spreader-compresses-inner-pad-and-resets-piston-for-easy-pad-replacement-w209/11957856-p Maybe you can get something like that in there? I think you might still be okay. The real problem would be if the inner piston came all the way off. I think it should still be possible to get the outer piston pushed in. Also, if it came all the way out it might not be aligned perfectly and that could prevent it from sliding in, so make sure it looks well lined-up.
@kiboendo3146 Жыл бұрын
So it is only true that the cylinder can be returned back with a tool that pushes and rotates the cylinder. The internet said that this is wrong and that you can destroy the mechanism in the rear brakes. I was wondering why the cylinder has two round grooves, like rear brakes with a normal handbrake. I have a civic 1.5T car and will push them back in this way, the easiest way.
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Yes, I have successfully used that method (windback tool which rotates and presses) on my Honda Accord with no issues. I don't know for certain if your Civic uses a similar caliper but would imagine so. Officially, Honda service data suggests using a scan tool to enter "Maintenance Mode" to retract the piston and then using a tool to push the piston in the remainder of the way. Alternatively, Honda service data says that if you aren't using the HDS (Honda's scan tool) then removing the parking brake actuator and using a TORX socket to turn the spindle back is an alternative method. However, if you look at the teardown and cross-section in the video, I think you can convince yourself that rotating the piston in accomplishes the same goal. The only possible downside of this method that I can see is that you have to be careful to ensure that the dust boot is spinning freely on the piston so that it doesn't bunch up as you rotate the piston. This wouldn't be a concern for methods that don't rotate the piston, so perhaps that is why they are recommended. However, it is not a big deal to ensure that the boot is spinning freely just as was done on all the older style calipers with the manual parking brakes.
@maconmillsaps2549 Жыл бұрын
So I used the turn back tool method and after changing the brakes the left side isn’t working now? Is there a way to get it unstuck or what can I do now?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "isn't working now"? What is not working? Does the parking brake not engage on that side? The brake on that side doesn't engage at all (with the brake pedal)? What are you seeing?
@mikeneff8324 ай бұрын
So you don’t need to spin it in you can c clamp it with old pads ?
@mikeneff8324 ай бұрын
Never mind I kept watching and your legit thank so damn much you have no idea how bad I’ve been needing to do these rear pads and now rotors thanks to you I don’t need to do the calipers
@JohnsDIY4 ай бұрын
@@mikeneff832 Sorry for the delay! Yep, you do have to rewind the inner screw in some fashion (by rotating the piston, applying 12V to the motor to spin it, removing the motor and spinning the shaft, or via a scan tool). Once the inner piston is retracted then you can just push the outer piston in the rest of the way. Good luck with the brake job!!
@zacharysears3323 Жыл бұрын
Hey if you take off that but on the piston could you add back those bearings and it work?
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
If you take off the piston, I am sure there is a way to load the ball bearings back in but I don't know the trick and it is definitely going to be a challenge I would say. There are lots of tiny balls and a spring which appears to put tension on them. I think it will be very hard to get back together.
@michaelharacopos6550 Жыл бұрын
How did you take the boot off? Mines glued on or something. It’s ripping in pieces
@JohnsDIY Жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, It is on very tight. I was able to put a screwdriver at the edge of the boot where it mates with the caliper and give it a few whacks with a small hammer which forced it off.
@agustinherrera560010 ай бұрын
I really thought you needed to use 12 volts or the scanner . Didnt know you could wind it back just like any other ither car
@JohnsDIY10 ай бұрын
Yep, I wasn't sure about it either until I dug into it. Pretty handy that they designed it to work fine either way!
@agustinherrera56009 ай бұрын
@@JohnsDIY good to know . Thanx for the explanation
@Felix16592 ай бұрын
I just force it manually 😂
@cemalkeles89038 ай бұрын
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@JohnsDIY8 ай бұрын
I just checked and it is actually a 12mm External Torx socket for driving the shaft.