.357 Sig is outstanding(outperforms 10mm ime) and you can run .357 sig in your .40 with just a barrel change. Forget about the 9mm rhetoric about increased terminal performance, increased capacity and the flat out lie About less bullet development with .40s&w. With a great load like these Winchester Ranger T’s(bonded ammo) it’s a 1 shot and they’re done deal many times with .40 My M&P 1.0 holds 15 rounds in the mag, that’s a hellava lot of capacity. Godspeed

Yep, and people forget from the FBI tests saying 9mm is adequate that the FBI was using modern HPs +P out of a 4.5 inch barrel. That's a little different than a regular or low recoil 9 coming from a 3 inch barrel subcompact that a lot of people carry.

Thank you, good real life results.! 🇺🇸 🙏 👍

This rhetoric about 9mm increased terminal performance has become dangerous with Tons of people abandoning .40 for 9mm or buying 9mm for their first instead of buying a .40 they could shoot just as well in many peoples case. Also, the downright lies that their is allot more bullet development for 9mm and that their hasn’t been bullet development recently for .40 is dangerous. The capacity argument for 9mm is absolute bullshit as well! My M&P 1.0 holds 15 rounds of .40 or .357 Sig which is only 2 rounds less than a 9mm with less real world stopping power as you and I both know. Even Sig Sauer themselves has abandon their own outstanding invention .357 Sig and stopped making ammo for it. Sig is laughing all the way to the bank with all the 9mm’s their selling! Godspeed

@ryanjofre people just read the FBI report blindly. They don't look at the data for themselves or critically think about it. The same bullet designs in a 9mm are in every other caliber. Yeah, 9mm may be a more effective round now and may be a decent base line. But that also means every other caliber gets the same bump. And given that I'm not a commando or body guard putting down suppressing fire with my pistol, I would much rather make sure each round is as effective as possible for the frame I'm carrying. If I need a small, pocketable gun, a 9mm+p probably is the better option, especially given that most micro .40s etc. are no longer made except for smith and wesson shield. But if I can carry even Glock double stack subcompact size, give me the .40 or .357 sig.

@@ProudPatriot1944 If I was doing security where laying down suppressive fire as you said would word I’d happy with a full Size MP-5 (a high quality semi auto clone from MKE would be fine) with a side folding or telescoping stock, hi quality sling, suppressor, HK German made 30 round mags & a bonded HP like Hornady critical duty or Win. Ranger talon. The HP’s need it be tested extensively and the Mp-5 needs to properly broken. 9mm gives your more with more barrel length. In fact, for optimum performance with 9mm you need a 16” barrel so pistol caliber caribe’s aren’t actually a joke! A 15 shot Full size .357 Sig or .40 (or a Compact Glock) with fancy ass loads to backup the MP-5 and a lightweight 5 shot Ruger LCR with 125 grain .357 mag bonded HP’s in an ankle holster to backup the Full-size or compact. The recoil on the LCR is ALLOT but I use is as an emergency backup only or a fishing/camping piece. If it wasn’t for the lesser capacity and cumbersome size I’d 100% opt for a .357 Magnum 8 shot revolver with 6” barrel ..non-ported is great with 125 grain binder HP’s again. Even after all these years the .357 Magnum is a phenomenal performer and especially with a longer barrel. With all of the amazing HP’s to choose from nowadays the 125 grain Load is a serious man stopper that can penetrate doors and windshield very well with a bonded bullet like Win Talon or Hornady critical duty as I’ve mentioned previously. I’m 44 now, I’ve been shooting since I was 12 in the scouts. My best friend and I are fortunate to be born and raised in Albuquerque NM. We use to drive to the desert and conduct lots of real world ballistic tests on a regular basis in the early 2k’s. We concluded that AR-15s are highly reliable as long as they’re are properly lubricated, 12 Gauge Rubber buckshot is amazing, 7mm Rem mag is the best balance of range, recoil, cost and ballistic coefficient in the magnum calibers, good ole .308 is awesome and the slightly increased penetration and range of .30-06 isn’t worth the longer action vs .308 & we also concluded…… ……As long as one can handle the sharp recoil of .40 it absolutely blows 9mm out of the water and with the proliferation of full size .40’s holding 15 and High quality .40 compacts the extra 2 rounds with Full size 9mm vs .40 isn’t worth it! You can even use .40 for defense against Bears with the amazing 130 Grain Woodsman from G9 ammo. It’s expensive as hell but it’s nasty and the penetration is confidence inspiring. 100% not for home defense, to much over penetration. I’ve shot and tested allot of .357 Sig over the years. It’s a fantastic load. It didn’t accomplish the goal of .357 Magnum revolver ballistics from an auto but it came close enough to impress. The Recoil with .357 Sig is not scary or bad for newbs contrary to popular myth! It’s an absolute disgrace that Sig stopped making the ammo. They’re tl busy selling overpriced 9mm’s as fast as they can. I miss my Sig P226 9mm. It’s one of the greatest semi auto pistols ever made but I don’t like it in .40. If you Check Gunbroker you can find awesome deals on Full-size & Compact Glocks & M&P’s because of the immense demand for 9mm and pathetic demand for .40/.357 Sig. New full size M&P CORE pistols that should be selling for $750 shipped are going for $480 shipped. God bless you and yours form a god loving USA Patriot and family man who’s hurting something fierce as I lost my magnificent father 3 months ago. 🙏🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸

Thank you, I appreciate it very much!! I'm glad u enjoy them. I have too much fun making em. Thanks again buddy!!

Agreed

@@Rucker99 Same questions brother. I haven't seen any department switch from 40 to 45. Usually from 40 to 9mm. Pretty cool though!

I've used the 135gr and 150gr underwood with the nosler in .40. Great performance from both, but I preferred the 150gr. Have a wonderful day.

Also you don't want over penetration you want all the pedals to open for this particular round, penetrations for animals

I prefer the 200 grain 450 SMC controlled expansion who are the 185 grain 450SMC far more foot-pounds of energy 750 actually I would love to see the 40 caliber or the 357 sig even approach those type of energies

​@@user-os6dx1cz6sYeah yeah, I prefer .429 Desert Eagle, but you know, we are talking real world here.

Thank you!! Definitely a awesome round. I also carry the 180gr ranger t when I carry the .40 and feel very comfortable. Thank again!!

Best round u can buy actually

Agreed. I had the Gen4 and I like the Gen5 a lot better. It's a fantastic firearm.

If you ever get the chance to shoot a Beretta PX4 Storm in .40, do it. Felt recoil is 20-30% less than Glock.

@@iHumanist I doubt that with the new gen5 g23.

Nice, great choice!! Specially out of a full size. Definitely one nasty round. Thank you buddy😁

Thank you!! Prolly one of my favorite rounds to test in any caliber. Always nasty lol.

Want to see them in full potential try 357sig!!! 💪 🏆

Thank you so much my friend, always appreciate the feedback and compliments!! Very much appreciated!! Glad u enjoy them😁 Thanks again!!

​@@AzAirgunner. I use both, depending on the gun, but prefer the heavier weights. Hello from Kingman!

Thank you so much, I really appreciate that a lot!! I'm glad u enjoy them. I have a blast making them. Thanks again my friend!! Plenty comin😁.

Thank you!! Appreciate u checkin it out😁👍

Thank you buddy!! I love the .40, if I can find the bonded version I will absolutely get a test up. Thanks again😁

The Ranger T’s do come bonded. I shoot 180 grain bonded in my .40 and 124 grain bonded +P in my 9mm.

Thank you very much, I appreciate that a lot!! I love the .40 and t-series ammo too. Can't go wrong. Definitely plenty coming. Thanks again my friend!!

Thank you very much I appreciate that!! Glad u are enjoying the channel. Plenty on the way😁👍.

Nice. Thank you, appreciate the support!!

Thank you!!

Thank you sir!!

Thank you, appreciate u checkin it out!!

Is recoil a bit snappy with those light rounds?

Thanks buddy!!

Thank you very much, I appreciate the support and u checkin it out!! Plenty on the way😁👍.

Yeah its a awesome round but usually very difficult to find. When u do u have to grab it right away cause it usually doesn't last long. Thanks for checkin this one out buddy!!

Thank you!! Appreciate ya!!

Why is 180gr too heavy for .40? What does that mean? Everyone says this and noone has ever given me a reasonably difinitive answer.

No expert but done many test .the 180 is a lot slower .165 gives good expansions with decent penatration. Some 180 may fail to open up and expand or over penetrate.

@hopebrowning6300 Are you talking w/ compact or full size pistol too? The ammo I use in 180gr are fine. And I watch Tools&Targets do a lot of tests as well w/ no problems.

Wrong! T is not bonded ! They make a bonded version , just like the pdx1/defender.T is like the old black talon / sxt.don't penetrate far because of massive expansion. Sad part clothing stops over half of them from opening up .one of the best looking , performing round , when it works , sadly less that 50% of the time if clothes is hit

Yea ..sucks .ome of the best rounds when it expands but clothes stop it over half the time .they all do t/pdx1/defender, bonded all do it .9mm and 45 the worst .

Try OpticsPlanet I just picked up 3 boxes earlier this week. We're $22.99 a box. It's a very good round , the expansion was amazing. Almost the size of a quarter. Have a wonderful day.

40 is far ahead of .45 amd nine .sadly folks can't think for themselves and listen to what there hero's and favorite KZfaq guys say and what Leo //army uses and why nine is on top and .40 lost in popularity. Any one is free to do there own test , buy a carkus from slaughter house , test 9mm,.40, .45 is all different weights and brands and folks will see the .40 is way better in many different ways .if popular people came out tomorrow and said the .25 auto was the best and le and army etc switched too, 75% of the gun owning population would change also and just swear with modern technology then.25 is just as good or better than 9,40,45 lol..sad people so east deceived and fooled

No sir they have the same head stamp. U will have to throw them on a scale. The 165gr will weigh 244gr as a whole and the 180gr will weigh 260 as a whole. Hope that helps.

Thank you @@AzAirgunner.

Yessir. I did a jug test a while back with the full size and it did really well. I will have a gel test up soon with the full size for ya.

😄 I definitely feel ya on that one. Absolutely one of my favorites too, to tests and just in general. Awesome caliber and round!! I have a bunch of sig tests coming up for ya. Thank you as always my friend, I appreciate u checkin em out!! Plenty on the way😁👍.