40 Year Long Hoax! Piltdown Man Documentary

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8 ай бұрын

The famous Piltdown Man discovery occurred back in 1912, this was a hoax that lasted for 41 years until it was definitively exposed as a forgery in 1953.
The Piltdown Man fraud affected early research on human evolution immensely, as it led scientists down a never ending rabbit hole in the belief that the human brain expanded size before the jaw adapted to the new types of food.
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@Sp33gan 8 ай бұрын

Maybe the fossilised coconut was left from when King Arthur and his knights used them when they didn't have horses? 😁🤣🤔

@barrywalser2384 8 ай бұрын

Yes! 😅🏝️

@Brian-zp1df 5 ай бұрын

Put the lime in the coconut

@michaelstamper5604 4 ай бұрын

Rumour has it there was a clay tablet discovered nearby with the word "Ni" engraved on it. 😄😄

@Sp33gan 4 ай бұрын

@@michaelstamper5604 😜🤣🤣

@Sp33gan 4 ай бұрын

@@michaelstamper5604 Of course, had the site been slightly newer, the tablet would have read Icky icky icky ptang zoo boing.

@oesypum 8 ай бұрын

Despite the fact it was exposed in 1953, didn't stop this 'fact' being taught in schools in the 60's. I live about 50 km from Plitdown, where to this day there is a pub called Piltdown Man, with an image of the'fossils' on the sign outside. Another aspect which held the study of anthropology back, were senoir ibcumbents within the discipline doing everything they could to prevent their theses from being disproved. I studied anthropology around the end of the70's, and it was made quite clear to us, that should we in our finals, stray too far from the accepted status quo, we would fail.

@loke6664 8 ай бұрын

The reason for that is basically racism. Piltdown man showed that humans evolved in Europe while all other evidence they had either pointed towards Africa or Asia (you know, like Java man). We have extensive evidence for Africa now but there are still people who hates that and claim it to be fake. People did believe in the fake because it fit all the current theories back in 1912 and made Europeans feel better of themselves and that is why it persisted. I am sure there are still some conspiracy nutjobs believing it is real and the fossils from Africa are fake even to this day. In fact, I am almost surprised that "Q" never went for that one. ;)

@TheEvolver311 7 ай бұрын

Yeah because you were studying in university not participating in some ground breaking paradigm shifting research. When you learn things in university you are always on all sciences taught the baseline consensus view at the time. It's like me complaining that my computer science courses were judging my grade by how accurately I could demonstrate knowledge of what they taught me.

@jamesregiste960 6 ай бұрын

@@TheEvolver311perhaps you would like to look into the fact that borchadt " discovered" the bust of nefertiti that year,1912, and the Kaiser wilhelm institute soon became the centre for nazi falsification of history in general ,including, Egyptian hoaxes like "nefertiti"?😊

@kelliepatrick519 2 ай бұрын

Paywalls have always been a problem :) But seriously, the public awareness gap was largely due to the limit of information transfer back then (no internet). Complicated by the fact that people only replaced their encyclopedia sets about every 20 years...

@capt.bart.roberts4975 8 ай бұрын

I live in Sussex about twenty minutes away from Piltdown. This is part of local lore, there are many theories of who was involved, and at whose direction. I remember the hoax being revealed when I was very young.

@johnjohnson1709 8 ай бұрын

Some people will do anything for attention. Here in the United States, we have a large population that will believe anything they are told as long as it fits in to what they want to believe.

@otanguma 8 ай бұрын

thats anywhere, einstein

@danielgreen2788 8 ай бұрын

Flat earthers we salute you.

@davevann9795 8 ай бұрын

Conspiracy theorists enjoy being a part of the special group that has the secret knowledge about how Piltdown Man is a true fossil that mainstream archaeologists are trying to discredit because of their nefarious schemes to control the public. They will support any crap "science" that makes them feel part of a special group. It is easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled.

@TheopolisQSmith 8 ай бұрын

Believing what you want to believe is a very human trait. Sadly…

@bigboss-tl2xr 8 ай бұрын

Trump supporters?

@DougRoss 8 ай бұрын

I've been a TV producer over 40 years and would like to offer some helpful advice. Your on-camera delivery is first rate, you really know the subjects of your short videos. By adding archive photos, maps, graphics, and renderings will enhance your narration and keep your audiences learning the topics and important points you are conveying. Now I know editing all those elements take more time but the results will greatly improve the understanding of the subjects you teach.Be well and please continue teaching science. You're an angel.

@catman8965 8 ай бұрын

Mike Oldfield's "Tubular Bells" recorded the song "Piltdown Man" GREAT LYRICS.

@NoBSMusicReviews 6 ай бұрын

My father, Robert Claiborne, wrote many books on anthropology, archaeology, and linguistics. Two of them, although you’d have to buy them used, might interest you, Kayleigh, they are called Climate, Man, and History and God or Beast. Both a little dated by now but still good. I myself was going to be a physical anthropologist Before life intervened. When I was a little boy, my father used to regale me with stories about scientific hoaxes like the Piltdown man. That was his absolute favorite. He would talk about how sloppy the Response to Piltdown man was. How it was obvious, using a microscope, that the teeth have been filed down, and that the jaw has been reprofiled to fit. He often spoke about critical, thinking, and things like Occam’s razor. He taught me to question everything. A good philosophy that has served me well. Keep up the good work. I love your channel.

@jimspace3000 8 ай бұрын

What made this different than other videos on this topic is your inclusion of how Scientology has used it! That was incredible! 😮

@sigurd4092 8 ай бұрын

The Piltdown Arms pub in Piltdown is a great pub always busy tourists still come

@joecanales9631 8 ай бұрын

My first book on anthropology was a comparison between Piltdown Man and Java man. I think it was from the late 60’s. The first half of the book was the fake and it’s evidence and the second half on the validity of good science. (As I recall, it’s been a while since I’ve seen that book). Thanks for your videos, always enjoyed.

@deadkennedy9140 8 ай бұрын

My father-in-law's career briefly overlapped with Smith Woodward. He said he got the impression that it started as a silly hoax that got out of control.

@colinp2238 8 ай бұрын

There is a track on Mike Oldfields 1972 album Tubular Bells, called Piltdown Man.

@theemporersnewclothes 8 ай бұрын

The connection to Scientology is priceless. ⏳

@aldito7586 6 ай бұрын

Actually - Pointless...

@Brian-zp1df 5 ай бұрын

Priceless as in 0

@Brian-zp1df 5 ай бұрын

Lol

@pinkybrown1525 8 ай бұрын

I loved these stories as a kid in the 70's. Late 19th to early 20th century frauds. The Cardiff Giant and the fake viking rune stone in Minnesota.

@loke6664 8 ай бұрын

The Cardiff man really makes you wonder how anyone could believe in that, it is like finding an old statue and believing it is a fossilized human. The Kensington rune stone is to this day still being discussed, it do seem to be a forgery but the runes do have a lot in common with runes from Gotland of the same period which the finder did not have access to which at least leave a little possibility it could be real. it is unlikely and proving otherwise would require new finds actually documented by real archaeologists, but there is still the tiniest possibility left. If it is a hoax (which seems likely) it is a far better job then the Cardiff giant. You also have the Hope stones that is super interesting. They were allegedly made by a survivor from the lost Roanoke colony. The first was found by one guy and after a university offered a cash reward another guy suddenly found a whole bunch of them suspiciously fast and he did make gravestones... All of them are considered hoaxes today, but the first one is actually linguistically correct from the time and looks way more real then all the others. It is possible the fist one is actually real and that the stonecutter read about the cash reward and made a whole bunch of forgeries to cash in which made the allegedly real one seem fake too. Stone artifacts have always had a bit of a problem, they are hard to date and therefor pretty easy to fake and one could wonder how many more fakes are in museums, thought to be real to this day.

@christopherharris6145 8 ай бұрын

Happy upcoming Birthday Kayleigh. I remember hearing the Piltdown Man story when I was a youngling in Britain, but it was nowhere near as well as the lesson you just provided. Thank you..

@neilreynolds3858 8 ай бұрын

We have the same birthday. I remember the exposure of the hoax when i was a kid. It might be what got me interested in paleontology. I do like a good scientific scandal. There was also a nationalistic aspect to the hoax. At the time, the Brits believed that intelligent humans evolved in England. They would, wouldn't they?

@Workerbee-zy5nx 8 ай бұрын

Great content, great research. As always Kayleigh never disappoints. 😎

@stevedenis8292 8 ай бұрын

Just have to wonder how many set backs in human knowledge were caused by greed, politics, religion and hubris. Always ask questions.

@stanley526 8 ай бұрын

I read about the Piltdown man before and the theories as to why he did it. I didn't know about the connection to Scientology. But it figures that Hubbard would use a falsehood to prop up his stories.

@user-cs8vd3il1p 8 ай бұрын

Great video Kayleigh! It was well worth waiting for. :)

@janjager2906 7 ай бұрын

‘…a similar hoax hoax could not occur again?’ Absolutely someone is out there: “Hold my beer…“ 😊

@danielconnelly979 8 ай бұрын

I laid awake many nights contemplating this very thing.

@cascarrabias397 8 ай бұрын

Damn, I got here late. I just want to congratulate you because you are pocking into topics that some people tend to think they are written in stone. Great job. I love it.

@kathleenposton2334 8 ай бұрын

Well done, baby girl! The damage that Piltdown Man inflicted on the discipline of anthropology is an insult to every branch of humana studies.

@kenwalker687 7 ай бұрын

Why are you calling a professional "baby girl"? .....This is terribly disrespectful to any woman that I know.

@nefersguy 8 ай бұрын

Informative post Kayleigh!!

@dougalexander7204 8 ай бұрын

Pilnton Man was bad form. Science is hard enough without forgeries. Please have a happy birthday and enjoy your time off.

@PaulEcosse 8 ай бұрын

Firstly, that blouse / top is amazing. And this is such an important video. I'd like to see more debunking of revised history 👍

@rossallan3585 8 ай бұрын

I used to live just up the road from Piltdown. Not a lot to see, but there’s an excellent farm shop which sells Marmite flavoured sausages.

@abbush2921 8 ай бұрын

Marmite ? I thought that was out lawed under the Geneva Convention ?

@trippknotic 8 ай бұрын

Today the Piltdown hoaxer would have his own KZfaq channel 😆

@rbb9753 8 ай бұрын

And a seat in the US House of Representatives

@kenwalker687 7 ай бұрын

I think he would be too embarrased and humiliated to come out of the closet. He would be ostracised in the scientific community. I would hide from this type of prank.

@danoblue 8 ай бұрын

A very entertaining recap of one of the most famous anthropological hoaxes ever. Dawson seems a lot like Erichj von Daniken, he of the 'Ancient Astronauts' hoax.

@wizardozark2735 8 ай бұрын

Well suddenly the monty python jokes in their quest for the holy grail movie makes total sense lol "well where'd he get the coconuts?"

@KevDaly 8 ай бұрын

Hubbard had even more profoundly ignorant and stupid things to say about radiation.

@patcassidyOutdoors 8 ай бұрын

Happy early Birthday ... your birth enabled the presentation of great facts! Thank you!

@Darisiabgal7573 8 ай бұрын

Good old Woodward.

@mikewoolie5153 8 ай бұрын

Its a sad part of our history that set back further than it should have at the time. Love your stuff. A real education in our era.

@tonnywildweasel8138 8 ай бұрын

Some say that you can easily find the link between monkey and man among soccer supporters ;-) Looking forward to your vid again, Lady Kayleigh !! 🌷oet Grun', T.

@roblloyd1879 8 ай бұрын

I was six when this happened but I remember the aftermath. No family background but always been interested in all forms of science, technology and history.

@gregbrown357 8 ай бұрын

"....fun and sad...." Yep

@ulysisxtr 8 ай бұрын

I love your content, Kayleigh :) Keep up the awesome work! You are amazing!

@NedSonntag 8 ай бұрын

This is kind of Old News but it's, as always, fun to watch Kayleigh report it...

@garrywaterman7570 8 ай бұрын

I’m glad to see that you significantly at least turn down the music in the backdrop while you’re talking I sincerely believe you underestimate the quality of your voice to be able to maintain peoples attention and focus even though you’ve turned it down significantly I still have a difficult time remaining focused, listening to your podcast because of thisyou have wonderful podcast don’t ruin them with music over your talking

@sn3dg3r 7 ай бұрын

I think that I was 8 years old when I visited the Pilt Down Man pub, just near where I lived, dad went off boozing, a local told me the story, absent parenting has made me the skeptic that I am,. Thanks Kayleigh for a link to good old Sussex by the sea x

@stevejohnson3357 8 ай бұрын

It's a lesson in what can happen when scientific thinking crosses paths with a pre-conceived idea. The so called 'Piltdown Chicken' had similar problems relating to theories on the evolution of birds.

@tonnywildweasel8138 8 ай бұрын

I was only able to watch it juat now, and I MUST say: Those quick close-ups in between make it incredibly funny. The fun just blasts off the screen. Big Fat Thumbs Up 👍

@karijuleppanen 8 ай бұрын

Thank You Kayleigh! Your'e absolutely brilliant in your research and the humor you put in these videos. I learned a lot.

@Blakeyboy123434 8 ай бұрын

Very formal and informative! Keep up the great work!

@jonwashburn7999 8 ай бұрын

I remember reading about this as a child. I wonder if this has had lasting negative effect on the field of study?

@drewharrison6433 8 ай бұрын

Yes. Because anti science young earth creationists latched onto this hoax to "show that anthropology is false". Of course it wasn't theologians that discovered and exposed the hoax, it was anthropology and science.

@lizmontii2512 8 ай бұрын

Happy early birthday! Love your videos. Have a great time.

@jamessmith4229 8 ай бұрын

I find your videos both informative and entertaining. Your sense of humor seems to match my own. Take that as a compliment. Eagerly awaiting your Neanderthal documentary.

@garrymilner3294 8 ай бұрын

I cannot remember the first time I heard about the Piltdown Man. I did not know all of the other stuff that went along with the hoax. Congrats on the KZfaq plaque on the table. I am looking forward to the Neanderthal man vid. interesting

@EarthworriorVanArkelen 8 ай бұрын

Ik had al eens gelezen dat er froude in het spel was . Maar dat zoveel mensen met deze froude te maken hadden wist ik niet. Hoe snel de leugen is de waarheid haalt je altijd in👌🏼groetjes uit Vlaardingen 🇳🇱🇳🇱

@davidcreager1945 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for a very facinating video , Kayleigh ! It's amazing what you can get away with , when you tell people what they want to hear . Have a great day 🌹

@OneWhoWalksAlone 8 ай бұрын

Excellent. I look forward to your future work. Be well.

@smedleyx 8 ай бұрын

Scientists are human, or humanoid, they can possess the same foibles as the rest of us with character deficiencies; dogma ("lack of evidence is proof of non-existence dammit") or confirmation bias, etc. They can cheat too ~ look at all the incidents of fabricated data in recent years. Greed or celebrity, probably. Piltdown is one of those incidents that should be remembered and revisited in all its details to keep us honest and humble (so thanks Kayleigh!).

@Rexodus014 8 ай бұрын

. Sooooo . . . It has been confirmed that there have been people going "NUTS" ( As in Coconuts ) since a long time ago . . . ! ! ! 🤔! ( Thank You , Kayleigh , for another interesting, informative, and FUN expedition back through time ! )

@jeffbelttari5627 8 ай бұрын

Yes this is going to be fun.

@jameswinburn6843 4 ай бұрын

When I went to grade school in Aurora, Illinois in 1955 we used a science textbook that still claimed the Piltdown man was a human ancestor. I guess it took several more years for the school district to realize it needed updating. I recall being pretty skeptical about a human who had a huge, out of place jaw. What possible use did that hominid have for such a strong lower jaw that met a normal weak upper denture? I'm amazed that a grade school kid could doubt the claim while so called scientists accepted it and textbook publishers put it in their books.

@KLiCuk1 8 ай бұрын

12:58 .. and here's me thinking butter wouldn't melt in your mouth 😆😆

@johnsieverssr8288 8 ай бұрын

Thank you, Kayleigh ... I enjoyed your program... ❤️

@cyankirkpatrick5194 7 ай бұрын

This is one of my favorite hoaxes next to the Cardiff giant of Cardiff New York, unbelievable

@FredtheFrisian 8 ай бұрын

Such a frustration for Raymond Dart who found Australopithecus africanus fossils in South Africa, which walked upright but had small brains. The early days had such crazy stories; for instance Eugène Dubois, a doctor from our country who just had "the hunt for the missing link" as his hobby, decided to search for fossils in Indonesia and .... he found Homo Erectus fossils !! Talk about luck !

@Zach2Wheels 8 ай бұрын

You said Weiner and hesitated 😂 also saw that mirco laugh. 10:06

@MrGaborseres 8 ай бұрын

Greetings Kayleigh👋 🌴

@Eyes_Open 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video.

@dawnwebb4183 3 ай бұрын

I love watching your channel. It's a little dry, but I like that I can trust that the information you post is well researched and reviewed.

@viktormogilin307 8 ай бұрын

Hi, Looking forward to the fact that I see them everytime I go to the supermarket, I live an hr out & you notice everything when you come into town, neanderthal géne's are still either dominant in certain familiae or are they just kept in the family 😩😖😶

@surffreq1752 8 ай бұрын

Thanks Kayleigh , great video , really like your fun presentation style , can't wait to see the massive Neanderthals ! Haha 🤙🙏

@davidbrown9784 8 ай бұрын

thank you Kayleigh for another awesome video .

@tiredoldmechanic1791 8 ай бұрын

It was exposed in my youth and used in many cartoons of the 50s. It did lead to major changes in archaeology and a lot more skepticism.

@johnnyfivejmc 8 ай бұрын

And then there's Cheddar Man...

@tonedumbharry 8 ай бұрын

I didn't know Cheddar Man was controversial.

@schorpioen7466 5 ай бұрын

@@tonedumbharryhe is British too 😉

@richardperkins9333 8 ай бұрын

How old was Piltdown Man claimed to be?

@eternaldoorman5228 8 ай бұрын

Oh, what happened to chat? I'm sure I just posted "Good evening Kayleigh and chat" now live chat is gone!

@Aswaguespack 8 ай бұрын

Same happened to me

@barrywalser2384 8 ай бұрын

It was still there. 🤷🏻

@mortified776 8 ай бұрын

The Isle of Scilly has palms which grew from coconuts brought up on the Gulf Stream so finding one in an East Sussex interglacial layer isn't that outlandish. The real question is how many sparrows it took to get it up the cliffs!

@kenwalker687 7 ай бұрын

Only one and his feet were bigger than his wings.

@toweypat 8 ай бұрын

Wow, I didn't know it took so many years before everyone accepted it was a fraud. And I am looking forward to your documentary.

@keeskapteyn314 7 ай бұрын

"Y'done fucked up, dude!" I wanna make a meme out of that!! I love you so much!

@returnofthemack1106 8 ай бұрын

I just hate when people lie about science, especially when they know it didn't happen like that

@leifsonoferik 8 ай бұрын

It could have been fossilized coconuts. They could have been carried by an African swallow or if strung between 2 European swallows. How else could Arthur King of the Brittons have found the coconuts he used for the sound effect of hoof beats as he and his knights searched for the Holy Grail.

@StoccTube 7 ай бұрын

Having spent a weekend in Sheffield, I can believe the missing link was found there… I think they still walk among that population 😀

@billybobholcomb8768 7 ай бұрын

This hoaxe did put in place an improvement to the way we research this topic,. this is at best a silver lining. Sadly the hoaxer is still famous. Even if it is dubiously so. Happy Birthday

@Imdeadlydan 8 ай бұрын

Another awesome video, many thanks Kayleigh. Happy birthday in advance, wishing you a wonderful day and year ahead. Be safe, Candy & Dan 🐶❤🧙‍♂🍄 And all hail that algae rhythm 🎶💃🕺🎶❤

@lascruces-vh4oe 7 ай бұрын

Happy Birthday, Kayleigh!

@thepassdude5173 8 ай бұрын

Another such hoax did occur Kayleigh as recently as 1997 with the "Discovery" of Archaeoraptor in Liaoning Province in the PRC. Believed to be an exciting new discovery of a feathered dinosaur, National Geographic published an article about it just before this fossil was proven to also be a hoax. This became known as the "Piltdown Bird" 😅. Maybe someone will discover a "Piltdown Cat" fossil! 😂😂😂

@roosdad1 8 ай бұрын

Sometimes when I forget to pick up shampoo, my hair feels like chimpanzee.....

@richardwilson861 8 ай бұрын

I am amazed at some scientist who search for fame and not of knowledge. Freud sets the scientific community back years.

@kelliepatrick519 2 ай бұрын

Yes, a cigar is only a cigar when men dream of it....?

@necrosunderground 7 ай бұрын

Hey, Kayleigh, why be flabbergasted that the skull fragment was mistaken for a fossilized coconut in England? Everybody knows if it was a coconut, it was carried there by a swallow. A European swallow, obviously, as an African swallow wouldn't migrate.

@bettyswallocks6411 7 ай бұрын

If anyone thought they were in a position to perpetrate another paleontological prank and they were of that kind of mind, I doubt that they’d avoid it. Although televangelism is also aimed at the gullible and is more profitable, less risky and tax free.

@john-qq7hb 2 ай бұрын

I like to think that Arthur Conan Doyle, (Sherlock Holmes) had something to do with this scam. He wanted to pull off the perfect crime and was the only one to have really financially benefited from the Piltdown man by the interest it generated in his book The Lost World. This book featured an early man species very similar to the Piltdown one, (complete with associated artifacts) and came into publication in 1912, the same year these "fossils" were getting "discovered".

@user-mi7qs3cx2o 8 ай бұрын

Definitely, above average investigations and reporting. Plus your obvious skills of visualization. Equals = don't stop advancing. Therefore; I can safely say, "You Rock!" 😊

@josephjanitorius797 8 ай бұрын

Love your outfit!!! It's labyrinths kept distracting me from the video, so I had to watch the video twice to keep focused on Piltdown Man! 🙃🙃🙃😊😊😊

@uliw3893 7 ай бұрын

you do an amazing job thanks for your work

@michellerenner6880 7 ай бұрын

I think it was very ballsy.

@pnutbutrncrackers 7 ай бұрын

A very early and interesting quote pertaining to Piltdown Man that for some reason is usually overlooked and omitted in overviews of the subject like this video is that of American paleontologist/primatologist William King Gregory in 1914: "It has been suspected by some that geologically the Piltdown specimens are not old at all; that they may even represent a deliberate hoax.” I definitely believe Charles Dawson was culpable. FWIW, I don't rule out the possibility that the deception was perpetrated in tandem with Martin Hinton.

@stephens9772 8 ай бұрын

I’ve always been fascinated about the story around piltdown man.

@ambushpredator7629 7 ай бұрын

Love your vids 🤗

@kenwalker687 7 ай бұрын

Excellent presentation. I remember this controversy from my lower division Anthropology class. Evidence points to Dawson. However, I suspect that there may have been a third party who planted the /faux/ evidence and guided Dawson to search where the hoax evidence was planted. If my memory is correct, Fr . P. Teihard de Chardin said, "It was not Dawson!" Perhaps he heard someone's confession. What better way to discredit the amature Dawson who over-rated his ability & importance.. I think Dawson is innocent of deception but the victim of a bad joke by a pro. Eventualyl, it is like someone wanted the frauds to be discovered (thinking this has gone far enough!), I regret what I have done and planted evidence for Dawson to find w/ additional frauds. Fr. Teihard knew who was culpable but never identified the culpret, IMHO.

@Here618 7 ай бұрын

That is the funniest and craziest true hoax story presentation I have seen (with hilarious Scientology reference). I had never heard all the details and…well…they are “jaw dropping!” 😂 (that was a bad joke)

@Faelani38 7 ай бұрын

I am glad it was exposed as a forgery.

@carriekelly4186 7 ай бұрын

Havent really heard of it. Good point though. Harmful to real archaeology yes. Thanks again. Great work.❤

@carriekelly4186 7 ай бұрын

Anthropology and Archaeology yes yes! My bad!😊

@animisttoo3890 8 ай бұрын

Great episode with a valid warning about the allure of national/cultural partisanship in "science." I'm looking forward to the neanderthal episode. Thank you for these well-thought presentations, and thank you for being you :)