Yeah something like that, but it was interesting to see the results for "middle Europe". Especially for someone from Czechia, cause Czechia in this is interesting case. I was also curious about Poland. And my first thought was i would maybe start drawing a line between Czech and Slovak althou it seperates us and it's questionable :) But that is what was this video about.

If you look at the big oriental influence in the culture of Greece (as in Bulgaria and, partly, Romania, then you realise it is (also) Eastern. Of course, the 40+ years on the "western" part of the iron curtain did have its impact.

@@balak1 the greek culture is greek not oriental

@@TheCyricson Greek culture varies by location, social class, family history and many other factors. People forget that we Greeks have lived in multiethnic countries that spanned most of the eastern mediterranean ever since the peninsula was conquered by the romans. Roman empire then eastern Roman then Byzantine then Ottoman, add Alexander the greats conquests that established links all the way to india and the current European Union, we are bound to have influences by our neighborhood, a neighborhood that we defined. Its not something that makes us less Greek, not at all, its a major benefit, after all we are a seafaring nation since antiquity, we have understood that "Μέγα το της Θαλάσσης κράτος" (Great is the power of the sea/Great states are those who control the sea) (Θουκυδίδης, ιστοριών Α, 143), and if you control the Mediterranean (Like we did, in many many eras) you will get influensed by it and you will be better off.

It's more so about political ideology than geographical location.

But if you consider the denomination is more east/west which makes more sense since more/less religious doesn't mean much if you don't consider what religion you are actually looking at.

Austria and France arent "south"

east/west is how the christian world is divided, the catholic/western-christian world is divided into north/south

@@Maynard0504 If by north you mean Scandinavia then yes

@@pierren___ Austria is sometimes called the Balkan's northernmost country. France can be considered southern because it is on the mediteranean, all the other romance speaking countries are to the south and French Guyana is considered an integral part of mainland France so if you'd take the average point it would end up way more southern than you'd expect.

The East/West divide WAS Cold-War Geopolitics and still is....Otherwise no-one would argue that Czechia, Croatia and Slovenia are Eastern Europe as all are clearly in the Western half of the Continent. The Ukraine and Belarus are actually across the mid-point of Europe NOT Czechia! - People forget that despite most of Russia being in Asia the European part still covers a huge portion of the European Continent!

"Western civilization" is not "Western European culture". Western civilization spans from Lisbon to Vladivostok

If the question is only east/west, its reallt a question of wasavapact. It really makes no sense not calling finland north. But even talking wasava pact there is a few surprices. Turkey is and for a long time been a nato member. 1/4 of germany was wasava pact. Finland and Sweden was neither. Most surpricingly yougoslavia was neither despite being a communist country... well.. kind of communist with some fashist parts. Also while most people know that itally was fashist untill 1945, most people don't know that greece, spain and Portugal was fashist untill 1974/75. Making this really quite a lot more complicated. The history we read in school makes the student belive that fahsism was extermianted in Europe in 1945. This was far from true. While it might be true that the last 3 countries was somewhat of "fashist light" and say yougoslavia was somewhat of "communist light"

Russia doesnt belong to West and will never be. Its different type of civilisation. @@gnas1897

But what about Turkey then? They joined NATO early, supported the US militarily and were far from being communist during the Cold War

Because this was made by an ignorant and/or uneducated person :D

​@@time2132 he's not crying about it. He is simply making a fucking statement.

​@@McNoob69420he's crying.

@@skp8748 no?

@@time2132 it makes no sense lol. Only Istanbul is in Europe, not even whole city tho. When russia has much bigger territory in europe

Glad someone pointed this out

And especially considering the fact that those 40 years of Soviet era divided Europe into East and West one way but historically (before Soviets) the divide was somewhere else. That's especially true for Czechia and Slovakia...

Yeah, I was waiting for them to talk about the iron curtain but no, very incomplete analysis.

Yugoslavia was not part of the Soviet block. Are you saying its successor states should be considered Western Europe?

@@gsvick But it was more or less forced to ally with them. As a eastern European it was somewhat possible to travel to Yugoslavia, but almost impossible to cross its western borders, that's were you felt the iron curtain. Though you probably would not have been shot when trying to cross the green boarder.

Of course greece is east when you consider austria (a more west country) east

I used the Iron Curtain as my indicator + Greece because of the Orthodox faith.

I'm Irish but I voted purely off of geography.

Turkey was not voted west though. I would say Orthodox/Islam background also has a role. And Greece is considered west by some because they think ancient Greece was the origin of Western civilization.

I think the location of the former Iron Curtain does play the biggest role, but culture and history can shift that quite significantly. Estonia and Czechia were both on the east of the Iron Curtain, but Estonia comes across to most people who know anything about it as a Scandinavian country that's just ended up on the wrong side of the Baltic Sea (which is also more or less how Estonia likes to portray itself), and whenever Estonia makes the news in other parts of Europe, it is almost invariably in a positive light, and to do with their tech-based economy, which are things people associate more with Western Europe. Czechia probably has its long historical connection to Austria, and the popularity of Prague as a very Western-looking tourist destination, to thank for being considered more Western than its West Slavic counterparts in Poland and Slovakia. It is also interesting that Germany was considered by over 99% of people to be Western European, despite a significant chunk of it, including the immediate surroundings of the country's capital, having been east of the Iron Curtain. Of course modern Germany is dominated by former West German politics and business, but I would have nonetheless expected Germany to score lower than France, Britain or the Low Countries.

So what is your guess, is Russia Western Europe or not?

@@miroslavdusin4325 Europe natural barrier is Ural. Most population of Russia lives to the west of it. So Russia is an eastern European country.

@@borisnikator7060 Geographically yes but otherwise no, Russia is a different entity than Europe. Which is also why the "tectonic zone" in Eastern Ukraine exists (without going into politics).

@@miroslavdusin4325 Besides geography, Russia is a cultural ancestor of Byzantine Empire so calling it not a Europe is a big stretch. Russia is not a crusader state. And faces the same threat as Byzantine. Actually 4th crusade is what the west is trying to do over and over again, not thinking about consequences.

@@borisnikator7060 Russia claims and wants to be looked at as descendant of Byzantine empire but as always propaganda and reality are far away from each other in Russia. In my view Russia is a mix of influences perhaps also some Byzantine. Especially the young and internationally connected ones identify themselves with Europe and I have absolutely no problem with that, my Russian colleagues are great people, but the majority is rather passive and just now we can see live how strongly they support Hitler's reincarnation.

Non juste voues êtes pareil que l’Europe de l’Est, on parle en divisant le continent seulement en 2

​@@qweakers209nie jesteśmy tacy sami ignorancie

@@Jarocool78 oui oui c’est juste l’histoire de dire ça parce que dire « Est » a une mauvaise image.

@@qweakers209 But an Austria - Osterreich (meaning exactly Eastern Empire) is west 😄

Amen my brother (or sister). I consider old Visegrad countries as Central European and my own country Finland as Nordic, and both culturally "western".

From intuition, I would have put the devide along the cold war lines. But Czechia is the country among them who "feels" most western. So central Europe certainly makes the most sense

Same for Poland

Same for Hungary.

It’s not an insult don’t get so butthurt

yugoslavia had big role? how so?

Absolutely, thought the same but I think he implied it somehow

@@saccount-z3 atleast in America we always treated Yugoslavia as any other communist country, just part of the eastern bloc. I know it’s more complicated with then being far more neutral but most Americans probably said every former communist country was eastern.

I'd guess most of the audience is too young to have experienced the Cold War first hand so it plays less of a role. Turkey today for example is primarily seen as bad at democracy, not as an ally against the Russians.

Spot on! It's a term from the history and a pretty big blunder excluding it from the video unfortunately

Literally. Sure, let’s just ignore about 40% of the entire landmass of Europe, where more than 75% of the Russian population lives.

They are talking about Europe. Georgia and Kazakhstan aren’t Europe and nobody cares about Russia

Most of these are pretty clearly Asian countries, especially Kazakhstan. And Russia is mostly in Asia and would obviously be 99.9% Eastern Europe so there is no point in including it.

Although most people cannot see this, Turkey remained in Europe for a long time. Until 100-200 years ago, there was a high Turkish population in the Balkans scattered around and most of the land was controlled by the Turks. One say they were neighboors with Austria at some point in time and they helped a lot to creation of Balkan culture. And it is still like that. Turkey still have lands and a large population in Europe.

I would have placed Czechia with the Western Europe. I have also visited it.

Poles say that we're Central too

As a Western European who has been to the Czech Republic more times than I can count and can speak the language, I would say this: Prague is most definitely Central and the whole of Bohemia with the exception of some small villages feels 'central european'. Moravia-Silesian regions is where I would say with the exception of Brno, has a distinctly Easern European culture, especially the villages in which you can experience a really rich traditionally 'slavic' lifestyle. Geographically, it is definitely a Central State, and culturally, I think it has a slight Central bias, but there is a definite Eastern European population, which I do not see as a negative.

I would put Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary and Slovenia in 'Central Europe' due to historical German and Austrian influences.

Whenever I hear of central Europe I think of the Visegard group. Poland,Czech,Hungary and Slovakia.

Exactly. It makes me so mad as a portuguese

@@vasco35 Portugal cyka blyat

@@vasco35 probably some British people exercising their right not to have attended school

In a way, Portugal is very far east. If you travel east from Spain through Europe, Asia, the Pacific, North America and all the way through the Atlantic, you will arrive at Portugal.

Portugal by many metrics like GDP and religiosity is eastern European. There's a whole subreddit dedicated to Portugal's similarities to eastern European nations

It often is used to relegate someone into the category of "worse european", pretty often by people claiming to be inclusive and progressive. Quite interesting phenomenon tbh.

In culture, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic states, Finland and even most parts of Ukraine are clearly Western Europe, while Turkey has nothing in common with Europe. Maybe the question catholic/protestant formed culture vs. orthodox culture is a better indicator for Eastern and Western Europe?

Not exactly. Finland didn't necessarily side with the Soviets, but their relationship was definitely closer than with the west. Turkey also sided with the west, joining NATO at the same time as Greece. Similar with Cyprus too.

Aside from Finland, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey and ex-Yu; yea

I would still count the former parts of east Germany into east Europe tho Very cultural divided still

hint hint: don't submit to authoritarian corrupt regimes, they ruin your life.

That's probably how most people devideyhe East and West. 40 years of Cold War made quite a dent in our collective psyche

Excluding Russia, but including Turkey was indeed weird on their part. Considering their cultures and most populous areas, you would expect the opposite to be the case: Russia being considered European, while Turkey being considered (Minor) Asian.

Which is exactly what I think skews the perception. People tend to think that Europe ends at the Russian border (which obviously makes a lot of European countries look more Eastern). But if you consider that giant chunk of Europe in Russia, people would realize that the East/West divide (strictly geographically speaking) would be shifted to the East. AND I also find it odd that there was no mention of Central Europe...

@@Domihork Geographically speaking only eastern European country is Russia (Maybe also Caucasus and Kazakhstan if you consider it European), not even Turkey, and the center of Europe would be in Ukraine

@@user-be1jx7ty7n "Romance dominated" like the "western" countries of Romania and Moldova?;) Also you kinda exclude Greeks and Albanians...

@@TheZett Yeap. Russia is an European country that conquered Asian land, meanwhile Turkey is the opposite.

Also, within Germany itself, about 90% of the population lives in the former West Germany.

Well, the question didnt allow for "center". If the question is West or East, there really isnt any reason to consider Germany East.

@@scifino1 Well, that seems a bit much. It's closer to 75 % with roughly 16 million in East Germany.

@@jrosenthal7111 Yes, that seems more accurate, but still my point is, the large majority of Germans live in the old West.

Bridge sounds good, but is not meant to be. It's a door that stands on the west side of the border.

I understood it the same

Actually Orthodox vs Catolic vs Protestant

@@Xeverous actually it would be catholic vs protestant vs Orthodox vs Muslim (since Bosnia Albania Kosovo and turkey are mostly Muslim)

@@koyba3747 Turkey is not part of Europe

@@syokanaa9356 western Thrace is a part of Europe, so thus a part of turkey is in Europe

What about ex yugoslavia? We were between. 😅

Do you mean 3rd world as in neutral, or 3rd world as in underdeveloped ? Because if it’s in the second sense, that’s not true at all. Those three countries are among the most developed and richest on the continent and already were at the time.

@singingcat02 Throughout the cold War, the third world was neutral countries. Most of whom were woefully undeveloped, except for a few like I mentioned in my comment.

@@singingcat02 Third world counrties means the non-aligned countries in the cold war. Much of those nations were on the underdeveloped parts of the world and thus the association with low development probably started, even though many third world nations have more development than some first and second world contries.

@@ruzicas.5819 you were definitely eastern europe, even though Tito successfully withstood pressure from Stalin and could give yugoslavia it's own path in history , it was still a communism path and not a western path.

That "small" part is where we live mostly. It is economically more developed and geographically bigger than many EU states. Plus you cannot even talk about European history without mentioning Turkey.

Asian only in terms of geographic location, but nothing else. Culturally, genetically, historically, etc. Russia never had anything in common with Asia.

Russia is literally the steeoptype of an Eastern European nations

Russia is European, but Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia are not. They are located on the south side of the Caucasus mountains, so geographically in Asia. Culturally speaking they have more in common with the Middle East and Central Asia than with Europe.

Although Russia in foreign policy terms considers itself a European great power, but the Russians don't consider themselves European. They call their civilisation Русский мир which isn't in Europe or Asia, but on its own

Yeah, same to estonia

But there are also parts of our society and culture that are much more Eastern European compared to for example the other Nordic countries. I personally call us a Nordic-Eastern European. Which makes many Finns very angry

Ive never considered Finland as eastern european. Interesting result.

Finland isn't nordic

@@idontspeaklondon9574 Finland is a Nordic country. But they are not traditionally considered to Scandinavian.

Exactly. The creators of this video treated the big grey area on the right hand side of the map as Asia, even though that big part is the real Eastern Europe. Also, not sure how European Turkey is really (as most of the county falls on Asia)

@@nitosalt3142Turkey is a special case in my opinion, having ties to so many areas the country borders to making it also not easier by having the biggest City, Istanbul, in Europe. As in a geographical and political sense it is definitly "eastern europe" and Russia shouldve been included because the population is europe centered than rather asian, same like Turkey. Both countries are special in this topic, so there is no simple solution

@@Kereka Only 20% of Turkey's population lives in the European part of the country. That is, most of the Turks live in Asia. In Russia, 74% of the population lives in the European part of the country.

Actually, Istanbul is more populous than Moscow.

@@christophergeographyadmini1194 it's not

If we use 16 points if the compass and add ‘inner’ and ‘outer’ we can almost put every country in its own group: Ireland is in Outer West North West Europe, for example, and Serbia is Inner South East. Problem solved!

@@CartoTypeThose are rather unruly group names though. How about we give those groups names that are easier to remember? i.e. instead of saying "Inner South East", we say "Serbia" and instead of "Outer West North West Europe", we refer to that group as "Ireland". Why has no one come up with that idea before?!?

And Southwestern. Spain and Portugal are southwestern Europe. Spain and Greece are quite different

This is an Angloid geography lesson. First step, talk about drawing a line in Europe, and then suspiciously exclude the largest country in the continent, Russia, to make a sensible choice. Second step, suddenly add a few Middle Eastern countries to the map for no reason. That's how geography works, of course. Third step, ignore historical regions and oversimplify the map. Since they extended "Europe" all the way to eastern Turkey here, I was hoping they would add Syria, Iran, and Iraq to the map too, but I guess they missed out on that opportunity. Next time I guess.

Atleast they did not put Australia and Isreael like the eurovision contest did😂

I've grown up to think of Cyprus as European, but many on the internet seem to think it's in Asia.

@@xaverlustig3581 Most Cypriots _are_ ethnically Greek, with a minority Turkish population (while Turkey has some land in Europe, it is still debated whether or not they should be considered European or Middle Eastern, not just externally, but also internally), so you could definitely say the people were European, but in terms of geography, they are undeniably in Asia. Cyprus is literally part of the Levant, along with nations like Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel.

Agree

Im Ukrainian and I can tell you that even my country we can split into two. Central European vs Eastern European using the old borders of Austria-Hungary. Culturally the two are different, despite sharing language and religion.

@@yuriydee but would you put Germany more with Poland/czechia/slovakia/Hungery of with France/Belgium/Netherlands/England ?

@@tayloryoung9803 No I would put Germany more with Western Europe. That said I cant really speak for Germans maybe they would divide their country too based on old iron curtain borders. But I have visited Dresden, Hamburg, and Munich and all felt very German and Western to me in general. Ive driven thru Czechia and their little towns and villages are almost identical to what we have in Western Ukraine, except they have much better quality roads.

@@yuriydee and western Ukraine which has links with Poland and the Asutrian EMpire of course looks more similar to czech rep than villages near kharkiv. Same could be said with Alsace and Britanny for france. No good answer exists but Central Europe vs West Europe seems also odd enough

@@yuriydee Yeah, same in Romania with Transylvania and parts of Moldova having been a part of Hungary or Austria-Hungary for a very long time, we don't even know how to lable ourselves. We have a lot in common with Central European countries, Balkanic countries, Eastern European countries and even Southern European countries, believe it or not (we even had Greek colonies, and our language is Romance/Latin). I personally always say that Romania is in Southeastern Europe, but even that's debatable, some say it's in Central Europe, but that's a bit of a stretch.

You were told right. Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia = Central Europe. All these places were part of the Holy Roman Empire (Germany + Italy, basically) for a thousand years. 50 years of communism can't undo that.

@@leblubblab Then so is Romania if we use that ideology, we wee under Roman empire as well. Our language is based on Latin.

It's Eastern

@@ramondamian5067 Sorry, but when exactly was Romania part of the Holy Roman Empire? Sure, you speak a Latin language, but I'm not sure that's a criterion.

@@leblubblab The proof is in the pudding, "romania". M8, we (Dacians) were conquered by the roman empire and became daco-romans. It's not that hard.

Yup

@@russia2328 he...helow.

@@pawog04youtube3 Hey there

Parts of Turkey are also geographically in Europe. It doesn't mean much, though. Russia is not and never has been a European country in terms of mentality and values. It has more in common with central Asian satrapies.

@@PasserMontanus what is European mentality and values

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well those idiots think they the whole of europe probably.

Yes! East of Europe is something totally different that East of EU.

@@mikulashrubisko3325 for that guy, Europe was France. French people live in a parallel universe

@@tchugra I mean their refusal of learning any other language very much is self inflicted isolationism

True

omitting central europe seems really strange to me. In my opinion there are a lot of countries that are not clearly west or east, Poland, Austria, Germany, Slovakia, ...

@@steinerdrei And Croatia.

Only Germany could be truly considered “Central” in my opinion.

@@ColorPandora Why is that ? Doesnt make sense.

eastern part of Slovakia and Hungary are actually central Europe, look at the geographical map of European continent , parts of Kazakhstan is in Europe and also 1/4 of the Russian Federation is in Europe

@@stefanbog2495 Middle Europe basically was used to describe the Hapsburg Lands of the Austrian/Hungarian empire. So all the countries within the old borders would qualify. So even Lwiw/Lemberg qualifies as Middle Europe. The division betwen East and West was made, when the Roman Empire was split into East/Oriental and West/Occidental Empires. Here the line would be between Latin christian and Orthodox christian countries.

@@borisbrosowski6630 it is all in technicalities and depends on which "map" are we looking at, i was referring to Geographical location of countries not man made borders or splits between east and west

Slovenia,kroaratia and Bosnia is Balkan

@@stefanbog2495 Geographically speaking Lithuania is central Europe

Isn't it the point tho? To see people's bias/opinion regarding western/eastern division?

That's a correct way to look at it geographically, but in socio-economic terms there is usually only west-east.

Next video is a north/south divide. Some countries are easy, but where do you put Austria? Is it north or south.

@@Pindasaus North. It's cold.

@@_blank-_ You do know that most of Austria's surface area is in fact occupied not by the Alps but by the Danube Valley, which has a climate comparable to northern Italy, right?

Zuid nederland heeft zijn problemen ja

I don't know where you were living in the past one year, but would put the NL to the failed democracies, as well. And I am not too happy about it...

@@adongo577 Honestly, there are no more 'proper democracies". All got crooked recently. Its just probably that the author of the ranking they used had some bias towards some aspects of democracy and not the others.

Record setting 541days w/o gouvernment cannot be called flawless.

Speaking of flawed democracies, didn't the Dutch *literally cannibalize their prime minister* that one time 🤔

it's almost like they have a bias

Yes I find that too. It must be Anglo Saxon hostility to Russia

since most people see "eastern europe" as "alligned with russia" what would be the point? :D and that is also why a lot of people in the east hate this east/west thing

@@kristijangrgic9841 Bitch I'm from the UK and I'm pissed that they included Turkey but not Russia.

Russia has always been it's own thing. Not European, not Asian. Even though they oppressed many countries on both sides.

Also from an austrian point of view most younger austrians (those that have no memory of the iron curtain) would put slovenia, czechia and maybe even croatia into the western half due to historical reasons (history that happened before 1914 and after 1991) Especially since 2007, when the clearly eastern countries of romania and bulgaria joined the EU many countries at austria's eastern border moved further "west" in our understanding. On the other side many conservative austrians also have problems associating with "the west", especially france, britian or even germany (the favour Visegrád, italy and switzerland), this is mostly because of political or (in case of italy) religious reasons.

Of course you would. That is maybe the way in the Eastern European countries. They avoid talking about Eastern and prefer to divide Europe into central, north and south. I get it. It's a matter of prestige as said in the video. In the West we still tend to divide Europe in classic terms taking into account history, economics, democracy and personal freedoms, West and East that is.

Yeah for good reason because for example Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Czechia and Hungary were always dealing on their own between eachother, and if you looknat history(HRE, Austrian Empire, Austria-Hungarx etc.) Culture and so on...

Poland,Czechia,Slovakia,Hungary and Croatia.

@@panzerbanz7296 exactly

I think the answer is just that people are always closest to their neighbors. As a German who grew up in the south west and now lives in Bavaria, I felt very close to France for most of my life, but now feel closer to Czechia. When I hop over the border, the food in Czechia is very similar to the one in Bavaria. Historically, there'S also huge connections of course. So, since you're from eastern austria it makes perfect sense. Certainly though a person from Linz wouldn't say that bavarian food is completely different. I think this is probably the flaw of any such divisions, now. Cause ultimately we all feel probably closest to our neighbors (unless we have proper reason to hate them). So, if the line happens to be drawn right east to your country, it would seem odd. Cause I don't know about Austria and Germany, but certainly Austria and Spain feel much further apart than Austria and Slovakia. And as a German, as much as I've never had any issues with any Irish people, Czechia or Poland are just much closer. Whether I as a German feel more connected to our western or eastern neighbors depends entirely on where I live.

Yeah Austria very much has a Central european identity like Czechia

I think that that was a lot of their point. They did this to show the arbitrary and inconsistent nature of the line.

i consider the v4 as eastern european. those nations are much more culturally similar to the former ussr nations, and the east-west divide is basically "looks russian-doesn't look russian"

@@Ray_Vun But when you compare Russia with Czechia, for example (or any other V4 country for that matter) there are big differences in Culture, Wealth and History (except the last century)

@@TheTrueYes that's not what caused the western world to make the division. it's purely a xenophobic thing. they look and sound russian enough to be mistaken as russian, so they get shoved in the mix. eastern european is basically synonym with russian looking

@@Ray_Vun You have a point there. But because of the lack of knowledge abaut the history and culture of these countries they are always called eastern even when they are in many aspects more western. In addition this term is often used as an insult.

+++, it is really strange to see a Turkey instead of Russia

Thing is, historically Russia has always been othered when it comes to Europe. Essentially the European Powers (France, Austro-Hungaria, Whatever the fuck Germany was calling itself that day, Britain, etc), for centuries, never really wanted to see Russia as one of them. So Russia in the mind of everyone from that region is not "European" despite geography having something else to say on the matter. So I am not too surprised that it's not on the survey - to this day Russia is some eastern invader or enemy that threatens Europe, just as it has always been portrayed for generations. The inclusion of Turkey is even more baffling too, I'll admit, since it very much shares the same perceptions in the minds of Europeans, so it's odd that it was included in this one.

For him Turkey is Europan country, but Russia not...

@@JenxRodwell The Survey was made by a Brit... That plays a large role in this. Someone from Eastern, Central, Southern or Northern Europe might have a more nuanced view then people like him from Western Europe... Remember that Britain was a naval power. Byzantine, the Ottomans and Turkey all had more of a role at sea then Russia did and had more interaction with Britain.

You answered your question yourself - the reason is the political separation of Russian politics and the specific us vs them rhetoric. Also it is obviously eastern, not like it would have been a surprise to anyone. But Turkey does not seem like it belongs in the poll either tbh.

The centre of Europe is around Minsk/Kiev so Yes....Poland is in Western Europe :)

​@franohmsford7548 The centre of Europe is in Poland/Slovakia/Hungary. I would say that Poland is central but definitely not western.

​@@franohmsford7548If we go by your logic then the only country in eastern Europe would be Russia..

@@mis_Kacerz You forget Georgia :)

@@mis_Kacerz No, the centre of Europe is in Ukraine and Belarus - Europe ends at the Ural Mountains.

YES

Not Europe would likely end up lumping countries on the fringe of Europe but whose governments maintain anti-European foreign and national policies (ex. Turkey, Russia and Belarus)

It would be, but those aren't mutually exclusive either

It's not statistics, it's manipulation: 1. In this video, the map of Europe ends in Belarus and Ukraine, where in reality the border is at the Ural Mountains in Russia. There is also a part of Kazakhstan in Europe, while geographically Turkey is not in Europe. The map prepared in this way incorrectly shows the location of the countries of Central Europe. 2. I don't understand the LGBT question. What does this have to do with Western culture? The culture of the West is Latin civilization, including the same spelling and religion (Latin alphabet, Catholicism), while the East is Byzantine civilization (Orthodox, Greek and Cyrillic), but this film does not even pay attention to it. My country has over 1,000 years of history in which it has always belonged to the culture of the West. The exception is the times after World War II, when he was betrayed by the Western allies in Yalta and got into the so-called Eastern Bloc. These 40 years of communism were enough to be identified with the East today (1000 years vs 44 years). People in Europe still live in stereotypes and have very little knowledge of history, geography and geopolitics. They base all their knowledge on subjective films and propaganda information. In Poland, the nobility's democracy existed already in the 15th century. Currently, we have general elections every 4 years, people have much more freedom of speech than, for example, in Sweden, where comments on internet forums are censored or even blocked. Despite this, in this movie democracy in Poland is assessed at an average level. Why? Mayby… Is democracy when the government does only what Brussels or Berlin wants? Hypocrisy and propaganda like in the Soviet Union.

​@@mb9736the democracy index is an external, non-eu measurement 😌

Since the Angloid map-maker pushed subtle propaganda, and excluded Russia on this video on purpose, and for no reason at all, Central Europe doesn't exist anymore. Its just Eastern Europe now.

Baltics are Northern.

by that categorization you'd have to include romania in central europe which doesnt make much sense due to geography

Funny enough an eastern country as Romania, uses Latin Alphabet also the language itself resembles a lot to Italian and Spanish.

@@ramondamian5067 Cause Romanian is a Romance language just like Spanish, Portuguese, French and Italian.

Lots of Factors, it is Mediterranean European like South Italy & Spain…it is the foundation of European History, and it has even given the name Europe to the continent itself! Also been in the EU for a while, Nato Country, and also is Politically Western. Never fell under communism, is not Slavic etc

True, Turkey isn't more european than Georgia, Armenia and Azerbeijan, which he didn't mention

I've found this channel to be educational some times but deeply biased against Russia. It's weird to see "intelectual level" sources like this acting so petty.

I totally agree with you

I’ve worked with many Russians and honestly, outside of sport & the EuroVision (which you’ll find the likes of Isreal, Turkey and the former soviet republics in etc.) not of them considered themselves European, not even a little bit. This surprised me given the the cultural & historical links but that was their opinion, which they assured me was common. The survey is flawed & reductive but it is interesting for perceptions, not least the difference between how residents and neighbours see themselves and each other.

Yep, agree so much with you

I know how in the world can TURKEY be on here but not Russia

geographically Russia is part of Asia, but politically part of Europe

@@buhaysaudiOfficial you should learn geography, russia is 25% europe and population is 75% in that european part and history of europe can not be talked with out russia

@@buhaysaudiOfficial Russia has a sizeable chunk in Europe

@@buhaysaudiOfficial geographically russia is part of Europe and asia its transcontinental country but culturally they're Europeans

Both shouldn't be part of Europe!

I don't see how Russia would be a factor in any way. The vast majority of people would consider Russia the epitome of eastern Europe geographically, economically, socially and politically.

@@luiseduardogonzalezquiroz272 it whould make every nation exept russia seem more western geographycally so thats how it whould influence East west divide

its called subtle propaganda.

Yeah, I have no idea why Russia wasn't included, it somewhat detracts from the value of the poll as a result.

@@luiseduardogonzalezquiroz272 cold war lol, the east west divide clearly follows the iron curtain, even in how finland and greece landing on the west side despite their geography because they avoided becoming communist during WW2

I would quess that Russia would have been only country getting 100% east if it was included

@@samuelsilver8077 When I was voting I chose that I'm from Europe. Then They asked from which European country I am. Russia wasn't on the list so I guess it's not about that

@@samuelsilver8077 Yes but Turkey isn't even European except for the tiny bit of land West of the straight.

@@olsenfernandes3634 Majority of Russia isnt in Europe either... Majority of Russian population is though.

@@samuelsilver8077 Exactly, plus Russia is far more involved with Europe then Turkey. Other then Byzantium, Turkey was never close to Western.

"slovakia, hungary, slovenia and croatia" as central?

@@Luredreier I think so If you look at a map of all of geographical europe.Perhaps without croatia but the others fit.

@@Aestholus It is actually just my perception but I think Poland is Eastern Europe, Croatia is more suitable to be Balkans. Hungary is East. Germany is West. Slovenia is in the hole of nowhere(just kidding =) ) The above is just a personal perception, based on history and my understanding of the countries. And a bit of sarcasm

@M G Google Balkan Peninsula - it will tell you Croatia is 46% in it. Balkan isn't just a mountain, or mountain area in Bulgaria. So yes, please do check the maps. Thanks!

Yeah, this is weird. This channel is about Europe and keep including Turkey in everything and painting Russia as evil. But if you look on the streets, yeah, maybe Europe is in Turkey.

Because if you put Russia and the caucazian countries on the map, every other european country is in the west.

If their only debate is owning a tiny bit of Balkan area then there really is no debate. It's like France deciding to call itself South American". Wth is EU thinking by letting Turkey apply into the EU?

Yeah, thats dumb. If a country has bits of territory in europe it is a shame they didnt include russia and the caucasus, and cyprus isnt europe. I guess its due to germany inviting more turks. After all you behave nicely to people you want to do business with.

@@olsenfernandes3634 A tiny bit also known as the city of the world's desire, and a tiny bit that has more population than that of Greece

because this channel is from united kingdom, and russia and uk have historical rivalry.

@@saccount-z3 I'm from the UK and even I am pissed off by this bullshit. It's more about this specific channel then what the West thinks about Russia because we do think that Russia is definitely more then qualified to be a European country.

@@olsenfernandes3634 *His last name is "Fernández* "But I am from the UK" 🤣🤣🤣 Sure thing, pal 🤣🤣🤣

@@XavierbTM1221 you know there is a thing called "immigration" and "moving abroad", right?

@@thodorispapa9864 Thank you

Author is Muslim and Turk himself

@@krakendragonslayer1909 neither of these are considered European though. Which is quite ironic.

@@TheZett Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist Chinazi IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO Project before it's too late

Just like Mordor was part of Middle Earth Russia is part of Europe. It is evil and "east" ofc.

@@pekkanumminen81 Despite Mordor was based on early iron age lands of nowadays Poland (then inhabited by Veneti and by Celths).

It's the affect of recent history and the Iron curtain. Shrugging of the V4 countries plus Slovenia and Croatia (started as Catholic aka culturally western kingdoms) when all are older than half of the ones voted here as western is laughable. Part of it is also that most of the patrons of the channel who voted are "westerners" as well. Pay it no mind, it's ignorance with which we have to live with for the foreseeable future. A lot of disaster tourists come here and are surprised that these countries aren't the shit holes they thought they would be, but they are still a fraction of the people who vote on these polls.

Similarly up here in Finland... it definitely in a way hurt to hear there's such doubt about where we stand in the world.

The Western-eastern divide makes ALL the sense in the world for the Nordic Countries. We are all 100% Western Countries. Putting the Nordic Countries in the same bag as Russia would be the worst insult ever... the only thing in common would be the booze ;) The Nordic countries as Northern Europe without Russia totally fine :) As a swede I might consider Estonia someday in the future (perhaps) as a Northern Country, but there are major differences I think. Finish people might see this slightly different though (the Estonia part).

@@jo1918 As a Finn, I'd agree that Estonians are in an awkward gap between the two, like a teen between childhood and adulthood. However my gut instinct is that we're probably being a bit harsh on them based on memories from 5,10,20 years ago.

what is the real eastern europe here ? and what the real west . If you choose this path the real west is North France/England/Benelux and Real East: European Russia . Of course on this gradient it only is obvious czechs lay somewhere in between but let assure you that if you are from lets say wallonia and go to Czech rep it will feel more different than for a person from Kiev going to Czech rep too (culturally especially). Ties do exist but its crazy Central Europe has such a strong drain while it makes no sense to add if you keep east west around. Why ? Because even in "central europe" Germany is still closer to Benelux and even france than to Slovakia or Hungary. Moreover East-West makes sense because you get roughly two blocks of equal pop. Within East and West divisions still exist and it will always be very imperfect ( Lithuania/albania or Portufgal/finland are some extremes). But the more you cut the more you need to make a case for each division and quickly you realize it doesn't hold

in this case Russia will be an ultimate "East Europe" with all patemeters (may be except religion) mentioned in the video cranked up to extreme :)

There are also a few more arguably European countries east of the Black Sea (Georgia, parts of Armenia and Azerbaijan).

That's interesting about Spain and tbh Spain is both South and West. I can certainly see Catalans identifying more with Western Europe - 'more like France than the rest of Spain.'

Well Greece sits at southernmost part of Balkan peninsula which is South Eastern Europe. So Greece if we decide to go binary is unequivocally Eastern Europe both due geography and its history and culture up to Cold War. Noone would count European Turkey as Western Europe. Its cos ppl see the term as political with only late 20th century connotations and not as actual geographical term you've got problem with it. Is it problematic to count Cambodia as part of southeastern Asia just like Singapore or Thailand? No? Then Greece as part of( South) Eastern Europe shouldn't raise anyones eyebrow either.

France also sits on the equator, which is why the JWST was launched (last saturday) from that piece of France.

@@rehurekj Culturally, historically, geographically and socially it has more in common with other Mediterranean/Southern countries (Italy, Spain, Cyprus) than with the Balkan (majority Slavic population) and the east continental Europe.

@Vasili YT hardly. If you wanna divide Europe to 2more or rather less cohesive but somewhat logical blocks by combining our intertwined national histories, cultures, geographies, ethnicities etc and not just postww2 US foreign politics then Greece deffo falls firmly into the east one- the orthodox/ muslim ottoman/ russian one rather than catholic/ protestant germano/ romance block like Italy. That's the only binary division of Europe that generally makes sense taking into account more than economy and welfare/ tax policies and changing and no longer so distinct social attitides regarding religion( like the north south division) and the border runs thru Polish- lithuanian commonwealth and along turkish- hungarian later austrian frontier thus approximately along today's Schengen border. Culturally and historically even ancient Mediterranean and later roman world was divided that way- latin( and punic and celtic) west and greek( and persian and later turkish and slavic) east and we are still divided along more or less the same lines 2thousand years later.

Greek is orthodox christian. Orthodox Christiantiy is since 1000 years back affiliated with eastern europe.

What about Armenia?

@@davidfalconer2879 it’s below the Caucasian mountains. Even tho, culturally it’s closer to Europe.

I agree. Most of Russia's population is in Europe. The most recognised eastern border between Europe and Asia (the Ural Mountains and Ural River) is within Russia and Kazakhstan. The South Eastern border runs along the Caucasus Mountains. If Turkey is to be considered part of Europe, with only a small fraction of the country in Europe (only the part of the Marmara Region north/west of the Turkish Straits), then Russia, Kazakhstan, Georgia and Azerbaijan should also be considered part of Europe. Those 5 nations are in *both* Europe and Asia.

That's the real Europe to me. I also think Turkey is borderline europe

Showing people map without including mentioned countries could provide slightly different results than with more typical Europe borders at Ural and Caucasus.

I would say all these are Eastern, thanks.

​@@MrTekeshiFinland 🇫🇮 is a Nordic and western country with Sweden 🇸🇪 Norway 🇸🇯 Denmark 🇩🇰 and Iceland 🇮🇸 politically, culturally, economically, religiously and geographically. They are all members of the Nordic council and are prosperous countries with a high standard of living. None of these countries were never parts of the Soviet union. Never under communism and never eastern bloc countries. The Baltic countries are Estonia 🇪🇪, Latvia 🇱🇻 and Lithuania 🇱🇹. They were under communism and economically far behind western and Nordic countries.

@@butterflies655 Being in eastern bloc (always by force) defines country as eastern?

CS:GO as a criteria to choose your side :D

They suck at CS:GO.

@@Milosevica. which is exactly what makes us Western. We play enough to be considered Eastern, but we have a functioning economy so we have jobs as well, can’t just sit indoors all day ignoring paternal alcoholism and iron deficiency.

Well said

Also es ist schon eine Beleidigung, irgendwas Deutsches mit sowas wie Polen oder Tschechien oder irgend etwas anderem slawischen irgendwo in Osteuropa in Verbindung zu bringen.

@@g.f.w.6402 Ach schlimmer als mit den Inselaffen und Franzacken in einen Hut gesteckt zu werden ist es auch nicht.

@@timokohler6631 ich finde es schon beleidigend und obszön mit Osteuropäern in irgendeine Art Beziehung gesetzt zu werden. Und die Mehrheit der Deutschen auch. Neueste Statistiken zeigen, dass Polen und Tschechien die unbeliebtesten Nachbarländer mit dem mit Abstand geringsten Ansehen sind.

@@g.f.w.6402 durchschnittlicher 1938 Kommentar🗿👍🏼

Last time I checked, Turkey was never a part of Europe.

@@olsenfernandes3634 Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist Chinazi IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO Project before it's too late

@@matpk Sorry, I don't make videos.

The only iron curtain I know was a thing to build in command and conquer lmao

The east-west divide isn't about geopgraphy in most circumstances.

Nobody outside cartographers convention thinks geography when talking about west/east Europe, so that's a weird thing to love.

@@Kuolonen So when it comes to dividing countries into West and East in America, Asia, Africa we use geography. But in case of Europe we would not use this method? Why? Dividing it through other factors would not be usable. Cold war ended 30 years ago. Politically these countries are in totally different state now, also culturally (customs, food etc.), religion-wise, types of letters... they differ even from each orher vastly. If you think they are very similar to each other in these aspects you must be very uninformed about this region of Europe.

Exaclly, it's bother me for whole video while they exclude 20%-25% land from Europe

Exactly!

and about 90% of Russia's population

Because he is stupid enough not knowing that

Armenia, Georgia and Azeriland are also part of Europa 🤗

@@XavierbTM1221 no they arent they are wholly asian why? because the caucus mountain range is Europes Border 1 is muslim and these people dont share heritage with Europeans apart from Armenians linguistically

We have most in common with the Baltics and Ukraine than we do with Germany. It depends what region you are from.

Stop insulting Germany

@@personalbranddataGermany insults itself every day with its unnaturally prolonged existence after 1945. Nowadays its just another station for the Americans